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PS 8 principal: What — the F?

The Brooklyn Paper

The principal of Brooklyn Heights’ popular PS 8 spent the week calming parents’ nerves that the elementary school had slipped backwards now that the city handed the school an F in its annual report cards.

“PS 8 is not a failing school, far from it,” Principal Seth Phillips wrote in a letter to parents last Friday, three days before the city confirmed the failing grade.

“The hard work of our teachers, students and families make PS 8 an excellent example of how a school can spark the imagination of a child while providing a solid, well-rounded education, which goes beyond report cards and standardized testing,” Phillips said.

The new report card system, unveiled last fall, grades a school based on its students’ performance and progress on tests year to year, and from one year to the next. So if a student received a 100 on the test last year but a 98 on the test this year, the school’s performance grade could suffer.

“Two years ago, we had five students who scored perfect scores in third grade. Unless those five students scored a perfect score last year, they were not considered achieving a year’s growth,” Phillips explained in his letter.

The progress grade measures each school’s “improvement” from year to year as compared comparable schools elsewhere in the city. The Education Department has not released a list of schools that get compared to each other, much to the frustration of parents and educators alike.

“The formula for establishing peer groups is so confusing that I can honestly make no sense of it,” Phillips said. Last year, Phillips said he evaluated schools to create his own “peer group,” but could only find six “truly similar” schools comparable in size, ethnic and demographic makeup, English-as-a-second-language programs, and special education. The city says there are 40 similar schools.

The system also grades schools on its environment, including student attendance and the results of annual parent, teacher, and student surveys about schools’ learning environments, the city said.

Frustrated parents were buzzing about the news all week at the Hicks Street school.

“[The grade] upsets me because it’s a wonderful school, and my children are getting exactly what they — and I — want and need,” said parent Lisa Kopell, who has two children at PS 8. “They’re happy and they’re in a loving environment. I won’t let this news bother me at all.”

Parent Todd Glass, who has a son in first grade, said parents he’s spoken to are aghast.

“The people who come here everyday know that it’s not a failing school and that, if anything, this is a model for how to turn around a failing school,” Glass said. “The really unfortunate thing about this is the distraction it can cause [to the school’s daily functions].”

Celia Caro said the grades send the wrong message to kids, including her 6-year-old daughter, Colette.

“I think that the way the Department of Education gives grades is questionable,” Caro said. “What kind of message is that to give children? If you don’t keep getting higher grades, you will fail? That’s such a discouraging message.”

A Department of Education spokesman said the agency stands behind its grades, despite the irony of an appearance by Chancellor Joel Klein at the school in July, when he praised PS 8 as a “success.”

Not anymore, apparently.

“The school is sought after by many parents, but its scores also indicate that the community has significant concerns about its learning environment,” Education spokesman David Cantor said in a statement. “The basic responsibility of a school is to enable its students to master standards and improve on their performance. Although some students performed well, PS 8 largely failed at these tasks last year.”

At the other end of the spectrum, a school in Clinton Hill, PS 270, rose from an F grade last year to an A this year, and placed sixth overall in the city’s school ranking. Education officials cited big reading and math gains among the lowest-performers.

Reader Feedback

Lisa from Brooklyn Heights says:
PS 8 is beginning to fail again because the principal, Seth Phillips, needs help. He didn't turn the school around by himself. If you do a little research on the history you will see. The mistake is Seth thinks he can do it on his own and that he did it. He felt that he could sit back and relax because the neighborhood moved it. What this shows is that if there
isn't great leadership and instruction being done; any child will fail. It
doesn't matter what color they are; How much money they have; or what neighborhood it is. If these little minds are not fed, they will not grow. The students that are going backwards are those students who were 4's and are now 3's. Some people are in denial. Maybe this article
will make them see the light. About the DOE admits it's doing something wrong. Parents don't always know the full truth. Now they don't want to hear it.
Sept. 13, 2008, 8:36 pm
Fran from Brooklyn Heights says:
This is just shocking. we thought PS8 was doing great and actually it is one of the worst performing schools in the city. It got an F. Most parents are in complete denial. Hopefully in the coming days they will accept the results and press for changes. there is nowhere to go but up. We need a new, no-nonsense principal that will get the job done right. My guess is that the PTA and the BHA will be the greatest obstacles to progress because they will want to hold on to the notion that they were right and everyone else is wrong. The rational parents will need to stand up to the BHA and the PTA and demand changes. The kids must be taught better. An F is a wake up call -and a loud one.
Sept. 13, 2008, 10:04 pm
Sara from Brooklyn Heights says:
As an educator who is responsible for interpreting data from reports such as the school report card, I'd caution people against rushing to judgement that PS 8 is "one of the worst performing schools". Without getting into details, one of the factors in the F grade has to do with the rapidly changing demographics of PS 8, which actually work against it in the report card. The NY Times article actually referenced this fact. Also, the validity of the "growth" model (the way tests from one grade to the other are measured against each other) are very suspect. The blogger eduwonkette on the edweek website has a very good piece about this today. As a DOE insider, I have to say that these metrics have been producing some really wacky grades -- schools I would NEVER EVER send my child to getting A's and schools that are successful receiving C's D's and even F's. Read PS 8's quality reviews on their DOE website for two years worth of narrative evaluation by ed experts that is very positive. That's not to say that PS 8 can't learn from the report and improve on some things, but I trust that Seth Phillips is smart enough to dig into the data and take something useful from it. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater though.
Sept. 15, 2008, 12:44 pm
Ed Harris from Brooklyn Hts. says:
One of the things that the Bloomberg administration and the Federal govt almost always state is DEFINITELY their intention is "transparency."

For the principal of PS 8 to say that he honestly doesn't understand the mechanics of "comparable schools," the universally acknowledged cause of the unfortunate letter grade PS 8 is about to receive suggests one of 2 scary things -

A) the principal is either dissembling or is in need of some education/guidance, because rule #1 for people who are accountable is to know and understand what's expected of them; or

B) the grading methodology is somewhere between incomprehensible and undefined, so that it more nearly resembles a lottery than something useful to the citizens of New York City and the professionals who are charged with seeing that their tax dollars are well spent.

I, for one, think that it's borderline irresponsible for there to be a meeting tonight in the absence of clarity on this issue, and I find myself leaning toward the hypothesis that Mr. Phillips is "blaming the messenger."

Obviously, while there may be some angry people in attendance who assume that F means F and would like to ride Mr. Phillips out on a rail, I'd bet dollars to donuts that most people will turn this meeting into a DOE-bashing pep rally for P.S. 8, because they simply have too much riding - in every sense - on the grade being wrong and the school being as good as its P.R. until recently.

Remember, there's nothing wrong - in fact, there's everything RIGHT - about evaluating the performance of individual schools. But it's even more important that the system have "integrity" and validity. If English or Math students were graded on how white their teeth were, everybody would be better off with no grades at all.

Having said that, DOE owes it to the good citizens of our part of Brooklyn to identify which schools were deemed "comparable" to P.S. 8 AND WHY! Heaven knows that the parent body of P.S. 8 has more than enough savvy to subject that (if it's supplied) to the scrutiny it deserves. As I say, maybe that would lead to a conclusion that the glowing reports about progress at P.S. 8 issued not that long ago were spot on. And maybe, on the other hand, it would dispel undue smugness.

Sadly, almost the only thing that's certain is that EVEN MORE time and energy will go into prepping 3rd graders for a single test 6 or 7 months in the future than was done during the last academic year. It would be great if schools could opt out of this idiotic process if enough parents felt that that was in the best interest of THEIR children.
Sept. 15, 2008, 4:49 pm
Amaru Lewis from Farrgut says:
I must say i disagree with the grade PS8 was given and your reports.I am a six grader who Graduatedand may i say got best of brooklyn award.My time at PS8 was great all teachers there make learning fun both my brothers and both my sisters agree with me they to were student who Graduated and are very secessful they are allin collage now.PS8 Taught me so well i got accepted to all the schools i applied for one i didn't even go to the interveiw for. Sorry to say but who ever graded PS8 must be the Stupidest person ever.
Sept. 29, 2008, 1:11 pm

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