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A transit buff’s quixotic two-decade-long quest to connect transit-strapped Red Hook to Downtown by trolley is really going to happen this time, the railway-loving legend claimed this week.

Bob Diamond, the frustrated streetcar advocate, who has failed to bring trolleys to the transit desert more time then we would like to remember, said his longtime dream of a Brooklyn bustling with trolleys will finally come true because this time he’s partnered with concrete titan John Quadrozzi Jr. of Gowanus Bay Terminal, and the Gowanus Canal Community Development Corp.

“I realized now that no man is an island unto himself and that there has to be a number of organizations to make this happen,” said Diamond, president of the Brooklyn Historic Railway Association. “Instead of Bob Diamond trying to do it alone, now I’m building a grassroots consortium of other organizations whose neighborhoods would benefit from the implementation of the streetcar project.”

The Gowanus Canal Community Development Corp., will now take on the role of political and public outreach for Diamond, while Quadrozzi has helped the redesign and enlarge his track route linking Downtown and the peninsula.

Diamond estimates that the implementation of the two-track streetcar project along with the excavation of the old rail tunnel under Atlantic Avenue he famously discovered in the 1980s would cost $50 million, and he will be seeking that money through federal grants.

And Quadrozzi can’t wait to get it done.

“It’s absolutely necessary and desirable,” said Quadrozzi, who has followed Diamond’s efforts during the past decade.

The concrete titan said the plan makes a lot of sense considering Brooklyn’s history with trolley’s around the turn of the 20th century, and with the limited access to Red Hook.

“This would be the best way to do it,” he said.

Ray Howell, a member of the Gowanus Canal Community Development Corp., said it jumped on board after considering the economic benefit Brooklyn’s only trolley would bring to the Hook.

“Mostly everybody believes that Red Hook needs transportation improvements in order to develop in a healthy way,” said Howell.

Diamond has tried to create a trolley service numerous times since 1989, but each time he claims he was hampered by the city, and by accusations that he is difficult to work with. He successfully laid tracks in 1999 for a line in Red Hook then, only to see his dreams crumble after the city cut off funding for a larger network of rails. Then, in 2011, the Department of Transportation said that bringing back the old streetcars would be too expensive.

Diamond says the route for the proposed streetcar line would be 1.6 miles starting near Fulton and Livingston streets by the Borough Hall subway hub. It would trek down Boerum Place and turn onto Atlantic Avenue. At that point, Diamond wants the line to move underground towards Columbia Street through the Long Island Rail Road tunnel that runs from Court Street to Hicks Street.

The trolley would exit the Atlantic Avenue tunnel when it reaches the Battery Tunnel on Columbia Street. At that point, it would turn down Richards Street, travel along Beard Street passing IKEA, turn back onto Columbia Street, run along Bay Street, and turn onto Clinton Street until hitting Hamilton Avenue where it would travel along W. Ninth Street right up until its ending point at the Smith-Ninth subway hub.

Armed with his new coalition, Diamond things he’ll be ready to seek city support after a new mayor is elected.

“We have a great chance of making this happen with a new administra­tion,” he said. “I think Red Hook will finally get the public transportation it deserves.”

Reach reporter Natalie Musumeci at nmusumeci@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4505. Follow her at twitter.com/souleddout.
Updated 11:03 pm, June 6, 2013
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Reasonable discourse

ty from pps says:
I hope this happens... and I hope trolleys, in general, make a comeback in Brooklyn.
June 3, 2013, 7:43 am
manposeur from brokeland says:
That's pretty cool. Now only if they could build one from Prospect park Windsor Terrace to Green Point and Bushwick.
June 3, 2013, 7:48 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
And wih Bob Diamond's track record, we can expect the best!
June 3, 2013, 8:46 am
judah spechal from bed stuy says:
not a bad idea, would be great for Red Hook, but keep it all above ground, a tunnel opening in that area, would take forever to get that approve
June 3, 2013, 9:26 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Judah, I think the logic of the tunnel is that it already exists, along with track.
June 3, 2013, 9:52 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
It would be great to have street cars in Brooklyn. They are a draw for San Francisco and New Orleans both. More visitors to the borough means more business for all, large and small. Also trolleys would reinforce Brooklyn's unique identity once again; it was here, after all, that the baseball team formed and called itself the Trolley Dodgers--their first clubhouse was the Old Stone House.
June 3, 2013, 9:56 am
Victoria from Red Hook says:
The trolly sounds great, as long as Quadrozzi is not using it to buy off Red Hook while he poisons us by hosting the dewatering plant for the toxic sludge from Gowanus.
He is seeking enormous personal benefit by providing an in-neighborhood location to the EPA for the superfund site of our own no-love canal.
The trolley would be great as long as it's not a trojan horse.
June 3, 2013, 9:59 am
Joe Nardiello from Carroll Gardens says:
This has been a great idea for decades, and it's good to see momentum for it return. While I'm not a fan of underground portions at all -- the concept of transportation that's apart of the agenda of both the MTA and cycle-centric DOT/lobbyists can be significant. Not only is there a great need for residents/small business in Red Hook and our areas through Downtown - but the large-scale tour buses along Columbia St./Furman Streets should demonstrate the impact of connecting tourism/travellers with more of what our area offers.
June 3, 2013, 10:37 am
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
This will never happen because the City's study has shown that it is not cost effective. Even if they do get the money to build it, where will they get the money to operate this line from? Maybe if they charge more than $2.50 per trip but, then, who would ride it?

Diamond still needs the City's permission to lay track on public streets and with his track record of ranting and suing will the City forget just because the Administration changes?

They also need community support for putting the tracks on public streets. What's the route going to look like? I know a lot of my neighbors think this is a great idea--as long as it's on someone else's street.
June 3, 2013, 10:38 am
JoJo says:
Only Mike C' gets it.
June 3, 2013, 11:35 am
common sense from bay ridge says:
Trolley's are fun, but are not large enough to handle that many commuters. Most places out of reach of the subway would be better served by light rail. Flatbush Ave. from the junction out is one good example.
June 3, 2013, 2:20 pm
ty from pps says:
common sense,
I'm not sure what you mean. Those 'trolley cars' rusting next to Fairway are from the Boston Green Line. This street-grade and underground trolley system carries A LOT of people.

A more general term would be "tram." Your comment suggests what you are really concerned with is "on street" vs. a separated tramway. Even the smallest modern streetcar/tram/trolley holds as much or more than a bus and most have a much larger capacity... so it's really not an issue of per vehicle capacity.

I think this all boils down to the usual argument of New York City being oh so very "special" that tried-and-true transit systems found in world class cities around the globe just aren't "appropriate" or "good enough" for NYC. The result is that we have, outside of the subway, really crappy system of bus-only transit and absurd protests whenever efforts are made to improve bus service (e.g., 125th Street and everywhere that the Bus Rapid Transit approach is attempted in this city).
June 3, 2013, 2:45 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
When I think of a trolley, I'm thinking of something like the cable cars in San Fransisco, or what used to run in Brooklyn. Something more akin to the Green Line in Boston would be adequate for Red Hook, and would fall closer to my concept of light rail, but the article was not specific enough for me to think of anything but individual trolley cars.

What I would like to see is light rail in many parts of Brooklyn. On street would be fine with me.
June 3, 2013, 3:12 pm
who's who says:
Hay Jo Jo, do you know who "MC-Mike Curatore" is?, does anyone? I hear he's just a "O'Connell alias" pretending to be a voice of Carroll Gardens while trying to manipulate the public there as he does in Red Hook. The truth is that O'Connell killed the railroad once Diamond no longer served his PR campaign and it sounds like he's trying to do it again; because if it ain't all about "O'Connell/Disney Land", it ain't? - I don't think so.

Go Diamond! If you couldn't make it happen with him, then put the tracks around him!!!!!

Ding, ding......
June 3, 2013, 3:19 pm
VLM from Park Slope says:
Hilarious to see so many people in the comments take Crazy Bob seriously here. This will be just as successful as his previous ventures -- meaning, not successful at all.
June 3, 2013, 3:28 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
As good of an idea having a trolley can be, it most likely just won't happen. If trolleys were a great form of transportation, then they wouldn't have been stopped decades ago and have their tracks removed in the first place. Even if Diamond can get this done, he will need an approval by the MTA to use such tunnels, and I doubt that he will get that. Of course some of you will be supporting it because you all know that most of public transit in NYC is actually subsidized by those who live outside the city and can barely get around due to lack of access to such transit. I am not trying to be pessimistic, I am being realistic here.
June 3, 2013, 3:33 pm
ty from pps says:
OH MY GOD! Tal, again you are seriously ignorant. "If trolleys were a great form of transportation, then they wouldn't have been stopped decades ago and have their tracks removed in the first place."

If you don't actually know or understand the history and causes of the replacement of trolleys and streetcars with buses, why the hell are you making statements like this?!

STOP making ignorant comments, Tal. Just stop.

No, Tal. You're not being a realist. Realists base their thoughts on REALITY. You do that very seldom. You're ignorant.

(Now, how likely is a resurgence of streetcars or other types of tramways in this city in the near future? No very. However, this has NOTHING to do with why streetcars were stopped decades ago... NOTHING.)
June 3, 2013, 3:43 pm
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
Subsidized mass transit isn't SUPPOSED to be cost effective. People need to stop thinking that every public project needs to have a directly tangible IRR (google it) instead of a more general positive return for the City and State. Clearing the streets of snow or providing paying for water treatment plants doesn't earn interest or turn a profit, but one can not argue that such costly activities do not provide a value and help the overall competitiveness of the City. NYC needs to provide mass transit to transit starved areas so that Big Bucks Bloomy's friends can have people to serve them their lunch martinis and clean their tailored suits.
June 3, 2013, 4:02 pm
ty from pps says:
Jim --
How dare you say such things! There is no place for valid argument and rational thought here!
June 3, 2013, 4:35 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, keep in mind that just about all forms of public transit has to be approved by the MTA, not any other agency, especially if this involves using property that they own. The TLC is one of the few exceptions to this as are whatever is part of the DOT. BTW, since the MTA is a state agency, I do have a say on whatever they do, because my tax dollars are being used for such. I could explain further, but knowing the way you act, it's sort of the equivalence of trying to explain to the Muslim Brotherhood on why Israel should exist as a Jewish state, and we all know where they stand on that.
June 3, 2013, 4:56 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Who said you didn't have a say as a state tax payer? I just said your opinion is based on ignorance, misinformation and, well, being a dummy.

You could explain further? Like making the same false statements you did 2 years ago when commenting on the article linked above?

Yeah, demanding you base you comments on facts and reality is exactly like the Muslim Brotherhood. Exactly.
June 3, 2013, 5:01 pm
JAY from NYC says:
this is an interesting idea that I like, but I don't understand how this guy thinks it can be done for 50 million?
The MTA spends almost that much on just one station, but if he can make it work it sounds a LOT more cost effective than the multiple theft agency.
June 3, 2013, 7:51 pm
old time broklyn from slope says:
you guys need lives or at least a girl friend who has not taken an order of protection - bran muffins and coffee
June 3, 2013, 7:54 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Before anyone thinks of blaming the workers, please read this letter on the Daily News by John Samuelsen, who is the head of TWU Local 100, on what unions are really making here, plus it's at the top of the page.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/30-mercy-killer-mom-mets-anthony-weiner-article-1.1357792?pgno=2
June 3, 2013, 8:26 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal, the king of the non sequitur!!
June 3, 2013, 8:46 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
Someday a WNBA team will move into the Barclay's Center, and Tal's head will explode.
June 3, 2013, 8:57 pm
a hooker says:
Wow, nice to see the old boy's still got some steam left in him - as they say, "a Diamond in the Rough" (is still as tough)

All of Red Hook, Carroll Gardens, Boerum Hill, Cobble Hill and the Columbia St Waterfront District need to get behind the Streetcar and push this baby till it rolls on its own.
June 3, 2013, 10:49 pm
Bill from Cobble Hill says:
Hooker's got it right.

I imagine taking the F to Smith & 9th, getting on a streetcar and going to Red Hook.

Now that make sense.
June 3, 2013, 11:20 pm
Connections... says:
GCCDC and Quadrozi, humm...

The Canal get's clean and GCCDC wants to connect the future prestine canal community to Red Hook...

Quadrozi owns Smith & Ninth St on the canal and owns Gowanus Terminal in Red Hook...

Hey, if it works, why not! It will make a lot of people happy - that's for sure

Got to give Diamond credit this time, sounds like he's made the right connections...
June 3, 2013, 11:37 pm
Moses Kestenbaum ODA from Williamsburg says:
The trolly should extend to the williamsburg waterfront via Flushing and kent ave at the side of the navy yard. This would connect the two waterfronts via Dumbo and the new Brooklyn Park.
June 4, 2013, 7:46 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Wow, never thought I'd see this. This is the closest thing to a consensus (Tal doesn't count) between the old-timers and new-comers I've read here. Streetcars/Trolleys/Trams are a winner for whichever Brooklyn politician gets onboard.
June 4, 2013, 8:09 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Jay, $50 million does seem low when it cost the city $30 million to repaint the subway stop at Smith & 9th. But laying above-ground rails for a streetcar has to be exponentially cheaper than digging a subway extension.
June 4, 2013, 8:14 am
SlopeyJoe from PS says:
A desire named streetcar.
June 4, 2013, 9:58 am
SlopeyJoe from Park Slope says:
A desire named streetcar
June 4, 2013, 9:59 am
a Hooker says:
"A Desire named Streetcar", how romantic and appropiate for Diamond's "labor of love"!

Yes, track above is simple and relatively inexpensive. They just laid all new track in 1st Ave in Sunset Park - went in without a peep.

Factor out the elimination of exhaust spewing/oil dripping/rubber tires wearing/combustion engines maintaining city buses (yuck).

Factor in novelty adding/transportation alternative/predictive turning Streetcars (yea).

People who won't take a bus or subway, will take a Streetcar - everyone will take a Desire named Streetcar!!!

Stellaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
June 4, 2013, 10:46 am
BobbyD from Crown Heights says:
More car accidents with texting? More crossing deaths? More suicides? More people dying from falling off or playing on the trolly? Trolleys are for an era of civilized, responsible people with straw hats and ankle length dresses.
June 4, 2013, 1:29 pm
ty from pps says:
BobbyD --
"fall off or playing on the trolley"?? What do you think a modern trolley car is? A sort of open wagon on wheels? :-)
June 4, 2013, 1:43 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The trolley was becoming obsolete when the first motor bus came. The reason was that unlike the trolley, the bus didn't need to rely on tracks to go anywhere, which is why their network expanded and even replaced where many of the trolleys used to run. More importantly, where is the money for this going to come from? Is it going to be from the MTA, DOT, or just from the community? Let's not forget that trolley tracks were seen as being dangerous especially the ones on Manhattan's 10th Avenue where many actually got hit by them, plus the team name Brooklyn Dodgers originated from such an act. Once again, if trolleys in NYC were still a necessity, then their tracks wouldn't have been removed in the first place and stayed there instead. On a side note, I do find ty to be the king of haters, while I doubt that Brooklyn will be getting another WNBA team when the Liberty is enough for them.
June 4, 2013, 4:34 pm
ty from pps says:
For the love of God...
June 4, 2013, 5:31 pm
ty from pps says:
I guess Europe and South America haven't invented the "motor bus" yet....
June 4, 2013, 5:33 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
You can never have enough WNBA.

Brooklyn needs it's own team, and we will get one.
June 4, 2013, 6:10 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Trolleys were eliminated by car companies who bought them and then shut them down so people would buy cars.
Its true and congress even held hearings on it. Several companies were convicted of conspiracy to monopolize interstate commerce by Courts. In addition they got a law rammed through that made it illegal for a company to supply electricity and operate unregulated business, which were most street cars.
In addition street car operations were also bought up and shut down in Baltimore, Newark, Los Angles, and 40 some other odd cities as well.
The point is that it worked, and I think it could work again in areas that don't have subways and wold probably be better than buses as those are only slightly better than worthless. Buses are also the biggest polluters in the city so it would be nice to cut that down.
June 4, 2013, 6:30 pm
jay from nyc says:
having said that, now that I thought about it for a minute, I don't think there is any way the Multiple Theft Agency (MTA) will allow this to happen, it will cut into revenue and they are not going to agree to get rid of buses, neither is the union. Sadly, thanks to the corrupt MTA, I think this is dead on arrival.
June 4, 2013, 6:38 pm
jay from nyc says:
having said that, now that I thought about it for a minute, I don't think there is any way the Multiple Theft Agency (MTA) will allow this to happen, it will cut into revenue and they are not going to agree to get rid of buses, neither is the union. Sadly, thanks to the corrupt MTA, I think this is dead on arrival.
June 4, 2013, 6:38 pm
Jimutz from Cobble Hill says:
It will never happen. All you have to do is look at the buildings John Q Jr owns on the corner of Henry and Congress to see the man cannot get anything done. Incomplete renovations that go back to before 911. He blames everyone but himself. Dream on.
June 4, 2013, 9:57 pm
Mike Curatore from Carroll Gardens says:
For anyone who cares about numbers, here's DOT's report on the matter:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/about/redhookstreetcar.shtml

Bob said the study was invalid because DOT disagrees with him, DOT doesn't like him, and the City doesn't want trolley/light rail service. He's probably right.

However, unless someone ponies up the construction money (which is considerably more than $50 mil, and does not include using the tunnel), unless there's a commitment for operating subsidies, unless the affected neighbors embrace the selected route, and unless the City gets behind it, THIS WILL NEVER BE BUILT.

Quadrozzi's in no position to pay for this, nor does he have the juice with the City to get them behind it. He's just shopping for friends right now. I think that's as real as it gets.
June 5, 2013, 8:32 am
nicky says:
Not financially viable. Diamond may love trains and trolleys but he is a troublemaker going back to the 1980s. Quadrozzi will learn that soon enough.
June 5, 2013, 9:47 am
Joseph Z. from brooklyn says:
The old trolley equipment has to be upgraded to modern safety comfort standards including the addition of air-conditioning. A 600vdc overhead wire system has to be installed. A storage/maintenance facility for the trolley cars is required too. So I think we can forget about this ever happening.
June 5, 2013, 9:52 am
* says:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1227819!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/tunnel27k-1-web.jpg
June 5, 2013, 9:56 am
who's who says:
Mike Curatore IS Greg O'Connell - come out of the closet dude!
June 5, 2013, 10:08 am
hopefull from Red Hook says:
Great if they can make it happen

Love the idea
June 5, 2013, 10:18 am
Lilly from Carroll Gardens says:
A trolley from Smith St & Ninth to Red Hook would be wonderful!!! Better yet, run it further up Smith so we can avoid the subway altogether.
June 5, 2013, 10:26 am
Everyone from Brooklyn says:
they want the Trolley.

The only negatives your hearing from are the obviously disfunctional.

Build it and they will come ; )
June 5, 2013, 10:33 am
are you kidding me from Brooklyn says:
"Who's who"; is that right that Mike Curtore is Greg O'Connell? I can't believe that manapulitive pri_k is putting all this negative cra_ on the trolley. Hay Greg, just because you dumped the project, doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't enjoy it. In contrast, your going to make a lot of enemies, more than you already have.
June 5, 2013, 10:57 am
ding ding from the Tolley says:
Negative, really? The Trolley is THE MOST POSITIVE that could happen around here. Stop the side agendas and roll out the Trolley.

A breath of fresh air for a change...........
June 5, 2013, 11:04 am
Fred Mac from Ridgewood Queens says:
Awesome, this is great news IF it's even allowed by the city that is. trolleys are a draw that's a proven fact so let's just hope this really does happen at least it's a bit different than our subways and elevateds.
June 5, 2013, 12:01 pm
We're from Booklyn says:
As they said back in the day, "the streets are paved with gold", is the equivalent metaphor for a Brooklyn Streetcar. I can't think of anything that would enhance the quality of life in this town like a running Streetcar (except perhaps the beauty of a horse driven carriage). It is a positive visual experience that would blanket the neighborhoods. It would provide a special transportation alternative that connects us to our local businesses and Parks. It would be exhaust free along our homes and sidewalks.

Although there is the usual silly assortment of doubters, some more focused folks commented that buses are a more advanced form of transportation (i clear my throat), let it be know that only the most beautiful and proactive cities in the world use Streetcars, and Brooklyn deserves/desires to become one of them. It's time.

Congrat's to the forward thinkers promoting this plans.

All aboard - five stars and two thumbs up!
June 5, 2013, 12:14 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Unfortunately, the funding will be the biggest issue, and there will be those who feel that there are more important places it should go to rather than this. Unless, Diamond can raise the money himself, it just won't happen. Others feel that a trolley could lead to gentrification, and Red Hook is one of the few places left that happens to be affordable when it comes to owning or renting. As for car companies buying the trolleys and removing their tracks, that's capitalism for you, and this is what happen when buying out the competition, which is an inconvenient truth here.
June 5, 2013, 2:48 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Have I mentioned lately that you're an idiot?
June 5, 2013, 3:05 pm
Fred Mac from Ridgewood Queens says:
Funding could be from non selfish lottery winners who would like to see this happen, as I would if I were to win a mega million lottery, if we want our community to be a shinning example of innovative ideas then we should pull together and make it happen. if it were left to all the naysayers in New York we most likely would never have had a subway or an elevated transit system to begin with.
June 5, 2013, 5:17 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, you really crossed the line here with your latest comment. I have nothing against those who choose to disagree with me, but personal attacks on me really do push it. Nobody called you an idiot, and you have just showed how much of a hate monger you really are. At least I actually discussed the issue while you just attack person rather than just state why it's the opposite. You really need to put down the Haterade and starting taking chill pills.
June 5, 2013, 5:35 pm
your right ty says:
Tal is an idiot
June 5, 2013, 5:52 pm
Chris from Red Hook says:
Streetcars would be very welcomed here
June 5, 2013, 7:54 pm
Goon from Red Hook says:
Tal please you really need to stop.

Mike Curatore you are still a paid mouthpiece.

Jimutz this article is about the streetcars. We all know how you would benefit from having them in Red Hook. Gentrification = dollar bills for you and daddy O...
June 5, 2013, 7:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
With a name like Goon, you sound like someone who was paid to say this, which is usually the nature of a goon.
June 5, 2013, 8:13 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
as much as a great idea it will never happen in our lifetimes
June 5, 2013, 8:31 pm
now and then from the slope says:
Whether in our lifetime or the next - let's start laying the tracks now so someone can enjoy less pollution and more peace of mind.

We can say that we're "laying the tracks for the future!"

Think ahead of tomorrow, as if they did in the past, we'd still have Streetcars : )
June 5, 2013, 9 pm
We all says:
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When do we start!
June 6, 2013, 2:51 am
George Fiala from Red Hook says:
Yes, what might one day happen is a trolley that connects Smith and 9th to IKEA and Fairway, going up and down Richards. Diamond can't get away from his tunnel, and I'm not sure what having Quadrozzi involved has to do with anything. I go along with Mike Curatore, who I noticed has posted about things having nothing to do with Red Hook in other places and seems to make a lot of sense. The original study, which also went downtown, was costed out at almost $200 million. The city can't even get it together to come up with a nickel to fix the BQE trench - study already done - or put lighting under Hamilton Avenue, which was promised coming out of the Red Hook Trolley Study. It's better to try and get something doable done rather than reaching for the unreachable due to ego problems.
June 6, 2013, 2:40 pm
who's who says:
George Fiala is the editor or the Red Hook Star Revue aka Red Hook Rag!

Can you believe this guy, he can't create enough play for himself writing cra_ in his own paper, so he's got to write more of his cra_ in a good paper that people actually read. George, "...fix the BQE trench", really, can you be any more irrelevant. An O'Connell puppet is all you've become like Mike Curatore is an O'Connell alias. We know it was Greg's vendictiveness that killed the Red Hook Trolley once, and now he's trying to do it again. Now there's a guy with ego problems.
June 6, 2013, 11:44 pm
nonsense from red hook says:
Im actually a fan of the Red Hook Star revue. At least somebody has the guts to tell it like it .The whole trolley issue is a waste of time. We have explored this issue for Red Hook and its just not economically feasible. Why is Quadozzi involved in this anyway. Is he still pushing for a CDF or dewatering plant on his garbage dump of a property. Fact is the trolly cars are not going to happen . Perhaps it's time to explore more realistic transportation alternatives for Red Hook.
June 7, 2013, 1:24 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Even if a trolley could be placed, there is still the issue of where the tracks for it would go. There are those who would support them just as long as it's not where they live. Others may just oppose it due to the noise the trolley will make. Keep in mind that much of the tracks were either removed or paved over, while the wires have been taken down decades ago, so they might have to start over to have it.
June 7, 2013, 2:54 pm
Who's who says:
Nonsense, your not seriously buying into this nonsense. The Star has no guts, they're just a paid voice of the O'Connell's. Greg's got it out for Diamond and want's the Trolly dead. That's it.
June 7, 2013, 8:41 pm
now and then from the slope says:
Trolley's never die, they multiply. I don't know who thinks they've done the math, but a Trolley goes beyond simple math. There is a multiplying effect, of benefits that is; neighborhood enhancement, a special short jump-on/jump-off transportation alternative, no pollution, service to small mom-pop retailers, restaurants, and Parks. Oh yea, are Parks feasible? Come on now and think outside the box. Everyone would love to have a Trolley running again.
June 7, 2013, 9:30 pm

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