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A young generation attended Brooklyn’s Sept. 11 ceremonies and survivors worried that the impact of that day might get lost

Not forgotten: Brooklynites mark Sept. 11 at ceremonies throughout the borough

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Solemn tribute: Firefighters from Ladder 169 listen to a roll call of the deceased at Bill Brown Park in Sheepshead Bay.
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Tender touch: A mourner fingers a mural dedicated to a lost loved one at Bill Brown Park.
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True colors: Brooklyn patriots gather on the 69th Street Pier to honor the memories of the dead.
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New generation: Adela Rossochacki, 3, of Bay Ridge, waves a flag of remembrance on Sept. 11 at the 69th Street Pier.
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Candleight vigil: Dyker Heights resident Stefani O’Connor listens intently during twilight 12th-anniversary ceremonies on the 69th Street Pier.
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Up, up, and away: Girl scouts from Troop 2511 at Good Shepherd Church release commemorative balloons in Marine Park after the memorial.
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Sober serenade: U.S. Army Sgt. Louis Licalzi sings a poignant rendition at Marine Park of “When you say you love me.”
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Solemn salute: Army members at Fort Hamilton Army salute the flag in honor of Sept. 11 victims.
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Penant bearers: Master Sgt. John Comacho participates in flag-folding rites at Fort Hamilton on the 12th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
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Bugle call: Sgt. Aggrey Benn plays taps at Fort Hamilton Army Base.
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Never forget: Nora Dessi attends the memorial at the Brooklyn Wall of Remembrance, where she stands and reflects by the plaque honoring her late son-in-law FDNY Lt. Michael Russo of Brooklyn’s Squad 1 in Park Slope.

They said to never forget — and we haven’t.

Yesterday, hundreds of Brooklynites assembled at parks, piers, and institutions across the borough to remember the nearly 3,000 people who died on the 12th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Firefighters from Engine 246 Ladder 169 in Brighton Beach joined flag-waving patriots at Sheepshead Bay’s Bill Brown Park for the annual tribute, held in a ball field against the backdrop of a giant mural dedicated to the deceased.

Among this year’s attendees were Brooklynites who were not even born when the attacks happened.

At Marine Park, Jacqueline Cox, 9, proudly donned the hat of her firefighter father, while girls scouts from Troop 2511 released yellow balloons into the air.

Army service members continued the sobering rites at Fort Hamilton Army Base, where soldiers and personnel raised the flag to mark the memories.

Nora Dessi of Queens grew misty-eyed in front of the Brooklyn Wall of Remembrance in Coney Island, as she fingered the plaque of fire department Lt. Michael Russo, her late son-in-law, and worried that memory of the attacks might fade.

“Will the next generation continue the memorials, or will they forget?” she asked.

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Ethan from Park Slope says:
No, we have not forgotten.
Sept. 12, 2013, 3:54 pm
Barb from Brooklyn says:
We remember what happened twelve years ago. It's premature to congratulate ourselves for having long memories.
Sept. 13, 2013, 1:27 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I can still remember when I was on the Throgs Neck Bridge when the attacks occurred that day. I could actually see the smoke from there. When I got to my college, this was all over the place as it was big headlines. While I do give my condolences to those that died that day, I still feel that the right way to answer back at the terrorist is to have back what they have taken from us, which is the Twin Towers, rather than having what is being there right now, which I find as nothing more as illegitimate replacement. The way I see it, the only message I can see the official plan giving is that we didn't just allow the terrorists to get away with murder, but we also let them change us forever by having something much less and with fear as well. You can probably use the vanity height the spire represents to hang a white flag on it as we let them win by taking away a worldwide symbol.
Sept. 13, 2013, 6:18 pm
Mike Dennis from Marine Park says:
I love the picture of the girl with her dad's hat on so innocent. God Bless the FDNY and NYPD
Sept. 13, 2013, 8:46 pm
jay from nyc says:
Tal you are an idiot. You, of all people to talk about a white flag. You won't even answer a question and offer proof that the BDS is involved with terrorists and nazis, that is atotal white flag, and you left a country to avoid military service that regularly deals with the issue of terrorism, and yet you dare to talk about the freedom tower as a white flag?
Go tell that to all of the many many the guys who actually quit their jobs, signed up, went to Afghanistan, and then came home to build the Freedom Tower. Go and tell them they are a white flag and see what happens to your stupid face.
Go and tell that to all the guys who worked on the pile after 9/11 and then helped build the freedom tower. Go and tell that to anyone who was involved in any of it, while you sat half a state away in your car during the attacks and then afterward DID NOTHING for the last 12 YEARS.
Go peddle your fantasy somewhere else.
Sept. 13, 2013, 9:29 pm
Jerry from Dyker Heights says:
Sheesh, Tal defaced this thread, too?

This guy is unreal -- living in W'chester (with mom and dad, amirite?) and obsessing re: What NYCers Should Do to make him happy.
Sept. 13, 2013, 11:14 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I have done numerous things for my cause to have the Twin Towers rebuilt ever since they fell. I have attended numerous hearings on this not to mention gotten numerous letters to the editor on the NY Post, Daily News, and even the Downtown Express. I even got my essay placed in PBS's America Rebuilds back in 2002 on the one year anniversary, and they don't just pick anyone. BTW, there have been polls on MSNBC back in 2005 and in 2009 that have shown more want that Twin Towers rebuilt than what was being planned with both being in a landslide. I can still remember when I went to a hearing known as Aftershock where one of the LMDC members cut the microphone on me just because they didn't want to hear a pro-Towers statement. Not that long ago, I even got into a book with many other pro-Towers advocates known as Debacle: Failing to Rebuild the Twin Towers, by Joe Wright, and you can even download that on Kindle. Just to let you know, the WTC site is owned by the PANYNJ, which is a bi-state agency. In other words, I do get a say on the WTC site especially when I am paying taxes to them as well, and I don't like the official plan at all. Of course the costs for what is being planned but they don't care, because they can just hike the tolls on their crossings and fares on their transit to meet those costs and they wouldn't care less about hurting their commuters for this. As a matter of fact, when it was called the Freedom Tower, that was a mockery to its name especially when freedom didn't even describe the process that picked knowing that it was picked behind closed doors and the real decisions was made in a backroom despite how much the public despised the plans. It only reaches 1,776 feet with that long spire, but not with real height, which is why the CTBUH considers it as only vanity height. The only thing this so-called One WTC symbolizes to me is fear, greed, narcissism, and surrender. Then again, there will always be those who feel that the end will justify the means just as long as they get what they want. On a side note, I said something like that over on the NY Times City Room section, and it managed to get a NY Times Pick, which is also not just given to anyone. For the record, I haven't been quiet on what was going on the WTC site, so now I want to hear if you did anything for that or were you just sitting on the sidelines and in the shadows that whole time.
Sept. 14, 2013, 4:56 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal the only thing you symbolize is stupid. And I don't have to justify or explain what I did, but I can tell you it was a HELL of a lot more than going to a meeting, and I have the medals to prove it. Clown.
Sept. 14, 2013, 7:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I was talking about fighting to get back the buildings that was taken from us that day, which was the Twin Towers, not serving a war, but I take it that you can't seem tell the difference, and I still hate every part of the official plan, because it's like saying it was a good thing that it was destroyed that day.
Sept. 14, 2013, 10:09 pm
jay from nyc says:
Oh Tal, I missed the part where you had an ownership stake in the the twin towers. Silly me, I thought the PA privatized and leased them to Silverstein in a deal that closed closed on July 24, 2001 after he paid a big amount of money for those rights.
The terms of the lease specifically granted Sliverstein the right and the obligation to rebuild if the buildings were damaged or destroyed. He paid for those rights and gets the say Tal, not you.
Silverstein negotiated the rights to build the freedom tower BACK to the PA. In other words he agreed to give it back those rights after the PA put together a package, pitched it, and then made a deal on terms with Silverstein where he would give up those rights that HE was NOT obligated to take and SILVERSTEIN (I.E. NOT TAL) agreed to the deal when HE decided the Freedom Tower was a workable and viable project that would work well with the other buildings he was going to rebuild. Oh and Silversteind also built the original #7 tower.
What exactly did you do Tal? Oh that's right, you got cut off from speaking at a meeting when it was clear you had nothing worthwhile to say. Very valuable contribution there Tal. I will sleep better at night now. That is really doing a lot in the last 12 years. Wow.
How much did you pay to buy into the lease for the twin towers? Oh, Nothing? Then it was not taken from you, it was not your property and you have ZERO rights in it.
Second, how is putting up a new buildings with a huge national scale memorial on the site like "saying its good that it was destroyed"? That is ridiculous and make no sense and is simply stupid on its face.
No Tal you did not fight to get back the buildings that were "taken back from us", you went to a meeting to argue for a different version of a plan on what to do with the site, which silverstein was under no legal obligation to accept, he could have easily done what have the heck he felt like doing in accordance with the lawful lease he paid for. Not the same thing and YOU don't get the difference. In addition, you think your version of the plan was more important than the people who were their and survived the attacks, and those who actually lost family members and coworkers and the nation itself, and the rightful legal lease owner, all of whom felt there needed to be a significant memorial on the site.
As usual Tal, you were wrong, and your version of the plan was not decided upon because it did not take into account a little thing called reality.
Finally Tal, without people willing to serve, you would not even have gone to your stupid meeting, so lets get that straight.
Again, you sat half a state away during the attacks and in the 12 years since the attacks you have done NOTHING except bad mouth and attempt to tear down others who get up every day and go to work to try and get things done and have gotten things done.
By the way Tal, you finish filling out that W-2 yet?
Sept. 15, 2013, 12:47 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, you still don't get anything. Silverstien was the majority leaseholder, which is why his name came up so much, but the site is always to be owned by the PANYNJ, because it's their property to begin with. Saying that the Freedom Tower is viable is joke if you asked me especially when the costs for it went up make it a boondoggle. Economically, rebuilding the Twin Towers even with better safety modifications was found to cost a lot less compared to what was planned. I don't support rebuilding them status-quo antebellum, I support having them with updated safety modifications, and for more on that, you can look at the Belton-Gardner Plan over at triroc.com/wtc about that plan. For the record, I didn't come up with that plan, Ken Gardner and the late Herbert Belton, who died in 2005, made that plan, but they did know what the people really wanted, and that was having the Twin Towers rebuilt. Just to let you know, if you bothered to read Section 23.4 under Article 23 of the Restoration Alternative, it states that rebuilding the Twin Towers is still an active option. Another thing is that there is no call to take down what is already there, just to have them built where the other two buildings are still left in limbo since it doesn't look like they will be done anytime soon. On the official plan, it's not just the buildings that I despise, there is also the memorial, museum, and the station house that I find wrong as well. The memorial gives nothing but a vapid reminder of what happens, and it costs quite a fortune to run it, not to mention that the fountains will give a reminder of the planes hitting by the sound they are making. Most found the museum to be nothing more of a freak show as well as the admission price to be expensive. Meanwhile, the station house was completely unnecessary as most commuters wouldn't be seeing it anyway as they are going to the subway from there, plus it was a net money loser according to the IBO. Overall, rebuilding the Twin Towers with a more appropriate memorial would cost a fraction compared to all of that. Even worse, wouldn't destroying the super block, actually make the site more vulnerable to a possible vehicle bomb? Keep in mind that terrorists have a history of forging IDs to get through certain checkpoints without any problems. Overall, you will probably say that the end will justify the means as an excuse to defend what went on as well as claim that not everyone can be pleased. However, this isn't about pleasing everyone, it's about cheating them. The only thing I can even think about the so-called Freedom Tower in representing freedom is that those in charge had the 'freedom' to override the public against their wishes in what they really wanted, which was having the Twin Towers rebuilt, and I know this from many of the hearings I attended on this, so I have heard it from the horse's mouth. IMHO, I do see the so-called 1 WTC as the equivalence to building a statue of Osama bin Laden as if he was thanked for making it all possible.
Sept. 15, 2013, 3:56 pm
jay from nyc says:
wow, you argue building the freedom tower and the memorial is the same thing as building a statute of OSB.
There are ZERO facts to support that opinion.
No Tal its you who does not understand anything about property law or leases. The PA signed away its rights to the lease holder Silverstein, which were paid for, and PA granted those rights to silverstein. PA just can't then ignore the lease which they themselves got paid for, and pretend they did not bargain away those rights, that is illegal and so it what you assert, and despite your drivel, the law actually is relevant.
The only thing that you got right is that the cost of admission is expensive to some people. Beyond that, it is as I said earlier, you are mad because the plan you want was not adopted and Silverstein was under NO legal obligation to accept any plan or to give back any rights which he had already paid for to the PA for reconstruction or new construction, and instead adopted a different plan which he was free to do, and you have nothing to say about it, as you had nothing to do with any of it and no property interest or legal right in any of it.
Again Tal, simply put, you do not understand the concept of legal.
Sept. 15, 2013, 5:13 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I take it you were living under a rock on the entire process. The LMDC had hearings that would have decided what should be built. As a person who HAS actually been to the hearings, nobody liked what wound up being there let alone anything before it. They wanted back what was taken that day compared to what is there now. I even held up a copy of the LMDC's official poll that showed how much it wasn't supported. Pataki tried to pretend he knew nothing about it, while Alexander Garvin claimed it wasn't being used. As for Silverstien, he had the option to rebuild the Twin Towers as he was by the insurance companies, but chose not to despite that and the insurance doesn't cover anything else. BTW, he wouldn't have gotten enough money to build what was planned even if he won the lawsuit hoping to get it for being two attacks rather than one. Nevertheless, the PANYNJ still owns the property itself, which still makes it public property. I have always found it ironic on those who say that rebuilding the Twin Towers is disrespect for building on that site, but have no problems with what is going there now, which is just as equally disrespecting in that it's also buildings. If you say that the families that lost someone don't want them back because it will remind them of their lost ones, I beg to differ, because I know a number of them that think differently of that, plus a number of them signed the petition over on the Twin Towers Alliance website, which throws that claim out the window. In other words, not all of them agreed with Septembers Mission, who was headed by the infamous Monica Iken, which is a small minority of them.
Sept. 15, 2013, 7:44 pm
Jay from nyc says:
no Tal, Silverstein got a lease which gives him rights that PA no longer had as of July 24, 2001. That means you have nothing to say about it past that date, and Silverstein gets to do what he wants. A contract is a contract is a contract and that is the law. Your little meeting and holding up a copy of an unscientific public opinion poll and little petition does not change that. Sheeesh.
Sept. 15, 2013, 8:12 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, once again you tend skewer the argument around. Silverstien was originally supposed to be committed to rebuilding the Twin Towers as the insurance provided for it, but he choose not to. However, no matter who holds the majority of the lease is still not the owner of the site itself, and it will always be of the PANYNJ. The hearings were headed by the LMDC themselves, not anyone else. Nevertheless, they were nothing but shams as the real decisions were made behind closed doors. What I held up at the Winter Garden when Pataki was announcing Daniel Liebeskind the winner was a printout of the Imagine NY Poll that the LMDC said that was supposed to determine the winner, but he chose to override it when the results weren't in favor especially with 2/3 of the vote going for neither. Libeskind was even picked as a finalists despite his plan originally ranking dead last among the original eight. Seriously, what would be a better way to tell your children or grandchildren about what goes there? Would it sound better to say that they were rebuilt but only stronger, or that something less like that official plan or some huge memorial went there instead? It's sort of like saying that a worldwide symbol was destroyed, and they will probably say this, "If they were truly a worldwide symbol, then why weren't they just rebuilt rather than having all of this instead?" Just imagine if either the Empire State Building or Statue of Liberty got destroyed and those in charge didn't want them rebuilt. Would your statements be different or the same as they are now? I say this because there is a good chance it will place a double standard. Perhaps, the reason you try to think that I am just complaining about what's going on the site probably because you have only been following it just now when I have been since the beginning, which is a huge different. Then again, trying to explain to you the actual story on this is sort of the equivalence of trying to get the Muslim Brotherhood to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Sept. 16, 2013, 3:51 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, you have a long history of attacking pro-Towers supporters like myself in saying that we are dellusional to still think that there is a still a chance. I have never called FT supporters dellusional or nutjobs for what they support. I can refuse to accept whatever I want. The fact that FT was picked behind closed doors gives my the right to call it the names I choose. Everyone knows that Osama bin Laden will be very happy if the Twins are not rebuilt, and the FT will have him believe that symbols are expendable allowing for him to attack more b/c he would think that nobody cares about them. People always make so many assumptions and stereotypes on me for whatever side I take. Apparantley, if I am for rebuilding Twins, I am considered being against new designs like the FT. Just cut with this already. Never have I said I am against new designs and the plan by Herbert Belton and Kenneth Garden is hardly status-quo ante-bellum. This isn't the first time people have said these things at me, and I have heard it on other things. If I am against a number of projects, then am I considered anti-developement. What am I going to hear next? If I am against the Iraq War, I am against the troops and support Saddam Hussien. If I feel that the Democrats are a better political party, then I must be supporting Al Qadea or other terrorist groups. Especially, if I feel that Israel has a right to exist as a nation, then I must be in favor of apartheid on non-Jews. This is the typical smear campaigning your oppenents to make it feel that they are wrong about what side they take, so that they can win easily w/o having to try hard with stating why their views are better. First off, I do NOT force anyone to agree with my statements. I have nothing people who disagree with me, but when they call me an idiot for having a different view, that is where the personal attacks are made. I will never forget the person who referred to me as the Grand Cyclops of Ground Zero, which is very insulting. Others have tooken my PBS's America Rebuilds Essay and mentioned it as if only someone misguided would write such a thing, and that really hurts my feelings b/c people around the world read that and were proud of what I wrote, which is why I use it as a way for people to know me at hearings. Someone even said that I have been be spurting me ilk, which sounds like a hit below the belt when it comes to stating an opinion. If you wish to like the FT, then I won't stop you, but you must still respect the fact that I would rather see the Twins rebuilt, which is my view. As for the politicians, if you read my letters they are compliants to them as well as the transcripts from public hearings. Calling someone pathetic for fighting for what they believe in is very insulting and I insist that you invert what you said about that. As long as there are people like myself who still believe, then nothing is a lost cause. BTW, there are other pro-Towers advocates besides me are still fighting for having the Twins rebuilt, so I am not alone here, and I do insist that you listen to the radio interview that Magret Donnavon and Richard Hughes got recently before making any further judgements. Remember, Jane Jacobs was claimed to fight a loosing battel against the Lower Manhattan Expwy against Robert Moses with the odds against her, but she wound up winning in the end. The same thing can be with those who were against the West Side Stadium. Even the people at DDDB believe that there is still a reason to fight the Atlantic Yds complex by Bruce Ratner despite all the odds, and I support them to. By your logic, then maybe it is also a lost cause for the people who are fighting for the existance of Israel, b/c half the world doesn't want it to exist. Again cut with the personal attacks. As a native of Israel, I know what is like to loose someone in a terrosit attack, b/c it happens quite constantly over there. The terrorist attacks back in Israel predate what has happened in the US, especially with the late Shiek Amahad Yassin, who was the spiritual leader of Hamas. Also, terrorism is not defined by the number of those dead, but by how it is taken in the aftermath. By your logic, everything in Israel that was attacked by terrorists should be a memorial espeically when it occurrs in actual places. This is not playing the terrorist or Israel card or whatever you call it, this is speaking on the experience of terrorism. Before 9/11, people claimed that Israel was a paranoid nation in its response to terrorism. Also, Israel has been dealing with terrorism long before Osama Bin Laden made the headlines, and that is no lie. The only difference here is that skyscrapers can brought back from the dead b/c they are inorgant as oppossed to people who are organic. I do give my condolences to those who lost someone, and I am not trying to be selfish by wanting the Twins rebuilt. Half of your posts aimed at me are perosnal attacks. I have my views on issues like what should go on the WTC site, and you have yours. Learn to live with the opposition, b/c message boards allow for both sides of the issue whether you are pleased with them or not. If I want to view the FT as an ilegitimate replacement or a monunment to Osama Bin Laden, that is my view. If you wish to see the FT as a masterpiece, then that is your view. Despite my take, I am not saying that anyone is wrong for supporting the FT or calling them names like you and some others are. Also, I do not force my views on others by telling them what the can or cannot like. On a sidenote, if you don't like my threads, don't click on them, b/c nobody is forcing you to do so.
Sept. 17, 2013, 2:54 pm
John Wasserman from Windsor Terrace says:
I just wanted to point something out before this goes any further, Tal: Osama bin Laden is dead. Nothing can "make him very happy". The man is dead; he's void of opinion. Pardon the interruption.
Sept. 23, 2013, 1:24 pm

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