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Hipsters vs. Old-timers battle flares up again

for The Brooklyn Paper

Dozens of hipsters — and the old-timers who resent them — stormed a community meeting on Monday night, showing the ongoing clash of cultures that collided when people flooded the streets after Barack Obama’s election win on Nov. 4.

Three people were arrested during the celebration — and many more were roughed up, according to witnesses — and on Monday night, dozens of people who had danced in the streets had a chance to vent their frustrations at the officers of the 94th Precinct.

One after another, youngsters stood up and alleged mistreatment at the hands of the police on the night of Nov. 4-5, after Barack Obama was declared the winner of the presidential election shortly after 11 pm.

At that time, hundreds of people, mostly young, poured into the streets of Greenpoint, shouting and celebrating. At 3 am, after several noise complaints, police dispersed the large, unauthorized crowd, sometimes roughly, speakers said.

“I was filming the event,” said one person, who identified himself as a video producer, “and an officer with a handlebar moustache threw my camera to the ground and smashed it.”

Another person claimed he experienced mistreatment despite not even being at the celebration.

“I was walking in the street with my friends at 11 pm,” said the man. “A female officer stopped us and accused us of having an open container [of alcohol].”

He that this was not the case, but the officer remained abusive.

“She refused to believe us, and told us that we could file a complaint, but it wouldn’t matter because it would be an officer’s word against the word of a civilian, and she had a ‘perfect record.”

Each anti-cop comment at the meeting of the 94th Precinct Community Council was met with increasing vociferousness from old-time residents. At times, Precinct Captain Dennis Fulton appeared to lose control of the crowd, and one of the meeting’s co-chairs tried to use a soda can as a gavel to restore calm.

In the end, the three dozen younger residents heard a mouthful from older residents, who complained just as vocally that three cops were injured in the election night celebration and that the streets are not the proper place for a celebration in the first place.

The undercurrent, of course, is that many longtime residents feel just as angry as the youngsters about what is happening in a neighborhood that has seen rapid change and gentrification over the last 15 years.

“The police reacted with too much restraint,” said an oldster.

Another elderly man directly addressed the younger crowd.

“You people think you can just break the law and create anarchy,” he said, drawing boos and cries of exasperation from the hipsters.

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tomitillo from Brooklyn USA says:
HIPSTERS you gotta love em. Arrogant,self absorbed, spoiled brats from Iowa have invaded Bklyn and are here to stay. Oh and they are anarchist/vegans too.
Nov. 19, 2008, 3 am
KI from Bedsty says:
Hipsters Suck!
Nov. 19, 2008, 10:51 am
d.wayne from 11222 says:
Evan,
Can I please point out the fact that the 3 arrests were of people between 30 and 40 yrs of age. That hardly counts as 'young'... and, is even probably a bit too old to count as 'hipsters'. And, Evan, why would a journalist use the term 'hipsters' to begin with? It truly just makes you look like you're following the rest of the pack and using a lame buzzword. Maybe you should look into the situation a bit more? At this point you're just creating more grief for the people involved in the incidents; making matters worse. Pushing the generation gap issue to the forefront is not the solution. We should be trying to make things better for the whole neighborhood by getting the older, neighborhood lifers, to see things from a broader point of view that might be more understanding to the fact that a few officers that night acted beyond what was necessary. The whole police force was not at fault, only a few hot headed individuals. The matter needs to be looked into... and some people are trying to make that happen. This applies to you, to me and to all of the rest of the 40,000 extra residents that are supposed to be moving into 11211 & 11222 over the next handful of years. It's called civil liberties. Look into it.

D.Wayne
Nov. 19, 2008, 11:23 am
zzzz from 11222 says:
Very insightful reporting. Maybe you could get a job at the ny times writing more articles about hipsters vs. old people.
Or perhaps you could actually report instead of parroting tired cliches.
Nov. 19, 2008, 1:11 pm
hale from 11211 says:
Dear Evan,

Why do you insist on fueling the fire? I was at that meeting and, while there were different opinions on the issues generally along generational lines, I wouldn't describe it as an "ongoing clash of cultures." I think that description is a bit dramatic. Also, your characterization of the attendance of the younger people at the meeting as them having "stormed a community meeting" is totally a misrepresentation of the facts as well. There was no storming and, in fact, the meeting was generally very civil. The only outbursts came from the older residents. And I take issue of your use of the word "youngsters." How old do you figure these "youngsters" are? Where do you get your information? How old are you? I'm 33. That's not really the age of a youngster, is it? Maybe, rather than fomenting "anti-hipster" attitude, you might try to bring people together and attend a community meeting yourself, If you have, good for you, but then stop writing this drivel. To add to the list of your misrepresentations, you said that "each anti-cop comment" was met with vociferousness. But, again, I wouldn't characterize the criticisms of the police conduct as anti-cop. Try doing some real reporting rather than attempting driving a stake between "hipsters" and everyone else.
Nov. 19, 2008, 1:44 pm
Zdeno from Inwood says:
Hipsters have got to go. Good for the real New Yorkers that stood up for our values.
Nov. 19, 2008, 5:59 pm
hale from 11211 says:
@Zdeno who exactly are you talking about? Can you please define "hipsters"? Thanks.
Nov. 19, 2008, 8:30 pm
ConservativeWoman from Not There says:
Sounds like the hipsters have been reading Saul Alinsky. Communism is back, and the younger generation thinks it's cool because of the kind of people teaching in colleges. Before this election, I would have never believed that someone like Bill Ayers, who was famous for his violence (I am his age and remember it well), would be teaching our children. After reading about the Woods Foundation and the Annenberg Challenge, I can't believe that we are now where we are. People, you were warned. This is what happens when we forget how we got here.
Nov. 19, 2008, 9:45 pm
Michael from Bay Ridge says:
The headline does not match the content of this article.
As far as I understand the problems were between "hipsters" and the police, not between "hipsters - and the old people who resent them".

Furthermore I don't believe that this article is factually based - it strikes me as more of a hodge podge of anecdotes. I would expect more from an "award winning paper" like BP.
Nov. 20, 2008, 10:55 am
bk from north brooklyn says:
Agree. I was at this meeting, and this is terrible reporting.
Nov. 20, 2008, 11:50 am
weekly reader from the library says:
Based on the comments posted, I have to wonder how often some of these people read the Brooklyn Paper. Many of the stories have this kind of inflammatory tone. Consider the source and don't worry about it.
Nov. 21, 2008, 11:09 am
HappyOne from Willliamsburg says:
As a native NYer, I find it so self-serving that these "New York WannaBes" call themselves "hipsters."

The last time I checked, anyone living outside of Manhattan was considered a B&Ter, right?

Just because these poor slobs are moving into Brooklyn, they're still "WannaBes" and should be really brave. Why not move deeper into the Southside? What's the matter, not white enought for you?

Please.....Hoboken taken them all back. They'll never be real New Yorkers!!!!!
Nov. 22, 2008, 4:44 pm

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