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Kickballers want grills in McCarren Park

The Brooklyn Paper

Hungry kickball players are urging the city to install grills in bustling McCarren Park, claiming greater access to hot dogs and burgers will improve their play.

Brooklyn Kickball League Commissioner Kevin Dailey has approached Councilman Steve Levin (D–Greenpoint) to request charcoal grill stations near Gilroy Field and around the McCarren Park track, arguing that the area is “underfed.”

“Something needs to be done about the lack of food availability in McCarren,” he said. “There’s not enough to keep up with demand and what we have is of little nutritional value.”

Kickball players have been known to fuel their bodies with suds more than sports drinks, and though restaurants abound in the park’s northwest and southeast border, there are only one or two regular street vendors inside the park offering more accessible comestibles.

Dailey believes that public grills will keep his players performing at peak levels on lazy Sunday afternoons.

“It’s a matter of basic biology — people get hungry when they run around in the sun,” he said. “Barbecuing is as American as George Washington striking out Benedict Arnold. We need it. People are hungry and when people are hungry they don’t play better.”

The city does not permit barbecuing anywhere in McCarren Park, but park-goers have illegally brought their own portable charcoal grills to several parts of the park for years with little incident.

But some North Brooklynites who live near the park say that it will be difficult for the city to find an appropriate area for permanent cooking fixtures in the always-crowded green space.

“The park is already oversaturated with athletic areas where aerobic needs are great, and there’s a shortage of passive park space to just sit and hang out,” said Williamsburg resident Meredith Chesney, whose hair salon Miss Mousey Brown borders the park. “I see a major clash coming down the pike if the city goes that route.”

A clash over grilling in McCarren Park wouldn’t be the area’s first barbecue battle: newly installed grills in Williamsburg’s Cooper Park sparked a flare-up between fans of outdoor cooking and park neighbors who fear litter and smoke.

Kickball players largely approve of any plan that would add grills near their ball fields.

“It’s a great idea, but it has to be safe,” said Recession Aggression’s Amanda Donelan. “My only fear is the ball flying and hitting the grills — you always have to be careful around an open flame.”

And New Frontiersmen ace pitcher Jessica Seibert says that even the league’s vegans would join the fun.

“You can grill tofu and seitan,” she said. “This is Brooklyn — half the people here are vegan and the other half like bacon because it’s trendy.”

A Levin spokesman said the councilman has not taken a position on barbecuing in McCarren Park, but is open to hearing more about specific proposals.

A parks spokesman said the agency has not received any requests for grills.

Reach reporter Aaron Short at ashort@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2547.

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SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
I guess that guy in the bottom picture was one one of the manley men that could beat me at any sport like the kickballers boasted in teh other thread. He looks more brittle than Mr. Saltey! Heck, Mr. Saltey has bigger arms. Hipsters are so masculine! Right, kickball is a real sport.
June 8, 2012, 8:23 am
PZ from Brooklyn Heights says:
“This is Brooklyn — half the people here are vegan and the other half like bacon because it’s trendy.”
Jessica Seibert is a complete idiot. 2.5 million people in the Brooklyn and she speaks to all of thier eating habits. Must be nice living in her little bubble. Why not take the A train over to say....Kingston Throop, get off, maybe some late evening, and observe the locals culinary habits and report back on all the Vegans.
June 8, 2012, 8:33 am
ty from pps says:
SwampYankee --
Which "real sports" do you play? Actually play.
June 8, 2012, 8:38 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
ty,
baseball, ice hockey, 2 sub 4 hour marathons, and some tennis. Used to box. Still do a boxing workout plus weight training. No cycling but I do run 3 or 4 miles each day
June 8, 2012, 8:47 am
Mickey Shea from Greenpoint says:
McCarren Park....food desert.
Pretentious twits.
June 8, 2012, 9:07 am
Amanda from Williamsburg says:
Hey!

All I want to say is that I haven't heard any personal attacks coming from any of the do called "hipsters" in either article or on either board. There has been some mud slinging back and forth but for the most part I feel it is retaliation on both sides.

On this blog however, there have been no comments about the article topic just blatant insults hurled at the people represented in the article by word and picture. That reLly isn't cool. Stop being a bully.
June 8, 2012, 9:16 am
Maeve from 11222 says:
Pack a picnic lunch! Better yet, doesn't THE TURKEY'S NEST have an unused backyard? The tens of thousands of dollars worth of beer to go and frozen margaritas they sell to the kids to take out into the park every summer should certainly subsidize a grill or two in their yard. Turkey's Nest could then clean up some of the styrofoam cups their "tradition" creates for the park and cut down on some public urination too. OSA/Brooklyn Brewery should partner with the Turkey's Nest and make that happen for those hungry kickball kids.
June 8, 2012, 9:24 am
PZ from Brooklyn Heights says:
Amanda,
I quoted something someone said in the article. It was a completely stupid statement by someone that thinks Willamsburg represents all of Brooklyn. To say half of the people in Brooklyn are vegans is .....well...... retarded. It's is typical of some white bread assh*&le that moved here a few years ago and thinks she defines the whole borough. You do realize that 1/2 of Brooklyn is non white don't you? How about a little backround as to how little miss know it all came up with that silly statement? Sorry Amanda, one can not just let every statement stand just because it is uttered by a kickballer.
June 8, 2012, 9:27 am
manhatposeur from manhatland says:
Around Mccareen Park, I can train MMA(UFC) at Renzo Gracie's, swim at Mccarren, run track, grab a drink from the da the nest for kickball, & now have a BBQ in Mccarren!
The park is truelly an all ages affair!
June 8, 2012, 9:30 am
ty from pps says:
SwampYankee --

You think baseball is far more athletic than kickball? If these 'hipsters' were playing baseball or softball, that would pass your test?

And running... isn't that for kids? I see kids running all the time. Doesn't seem very manly.

And tennis? What is that!?! That doesn't sound very "brooklyn" -- sound more Westchester or summer house in the Finger Lakes... You're such a fraud.

You probably don't even dress right either.
June 8, 2012, 9:32 am
manhatposeur from mnahatland says:
Swamp Yankee wants to return to the days when people lived in fear in Brooklyn - it aint happening.
June 8, 2012, 9:40 am
JAZ from Occupied Zone says:
I favor grills in McCarren, but only if they are handcrafted by authentic Brooklyn Based artisans; there's a skateboarding blacksmith in Bushwick that came from Vermont to make $125 metro card holders; he'd probably be a good choice to craft the grills.

I'd also like to see unicycle lanes along Lorimer.
June 8, 2012, 9:40 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
ty,
you forgot to comment on ice hockey and boxing. Guess you have mastered those. If you think running a marathon is easy give it a try. Baseball harder than kickball? Yes, oh yes it is, at every level. Guess you never played a real sport if you think baseball is anything like kickball. Lets see, baseball is the size of a billiard ball and just about as hard. in the local league you may have one thrown at you at about 80mph. a kickball is about the size of a basketball, but much softer. It comes in at about 8mph and is delivered by someone like that emaciated mess in the photo above. IF you think baseball is so easy you should try and catch a throw coming in from right field while you are trying to block the plate and on your blind side there is a 250lb guy running full speed trying to knock you upside down to jar the ball loose. Yeah.....just like kickball
June 8, 2012, 9:53 am
ty from pps says:
SwampYankee --
You are such a douchebag. I guess that's part of being "real" Brooklyn, right?

How many "real" Brooklynites do you think play sports and train like you? Probably about 500. The rest... the other 2.5 million... what are they allowed to do to maintain their Brooklyn cred according to the SwampYankee?

Obviously they can't play kickball. Tennis does seem pretty wussy. I guess they just need to get drunk, watch other people play sports and beat their wives... right?
June 8, 2012, 10:01 am
ty from pps says:
(Also, I didn't mention hockey because I really like hockey and it makes me sad that I share that with someone like you....)
June 8, 2012, 10:02 am
Ro from Greenpoint says:
There are a great portion of folks who play kickball that run marathons, participate in other sports, and also have interests that lay outside McCarren Park, Williamsburg and outside of kickball.

Most of them are regular folks like any of you passing by and judging. Some of them have terrible fashion sense.

No one complains about the short shorts. You love the short shorts.
June 8, 2012, 10:04 am
piso from GP says:
Amanda, why would we comment on the article? This is not news and no one cares. I walked by one of the games yesterday and there were no spectators. I agree with you that you like to have fun and all, but they don't write a story about me playing bean toss in my back yard.
June 8, 2012, 11:02 am
Alpha Dude from Broke-lyn says:
LOL. Nothing against kickball but it is a child's sport. Anyone here ever struck out at the plate in a kickball game? (If you have, you might not want to admit it.) Why not start a teeball league and take this to its logical conclusion? You can even have an "everybody wins" rule like the 6-8 age groups have. I suppose the next thing we'll hear is that Candyland is just as mentally challenging as chess.

As for the grills, I have nothing against the idea and in fact I support outdoor grilling everywhere it's possible. How this request qualifies as news is beyond me though. They want to have charcoal grills. Well, I want a free round the world plane ticket. Where's my feature?
June 8, 2012, 11:23 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
What's wrong with solar grills?

No smoke, no carcinogins, no ashes to dump.

Roast veggies or fat dripping meat. Takes some time but it's possible.
June 8, 2012, 11:53 am
sledgehammer from Brooklyn, no I lied. Wiscopennsylhiowa says:
Weren't the hipster/yuppies just complaining that grills in the park would attract the "wrong element"? What do they mean by that? Are they talking about the people from the nearby housing projects?

I have this great game that will replace kickball. It's called Duck Duck Goose. I played it in first grade and it was rilly kewel. It's ripe for a revival with this bunch. No athletic ability is necessary and everybody gets a participation award.
June 8, 2012, 12:33 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
I would offer to play the hipsters in Full Contact Lawn Darts but I would lose. Pretty hard to hit someone shaped like a coffee stirrer.
June 8, 2012, 12:37 pm
H.C.M. Ingraham from Dumboburg says:
I think they've lost their marbles and have as a consequence resorted to kicking their balls.
June 8, 2012, 1:38 pm
Duff from Columbia Heights says:
"SwampYankee" is so wasting all of our lives. Don't let his testosterone affect your Brooklyn Peace! Old punk is probably just....Shoot now I'm wasting my time.
June 8, 2012, 11:50 pm
Bruce from midwood says:
Its not about kickball or being athletic. It is about the fact that a lot of you think that Williamsburg for example was someplace Brooklynites feared before you all came and fixed it for us. There were great restaurants all over Williamsburg long before you came here. There were great clubs long before you came here.There were great bars long before you came here. There were great people long before you came here.There were real Polish,Italian,and Spanish restaurants long before you came here.I could come to Bedford ave and have lunch with 4 friends for under 20 bucks for all four of us and then go to Teddy's and have a drink. Nobody was afraid to be on Bedford or Driggs or Manhattan ave long before you came here. Some people actually like the gritty feel of some parts of the city.But, the part of Williamsburg you are talking about was never dangerous. I am a bit older than most of you that area was never dangerous.You insulted some brooklynites in the previous article by insinuating they were not as financially well off as you are and therefor they are jealous of your success. I am as well off,and you still annoy me. You some how think you made Brooklyn a better place for us.You are very cocky indeed. You did not.Nobody needs your help. Brooklyn was and is great and will continue to be great after all of you move on to your next destination.
June 9, 2012, 7:21 am
Rocco from Brighton Beach says:
What's next? Red Rover and T-Ball? Why aren't these over-grown children getting real jobs instead of being 35 year old interns and "graphic designers" on their parents' dime? These phonies make people sick.
June 9, 2012, 9:39 am
UrHypocrites from outerlimits says:
The fact of the matter is the hipsters or yupsters or whatever it is they are, are also some of the most racist people living in Brooklyn.

Once the 'rents money runs dry for all of you and you actually have to work for the 3G a month apts you live in, you'll be ready to reproduce in some traditional, artisanal way and will either move out to the burbs here or go back to Ohio or whichever fly-over states you're from, because you'll decide it's safer and 'nicer' to raise your Ethan and Caleb and Ian jr's there than here where people are 'mean' to you.

Yeah, the people you are blatantly afraid of and make clear, by every word and action you make while living in Brooklyn, that you are afraid of them. You came here assuming that 'the brown people beat their wives and the brown people are soooo diffrint like yah, and not sew kewl...' As a group, you've made it clear in your make believe business decisions and in your cynical adaptation of fashions past. You need to change everyone and everything around you and you do it by attacking how they've lived for generations and having complete disregard for the fact that they HAVE lived here for generations. You dismiss them as human beings altogether and collect amongst yourselves like the scared, hyper-sensitive little white p*ssies that you are. When was the last time YOU went out into the neighborhood and invited one of those scary brown people to a party? You don't because you decide FOR THEM that they wouldn't like it and you do that because you can't take rejection from ANYONE. You were raised to believe you're special little snowflakes who weely mattuh in evree fing in dee wirld. You sound like little children, you act like children, and you WHINE like little children when people don't prostrate themselves to your demands and whims and fancifuly play dates.

Srsly, GROW THE —— UP. Stop living off your aging parents ( remember...the natural order of Life is that YOU should be taking care of THEM as they age...). Stop assuming the whole world gives a rats ass about your choice of dietary habits and music and clothing. Stop pretending you're ironic individuals when in fact you are your own herd.
June 9, 2012, 9:48 am
Bruce from midwood says:
Well said
June 9, 2012, 9:56 am
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Bravo
June 9, 2012, 10:33 am
ty from pps says:
Not even a bit of irony in your rants, eh? Painful broad stroke generalizations and stereotyping... all brought on, why? Because it really annoys you (for some reason) that people play games in the park.
June 9, 2012, 10:59 am
steve from usa says:
UrHypocrites from outerlimits and Bruce should Srsly, GROW THE —— UP! Poor hoodies crying like little girls over how "their" neighborhood has changed (get used to it, it's not going away) and scary white people. Come back in 10 yrs it will be different, 10 yrs after that, different. And so on... see a pattern yet?

I thought the article was about grilling in the park. Something people from everywhere seem to love, and I'm for it too!
June 9, 2012, 11:57 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty,
I quote from the article:
“This is Brooklyn — half the people here are vegan and the other half like bacon because it’s trendy.” Tell me how this is not "broad stroke generalizations and stereotyping"? Huh? This twit thinks she speaks for all Brooklyn. Thats the problem with hipsters they think they speak for everyone and that what they like everybody else should like. The generational started with the air kickballed. Why aren't you taking her to taks for "broad stroke generalizations and stereotyping"
June 9, 2012, 12:35 pm
bruce from midwood says:
Steve you are right people come and people go and they add the flavor of their respective nationality to the mix. You people add nothing ,take everything ,and destroy "real" culture and replace it with what you think is culture. You are clueless.Its not about playing games in the park. Play games all you want. It is about the fact you all think you did some great humanitarian service to Wiiliamsburg and other areas. You did nothing. The neighborhood was great while and long before you were nursing on your mommies teats in whatever hole you came out of. Why did you come to Brooklyn? To save us? No,because you knew Brooklyn is a great place to live. But you come here and try to change the dynamics of great and diverse neighborhoods. I was reading the comments on this article and the previous article and I was going to stay out of this thread. But,the disrespect and the way many of you stereotype Brooklynites quite frankly pissed me off. You know nothing about Brooklyn and you never will because you don't assimilate instead you try to change things because you know so much better than we do what will all need. You are sickening.If you bothered to read my post before I stated I make as much if not more money than most of you do. I live where I want with the exception of a few places with no problems at all. I eat and drink where I want with no financial hardship. You and your ilk and just make me sick. The fact that I sit in a restaurant and it is abundantly clear I am the only Brooklynite sitting in a restaurant makes me sick. Again Brooklyn was great long before you got here and it will be long after you are gone.
June 9, 2012, 12:37 pm
Valaire from 11211 says:
What a striking difference the comments are on this thread compared to those on the copious number of articles on the fight for the grills at Cooper Park. On those threads the arguments were actually about BBQs, personal liberties, entitlement...
This thread is about how much old Brooklyn hates the current, transient Brooklyn and how the hipsters just don't get it. They won't, they can't , they don't want to. They are as perfect to themselves as their mommies and daddies told them they were. I don't see anybody standing up for them to get grills like they did for the Cooper Park Houses people. Fascinating contrast.
June 9, 2012, 1:51 pm
Black Niggy from Picture accompanying this article says:
Me sooo horny!!!
June 9, 2012, 2:02 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Valaire,
Spot on. You put grills here, scary brown people will show up. Hipsters only want the grills for themselves. They will be upset when real folks that were born here show up for the day and want to use the grills. Racist hipsters think the grills are should only be for them.
June 9, 2012, 2:06 pm
Antisocialite says:
Couldn't little Joshy McHipster just pack a lunch to bring to the park? You know, like my mommy used to do for me when I was, like, 6 and went to play tee ball.
June 9, 2012, 4:25 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Antisocialite,
I suppose she could pack some Rice Crispy Treats and Sunny D. Larger point is that they should have packed one for the picnic already. Make no mistake, this is a picnic. A kickball game might break out at a picnic. Lets just call this what it is, an excuse to go to the park, drink some beer, and act cooler than everybody else. No harm there, just don't pretend it's a real sporting event and you need energy to compete at a high level. Plenty of food options in the park and surrounding area. As far as I know they have not managed to run the Ecuadorean hot dog guy out of the north end of the park or has he been replaced by an artisinal kim-chee tofu food truck?
June 9, 2012, 4:57 pm
steve from usa says:
Bruce, really? You were going to stay out of this "thread?"

My people? If i am who think i am then stop complaining about the country "my people" created. You could always go back to where ever you or your parents came from. But instead you would rather attack the "people" who created a place where you could find the good life you live instead of as you say "assimilating" and/or showing respect to the "people" and culture who made your life here possible.

I'm reluctantly with you on the kickball thing. But as an adult i have better things to do than playing with balls, unlike most of the world.

I never go anywhere to save/change anything, sure maybe my kid, but mostly i'm selfish/lazy that way.

The way you stereotype everyone but "you and your's" (without shining the light on yourself) pisses me off also. But I'm guessing self reflection and tolerance is not your strong suits.

Do you actually think i care how much money you make? It could be ten times more or less but it doesn't lend anymore credence to your "argument." Actually shows you to be as douchey as the so called hipsters you're insulting.

You talk about diversity but I don't think you know what the word means.

Can't we all just grill along/among or whatever. Really, get over it... The prejudice you and some others show to new comers to the city is the same kind of prejudice some of them have shown to you. Again there seems to be a pattern...
June 9, 2012, 6:32 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Steve from USA
"the "people" who created a place where you could find the good life". You created this? You? It wasn't the people of NYC and the NYPD under Commissioner Bratton and maybe Guliani? Have you read Freakanomics that actually tells you why crime dropped? You cam in and cleaned up Brookyn. Hey ——, Williamsburg was always a pretty good neighborhood. My family is here since before the Revolution. yeah, no joke. I can look at 1750 property records and see my family name. What the —— did you do to make this a nice place? Move in and raise rents. You did NOTHING. How dare you take credit for someday else labor. Tell me, tell us all, what you personally did to make Williamsburg such a nice place? ——
June 9, 2012, 6:43 pm
steve from usa says:
Hey swampyankee,

Stop putting words in my mouth.

The only thing I've created is my daughter. You didn't read the word IF. It helps if you read the the sentence as a whole.

That you think Bratton and Guliani made the city better speaks a lot.

I only clean my house, not a city.

The only thing i've done to make this a nice place is to treat the people i meet with respect and not be a hypocrite, try it!

My father's family was from amsterdam and here well before 1750.

Many here seem to forget that this country is made of immigrants. So sorry that means from other states too.

Why do you not get that the NYC is not yours to own?

As a citizen i can live where ever i choose in this country, that's something of what this country is about. If you can't hold on to your hood, don't blame me, those are the free market principles you signed up for, thrived by, and now scapegoat.
June 9, 2012, 7:39 pm
SwampYankee from runied Brooklyn says:
Steve,
I am not putting words in you mouth. I am quoting you:
"But instead you would rather attack the "people" who created a place where you could find the good life". I am attacking you and your hipster brethren. Please explain what you quote means? Just who are these "people who created the good life"? Huh? Who are they? The kickball players? I am not putting words in you mouth. I am just making you choke on your lies. These doucebages created nothing. They moved into a nice place and made it not so nice. " the "people" who created a place where you could find the good life" are your words, not mine
June 9, 2012, 7:52 pm
steve from usa says:
I guess you can't read swampcreature. By "create" i'm speaking of the country not brooklyn, and also not of the infrastructure but of what made it all possible (you know, the country that lets people move here, people such as you and me.) i all ready said i don't play any ball sports. like i said before if you don't like the freedoms we all have here to live where we please than please move where you're more comfortable. otherwise you're just going to have to get used to it..........better start getting used to it.
June 9, 2012, 8:59 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
freedom to play kickball while the government bails out banks and the banks turn around and evict people. The largest wealth gap in the history of the nation. A stagnant economy. The police now have the right to strip search anyone for a simple traffic arrest. The government can, and does, tap your phone and read your mail at will. A supreme court that say corporations are people and these corporations throw billions into politics. A TSA that can strip you, and take naked pictures of your children at will. Thanks for those freedoms, better get used to it. You folks are fiddling with kickball while all of your rights and wealth have been stripped away and FauxNews tells you it's all OK. enjoy your grill
June 9, 2012, 9:09 pm
steve from usa says:
hey swamp yankee, except the part about kickball (since i haven't played since grade school) and amazingly enough, i'm with you on the rest. just don't bad mouth the grill.
June 9, 2012, 9:32 pm
Bruce from midwood says:
@ Steve the reason why I mention money and profession is because some of "your people" insinuated here and in regards to the last article that the people who are really from Brooklyn are jealous because they are not professionals and don't have the money to live with in Williamsburg with "you people". So before you open your yap make sure you know what you are talking about and what you are saying you f'ing moron.You are right who cares how much I make ! I was responding to rude stereotypes that"your people" were making with regard to the intelligence and financial ability of real Brooklyn people who commented on these two articles.The reason why I use the term" you people" is because I refer to hipsters as a group just like some of you rudely refer to us as a group.And you do dress and act differently on purpose. YOU know nothing about what was here before you and you don't care.I don't have a clue?No YOU don't have a clue. "You" and "your people" don't change things? You have no idea what you are talking about.You come into neighborhoods and change everything.I know more about diversity than any of your people will know in ten life times. You people come into an area and destroy diversity. You pick an area that is low income and minority and you slowly or quickly push the people out.Self reflection? Hipsters are clearly and outwardly the most self involved group of people I have ever had the misfortune to run across. I see that and hear that with my own eyes.So I will say it again. YOU people come into and area and destroy the great cultural diversity and the great neighborhoods that were there before you.But as I said already people with more will come in and push you out and you will move on. The shame is the neighborhood has already lost because of "you people" and your gentrification tactics. You only change your child? Bedford ave and Manhattan ave etc HAVE been changed but you wouldn't know that would you?You weren't here 15 or 20 years ago. And you don't care either.There are plenty of other new comers to the city that nobody here has a problem with. Africans,Central Americans,Russians,Mexicans and the list goes on. Why is it that nobody complains about these groups ? Because they assimilate , they integrate, they bring great cultures and are great hard working people . They don't destroy they ...say it after me...assimilate.
June 10, 2012, 8:33 am
ty from pp says:
"There are plenty of other new comers to the city that nobody here has a problem with. Africans,Central Americans,Russians,Mexicans and the list goes on."

HAHAHAHAHHA!

Nobody here has a problem with... yeah right. Bruce, you're a joke. And you should learn to edit.
June 10, 2012, 9:46 am
Bruce from midwood says:
@ Ty sorry if my lack of editing is not to your liking. You get my point and thats what counts. This is not a graded paper and you are not important enough for my to waste my time editing.I have no problem with any other group in this city. Sorry if you can't wrap your head around that.You think what you want . We all kno the biggest group of bigots out there are people like you who come into an area kick everyone and everything they don't like out and price those who were there first out.
I walk down Bedford ave and remember all the great markets and restaurants that were there. They are gone now and replaced by for the most part clip joints. All the great polish markets on Manhattan ave gone.You don't know me because I blend in,I do not try to stand out like you a..holes. I go all over this city and I have no problem with any other group. My neighbors are all colors and from many ethnic groupsI live in a diverse area and I like it. I shop in stores that sell Russian,Chinese and Pakistani items and I make an attempt to learn their languages and their foods.You people come in and wipe all of that away.YOU are a pompous racist a..hole who can't imagine enjoying other cultures and if someone says they do you find it hard to believe because you can't yourself. You are the real racists here not us.You are the real joke my friend.Heres the thing you don't know my friend. I am a member of more than one of those"minority" groups you kick out of your areas. I am a product of the diverse culture that is Brooklyn. So before you call someone a bigot know of what you speak you jerk. On the other hand I can speak of you all being bigots because you are of of one racial group and you dress act and look alike on purpose. Not unlike a cult.
June 10, 2012, 10:33 am
Bruce from midwood says:
BTW what is it with all "you people" needing everything to be "artisanal"?
June 10, 2012, 11:35 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Are there worse people in the world than third generation New Yorkers?
June 10, 2012, 1:36 pm
bruce from midwood says:
First generation hipsters
June 10, 2012, 1:46 pm
manhatposeur from manhatland says:
Hey swamp yankee stop denying the fact that not all hipster are monocolored white people. There are brown people, AZN's, and yes black people in this tribe.
Ironically you claim that they are racist but the old school white folks like those Italians & Poles or hassids arent the most inclusive people.
YOu know what hipster have made all of bnorth brooklyn safe for peopelto do inane things from riding your bike against traffic to kickball in the park.
Besides almost all the hipsters would be into grilling in the park. Grilled veggies for the vegans and sweet chili grilled pork for me!
June 10, 2012, 2:16 pm
BunnynSunny from Clinton Hill says:
Why is all the news on BP for Clinton Hill & Fort Greene about muggers and thugs? We've got loads of hipsters but they don't make it any safer.
June 10, 2012, 2:24 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty, you are an idiot. You make our point for us:

"There are plenty of other new comers to the city that nobody here has a problem with. Africans,Central Americans,Russians,Mexicans and the list goes on."

That's right. Nobody has a problem with other races or immigrants expect the hipsters. Nobody minds any other group except the hipsters. People hate hipsters. Look at the comments. most immigrants work hard and fit in the neighborhood without trying to change it. Hell, sometimes they try and assimilate. Hipsters want every thing to change for them. I don't remember the Africans,Central Americans,Russians,Mexicans or any other group in the history of Brooklyn moving in and saying: "this is ——ed up...you have to give us bike lanes" or I can't eat this, I need artisinal organic food" or " you know what this places lacks? Bee hives, lets add behives" or "wow we can play ball in the sun in peace, not good enough, I need grills because I can't live with the food everybody else eats". Everybody made due without complaint except
June 10, 2012, 4:14 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
manhatposeur,
Lets start with your quote: "hipster have made all of bnorth brooklyn safe"

Please tell me some specific things the hipsters have done to make North Brooklyn safe? Be very specific and include descriptive actions. Moving in and paying high rent does not count. Cite specific instances of actions taken to reduce crime, make ambulances come sooner, make the quality of life higher (making loud drunken noises late at night does not help your case), encourage understanding and diversity or create and participate in events that pull all members of the neighborhood together. Oh, and creating your ——ty art does not count. It's not art and nobody likes it. What have you got? Nothing. Hipsters take all and give nothing. Thanks for adding to the litter problem, reducing parking and clogging up the L train. Hipsters = Cancer
June 10, 2012, 4:32 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- No, you're right. Immigrants have always found Brooklyn to be an inviting Shangri La. And you're right, it would be awful if a group of people moved to an area and introduced their own culture, food, social customs.... oh, wait, hmmm.... no, you're right. That doesn't happen in Brooklyn. Brooklyn emerged the way it is 2000 years ago and hasn't changed. It was a gift from god. Each neighborhood was preordained in the Book of Life to have a certain character and ethnic/racial make up.

What fantasy are you remembering? I know you think Brooklyn has been 'ruined' but based on what?!
June 10, 2012, 8:34 pm
manhatposeur from manhaatland says:
Ill tell you why there's plenty of thuggery in the projects its because you have a concentration of angry low income people. Smash those projects and disperse those people into smaller subsidized housing.
June 10, 2012, 8:58 pm
Great Caesar's Ghost from The Ivory Tower says:
Special thanks to sledgehammer.

http://caesarsghost.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/brooklynites-protest-ban-of-adult-duck-duck-goose-league-in-mccarren-park/
June 10, 2012, 11:09 pm
brucea from midwood says:
@ Great Ceasar , Thank you for making my day!!
June 11, 2012, 6:27 am
Mickey Shea from Greenpoint says:
Solar grills...heh heh...that's priceless.
June 11, 2012, 10:13 am
Jörg Asmuphinn from Southern North Brooklyn says:
The pendulum always swings back.
June 11, 2012, 1:51 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Solar_Grill

http://www.mealwormfarm.com/hqsolar/hqsolargrillonline.html
June 11, 2012, 5:47 pm
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Where are all the concerns about dangerous charcoal spewing breathable cancer where children will dive into grills and gargle hot charcoal - nowhere because no brown people may be there - white whine - i would love to see you guys in brooklyn in 1974 (or parents for that matter - shoot i may be your father )) you would wet your pants
June 11, 2012, 9:59 pm
Terri from 11222 says:
Because Old Time, if any of us BBQ smoke and hot coal hating people (of which there are MANY both new and old) really thought there was a snowball's chance in hell that the parks department would get some grills for the hipsters like they did for the downtrodden and super scary colored folk in the Cooper Park Houses; we would be arguing all those points here. Hipsters are hated pretty universally, even by their own. The elitist pigs at OSA/Brooklyn Brewery are too preoccupied with their concerts now to be bothered with this.
June 12, 2012, 10:21 am
"Interloper" from Kent Ave says:
SwampYankee, Old Time, Bruce, UrHypocrites and other similar folks...just because "your family has been here since 1750" doesn't give you any street cred. Additionally, you're probably lying about that anyways or at minimum stretching the truth to an egregious extent.

I'm a born and raised New Yorker and I'm a fan of all the kickball fun. Not a player myself but I have friends that do and they have a great time and its a fun social / mildly athletic activity. It's certainly not a real sport but why make such a big deal out of it...? Also, why are there grills at Cooper and not at McCarren? I'm all for the grilling as long as people clean up after themselves. I don't think the hipsters playing kickball are worried about "brown people" using them too. That's a pretty stupid assumption.

Also SwampYankee...way to go superjock...congrats on your ability to brag about all the "real sports" you play. I was the captain of my college rugby team and your analysis of athleticism is absurd. Pretty much everything you say is not only anti-social and douchey but completely asinine. You were probably one of those gym class heroes that tried (and failed) to get the school sit-ups record or "ace" the fitness test. Way to go Jack LaLanne...

Furthermore, the claims that the newer residents to Williamsburg are inherently racist because they are mostly white is utter nonsense and totally un-true and just stupid. You must be all hopped up on bath salts or something sketchy like that to be that misguided.
June 12, 2012, 4:06 pm
John from Williamsburg says:
Absolutly no grilling should be allowed , just like the law for the park states. Bring your food with you instead of leaving your trash.
June 18, 2012, 10:21 pm
piso from GP says:
I totally agree with all of you. KICKBALL SUCKS.
June 20, 2012, 5:13 pm
bknative from parkslope says:
Just by the amount of comments to this article clearly shows that "HIPSTERS SHOULD GO HOME!!!!!!"
Sept. 6, 2012, 6:42 pm
Mayth from Willaimsburg says:
This thread is hilarious. I came to this article because I want to grill in the park and have a little mini grill. I noticed several people grilling there last week and didn't seem like they were getting bite red by any authorities. While
I understand the rules and reasons for them, I don't the see the harm in grilling at the park. Do "authorities" just turn a blind eye? I live 2 blocks from McCarren and would LOvE to scoot my little grill down there. (And I'm not a hipster or a trust funder, thank you very much.
June 26, 2013, 11:55 am
Mayth from Willaimsburg says:
This thread is hilarious. I came to this article because I want to grill in the park and have a little mini grill. I noticed several people grilling there last week and didn't seem like they were getting bite red by any authorities. While
I understand the rules and reasons for them, I don't the see the harm in grilling at the park. Do "authorities" just turn a blind eye? I live 2 blocks from McCarren and would LOvE to scoot my little grill down there. (And I'm not a hipster or a trust funder, thank you very much.
June 26, 2013, 11:55 am

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