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Drivers fear bike-share will replace parking in Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights

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Brooklyn Heights and Williamsburg motorists worry that the city’s new bike-share program will leave them without places to park.

Residents of the two neighborhoods pushed the city to reconsider the locations of 10 proposed bike rental docks that could replace about two dozen parking spaces in the Heights and Downtown and another dozen in North Brooklyn at two community board meetings last week.

Car owners argued the bike racks shouldn’t usurp parking spaces in residential areas — claiming the city should instead put the cycling hubs in parks, squares, or on sidewalks.

“Parking is so scarce in Brooklyn Heights, anytime parking has been taken away it causes big concerns,” said Brooklyn Heights Association director Judy Stanton.

Stanton urged the city to relocate proposed docks on Henry Street at Joralemon and Middagh streets and put them on the wide sidewalk on the south side of Tillary Street at Cadman Plaza.

Other Brooklyn Heights residents protested locations on Clinton Street between Atlantic Avenue and State Street, on Johnson Street between Flatbush Extension and Gold Street, and on Montague Street between Clinton and Court streets.

“We’ve always been pro-bike, but this is not the same thing as being pro-bike,” Stanton said. “Hopefully they consider alternatives to some of these locations.”

North Brooklyn civic leader Wilfredo Florentino pushed transit planners to move bike-share pickups between Meeker Avenue and Broadway that could replace parking, including one near a senior housing development on Bushwick Avenue and another in front of the Swinging Sixties Senior Center on Manhattan Avenue, where Community Board 1 meets.

“We are concerned with the potential elimination of parking spaces in areas of the district where parking is limited,” said Florentino. “We expect the map they present at the full board reflects those suggestions, and if not, we will be prepared to voice our objection in writing.”

But cycling advocates say the bike docks are merely prioritizing a different type of vehicle — one with only two wheels.

“You’re gaining parking in this way,” said Transportation Alternatives director of bicycle advocacy Caroline Samponaro. “Where you once had one person’s car stored, you’re providing space for 12 people to come and go.”

The city plans to roll out its extensive bike transit system in July, blanketing Greenpoint, Williamsburg, DUMBO, Brooklyn Heights, Fort Greene, and Downtown with 148 bike share stations. Transportation planners will install another fleet of bike docks in neighborhoods south of Atlantic Avenue in 2013.

The New York Mets-blue bikes weigh about 40 pounds and are designed for commuting and short rides under 45 minutes.

Department of Transportation officials presented a new draft of bike-share locations to community boards last week for feedback. Each dock takes up just over two feet per bicycle and can hold between 19 and 47 two-wheelers — approximately the length of two to five parking spaces.

Cyclists say the increase in bike accessibility is worth the loss of some parking spaces.

“We have to give some of the spaces to bikers because bikers are people, too,” said Community Board 1 member and cyclist Ryan Kuonen. “They take up less space than cars. C’mon, man!”

A city spokesman said transportation officials are continuing to review comments from community boards and will release the final map of bike-share locations across the borough in the coming weeks.

Reach reporter Aaron Short at ashort@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2547.

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Gary from Park Slope says:
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
May 24, 2012, 8:11 am
M from Red Hook says:
Bike share: public benefit.

Free parking in public space for a privately-owned automobile: not so much.
May 24, 2012, 8:27 am
Rob from NY says:
What has happened with BikeShare in other cities is that some people realize that they don't need a car (or a second car). Even if one out of every 20 car-owning Brooklynites make that choice, that's 5% more car parking spaces available. And 5% more spaces is A LOT more than the 12 or even 24 spaces BikeShare will take up.

For most businesses, BikeShare is a no-brainer. 12 customers vs. 1 customer. And a BikeShare station is like a magnet for new customers. if I owned a business in Brooklyn, I'd be begging for a station right out front.
May 24, 2012, 8:32 am
Ben from Bed-Stuy says:
In the course of one day, a single parked car benefits one person only. A bike share station benefits dozens of people, who can use the bikes again and again throughout the day.
May 24, 2012, 8:34 am
MRB from Ft Greene says:
if one person who uses a bike from a 20-bike dock is someone who would have driven for that trip instead then your net parking loss is zero.
May 24, 2012, 11:09 am
Heights from Bklyn says:
Hope these anti bike share people will walk the walk and get rid of their cars. They contrast horribly with the historic character of the neighborhood.
May 24, 2012, 12:14 pm
Heights from Bklyn says:
Hope these anti bike share people will walk the walk and get rid of their cars. They contrast horribly with the historic character of the neighborhood.
May 24, 2012, 12:14 pm
Economics from Brooklyn says:
Maybe people should store private vehicles in private garages. Streets belong to people.
May 24, 2012, 12:22 pm
Omar from Bklyn Hts. says:
I can just see all the lawyers, judges and other downtown city workers riding bicycles. Lets not forget about the local residents, who do have cars and live in the neighborhood. Sorry if you cant afford hundreds of dollars for a garage should not mean you cant owe a car. Remember the fees that car owner also provide to the city and state. What i feel is a fair answer is both. Bicycle docks and resident only parking permits.
May 24, 2012, 12:24 pm
Omar from Bklyn Hts. says:
I can just see all the lawyers, judges and other downtown city workers riding bicycles. Lets not forget about the local residents, who do have cars and live in the neighborhood. Sorry if you cant afford hundreds of dollars for a garage should not mean you cant owe a car. Remember the fees that car owner also provide to the city and state. What i feel is a fair answer is both. Bicycle docks and resident only parking permits.
May 24, 2012, 12:24 pm
Mark from Greenpoint says:
@Omar - "Remember the fees that car owner also provide to the city and state."

In general, user fees (gas tax, vehicle registration, etc) on motor vehicles only cover about 10% of the cost of maintenance and improvements on local roads. The remaining 90% comes from general funds (property tax, sales tax, bonds, etc.).

Most fees that motorists pay goes to state and federal highways.

So no, motorists don't really contribute very much and should not be given preferential treatment.
May 24, 2012, 12:50 pm
Sarah from Park Slope says:
@Omar, don't forget what car owners cost the city in road repair, air pollution, noise pollution, bridge repair, highway maintenance and emergency response whenever one of you gets into an accident.
May 24, 2012, 1:02 pm
trans alt from my bike says:
Omar writes: "Sorry if you cant afford hundreds of dollars for a garage should not mean you cant owe a car."

Yes it does, Omar. After congestion pricing takes hold, and true market rates are charged for public parking, you will not be able to afford a car here. Get ahead of the curve and give your car up now.
May 24, 2012, 1:54 pm
Steve from Slope says:
NIMPS = Not In MY Parking Space.
Not NIMBY's.

All of us (whether we own cars or not) have been subsidizing Free Car Parking, since all the car taxes, fees, tolls and charges add up to only 60% of the Direct Cost of operating the street & highway system - including the Interstates.

As said by others, in the city, car fees cover 10% of street, signal and police costs. None of these car users fees cover the costs of medical, crash, pollution, or congestion losses, nor do they cover the opportunity costs of all the public and private land lost to parking spaces.

I own, and occasionally use a car, and take advantage of free parking where I can, but I realize free parking is a prize, and not a right. Even then, I rent an off street spot to park my car near home. I ride my bike for shopping and transport whenever possible, rather than hassling with finding parking. And the bike is just as fast as driving, and faster than transit around Brooklyn.

Bike Share, for both direct bike rides and as feeders to and from transit, will make travel faster and easier and cheaper in Brooklyn.
May 24, 2012, 2:34 pm
VOT from 11249 says:
I work downtown and a lot of lawyers at my firm ride bikes to work.

I'm sick of subsidizing your car habit. Buy or rent a space or STFU. Also, stop spewing exhaust in my grillpiece.
May 24, 2012, 5:42 pm
Long Time Resident from Brooklyn Hts says:
It's time for the Brooklyn Heights Association to get new leadership. Judy Stanton used to be pretty good -- 10 years ago, or so. Increasingly it seems that she has lost touch with the needs and desires of the majority of the neighborhood.

Bike-share is an incredibly valuable amenity for Brooklyn Heights. I am quite certain that we can gather five to ten times as many signatures in favor of bike-share than opponents can manage to muster.

Parking a dozen public bikes in space that was previously used by one, non-paying automobile is clearly a huge win for the neighborhood. If the BHA wants to continue to be relevant, Judy needs to find a replacement.
May 24, 2012, 10:25 pm
ty from pps says:
Oh, booo hooo... the mean bicycles are taking away my free parking that my neighbors pay for.

Would folks whine this much if the FDNY decided to install a new fire hydrant on a block? Jesus... oh no... something is changing in a really really tiny way! I'd better got batsh-t crazy about it.

I find it really really hilarious that these "fearful motorists" actually think their parking experience will be even noticeably different. We're talking about 2 dozen parking spaces in TOTAL. This is the difference between parking armageddon and the current situation which is apparently parking bliss?!
May 24, 2012, 10:31 pm
annoyed from Br Heights says:
maybe we dont want hordes of useless tourists tramping around the heights on bikes. its bad enough they sit on our stoops and take pictures of our houses with the camera flash on at night. The heights is not some curiousity for tourists but that is what it is turning into. Notice all the litter from the brooklyn park crowd that is often looking for food on henry st? Those abhorrent restaurants dont serve the neighborhood and basically suck. I dont see any of these "bright" ideas benefitting the neighborhood. The people that come up with this kind of nonsense have this utopian view of brooklyn as it was in 1910. Go home and stay there.
May 25, 2012, 9:22 am
Nuts from the Can says:
Maybe all you hippys can park your bikes in my fleet of pickup trucks. I'm charging extra for indoor (van) space.
May 25, 2012, 9:24 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
annoyed, if you don't want tourists coming to your neighborhood, then move to a neighborhood without cachet. What's that, you say? You want to live in a neighborhood with cachet? Well, them's the breaks.

As for the camera flashes at night, it's called drapes. Get them. Close them. Oh, wait, I get it. You want to leave your drapes open so that passersby *can* look into your house and envy the opulence you enjoy. You just don't want them interrupting your conspicuous display by memorializing it with a photo.

And for the "problems" that the Brooklyn Bridge Park is creating for you, let's all note that Brooklyn Heights residents have pushed very hard for the park and are the primary beneficiaries of it, whilst all the rest of us in the city are paying dearly for its construction and will hardly ever get the chance to enjoy it. Next time you guys in that neighborhood want to the public to spring for such an opulent amenity, be sure to specify that it must be gated and only the residents of your area with the right pedigree are to be given keys; Either your "success" has addled your brains to cause such an oversight, or your spoiled plutocrat mojo isn't as powerful as you thought.
May 25, 2012, 11:38 am
Rufus Leaking from Utopia Parkway says:
What about the sellers of bikes?

With free share bikes, won't that hurt bike dealers most when we need more of them to replace those cars?
May 25, 2012, 11:45 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Nuts from the Can, you're right, every. single. person. who rides a bike is a hippie. Just like every single guy who uses pickup trucks to haul cargo around is a ——--real men load their consists on heavy wagons drawn by draught horses with no AC, no radio, and no wimpy horn so they don't have to emit a manly bellow to get people to move out of their way.
May 25, 2012, 11:47 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Rufus, do rental cars hurt car sales? Has the presence of ZipCars put an emphatic end to private car ownership in NYC?

Probably not.

Bike Shares expand the transportation options for everyone, so you can choose the means that makes the most sense for you at the time. I don't foresee myself having to use them, but that doesn't mean others won't.
May 25, 2012, 11:51 am
Rufus Leaking from Utopia Parkway says:
no no - what about the dealers. Arent you hurting them?
May 25, 2012, 1:01 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Can't they find better places to put the bicycles where it won't take away parking spaces such as renting some place on a plaza or using building, which there are many with space to rent? It's bad enough that Brooklyn Heights did lose that garage over at Loves Lane to be renovated into residential units, which I read about on Brownstoner a while back. To add insult to injury, the push to have less or no parking premiums in apartments are making parking harder for others. In other words, your push to take these all away is what is making issue come right now. Try looking at the causes to why they are owning cars rather than the effect, because then you will see the reason why. My guess is that some of probably don't have the jobs they do such as working the nigh shift when transit is hardly available for them or even something that takes a long day like Con Ed, which is why they were fighting to keep their parking lots.
May 25, 2012, 2:42 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- What is your connection to Brooklyn? Do you want to move here? Are you planning on moving here? Do you have ANY REASON to keep posting on topics that affect Brooklyn and it's residents?

OK -- the Atlantic Yards project has implications (some implications) on a state-wide level. PLEASE tell me how the loss of TWELVE or so parking spaced in a Brooklyn Neighborhood have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with you!??!??!?!?
May 25, 2012, 7:21 pm
ty from pps says:
Yes, Tal, there are a lot of nigh shift ConEd workers living in brownstones in Brooklyn Heights. Uggh.
May 25, 2012, 7:24 pm
Mike from Park Slope says:
Bike Share. Wonder if the hype will pan out?

Residents already have bikes. Bike share won't increase bike use. Just waste taxpayer money on an increasingly entitled constituency.
May 26, 2012, 10:32 am
ty from pps says:
Mike -- What taxpayer money??!!
May 26, 2012, 1:16 pm
ty from pps says:
Montreal, Paris, London, Boston, Washington DC, etc. etc. Do you think residents of those cities had never seen a bicycle before bike share?!

"Residents already have bikes. Bike share won't increase bike use." What is this based on? Do you even have a basic understanding of the purpose of bike share programs like this?? It's not to replace private bike ownership. Uggh.
May 26, 2012, 1:19 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Disregarding the personal attacks aimed at me, the reason why there are those complaining about the loss of parking spots mainly has to do with supply and demand. As the population is increasing along with the car ownership, there should actually be more parking available, not less. However, I am not talking about spots on the streets, but included with apartments. The fact that there are new buildings with no included parking for residents, they will be forced to fight on the streets for them, and with lesser spots available, it becomes a lot harder. Again, can't these bike share programs find an open space on plazas, where is plenty, or use space in a storefront, which also there is a lot of, for them? Why is the street the only place they can put them when it can be easily placed anywhere else without causing such an inconvenience to others? I say further studies is needed for this.
May 26, 2012, 4:41 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- This is not a personal attack... I really want to know what motivates you to be soooo thoroughly concerned with the extremely local concerns of a brooklyn neighborhood.

What is your connection to Brooklyn? Do you want to move here? Are you planning on moving here? Do you have ANY REASON to keep posting on topics that affect Brooklyn and it's residents?

OK -- the Atlantic Yards project has implications (some implications) on a state-wide level. PLEASE tell me how the loss of TWELVE or so parking spaced in a Brooklyn Neighborhood have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with you!??!??!?!?
May 26, 2012, 6:47 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- To answer you questions. "can't these bike share programs find an open space on plazas"

(1) What plazas?
(2) Why should vehicles for use on the street crowd and inconvenience pedestrians?!

"use space in a storefront"

(1) Huh? You want businesses to give up their private property for a public service?

"Why is the street the only place they can put them when it can be easily placed anywhere else without causing such an inconvenience to others?"

(1) The car parked on the street is "causing such an inconvenience to me" -- I want to park there!
(2) Why shouldn't these vehicles used on the street receive the same luxury as other vehicles?
(3) There is a REASON they are being placed on the street... namely, there is no other place.

Uggh. But PLEASE answer the question why you care so much about a few parking spaces in a brooklyn neighborhood you have absolutely no connection to.
May 26, 2012, 6:53 pm
Mike from Park Slope says:
Ty - just because some cities have bike share programs doesn't mean they are useful or justified. Even the bike loving, non riding mayor says they shouldn't be used to sightsee. Who will use them? Who is going to pay 90 per year for the right to rent a bike? Makes no sense.
May 26, 2012, 10:19 pm
Millie from Park Slope says:
when the bike riders carry insurance as car drivers do, then they can have full use of the streets. when a bike rider runs into a pedestrian and the pedestrian ends up in the hospital, who pays the bill??
May 27, 2012, 4:57 am
ty from pps says:
Mike -- Are you joking? The cities I've named have VERY successful bike share programs... the bikes are used by residents. To run errands. To go to work. To provide a quick option for that last mile for their subway trip. Lawyers, doctors, bankers and everyone else will see this as an option. Why not? You can wear a 3-piece suit and use a bike. You don't need lycra to bike 10 blocks.

$90 per year is less than one month's metro card. That like an additional 8% a year to add another option to your transit "package."

It's not a "bike rental" it's a transportation option. A privately owned bike has to be maintained. They get stolen. I bet you're the first to complain when folks bring their bikes on the subway, right?

(And guess what, bikes have "full use" of the streets now... last time I checked it's the law, even if it doesn't seem like it with attitudes like yours filling the streets.)
May 27, 2012, 10:41 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
"when the bike riders carry insurance as car drivers do, then they can have full use of the streets. when a bike rider runs into a pedestrian and the pedestrian ends up in the hospital, who pays the bill??"

I second that notion in every way.
May 27, 2012, 11:44 am
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Why won't you answer my very simple questions??

What is your connection to Brooklyn? Do you want to move here? Are you planning on moving here? Do you have ANY REASON to keep posting on topics that affect Brooklyn and it's residents?

OK -- the Atlantic Yards project has implications (some implications) on a state-wide level. PLEASE tell me how the loss of TWELVE or so parking spaced in a Brooklyn Neighborhood have ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with you!??!??!?!?
May 27, 2012, 11:59 am
Old time brooklyn from Slope says:
Free speech and opinions dont end and start at city lines.
May 27, 2012, 1:02 pm
ty from pps says:
Old time... that's certainly true. But (as Tal likes to say) "where I'm from" people who can't mind their own business are a--holes.
May 27, 2012, 3:18 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, can you please point where I have actually said that. I have never called you that at all. The only thing I have asked was why had the tendency to be so defensive and even fanatical on this. Why do you have to feel so bent out of shape when it comes to bicycles or any other forms of infrastructure? What is the point of renting a bicycle when you already own one? Sounds like a waste of money to me. Seriously, many of the places you mentioned that have these programs have seen bicycles that were either found to be lost, stolen, or even ruined. If this ever happens in NYC, it can be a lot worst. Still, if you don't like what I say, then simply don't read it, because nobody is forcing you to do so.
May 27, 2012, 4:42 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Yes, bikes are damaged and stolen... what is your point? It's built into the cost of doing business. The cost which is entirely covered by the sponsoring agency.

Again, Tal, What is your connection to Brooklyn? Do you want to move here? Are you planning on moving here? Do you have ANY REASON to keep posting on topics that affect Brooklyn and it's residents?
May 27, 2012, 4:57 pm
ty from pps says:
March 12
"Ty, where I come from, it's those with the low intellect that use personal attacks..."

March 4
"b/c not only does it weaken your already debunkable arguments, it is a hit way below the belt where I come from and amounts to nothing less than Hamasing."

March 22
"b/c where I come from they are a hit way below the belt."

Dec 9 (Netsdaily)
"should either be banned or given severe warnings, because where I come from, this is from those that refuse to have a debate, and it sort of goes with personal attacks."

Sept 28 (Netsdaily)
"Where I come from, I can tell the difference between those who just disagree and those who are..."

These are just the first few that popped up on Google. But this "where i come from" seems to be your go to refrain when your feathers are ruffled.

So, again, What is your connection to Brooklyn? Do you want to move here? Are you planning on moving here? Do you have ANY REASON to keep posting on topics that affect Brooklyn and it's residents?
May 27, 2012, 5:35 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
I love bike share in Montreal.

People ride them down the hill to the water, and an evil truck burning evil oil tows them back up the hill.
May 27, 2012, 6:05 pm
ty from pps says:
Or - why do you have to be such a prick? Bixi has over 5,000 bikes and has over 4,000,000 riders per year.

(1) Plenty of people ride bikes back up the Plateau after work... I have several friends in Montreal that use Bixi. A couple use them as the last bit of the fairly lengthy commute and one rides "down the hill" in the morning and back again in the evening.
(2) What exactly is wrong with a few trucks that redistribute the bikes during the day to maintain availability?

Please feel free to respond in a non-douchey way.
May 27, 2012, 6:20 pm
ty from pps says:
What if CitiBikes is wildly successful? How does that harm any of you whiny people?
May 27, 2012, 6:24 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
It looks as if I have a cyber stalker and his name is ty. The point is that I never stopped anyone from liking what they wanted to like nor have I ever demanded them to be censored as what you are doing to me. I only say those because it seems as if you tend to be getting so bent out of shape, and seeing your other comments, it's not just me you are doing it. More likely, it seems that whenever questions whatever you like, you seem to have rush to the defense. Also, you don't hear me using name calling. As for the analogy with Hamas, I suggest you look up who they are before jumping to such conclusions. Anyway, there have been many concerns with this bike sharing programs, and that's just with those who say that cyclists mostly flout the laws alone. Overall, I am not against anyone who wants to disagree with my stance, it's those that have resorted to personal attacks that I am against, and you do go on record for attacking a certain editor here, plus I wasn't attacking Aaron Short for not agreeing with me.
May 27, 2012, 6:48 pm
Mike from Park Slopw says:
Ty. You are one crazy dude. You never talk facts. Just spew optimistic bs. When a bike share rider hits a pedestrian, who will get sued? The City of New York. How much will take cost? And if you say that won't happen, I ask you when was the last time a bike rider stopped to let a pedestrian cross the bike lane? Answer - never. Ty you are delusional.
May 27, 2012, 6:50 pm
Old time brooklyn from SLOPE says:
tuff titty ty - we drive - we pay fees and insurance - we park - we are rent stabilized - you really must have some serious hots for natalie the way you hump her writting (this paper is first or secod job stuff or a realtive or bf/gf thing - as he beatles say - nothing to ge hung about
May 27, 2012, 7:08 pm
ty from pps says:
Mike... really? Bike riders *never* stop for a pedestrian?

So, Mike. If I rent a bike from a regular ol' rental company and I hit a pedestrian (because, apparently, that's what I planned to do all along), who does the pedestrian sue? The bike rental company? On what grounds?

What facts would you like? I already shared information about Bixi in Montreal. When I say that bike share schemes in Montreal, Paris, London, Washington and Boston are very successful... is that not a fact? Just optimistic BS?

(Also, these bikes will create revenue to flow into the city coffers... which will, in part, pay for the roads. Isn't that what you've been b-tching about? Cyclists don't pay enough?)
May 27, 2012, 7:45 pm
ty from pps says:
Again, I ask, What if CitiBikes is wildly successful? How does that harm any of you whiny people?
May 27, 2012, 7:47 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, I for one do not feel harmed by this program. As I have stated countless times here that I have nothing against that wish to ride bicycles. However, it's the way some act with them that I am against. Knowing that most current cyclists don't follow the traffic laws, I don't see how this program will be any different. Will they actually require all users to follow the laws and wear helmets for once? If they will, then it will have my vote otherwise it won't. Still, why do they need space on the street when they can just place the entire thing against a wall probably like all the rest do? Most place their bicycles there anyway to begin with, and it doesn't even take up space. Nevertheless, seeing a corporate name on them like Citigroup really shows how desperate Bloomberg really was for funding.
May 27, 2012, 9:12 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Hush.

I know that most drivers don't follow traffic laws. Why shouldn't we take away all of the parking until they shape up? When drivers stop flouting the laws, I'll vote for them to get their parking back. How's that?

(Also, helmets aren't required by law. They are a good idea, no doubt, but not required... so, to use one of your favorite words, I've debunked you.)

The rest of your comments about placement of the bike docks is just dumb. Yes, take that as a personal attack. It doesn't make your comments less dumb.

By the way, for someone who lives in Pleasantville and does "not feel harmed by this program," you have a very long list of grievances.
May 27, 2012, 9:27 pm
mike from GP says:
Ty, and others who get it:

Leave the whining and silly comments to Tal, Or and the rest of the grumpy dead-enders. They're trolls, and will find themselves increasingly irrelevant. Ignore them, and enjoy bike share!
May 28, 2012, 7:46 am
Old time Brooklyn from Slope says:
Old time... that's certainly true. But (as Tal likes to say) "where I'm from" people who can't mind their own business are a--holes.

So Ty you have no opinion about anything outside your zip code? Now that is the puot calling the ketlle shvatz.

I have a summer place I am typing from as we speak so does that mean I cannopt comment unless I am in brooklyn"?

The bike rental is a ripoff at best and Citibank is no friend to the common man.
Mazel Tov
May 28, 2012, 10:43 am
ty from pps says:
Old time -- I would suggest that you don't sign up then. Your tax dollars are not being used for this program, so you're good. Folks who think this bike share program is a good value will sign up.

What do you think will happen if no on signs up?
May 28, 2012, 12:28 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
As usual the bike zealots are showing their true colors. Anyway, bike share programs are not private, so yes taxpayer dollars are being used for them. Therefore, it is a worry for many, especially those who feel it will be a failure. I think that it should be a requirement to have helmets when riding bicycles especially when it already required for all motorcycles, motorbikes, mopeds, and motor scooters. Why don't you ask me what is worst? Is it having messy hair or a cracked skull? I wouldn't be surprised if you choose the former over the latter. BTW, quit scapegoating motorists for every time cyclists injure someone. For those that don't get caught on the spot running red lights, they are photo enforced, so their ticket is sent to them by mail after tracking the license plate number to them, but this is not the case for cyclists because they don't have one right now, which is why they tend to get away with it all the time. As for ty, I never called your comments dumb, so cut that out.
May 28, 2012, 2:18 pm
OLd time Brooklyn from Slope says:
Citibank will again whore itself out for publicity - citibank et al dumped the middle market years ago and what people do not remeber is whne third world debt failure nearly crippled the economy - - the bike share is a tourist thing = though i am pretty sure in 6 months you will read about someone using it to sell weed which is not a bad thing - numerous home delivery services exist now
May 28, 2012, 3:26 pm
ty from pps says:
Wow. The two of you should put together a traveling act!

Tal, FYI.
"Who is paying for it?
Sponsorship agreements with Citibank and revenues from users, will cover the entire equipment and operations cost of the system. NYC Bike Share is not receiving any taxpayer or federal-aid dollars to establish and run the bike share system. In fact, we expect the system to make money, and the City will split the profit with NYC Bike Share. The sponsorship agreement and NYC Bike Share's contract with the NYC both run for five years."
May 28, 2012, 4:49 pm
ty from pps says:
Also... FYI.

"Is City government running bike share?
The system will be run and operated by the New York City-based company, NYC Bike Share, a fully-owned subsidiary of Alta Bicycle Share. The City issued a request for proposals that asked companies to come to New York and run bike share as a business. Alta Bicycle Share was selected as the operator, which then created a New York-baed subsidiary called NYC Bike Share. Alta operates these systems in Boston and Washington, and the bike and station hardware they use is also in use in London, Montreal, Minneapolis and a few other cities. "
May 28, 2012, 4:50 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, if this fails, will it just be shut down or given excuses to stay longer? Knowing Bloomberg and his cronies, they do have a history of fudging data to make it seems as if it works when it really won't. The claim that "We can always get rid of it if it fails" statement will have be buried by excuses to keep it going despite the outcome. Also, Bloomberg loves spending taxpayer dollars for his pet projects and rich buddies, so he will bail them out if anything bad happens. I wouldn't be surprised if he will subsidize them, because he most likely will.
May 28, 2012, 5:06 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Straight for the conspiracy theories, hmmm?

It's up to the sponsors to decide whether it's worth continuing or not... not the City. Citibank is paying $41 million and MasterCard is paying another $6.5 million. They get the rights to have their name on every bike, on every bike dock, etc. It's a five-year advertising contact. If there are net revenues, the city gets a cut. If there are no revenues, then oh well.

Guess what? At the end of the contract, Bloomberg won't be Mayor. So, as you say, you've been debunked there.

Perhaps the next 5-year contract, the Bloomberg Corporation could be the sponsor. Wouldn't that piss you off to no end if Bloomberg has his name all over the city streets?! Maybe they'll rename them Mike's Bikes.
May 28, 2012, 5:32 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, Quinn is almost Bloomberg's clone. It is very likely that she will continue his ideas if she wins the election for mayor in the next election. I am not saying this out of a conspiracy theory, I am saying because she has proven to be like Bloomberg. Nevertheless, tax revenues generated by private companies are always bogus, not to mention the Atlantic Yards as another that claims such. Still, I doubt that they will just pull the plug if it fails and will probably have their best lobbyists for convincing the city to continue it. Are you not forgetting that many corporations sent their lobbyists to extend the Bush tax cuts despite the fact that it barely produced any jobs out of it, proving that they were failing and Obama and all the Democrats were ready to repeal them, but got stopped doing so in the end? Something very similar to that may happen with this.
May 28, 2012, 7:17 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- WHAT the HELL are you talking about?!? Are you drunk?

"Nevertheless, tax revenues generated by private companies are always bogus" -- What the frig does this have to do with the CitiBike bike sharing scheme?!??!?!?

WHAT!?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt... Please explain, clearly, what you mean. Specifically (and only) about the bike share program. I don't want to hear about Atlantic Yards or Bush Tax Cuts... tell me about the bike share program.
May 28, 2012, 8:31 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Tal. Do you know who Peter Scherer and Mindy Berard are?
May 28, 2012, 8:55 pm
Mike says:
The good news is that we can all stop commenting here and just wait a few months to see if it's a huge success or not.
May 28, 2012, 11:58 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Although I don't wish the worst for them, it will probably fail, but those in charge will find ways to stay on life support regardless of the outcome.
May 29, 2012, 3:30 pm
Mike says:
Every other city's modern bike share system has been a huge success, so naturally Tal predicts gloom and doom for NY. The real question is, will he admit he's wrong? That's hard to imagine.
May 29, 2012, 7:54 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I take it Mike likes looking at things reflecting in a mirror, because many of the cities that have this program have found a lot of bicycles that were found to either be lost, stolen, or even brought back in ruins. However, NYC is very different than all the other cities combined especially due to its larger population than all of them combined not to mention how dense it is. I am not being pessimistic, I am being realistic. In other words, I don't base anything either on optimism, wishful thinking, or good faith in that matter, I base them on reality only hence I am a realist.
May 30, 2012, 2:06 pm
ag from greenpoint says:
You guys are all suckers. What I find to be the best part about this whole program is that CitiBank is the sponsor. Im sure you all —— and complain about greedy corporate banks ruining this country. You all —— and complain about high interest rates, high mortgages, atm fees, overdraft fees etc. Yet here you are supporting a big corporate bank. Id be all for it if it was sponsored by some environmental entity or a coalition of NYC companies. But no. Its a big rich bank doing what it does best. CitiBank really lucked out in this deal....any company would love to have 10,000 free advertisements on wheels in the most popular city in the world. *rolls eyes*

As a real New Yorker (someone who was born and raised and spent all my 23years of life on this city not someobe who just moved here a few years ago bc it was "cool") I can tell you that this is neither a practical nor necessary system. Put the stations on sidewalks or plazas if u musy...not in parking lanes. Maybe if you bikers actually followed the laws like stopping at red lights, not weaving in and out of traffic, yeilding to pedestrians and generally stopped being a hazard on the roads, Id feel differently.

why would you pay $95 a year, $25 a week or $10 a day to RENT a bike? For no more than 30-45mins at a time? Thats assuming theres one available when u decide u want to bike. A bike that if it gets stolen or damaged on your watch, you are on the hook for $1,000. Really a grand for a little ole public bike? ( Really got the suckers CitiBank). You realize u could buy your own decent bike for a one shot price of 100 or less. Maybe more if you want a better bike. You could ride it whenever you please for however long you please. Not having to worry about getting it back to the station on time or finding an empty spot at another station should the one you choose be full. The program itself with the pricing scheme is illogical and impractical. Nevermind the whole idea. They should invest in putting bike racks on city streets bc there arent enough fences and lightposts to go around.
June 1, 2012, 1:47 am
ag from greenpoint says:
You guys are all suckers. What I find to be the best part about this whole program is that CitiBank is the sponsor. Im sure you all —— and complain about greedy corporate banks ruining this country. You all —— and complain about high interest rates, high mortgages, atm fees, overdraft fees etc. Yet here you are supporting a big corporate bank. Id be all for it if it was sponsored by some environmental entity or a coalition of NYC companies. But no. Its a big rich bank doing what it does best. CitiBank really lucked out in this deal....any company would love to have 10,000 free advertisements on wheels in the most popular city in the world. *rolls eyes*

As a real New Yorker (someone who was born and raised and spent all my 23years of life on this city not someobe who just moved here a few years ago bc it was "cool") I can tell you that this is neither a practical nor necessary system. Put the stations on sidewalks or plazas if u musy...not in parking lanes. Maybe if you bikers actually followed the laws like stopping at red lights, not weaving in and out of traffic, yeilding to pedestrians and generally stopped being a hazard on the roads, Id feel differently.

why would you pay $95 a year, $25 a week or $10 a day to RENT a bike? For no more than 30-45mins at a time? Thats assuming theres one available when u decide u want to bike. A bike that if it gets stolen or damaged on your watch, you are on the hook for $1,000. Really a grand for a little ole public bike? ( Really got the suckers CitiBank). You realize u could buy your own decent bike for a one shot price of 100 or less. Maybe more if you want a better bike. You could ride it whenever you please for however long you please. Not having to worry about getting it back to the station on time or finding an empty spot at another station should the one you choose be full. The program itself with the pricing scheme is illogical and impractical. Nevermind the whole idea. They should invest in putting bike racks on city streets bc there arent enough fences and lightposts to go around.
June 1, 2012, 1:47 am
Mike says:
Tal lies, again. Tal, please cite one single city with a MODERN bike share system that has seen any serious problems at all.

Yes, there were problems with Velib in Paris. That's why modern bike-share systems, including NYC's, use a different locking mechanism.

More details, for anyone who (unlike Tal) is actually concerned with facts:
http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/11/29/theft-and-vandalism-just-not-a-problem-for-american-bike-sharing/
June 1, 2012, 8:45 pm
mike from GP says:
Uhh, ag, you're not getting it. Did you read anything about bike share at all?

But I agree with you on Citibank.. I'd prefer the whole thing be publicly funded.
June 2, 2012, 12:02 am
Mike says:
Yes, there were some theft problems with Velib in Paris: which is why all MODERN bike share systems use a different locking mechanism. Tal, please cite *any* evidence of serious theft or vandalism problems with modern (installed post-2008) bike share systems. (There aren't any.)
June 2, 2012, 8:28 pm
Other Michael from Park Slope says:
Tal, Did you just call yourself a realist?

That's funny.

Your opinions about bikes and Brooklyn are not based on reality, they are based on the slices of fiction you choose to believe.

Talk about stuff you know, till then GO AWAY.
June 3, 2012, 3:23 am
Mike from Park slope says:
I think a better solution is to have the corporations (and people who want to keep their bike safe for that matter) at bike parking garages/ storage companies. Theres this place near me (by prospect park) called Park circle storage
and they have got a great easy to access space thats safe and clean. This place has a huge facility it stores a ton of bikes and can even take tandem and other odd shaped bikes. I just seems like a simple solution especially if these corporate sponosors want to support these rental programs.
June 3, 2012, 9:13 am
Mike from Park slope says:
oh and here is a link in case any are interested http://parkcirclestorage.com/index.php
June 3, 2012, 9:15 am
Mike from Park slope says:
Oh and here is the link if anyone is interested http://parkcirclestorage.com/index.php
June 3, 2012, 9:16 am
Mike from Park slope says:
Oh and here is the link if anyone is interested www.parkcirclestorage.com
June 3, 2012, 9:16 am
Ian from Williamsburg says:
As a pedestrian, transit rider, and occasional bicyclist, I'm tired of subsidizing car owners' free parking. And that is just the thing; its not that there is a shortage of parking, there is a shortage of free parking. Car owners cost society by using a greater share of resources, polluting the air, and creating congestion on the streets. If car ownership is so necessary for some people, then those owners should pay for privilege of parking their vehicles rather than burdening all of us with their luxury.
June 12, 2012, 9:05 am
J from South Slope says:
I get the rental support but I feel like most people from these neighborhoods that are proponents actually have a bike. While I think this is awesome and def want to see more riders my issue is having my bike stolen. SoI totally support the rental initiative but more so I support thishttp://parkcirclestorage.com/ This place is a bike parking/ bike storage facility in one of the most bike-centric/ bike friendly neighborhoods in Brooklyn I just feel like with all the thefts that happen this just makes sense I’m not knocking anyone I just think it is a good solution for people like me.
June 25, 2012, 9:05 am
Brian from Sheepshead Bay says:
I own a SUV. I also own 4 bikes and 2 kayaks.
One of my bikes is a Ti Merlin ($4,000.00) another is a Specialized Enduro dualie ($1,800.00). and I just signed up for the bike share.
The reason why I bought up the prices of my bikes is to illustrate it would not be practical for me to use them for commuting so the $95.00 (actually $108.00 with tax) for the annual membership is not a big burden when I can go crosstown in 15 minutes where a taxi would take 25 min and cost $10.00.
Ps, the reason why I brought up my kayaks is no reason. I just love kayaks!
April 16, 2013, 1:09 pm

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