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New Yorkers are biking to work in record numbers — and Brooklynites are leading the boom, new city statistics reveal.

More than 2,000 new commuters joined the biking brigade this year, bringing the number of Brooklyn-to-Manhattan riders to a record high of 18,809 cyclists per day, according to the just-released results of the city’s annual bike commuting census conducted every spring.

The Williamsburg Bridge remained the city’s busiest cross-river route, with an average of 4,450 people using the span, about 500 more than last year. But the Manhattan Bridge is catching up, with an average of 3,790 riders — an increase of nearly 1,000 riders since last year.

In all, Brooklyn bikers make up 57 percent of the cyclists who use the bridges.

Mayor Bloomberg said that the cycling boom is evidence that his administra­tion’s controversial expansion of bike lanes is working.

“It’s the city’s responsibility to adjust to trends in commuting and ensure our streets are safe for everyone on the road,” said Bloomberg. “By improving our street network and strengthening enforcement of traffic laws, we’ve made our streets safer than ever — for everyone.”

Bloomberg has the public on his side, too.

Support for new bike lanes is growing — 60 percent of Brooklynites say bike lanes are a greener and healthier way to travel while only 34 percent say they are bad for traffic, according to a Qunnipiac poll released this week.

That mirrors a survey released earlier this year by Councilmen Brad Lander (D–Park Slope) and Steve Levin (D–Greenpoint) where 70 percent of Park Slope residents favor the Prospect Park West bike lane — reportedly Brooklyn’s most controversial bike path.

Transportation advocates say that the public has always favored bike lanes and that the lanes are common sense.

“Anyone can see that bike lanes are good for all New Yorkers,” said Transportation Alternatives’ Paul Steely White. “Separate spaces for pedestrians, bicyclists, and drivers keep everyone out of each other’s way and out of harm’s way.”

Brooklynites are split over whether bike lanes are widely used — 37 percent say they are while 40 percent say that are not used that much.

But perception of cyclist commuting may not equal reality.

Commuting may be growing, but transportation experts say most bridges are far under capacity and could handle significantly more riders.

“The Manhattan Bridge could handle 20 times the volume of bikes that are there now,” said Brooklyn Greenway Initiative’s Milton Puryear.

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br from brooklyn says:
This is a joke, right? 2,000 more bikers, for a total of less than 19,000 a day. Big whoopie.

Does your reporter have any idea how many people ride autos into Manhattan each day OR HOW MANY PEOPLE RIDE THE SUBWAY (the subway number for 2010 was 5,156,913 EVERY DAY!)?

Bloomberg's spending countless millions to make life miserable for auto commuters and, rather than kick in funds to aid the subways, he's diverting money to a tiny fraction of idiots willing to risk their lives in a bicycle commute.

Feed the subways, starve the bikers!
July 29, 2011, 12:29 am
Resident from PPW says:
Really, 18,809 riders a day are biking to work from Brooklyn? They must be bypassing the bike lane on PPW. When I walk to/from the subway or when I work from home, I don't see that kind of activity. I guess the bike lanes are our imperial mayor's attempt at a legacy.
July 29, 2011, 4:27 am
Scott L. from Gravesend says:
I guess I'm one of those "idiots that Br is talking about. I mean after I returned to cycling I did nothing but lose weight and get my heart into great shape, What an "idiot" I must be.
July 29, 2011, 5:30 am
Roy from Bay Ridge says:
Bicycling - sure is healthy and the cars can be resting and not poluting streets and air. It works well in other parts of the World - why not here. It will be a boon to the city.
July 29, 2011, 7:42 am
D from Slope says:
Ah, here comes Resident again, exhibiting a trademark misunderstanding of street design and the PPW project in particular.

The original impetus for the PPW redesign was to slow down speeding cars. PPW had excess capacity, which allowed for speeding, so community leaders decided it could benefit from removing one lane of traffic. Once that decision was arrived at and there was obviously going to be some extra space to play with, people decided to put in a bike lane to solve issues of connectivity, reduce riding on the sidewalk, and to provide a northern connection for cyclists coming from the south end of PPW.

The bike lane was secondary. Fill it with water or dirt and plant a garden for all I care. It's made it harder for cars to speed, made the street safer to cross, and made things a whole lot safer for everyone.
July 29, 2011, 8:46 am
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
I don't understand how the bike lanes make "life miserable for auto commuters".

Is is jealousy?
July 29, 2011, 8:48 am
G from Park Slope says:
Seeing a bike roll by or squeezing through gridlocked traffic makes drivers miserable. They realize that they are stuck in a two-ton steel box that was never designed to fit on city streets.
July 29, 2011, 9:04 am
Gary from PPW says:
Let's not forget the bike count is only a snapshot at certain specific points. The article only discusses bridge crossings. Many many bicycle trips do not pass those check points. Commuting to Manhattan is just the tip of the iceberg.
And any reasonably objective count shows that the PPW bike lane is very well used. Even if it wasn't, it has unquestionably reduced speeding and sidewalk bicycling (as it was intended to do).
July 29, 2011, 9:19 am
mike from GP says:
br, Resident and others:

That's not a total #, just numbers at certain spots that DOT has been collecting numbers at for decades. It's an indicator, not an attempt at actual numbers.

Secondly, NYC has spent about $2 million on the entire bike program since 2007. The remaining $6 million gets picked up by the Feds.

So, $8 million is a drop in the bucket compared to what the MTA needs. And why pit one against the other? More people on bicycles = less crowding on subways and buses, and they are complimentary modes of transportation. Both deserve to be encouraged!

Furthermore, NYC used to contribute hundreds of millions of dollars per year to the MTA, but Rudy ended that, for some reason.

So don't blame bicyclists for the MTA's woes -- blame Albany, who controls the purse strings, and won't adequately fund transit with smart policies like bridge tolls.

Finally, there is 0 evidence that shows that bike lanes cause congestion. They calm traffic, which is not the same thing. Cars cause congestion.
July 29, 2011, 9:21 am
G from Park Slope says:
I do not ride into Manhattan for my commute, yet I take the PPW bike lane and others regularly. I would not count under this methodology, so, in fact, the bike #'s are much higher than what the DOT snapshot figures show.

I'm not sure all the bike haters out there really want an accurate count of bike ridership in Brooklyn. It's probably higher than in any other borough and much higher than what can be counted on the bridges alone.

But let's wait to see what Tal Barzilai thinks before we rush to judgment.
July 29, 2011, 9:42 am
Larry Littlefield from Windsor Terrace says:
The more compelling number is how many people might like to commute by bicycle, but would never consider it because they fear getting injured or killed by a motor vehicle.

Based on what people have said to me, that number is high. And since not many people are going to start doing something in late middle age that they had not been doing all along, putting in bike lanes will not suddenly cause people to buy a bike and start riding in the short run.

But you can see where this is going in the long run. Younger people and immigrants, and particular, are increasingly getting around by bicycle. Unless the city rolls back the protection and drivers re-up the kill rate, there is going to be a huge change over 20 years.
July 29, 2011, 10:03 am
Mike says:
can't wait for Tal to come spew his RFID BS.
July 29, 2011, 10:04 am
OR from Yellow Hook says:
Time for Bike Enforcement Day!

No lights after dark?

Riding the wrong way?

Riding on the sidewalk?

Blowing thru the lights?

TICKETS TICKETS TICKETS!

It's for the children!

How many bikers are former car drivers? Not many - instead these are public transprotation users now on two wheels. And if they get tired or it rains, they can now take their bikes on the subway at any time, including rush hour!

Notice that the city does not put up bike racks, but you can now park your bike in a parking lot for $10. Per day.

SUCKERS!
July 29, 2011, 10:39 am
kevd from Flatbush says:
So br doesn't understand that this is only counting a fraction of cyclists in the NYC - only those crossing 4 bridges, and Resident thinks everyone going to a bridge MUST use the PPW bike lane (any basic understanding of geography aside). Is there anyone with the slightest bit of common sense who can dispute these numbers or come out against the expansion of bike lanes? Because these 2 fools are not even worth the time it takes to point out their obvious errors.
July 29, 2011, 10:43 am
kevd from Flatbush says:
"the city does not put up bike racks"
Really? Then who is installing all those new bike racks I've seen?
Check your facts, son.
July 29, 2011, 10:46 am
Ken from Greenpoint says:
OR from Yellow Hook says:
Time for Bike Enforcement Day!

damn right!!!!!
not paying registration, insurance, not helping local body shops etc.
not paying DOT taxes for implementing new roadways!!!

Bloomberg should put a special tax on bikers will see how many bike riders will be....
July 29, 2011, 10:46 am
wkgreen from Park Slope says:
The estimate in early 2010 of the number of people riding bikes in NYC on any given day was somewhere around 200,000 , up about 25% from the previous year. That's more than 10 times the estimate of those merely crossing from Bklyn to Manhattan, and this count is for people riding and not just trips.

For anyone who questions this (br, Resident are you listening?) I suggest going where the bikes are. Try standing at Bergen at the corner of 3rd Ave. or try Smith at Atlantic bet. 8AM & 9AM and counting the number of cyclists waiting at the light. The increasing number of bikes on those streets is rapidly approaching the number of motor vehicles at that time. Other heavily used streets include 5th Ave. and, in the eve., Dean St.

It's not every neighborhood and it's not every street. We're not Copenhagen or Amsterdam yet, but it's substantial and we're getting there. The sooner the better.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/more-than-200000-a-day-now-cycling/
July 29, 2011, 11:44 am
Blonk from Bklyn says:
"not helping local body shops" - heaven forbid!

Let's tax pedestrians for not spending money at auto body shops, then! Damn those pedestrians for only spending money at shoe stores and not car dealerships and repair shops. Don't they know that Pep Boys has a Constitutional right to their tax money?

And let's tax drivers for not spending money at bike shops! Even though bike shops are opening every week to keep up with the demand - and sending sales tax dollars to Albany and the city in the process - drivers ought to pay for stuff they aren't using!

Then again, since many bikers are also drivers and car owners - and vice versa - and since all bikers who commute in NYC are also NYC residents, they DO pay taxes. Income taxes fill in the over 50% of road repair and upkeep that isn't covered by gas taxes, registration fees, etc.

FYI, The IRS and State Treasury Dept. collect taxes and the Port Authority collects tolls. The DOT doesn't tax anyone, drivers included.
July 29, 2011, 11:44 am
mike from GP says:
Thanks wkgreen and Blonk, for injecting some more facts into this.
July 29, 2011, 11:55 am
Chris from Bushwick says:
Ken: "not paying DOT taxes for implementing new roadways!!!"

Nope, sorry, wrong, try again.

Not a single tax you pay on your car funds city streets. The NYCDOT is funded through taxpayer dollars that come from income, sales, and property taxes, which people pay regardless of whether they drive or own a bike. Gas tax revenue? That goes to the state and the feds, neither of which maintain New York City streets.

Of course, this is completely unfair... for cyclists. They pay the same taxes that drivers do to use the roads but put far less wear and tear on them. You want to know who's not paying their fair share to use streets in this city? Drivers, plain and simple.
July 29, 2011, 12:16 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
No where NEAR enough bike racks being put up for the 18,000 riders and 18,000 bikes.

That's a fact. But fork over for the parking lot sucker.
July 29, 2011, 12:40 pm
ty from pps says:
My tax and your taxes pay for the roads... no matter if I use them.

Major wear and tear of the roads is only caused by CARS, not bicycles.

I'm comfortable that my tax dollars are being used to maintain the roads for COMMERCIAL traffic and public transportation, but I know that the free parking and free usage of the roads provided to me and my personal car is completely ridiculous... especially when there are cranks like those above that think that bikes don't deserve a modicum of space on these roads. Ya know, the roads we ALL pay for.

You precious commute in your car is SUBSIDIZED by every single person in this city that doesn't use a car. In short, HOW DARE YOU demand more!
July 29, 2011, 12:41 pm
mike from GP says:
Or from Yellow,

The number is well over 200,000 daily riders and fast increasing. And no, there are not enough bike racks. Which is why the City is installing them at a fast pace (picked up by Federal government's CMAQ program).

It's also why the City passed the Bikes in Buildings bill, which allows bike commuters to take their bikes into their offices if their employer allows it (but building management is dragging their feet).

And yes, this bill also opened up bike parking at lots and garages. In most places I've seen it's not $10/day.. closer to $1/day.

I'm not sure where your hostility is coming from, but it doesn't make any sense.
July 29, 2011, 12:59 pm
p from ppw says:
Mike and wkgreen, enough with the statistics and facts already. We all know that all that matters is what Resident sees on his walk home.
July 29, 2011, 1:17 pm
LC from PS says:
Chris-

Your information about taxes is not entirely true. Gas taxes do go to the state, and are used to pay debt service on transportation bonds which finance improvement on the interstate roadways (including the BQE, Belt Parkway etc) as well as to fund the state portion of some local transportation projects. So some of those dollars are being spent in the city although the vast majority of the city street repairs are funded out of city revenues. I'd also note the city's revenues includes money received from traffic enforcement which is 100% funded by city drivers.
July 29, 2011, 1:59 pm
jj from Brooklyn says:
one more time … why shouldn't bicyclists have to register their vehicles?
July 29, 2011, 2:06 pm
mike from GP says:
@jj you tell me, why do you think bicyclists should register? Do you register your sneakers?

Maybe it's something about the fundamental right to travel under one's own power.
July 29, 2011, 2:11 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
Thanks, LC. In fairness, most of those state dollars are going toward major rehab/construction projects, and I was focusing more on basic maintenance like street resurfacing, street cleaning, and pothole filling.

jj: Why shouldn't they? Because in every city in the US that has tried it, it simply hasn't worked. It's expensive, it's impossible to enforce, and it will do nothing to stop accidents and recklessness, which continues in large numbers among licensed drivers in registered cars.
July 29, 2011, 2:12 pm
kevd from Flatbush says:
"But fork over for the parking lot sucker."
Or maybe I'll just keep bringing my bike into my office....
July 29, 2011, 2:33 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
It is impossible to believe that 18 thousand bike zealouts are using their bikes when Louise Hainline's camera has barely shown anyone using the Prospect Park west bike lane. This is just more proof that Bloomberg can not be trusted to tell the truth to his voters who want him not not have a third term. That someone from Transportation Alternates is quoted here shows the extreme power of the bike lobby and just how far bike zealouts will go in their effort to be quoted. Let's see how many bikers are using the bike lane in September. I doubt it will be that many but we'll have to count ourselves to find out.

And before you bike zealouts like Mike and Steve call me childish names know that I don't find that acceptable where I come from so don't do it.
July 29, 2011, 2:41 pm
kevd from Flatbush says:
(though I'm not going to argue that they are putting in ENOUGH bike racks, because they aren't. Just arguing that they ARE putting some in)
July 29, 2011, 2:45 pm
Ken from Brooklyn says:
The majority of bikers pedal as if they're in the Tour D'France. They leave safety considerations to the motorists..."Hit me if you dare". Try (1) staying in the bike lane that our Mayor so graciously gave to you .. without any public referendum (2) observing traffic lights. Biking is another fad, like the hoola-hoop. Come back and see me in 3 years. Someone should to a FOIA request in a year to see how many cyclists were hurt or maimed.
July 29, 2011, 3:08 pm
mike from GP says:
Ken,

All bike lanes have been approved numerous times by respective community boards. But you knew that, right?

And biking certainly is not a fad. DOT releases bike injury and fatality counts, and the results are that bike lanes reduce crashes for ALL street users, including motorists.

But of course I don't expect these facts to change your outlook, because it appears you're angry. Why?
July 29, 2011, 3:13 pm
JJ from Brooklyn says:
mike, a biker is not exactly moving independently. the bike is a vehicle. the vehicle is subject to traffic laws just like autos. LICENSE!
July 29, 2011, 3:21 pm
g from ppw says:
Driving is a fad. Come back and see me in 3 years when gas is $6 a gallon and subway fares are $5.

I wish drivers would stay in car lanes that a mayor long ago gave them without any public referendum:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/crash_granny_saved_by_ber_seat_belt_ls57fhQA2GlrmJ0lBMg7PN
July 29, 2011, 3:32 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, I was not here at 2:41 PM, and I know the possible suspects for that. Surveys can be found to be biased. They have been known to ask vague questions, and give choices that force the reader to choose. Sometimes, they don't have anything to offer for those that have no opinion. As for the comments, they have been known to selectively pick what favors them to promote their agenda. As for the claim that many commute to work by bicycle, they are still a very small number. For more on this, please click this link.

http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/latest-journalism-news-updates-219.php
July 29, 2011, 3:45 pm
William from Brooklyn says:
Hi Tal,

I'd really like to meet you and talk to you in person. I will pay for your train ticket to Brooklyn, take you out to lunch, and go for a walk with you along Prospect Park West.

I think it would be much more productive than all the silly back and forth that happens here, since much of what is said is either nonsensical or insulting - on both sides.

Rather than keep pressing your case to anonymous internet commenters, would you like to meet up in Brooklyn?

What do you say? When would you like to do it?
July 29, 2011, 4:54 pm
Dave from Browns Summit says:
The bike counts are taken over a 12 hour time period, bikes are counted twice per count!
July 29, 2011, 4:59 pm
LOLcat from Park Slope says:
When the apocalypse comes I'll be pedaling my way to freedom while you suckers in your cars can fight it out over gas.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19325_6-technologies-conspicuously-absent-from-sci-fi-movies.html

Meow.
July 29, 2011, 5:31 pm
s from slope says:
Dave,

Amazing as it is to believe, people who ride their bikes...wait for it...need to get home!

The DOT routinely measures car driving during the morning AND evening rush. I'm assuming those people are making round trips, too!

Cyclists! They're just like us! They have jobs!
July 29, 2011, 5:38 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
William, I don't know if I will ever get the time, because there is a lot of days I am busy. Either way, I do think that the survey is biased, especially from the link that I gave. BTW, it was the US Census Bureau that came up with saying that a very small number commutes by bicycle. I didn't make those findings, they did, so take it out on them, not me.
July 29, 2011, 8:16 pm
Truth says:
Tal is really busy sitting in his parents' basement, posting blog comments, and masturbating.
July 29, 2011, 8:39 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal

You should come to Brooklyn and see the bike lane. Just onece....
July 29, 2011, 8:59 pm
Mustache Pete from Windsor Terrace says:
Forget it guys. Tal's really busy, can't you tell? He can't possibly spare the time to pry open his mind.
July 29, 2011, 11:47 pm
Sadist-Kahn from NYC says:
It's a bike lane traffic calming contra flow segregationist infrastructure marvel of engineering designed by non-engineers to keep the cycling advocates smiling and off the road until they realize the bike lane traffic calming contra flow segregationist infrastructure marvel of engineering evaporated and they are about to be a statistic. And, that statistic will happen outside of the bike lane traffic calming contra flow segregationist infrastructure marvel of engineering so they were safe there – better build more bike lanes so they will be safe everywhere. Hell we could just put a rail down the bike lane and they could run on it without tires. This and mandatory bike lane use should make you all happy since your IQ is below that required to operate a vehicle on the road.
July 30, 2011, 2:33 am
Sadist-Kahn from NYC says:
And don't forget no tires means less use of petroleum products. Now if you remove all the components that required a truck, train or ship to deliver and mining, welding, gluing or other chemical processes to manufacture and you can be an eco friendly sustainability model for all of NYC to emulate. Hell, they may name a coffee shop after you – The Naked Cage Hater Elitist Javatorium.
July 30, 2011, 2:42 am
Brian from Brighton Beach says:
I am astounded at the amount of people out there that would say that "biking is for idiots" or that "biking is a fad".

Well my opinion is car drivers are selfish, lazy, & unhealthy. Some of these anti-cyclists are uneducated since so many other 1st world countries embrace cycling as a main means of commuting

If you want to drive so bad & hate cyclists so much- go move out of Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a place that is moving progressively with the times. New York City is a world city, and that means we need to grow ahead of the rest of US in many ways- especially in terms of our views on public transit, walking, and especially cycling.

Driving a car is just not progressive- it is a thing that should be seen as a relic of the past, especially in NYC.
July 31, 2011, 12:02 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
^^^Keep you whacked out opinions to yourself you car hating bike zealot. ^^^
July 31, 2011, 10:54 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I could not have written that comment at 10:54 because I was not at my computer at that minute, although I was there a little later. Stop it Mike, just stop it. And you other imposters need to chill too and stop getting so defensive. I know that Transportation Alternatives sends a message every time I comment here, so I expect imposter bike zealouts to do what they do best and that is to make comments that are not smart and that hate drivers so much that they never want anything to do with cars again.

Cars work just fine where I come from and you never see a bicycle on the road when you are looking to find one and I'm sure the same is true in Brooklyn. Readers at City Room tell me they never see anyone using a bicycle anywhere. Someone said even his groceries are delivered by a big truck, so I guess even deliverymen aren't using bikes anymore. They know biking is a fad but too bad Streetsblog doesn't know this yet.
July 31, 2011, 2:42 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, cut the impersonations especially when I wasn't even on my computer this morning. Brian, nobody actually hates bicycles, it's the attitude that some tend to display that is being hated here. A lot of times, they hardly show any respect to others and act as if they are above the law. If they want to be treated like all other vehicles who use the road, then must behave like the rest as well. Why should they be allowed to use the roads for free and without consequences when breaking the laws? Just because they don't create emissions, doesn't give them a blank check to do whatever they want either. I wouldn't be surprised if all motor vehicles were modified to produce almost no emissions and you would all still be hating them. The only reason why I hear so much opposition on registering and licensing bicycles isn't because of the cost, it's more like they don't want to be caught by being tracked down. Overall, I don't hate the person, I hate the attitude they use. On a side note, cut the alter egos as well.
July 31, 2011, 2:46 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Progresive Brian?

Get you Mao jacket comrade.

Even the Chinese want cars now, and they are getting them while you are scourging yourself to please mother Gaia.

Yopur progess is comic.
Aug. 1, 2011, 1 am
Other Michzel from Park Slope says:
there is nothing wrong with wanting a car, if you live in suburbia. But more cars means more traffic. Bike lanes don't cause traffic.
Aug. 1, 2011, 6:53 am
Pat K from Yellow Hook. says:
Many drivers cycle now. Some cyclist drive. I try to follow the rules on both.

I lke to cycle off the city Steets,sometimes using them to the parks, or Ocean. Cars will still be part of our City, I say this as I have become an enthusatic bike Rider.

Common Sense should previal.
Aug. 1, 2011, 12:20 pm
A from Park Slope says:
I have to disagree with:

"Other Michzel from Park Slope says:
there is nothing wrong with wanting a car, if you live in suburbia. But more cars means more traffic. Bike lanes don't cause traffic.
Today, 6:53 am"

The whole idea between the PPW bike lane was to slow traffic by removing a lane and cause more traffic.
Aug. 1, 2011, 1:59 pm
g from ps says:
A, you have it slightly wrong.

Removing a lane removed the excess capacity on PPW - meaning that the street was too wide for the traffic volumes it carried. Creating a street with two lanes means that cars have to drive with more caution, because they can't simply weave in and out of traffic to race down the street...it's simply harder to do.

Cars were racing to meet each light, accelerating to go as far as they could before hitting a red. Now, lights have been retimed and the one fewer lane means that cars travel at a constant flow down the street. Interestingly it takes the same amount of time to make it from one end of PPW to the other as it did before.

The bike lane has not caused more traffic. It has caused the drivers that use PPW to use more caution, much in the way one would have to use more caution on a one-lane street as compared to a five lane super highway.

It's worth repeating: despite what NBBL believes, the bike lane has not caused more traffic.
Aug. 1, 2011, 3:41 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Just like the WNBA, the car culture isn't going away anytime soon. They will always be needed no matter what occurs. Just because gas prices are going up, doesn't mean that people will stop driving them, they will just be driving them less than they did before, but they won't stop altogether. When it comes to going such long distances, a bicycle won't do, a car can go that far. To me, bicycles are just something to go into the next couple of neighborhoods, but going into the next city or town, they can't do that. Keep in mind that there is the technology for cars that produce next to nothing in emissions now with hybrids and even less with full electric cars. The minute I can get something like that, it will be a good thing. Also, they are making cars that get more mpg, so lesser fillups are needed. I still don't see why bicycles need special lanes when cyclists went for decades without and all they had to was just follow the law. Again, just because I oppose bike lanes, doesn't mean that I am against bicycles or saving the earth in that matter.
Aug. 1, 2011, 4:58 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal

Can I speculate that you don't think bikes need special lanes because you don't actually spend much time in an urban environment link Brooklyn.

The people who ride bikes in Brooklyn are not going to the "next city or town". They are most likely staying in Brooklyn or maybe going to Manhattan or Queens. Bike lanes make that safer, and in reality possible.

and that super car you are dreaming about is still gonna cost a lot of money

and you should also know that a lot of people move to Brooklyn just to get away from "car culture" I happen to own a car, but I can go weeks without using it.

If you would have spend any time in Brooklyn, you might know this.
Aug. 1, 2011, 6:18 pm
Mike says:
Tal:

Not everyone lives 50 miles away. Most of the people trying to get around Brooklyn ARE going to the next couple of neighborhoods. Bikes are ideal for 1-5 mile trips, but need protected bike lanes for most people to feel safe riding. That's the fundamental thing you refuse to understand.
Aug. 2, 2011, 1:16 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I don't know what you guys are on, but whatever it is, I don't want it. You are aware that there are parts of Brooklyn that are not served by mass trainst, and have to rely on buses that aren't big in numbers. That area I am referring to is the part around the Belt Parkway especially by the Queens line as well as Red Hook, which also has no transit there either. Unfortunately, living where transit is a plenty is not a cheap thing unless those like me can find some good deals, but that's unlikely in most cases. BTW, there are a number of things that I have to do that are not close to my house, and not in walking distance, so I have to drive to get around, because it's my only choice, plus where I work is quite some distance from the train station with a hilly road making it difficult to walk on, not to mention there is no bus stop nearby. Nevertheless, you blanket statements are not reason for bike lanes, especially the protected ones. Why is it so hard to just follow the traffic laws? No wonder why so many think of you guys as being those special animals from George Orwell's Animal Farms where everyone had to follow the rules except a special kind. There is a reason why places such as Streetsblog gets such a bad rap, and your excuses are one of them.
Aug. 2, 2011, 6:44 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal

Thanks for making our point. YOU live in a place where cars are necessary. WE do not.

You even seam to think you car is a necessary evil.

Maybe if you actually visited Park Slope you would see that the PPW Bike lane does not stop anyone from driving their car. It only makes biking safer.
Aug. 2, 2011, 6:53 pm
mike from GP says:
Folks, seriously. Arguing with Tal is doing nothing but inflate Rupert Murdoch's profits. Not worth it. Spend your time working for what you believe it, not fighting trolls.
Aug. 2, 2011, 7:50 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
But it is fun.

Tal compared me to someone who hates women who play basketball. I think.
Aug. 2, 2011, 8:32 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I have nothing to with Murdoch's profits mike, so I expect an immediate apology for your slander. If anyone here is trolling, it's you especially because of how defensive you are. Just go back to Streetsblog if you only like hearing your own voice. Speaking of Streetsblog, Mark Gorton is not like your everyday person especially since he has a high position and can live close enough to his work, not to mention that he can come in and out whenever he pleases as well as not show up on some days. I didn't come up with that arbitrairly on him, this is what was said about him in Bloomberg News. Regaurdless, even the latest boom still puts cyclists in a small number when you compare it with everything else.
Aug. 2, 2011, 10:12 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Speaking of Streetsblog, Mark Gorton is not like your everyday person especially since he has a high position and can live close enough to his work, not to mention that he can come in and out whenever he pleases as well as not show up on some days,
Aug. 3, 2011, 6:23 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Speaking of Streetsblog, Mark Gorton is not like your everyday person especially since he has a high position and can live close enough to his work, not to mention that he can come in and out whenever he pleases as well as not show up on some days,
Aug. 3, 2011, 10:42 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I have nothing to with Murdoch's profits mike, so I expect an immediate apology for your slander. If anyone here is trolling, it's you especially because of how defensive you are. Just go back to Streetsblog if you only like hearing your own voice. Speaking of Streetsblog, Mark Gorton is not like your everyday person especially since he has a high position and can live close enough to his work, not to mention that he can come in and out whenever he pleases as well as not show up on some days. I didn't come up with that arbitrairly on him, this is what was said about him in Bloomberg News. Regaurdless, even the latest boom still puts cyclists in a small number when you compare it with everything else.
Aug. 3, 2011, 2:35 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal

Ya OK? You are not making any sense.
Aug. 3, 2011, 9:24 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Other Michael, those posts were not done by me, because I was not online at that time in the morning being that I am not much of a morning person to begin with. How do you we know that the last three comments before your's wasn't you doing them? I would sure like to hear you alibies. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if you did that to insult me, which I find very cowardly.
Aug. 4, 2011, 11:26 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
I am afraid I have no "alibies" since as you may know, one can post from any smart phone.

But are you accusing me of insulting you because you thing I repeated your (nonsensical) words?
Aug. 5, 2011, 5:26 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I am tired of those who accuse me of being regressive just for opposing things such as bike lanes. Also, I am not against the envirnment either. If I was, I wouldn't be working at a recycling plant. Also, opposing bike lanes has nothing to do with where one stands on the political specturm, because Anthony Weiner opposed them, and the last time I checked, he was a hard core liberal. I myself am a considered a liberal by my views. As a matter of fact, I am considered a nerdy leftist for my knowledge of a lot of things that your kind tends to deny. Just to let you know, the most vocal opponents to congestion in NYC when it was an issue were liberals to, so that debunks any claim that only conservatives would oppose such a thing.
Aug. 5, 2011, 5:45 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal

I don't really care that you are a liberal, and am a sure we would agree on many things. I just think that it is a little weird that you opposed something so strongly that really has nothing to do with you. Of course it is you right to oppose the PPW Bike Lane. As it is my right to think it is weird.

And again, Tal, have you ever actually seen the Bike Lane? (Videos clips form former important people don't count.)
Aug. 5, 2011, 6:52 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville says:
First of all, I could not have posted at 5:45pm August 5 because I was on the hopper at the time, suffering from a very bad case of stomach cramps. I am reporting all imperonating posts to my congressman, unless I get an immediate apollogy and either 1 million dollars compinsation or season tickets to the WNBA for all teams. Second, it is not the case that I don't like bikes. I still ride my tricycle around my block on weekend mornings for excersize. I am merely stating that car owners pay much more than their disporportionate share of taxes and deserve more consideration than bikers. MOst bikers that I know are unemployed or working as squeejee punks. Lastly, I am tired of everybody ganging up on me when all I am doing is stating facts and debunking the undebunkables.

-Tal Barlizai
Aug. 12, 2011, 1:31 pm
Stop hating from Brownsville says:
People ! get on your bikes it's healthy , I was a motorist and it wasn't fun, you depend on your vehicle so much you don't realize how sloppy your getting, Ive rode my bike in in the rain here and in New England and I don't get tired when commuting. stop being afraid and get on your bikes. you have to love the haters! " make laws for cyclist , idiots on two wheels " boo hoo. Those who criticize wake up. I would die happy if I died riding my bike. I love seeing all types of ethnicities riding around the city, I go everywhere on tabitha, queens , the city, Bx and its beautiful to see everyone is out there riding on different styles. there's more to life than routine! And there are far more cyclist than there was 1 year ago and I been riding for yeeeeeears around the city when there weren't bike lanes! go green nyc!
June 11, 2013, 12:49 am

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