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Why is there no good Chinese food in Brownstone Brooklyn?

for The Brooklyn Paper

The Year of the Dragon is supposed to be a fruitful and auspicious year, according to the Chinese Zodiac — and plenty of brownstone Brooklyn foodies are hoping some of that luck goes toward improving their neighborhoods’ dismal Chinese food offerings.

It’s true: Brooklyn boasts a hot, spicy, and vibrant Chinese food scene in Sunset Park, known for hole-in-the-wall noodle shops like Yun Nan Flavor Snack Shop, banquet-style meccas like Lucky Eight, and fish-ball-hawkers like the Kalaka Cafe. But in the northern parts of the borough, there’s a devastating dearth of everything from pot stickers to pork buns.

Chinese restaurants in neighborhoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill and Williamsburg have, for the most part, remained dreary, uninspiring delivery joints while their culinary neighbors have surged, gaining praise in the hometown press and beyond.

As is the case with most everything in the city, the problem with Chinese food in Brooklyn comes down to real estate, according to Brooklyn-based food writer Ya Roo Yang, , who has written extensively on Asian cuisine for publications including the New York Times, Edible and Chow.

“If you want authentic at a reasonable price point, then it all has to do with the immigration pattern and real estate prices,” said Ya Roo Yang. “Most authentic Chinese food tends to cater towards the immigrant population (legal or otherwise) and they tend to live in the outer boroughs where the rent is cheap and there is already an established community.”

Inside these immigrant enclaves, like Sunset Park’s Eighth Avenue, Bensonhurst’s Avenue U and Sheepshead Bay along 86th Street and Bay Parkway, there’s plenty of great Chinese food.

But in parts of the borough with fewer Chinese residents, simple economics forces restauranteurs to make blander food.

“Outside of these communities, authentic Chinese food can’t gather enough customers to survive,” said Ya Roo Yang. “The restaurant owner must cater to everyone else, so Chinese food becomes diluted to have mass appeal.”

That said, detemining what’s “authentic” can be harder than choosing whether to order steamed dumplings or fried dumplings.

With more than a dozen discrete varieties from different parts of the country — not to mention Americanized versions of Chinese cuisine — it can be hard to define the difference between Chinese food and real Chinese food.

“There are dozens of types of Chinese food, and the most delicious items don’t appear on lists you often see,” said Jeff Yang, a columnist for the Wall Street Journal and media consultant for Iconoclast, a firm that targets Asian consumers. “There’s no General Tso’s Chicken — you can’t do that if you open that type of restaurant where the majority of the population is not only not from your part of China, but not from China at all.”He claims that the much-maligned Chinese eateries that are ubiquitous in brownstone Brooklyn would seem foreign if they were actually located in China.

“[That] weird mix of Sichuan, Hunan and American that you would never recognize in China; that Chinese food is as American as apple pie,” he said.

Many immigrants pursue the American dream by opening restaurants when they arrive in the country, but their children aren’t always interested in continuing the business.

“Second-generaton Chinese will be more educated than their parents who own a restaurant,” said John Jung, author of “Sweet and Sour: Life in Chinese Family Restaurants.” “They have college degrees, and maybe they grew up helping out in the restaurant but afterwards, they have better ways of earning a living.”

But the children of immigrant restauranteurs who do stay in the restaurant business might be Brownstone Brooklyn’s only hope, approaching Chinese cooking with a greater awareness of American food trends and a broader understanding — and willingness to challenge — the tastes of a borough-wide clientele.

Late last year, Melissa and Eric Har, both first-generation Americans born of Chinese immigrants, opened a Chinese restaurant on N. 6th Street in Williamsburg called The Wok Shop.

Melissa grew up in a Chinese restaurant her father owned in Manhattan’s Chinatown, where she worked as a clerk since the age of 14. In Williamsburg, though, she and her husband — who graduated from culinary school — are going in a different direction.

“We opened a Chinese restaurant because we wanted Chinese food and couldn’t find any outside of Chinatown,” Melissa said. “We want it to be better for you, healthier for you.”

“It isn’t authentic,” Eric added. “I come from an Italian cooking background. But it’s from my memories; it’s Chinese food through the lens of a Chinese-American.”

Reader Feedback

Clara from Bed-Stuy says:
It just amazes me how when this paper talks about Brownstone Brooklyn, it so conveniently leaves out Bedford-Stuyvesant pretty much all of the time, particularly considering Bed-Stuy is the neighborhood with the highest concentration of brownstones in, not just Brookyn but, all of NYC.

Hmmm. I wonder why? Let's take a guess...

Anyway, I can name two EXCELLENT chinese food restaurants tucked away in our nabe right off the bat! But I'll keep that to myself and my neighbors. Have fun scrounging for secular pleasures in places like Billyburg and, (ahem), Park Slope (just thinking about it made me throw up in my mouth a little). lolol.
Jan. 28, 1:20 pm
Cecil Brooks from Meadow Winds says:
Andy's on Montague has excellent Chinese food for some of the cheapest prices on this planet. It's the appeal to one's palate that matters, so who cares if it's not "authentic" Chinese food? The food at Andy's is absolutely delicious and speaks better for itself than a lot of the so-called authentic fare, I bet.
Jan. 28, 2:07 pm
Ginny from Sheepshead Bay says:
Just an FYI: Avenue U is NOT in Bensonhurst, nor is 86th street and Bay Parkway in Sheepshead Bay. It's the other way around and when talking about Brooklyn neighborhoods for a Brooklyn paper, you should make darn well sure to get it right. But then again, that's never been an expectation for papers based in Northern Brooklyn and Manhattan anyway.

That said, great quotes from great sources.
Jan. 28, 5:56 pm
John from Bed S says:
Hey Clara,

It leaves out Bedford-Stuyvesant, because it is mostly a residential area with low concentration of restaurants. that's plain simple. maybe you were playing the victim?

wtf
Jan. 28, 9:23 pm
Hung Dong Wang from Chinatown says:
This no is Chinese!
Jan. 29, 11:53 am
John from Bed S says:
Poonis for sale
Jan. 29, 3:54 pm
Cecil Brooks from Meadow Winds says:
I wonder if Seinfeld has an opinion on this topic?
Jan. 29, 7:39 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Time for some white guy with a nose ring, a soul patch, birth control glasses, and a hat too small for him to get a truck and a wok, so the paper can pronounce it 'yummy' and he can charge $12. for fried rice.

He can park it on the street and run the engine all day.
Jan. 29, 10:27 pm
Not Goish from Prospect Heights says:
Because Time Warner Cable took away the MSG?
Jan. 29, 10:30 pm
John from Ditmas Park says:
Wretched Coney Island Avenue needs any kind of sit down restaurant---even a chain would do. Also, Washington Avenue near the Brooklyn Museum and Union Street near Grand Avenue Plaza are desperately restaurant bereft.
Jan. 30, 1:49 am
Daveinbedstuy from bed stuy says:
Yeah, this article was really off base about a number of things. Not sure the writer actually has a clue.
Jan. 30, 8:43 am
Patrick from Williamsburg says:
#1) williamsburg is not part of Brownstone Brooklyn and #2) the Wok Shop opened on N10th street, not N6th.
Jan. 30, 8:47 am
Julia from Sunset Park says:
Sunset Park IS PART OF BROWNSTONE BROOKLYN! Williamsburg is not. What a stupid headline.
Jan. 30, 9:25 am
Mark from B Hill says:
I had to travel all the way into Manhattan yesterday for my fix of real Sichuan cooking. Nothing in my part of Brooklyn comes remotely close. Someone mentioned Andy's which is consistent but bland with little real Chinese spicing or ingredients.
Jan. 30, 10:35 am
Bay Ridger from Bay Ridge says:
What are birth control glasses?
Jan. 30, 12:45 pm
Mike from Park Slope says:
If people want real chinese food, Flushing is the place to go. I find a lot of chinese restaurants in manhattan and Brooklyn to be pretty bland.

I also find that a lot of people don't understand what good Chinese food is. Every time I run into someone who thinks they like Asian food, all they ever mention is sushi, Thai, or Dim Sum...and that's pretty much what their taste buds allow.
Jan. 30, 2:21 pm
Marathoner from Park Slope says:
Have you checked out Tofu on 7th in Park Slope? Authentic Sichuan food. Better than Metro in Sunset Park.

http://www.tofuon7thbrooklyn.com/

Here's a Chowhound thread about it.

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/820932
Jan. 30, 5:37 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
What are birth control glasses?

Black horn rims, the kind you get for free from your insurance company, or pay a lot for if you are a hipster. (Think Lincoln Restler)

Nobody will sleep with you.
Jan. 30, 6:08 pm
pr from kensington says:
at least they're open on Christmas.
Jan. 31, 9:10 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
China is a diverse place. Northern cuisine is more wheat and millet based, Southern cuisine is more rice-based. Sichuan is spicy. There's truly room for them all in "Brownstone Brooklyn."

It does require a modicum of trust in the palates of their target markets. I'm sure many Chinese restaurateurs believe the only sustainable markets for their specialties are in the three Chinatowns in NYC. But there are quite a few folks who understand and savor the difference: Despite some passing, superficial similarities, the regional cuisines of China can be treated as distinct countries. There is no such thing as "Northern Thai" and "Southern Thai," only "Thai." But that same cannot be said of China or India. Their histories, geographies, and culinary traditions, make for distinct experiences.

Honor those and express them, and you will be rewarded with loyal customers who are not Chinese.
Jan. 31, 11:04 am
Cynthia from Clinton Hill says:
Kum Kau Kitchen in Clinton Hill,i would say is the best.
Jan. 31, 7:49 pm
Clara from Bed-Stuy says:
Hey "John from Bed S," don't be silly: The article is not entitled, "Why is there no good Chinese food in Neighborhoods with a High Concentration of Restaurants?" It's entitled, "Why is there no good Chinese food in Brownstone Brooklyn?"

I repeat: Bed-Stuy has the highest concentration of brownstones in all of New York City. ERGO, it is remiss to write an article about brownstone Brooklyn and so blatantly leave out Bed-Stuy. And we have plenty of restaurants. Maybe not in comparison to Park Slope, which is overrun by Restaurants. But definitely enough to include in a survey.

No, I am not playing victim. I am pointing out a truth! You guys kill me the way you think that slapping us with the "Stop crying victim" claim is an airtight argument. Funny how when you snarky gentrifiers point out errors in stories, it's erudite. When we do it, we're playing victim. Go sit down somewhere and suck your thumb. You have an infantile mind.
Feb. 1, 10:29 am

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