Sections

Animal farm

The Brooklyn Paper
Share on TwitterTweet
Share on Facebook
Subscribe

Get our stories in your inbox, free.

Like Brooklyn Paper on Facebook.

Don’t be a chicken, raise one.

Ashley Quinn is tired of the snickers she hears when she tells people she raises chickens in her Brooklyn backyard — so she’s inviting people to listen to her give a talk on why it’s such a good idea.

“People are surprised and laugh when I tell them I have chickens,” said Quinn, 28. “I want to clear up the mystery and tell people what they don’t know, so that they can raise chickens too.”

Quinn is going to offer a sort of chicken raising 101 seminar at this month’s Presentation Party Night, a monthly lecture series where Brooklynites share their experiences on topics ranging from debt to contact improv to the Underground Railroad.

Presentation Party Night is built on the philosophy that everyone has something they can teach others — while enjoying food and beer.

“Over the past three years, we’ve had an incredible bunch of topics ranging from unicorns to escaping Serbia,” said coordinator Drew Weigel.

Quinn, who is also one of the Presentation Party coordinators, plans to talk about how to raise chickens, as well as chicken intelligence.

“People think chickens are stupid, so I want to share some insight,” said Quinn, who has created an interactive laser-pointer game to play with chickens.

“You have to give animals a task they can complete. You can’t judge them like they’re humans.”

Quinn has also given lectures on women and technology and mid-20th century architecture utopias.

Presentation Party Night at the Bat Haus [279 Starr St. between Wyckoff and St. Nicholas avenues in Bushwick, presentationpartynight.com]. June 16, 7 pm, free.

Reach reporter Danielle Furfaro at dfurfaro@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2511. Follow her at twitter.com/DanielleFurfaro.

Today’s news:
Share on TwitterTweet
Share on Facebook
Subscribe

Get our stories in your inbox, free.

Like Brooklyn Paper on Facebook.

Reasonable discourse

Johnny Hammersticks from Brooklyn says:
It doesn't get anymore terribly hipster than this.

If you want to raise chickens, move to Putnam County. Anyone else remember when Brooyn was about flipping pigeons. They're gross birds, but it was always cool to see them flying in circles as a group over rooftops.
June 15, 2013, 4:35 am
coq from a doodle says:
Like, yaaaaa!
June 15, 2013, 5:21 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
So what do you think folks? Brooklyn born or Brooklyn "based"? Like Yah!
June 15, 2013, 5:32 am
Lucy Doodle says:
@Swamp - don't theese dumb hipsters make you think Of the classic comercial - I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight?
Ha ha ha!!!!
June 15, 2013, 7:16 am
diehipster from Clotheslining Calebs says:
Is this the 18th or 19th hipster back yard chicken story this year? I lost count. It will never surpass the 38 Gowanus Canal articles though.

Why do these attention-starved Wisonsinites do these rural things in cities? If I secretly switched all her "farm fresh" eggs with a dozen from Key Food she would never know the difference.

The homogenization continues!
June 15, 2013, 7:18 am
Randy from Park Slope says:
You tell it diehipster! These people call themselves "brooklyn hipsters" but they're just a bunch of chicken f*ckers. Who'sthe daddy of that farm fresh egg?
Yes, sex with god-dang chickens!
June 15, 2013, 7:22 am
diehipster from Clotheslining Calebs says:
Hey "Ash" - I know you're reading this. What will you do with all your farm animals when it's time to head back to your original state or the next cool city when Brooklyn isn't cool enough for you? Just like the 100,000 zany and quirky hipsters before you.
June 15, 2013, 7:22 am
Randy from Park Slope says:
Chickens are for nuggets, not hipster sex partners!
June 15, 2013, 7:23 am
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Seems smug little Ashley claims to have designed the Internet!!! I quote " been designin' that internet since way back Proudly in Brooklyn" Really Ashley??? You designed the internet? When was that? Way back in 2009 when you arrived here from Weasel Taint Iowa? http://welessthanthree.com/about You really think you are oh so unique and special don't you?
June 15, 2013, 7:52 am
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Check out chicken lady's bio. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ashley-quinn/28/44/10b
She is an out of town transplant that arrived in Brooklyn in 2009. Now she is telling us how to run the place. So you have a fine arts degree and raise chickens? Seems about right. Please move to another "cool nabe" soon. It looks like you only hold a job for a year or so and then move along
June 15, 2013, 7:57 am
ty from pps says:
"Now she is telling us how to run the place."

The paranoia of Swampy has no end... I have an idea for all of you, umm, don't raise chickens in your backyard. There. Your little world is now safe.
June 15, 2013, 8:50 am
Florence Lesbona from Brighton Beach says:
Over here I have the chicken Of the sea - the great tuna fish.
June 15, 2013, 11:31 am
ty from pps says:
By the way, I know several older "real Brooklynites" that grew up in Park Slope and Crown Heights... guess what they had in the back yards of their brownstones?

Hmm... chickens and vegetables.
June 15, 2013, 11:51 am
old time brooklyn from slope says:
don't cook tonight - call chicken delight :)
June 15, 2013, 3:22 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
what about the chicken hawks?

seriously - what do you do with the in Winter?
June 15, 2013, 3:23 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
what about chicken hawks
June 15, 2013, 3:24 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
what do you do with them in winter - seriously?
June 15, 2013, 3:24 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Wha do you do with them in winter?
June 15, 2013, 3:25 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
sorry for the repeats - looked like they never posted due to error messages
June 15, 2013, 3:41 pm
ty from pps says:
old time -- What do you do with the chickens in winter? Seriously?
June 15, 2013, 4:25 pm
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
You know the old one about how people start to look like their pets?
June 15, 2013, 4:44 pm
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
The yip-yapping comments of Ty have no end... I have an idea for you, umm, don't inject your shrill voice into threads where you don't like the considered opinions of your intellectual superiors.. There. Your little world is now safe.
June 15, 2013, 5:36 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- no sense of irony eh?
June 15, 2013, 5:51 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
where do you put the chickens when it get uber cold?
June 15, 2013, 6:06 pm
jt from 11249 says:
Ve flot zem to zee Wirgin Islands!
June 15, 2013, 6:37 pm
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Ty, an over developed sense of irony is a hipster thing.. If the Fedora fits look within yourself.
June 15, 2013, 7:39 pm
Hugo Furst from Red Hook says:
Ty is still upset since the Chinatown Fair chicken beat him at tic-tac-toe!
June 16, 2013, 9:22 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Chickens are a totally normal thing to raise in cities, as are rabbits. We used to buy frash killed poultry and rabbit in Williamsburg from the grandparents of the degraded mooks who have lost touch with the food chain, live on Pepsi and mystery meat, and think living in a sewer and raising pigeons is normative. One more time folks: urban blight is the exception, gentrification is the norm.
June 16, 2013, 3:52 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Swamp Yankee, we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle, you get all your culture spoon fed to you by Time Warner for $40 a month like a complete sucker, most of you are morbidly obese and pre-diabetic, and if you're not on welfare you're in some do-nothing city job. Your "authentic Brooklyn" is a sickness and a cancer that we the hipsters have come to excise and to cure. And you are very welcome. Anytime. It's a pleasure. If history does not thank us, Brooklyn definitely will. It is us who would make your grandparents proud, not you.
June 16, 2013, 4:12 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Swamp Yankee, we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle, you get all your culture spoon fed to you by Time Warner for $40 a month like a complete sucker, most of you are morbidly obese and pre-diabetic, and if you're not on welfare you're in some do-nothing city job. Your "authentic Brooklyn" is a sickness and a cancer that we the hipsters have come to excise and to cure. And you are very welcome. Anytime. It's a pleasure. If history does not thank us, Brooklyn definitely will. It is us who would make your grandparents proud, not you.
June 16, 2013, 4:12 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Swamp Yankee, we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle, you get all your culture spoon fed to you by Time Warner for $40 a month like a complete sucker, most of you are morbidly obese and pre-diabetic, and if you're not on welfare you're in some do-nothing city job. Your "authentic Brooklyn" is a sickness and a cancer that we the hipsters have come to excise and to cure. And you are very welcome. Anytime. It's a pleasure. If history does not thank us, Brooklyn definitely will. It is us who would make your grandparents proud, not you.
June 16, 2013, 4:12 pm
Me from Bay Ridge says:
@Chooch Buster from Park Slope...Surely there is a happy medium?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
June 16, 2013, 7:31 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
@Me. Who's unhappy? Someone calls me a trust fund slacker, I call them a welfare basket case . It's a mutual exchange of constructive criticism. I think the real question is, if you can give it, can you also take it? But here we have open season on hipsters, yet if someone points out what a waste of Brooklyn these chooch morons have been these past 40 years, then suddenly everyone's filing a complaint with the department of cultural sensitivity. So give me a break. If you're really from "real" Brooklyn, you should be able to take what you give. And anyway, if you don't like the Brooklyn I'm giving you, then move to Detroit. It's just like Brooklyn in the 70s.
June 16, 2013, 8:38 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
There have plenty of people raising chickens in Brooklyn for basically forever. Anyone who missed that wasn't really here.
June 16, 2013, 10:17 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Ya don't say !!! We used to buy fresh poultry and game from back yards in Williamsburg in the 80s. The hipsters who raise chickens and bees and make roof gardens today are consistent with real, actual, genuine Booklyn. It's these Jew-baiting reactionary yahoos who have never done squat for this borough but whine, who we can do without.
June 16, 2013, 11:21 pm
Michael from Bay Ridge says:
@Cooch - I agree with you that a lot Of the points raised here are rude and not entirely factual. At the same time I'd also say that Brooklyn In the 70's and 80's was nowhere near Detroit today. Brooklyn has never been entirely bad (or good for that matter). Just because someone is from here doesn't mean they are a welfare collecter or angry hipster-disliking guido either. I don't see why so many commentators think they speak for all Of Brooklyn. I feel sorry for those who think this borough is only hipsters and hipster-dislikers. There's lots Of others too.
About chickens, it's not really news, so what's it doing In a newspaper? Headline - woman has hobby!
June 17, 2013, 2:17 am
manposeur from brokeland says:
Hmmm I wonder if she taught how to slaughter a chicken and prepare for the frying pan. Literaly backyard fried chicken.
June 17, 2013, 11:05 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
@Michael from Bay Ridge. Michael, do you really think that I think all native Brooklynites are boneheads? After 30 years in the borough? Look, my point is this. Two can play this game. You push me in the street, I'll push you back. It's a mutual exchange of constructive criticism, Brooklyn style. Now then, you want to go Jew-baiting after a certain demographic group in the borough? You want to end up like "Dennis sinneD" stigmatized for life as a closet homophobe? You want some punk to get inspired by your hate speech and hurt or kill someone? You want another Brendan Fay to get stabbed as a result of your hate speech, as happened in Williamsburg two decades ago? Fine, knock yourself out. And now what, you're going to report Chooch Buster to the department of cultural sensitivity because he talks about stooopit mooks from Brooklyn? Like HE'S the one playing with fire here. What a laugh.
June 17, 2013, 11:11 am
Pat I from Brooklyn says:
C'mon Swamy git wif the program! We all know the internetin's been always done in 'Coontang MO
June 17, 2013, 11:35 am
ty from pps says:
manposeur -- Most people keep chickens for eggs. And old laying chicken with years of "service" is pretty terrible for eating. (I speak from experience)
June 17, 2013, 12:15 pm
jt from 11249 says:
Schweizerhuhn.
June 17, 2013, 1:25 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan, fiend, you're entitled to your rant on this thread because all that has been written is nonsense. And your strength of pushing is barely nudge. Perhaps you already understand this, since you fortif your bruised ego by more deceptions meant toddaw attack against me by unwitting others, such as this nonsense deception you are pulling now that I am homophobe or anti-Semite. As for my "stigma" I am happy to splash blood from my wounds upon the likes of you since it sends you fleeing behind misquotes of Nietzche and secret Randian pathos. How many times need I remind you? Alien to you is Highest Honor.
June 17, 2013, 1:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As for the imagined "ubiquitous attack" against "hipster/s" I am sad your fraud came true as it did here. There are better arguments against gentrification, and all is silent here for all the ostensible righteous rage. For shame that this presentation tempts readers to side with the equally base, sewer-ish malevolence of Ethan et al who pretend to give "toe-to-toe" with cowardly racism as knuckle-dragged thought. So bitter. And untrue. For if one actually reads the narrative of gentrification instead of taking Ethan's (or mine) Word For It, then one finds only one target consistently attacked in every article, essay or story: "Williamsburg before" which is the People of Williamsburg Now. The "bohemian imaginary" postulated by Ethan Pettit et al has been a mass projective inversion--not unlike UFO abdication reports and satanic hysteria of previous decades.
June 17, 2013, 1:36 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
UFO *abduction reports...
June 17, 2013, 1:38 pm
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Well, that was always a problem with hens on the Southside, they pick up anything.
June 17, 2013, 1:51 pm
ty from pps says:
So, Dennis... don't really want to get in between you and your imaginary "Ethan" friend, but have you ever heard the word concision? Is that is your thesaurus?
June 17, 2013, 1:58 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Oh conscience, cursed conscience! And the stabbing of Brendan Fay. More than twenty years ago, and still it will not go away.
June 17, 2013, 2 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As for the rest of us,
Today Ethan lever/ages against You. What the —— are You All Writing? Use your heads. There's nothing wrong with raising chickens and indeed coops were kept in the Southside and East Williamsburg, though Ethan pretends we're "exceptional" behind a pseudonym only a few days after he tried to advise all you gentrification kiddies not to use multiple pseudonyms. That whole projective inversion thing again. And a little bit of that "coincidence of opposites" that has given him license to confabulate all this gentrification, a way to tell himself he's not contradicting himself, like he did last article when he got quoted saying condos were awful above another quote where he's saying he can't get enough of them. See? This is the type of person you've given leverage today with juvenile nonsense.
June 17, 2013, 2:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And of course once Ethan is wounded the appropriate Eva-denying-"imaginary"-Eva is soon to offer useless "aid." Hey, I've got my thesaurus handy but it reads like you need a dictionary. Check your spelling, sweets.
June 17, 2013, 2:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You know what I liked Eva? That last time you tried to say something utterly stupid about word parsimony and that gentleman from the Lower East Side wrote he would rather read a thousand pages of my journey through a thesaurus than just one of your treacherous sentences. He was sweet. Not as sweet as you. Kisses.
June 17, 2013, 2:07 pm
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Yep, that's the problem with raisin' hens on the Southside, you gots a propensity to transmissibles.
June 17, 2013, 2:14 pm
ty from pps says:
Who is Eva?
June 17, 2013, 2:18 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Eva is who would let slip that "Ethan" is imaginary. Now, how would "Ty" know that? Is that stoic avatar supposed to re/present "thank you"? You're welcome.
June 17, 2013, 2:22 pm
ty from pps says:
Seriously?
June 17, 2013, 2:36 pm
yes from right here says:
Peek a boo.
https://www.facebook.com/eva.schicker?fref=ts
June 17, 2013, 2:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Yes, in the sense of our previous association. You're welcome.
June 17, 2013, 3:07 pm
ty from pps says:
Bat sh*t crazy.... my god.
June 17, 2013, 3:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Haters gonna hate. Better crazy than bitter and boring, boring into a bitter.
June 17, 2013, 3:19 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Anything else you wish to add, or will it be the usual zero contribution as is now well-attested?
June 17, 2013, 3:20 pm
ty from pps says:
Do you want the last word?
June 17, 2013, 3:38 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Not yet. I want to further deconstruct this penchant of yours, mystical really, of "making zero contribution." How does one "make zero" and then "contribute" as if it were an addition? What a powerful symbol for the "art scene" of Williamsburg, in bed with gentrification.

If we parse, egad, those three words, "making zero contribution," we find Sophia [literally, "Eva"] who clouds Ialdabaoth, "Demiurge" in her silence. Oh, kismet. Just like how you could have settled so many of Ethan's public deceptions about my relationship to Ex-Static Press and the "art scene," you chose instead to cloud with silence.

That's okay. You can also take your cue from Ethan, who seems to have taken his particular and false cue of "doing real work" from that other self-important gossip, Teresa Toro, of the conglomerate NAG avatar, "Voice of Verdad," in that desperate bid to once again compare what I do with what you do and imagine "you're ahead." I mean, Truly, I feel you--he is your husband. You have to sleep with him at night. And with yourself.
June 17, 2013, 3:54 pm
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Y'all watch your words, cuz the chicken always come home to rooste.
June 17, 2013, 3:54 pm
Henny Penny from Greenpoint Heights says:
Ain't that the truth, Colonel. https://www.facebook.com/vincent.bambini?fref=ts
June 17, 2013, 4:01 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis,
Do you even understand your own gibberish?
June 17, 2013, 4:25 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
YAWN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8
June 17, 2013, 4:26 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I used to write about the Champion Sigh Period with you, but now you inspire only the harlot YAWN.
June 17, 2013, 4:27 pm
ty from pps says:
No, I was actually being serious. I know you think you're being clever, but it's quite the opposite.

I also find it amusing that my comments earlier in this thread (I believe) are in agreement with your "position." However, you've decided that everyone commenting on this is the same person.... and simply because I've pointed out that your flowery prose (or is it free-verse poetry?) is damn near unreadable, you've decided to go off the deep end.

I hope you are able to take a deep breath and calm down.
June 17, 2013, 4:31 pm
ty from pps says:
And you don't inspire at all.
June 17, 2013, 4:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
We're never in agreement. God help me if I should ever be in agreement with you--then I know I will have to beware. You say I'm not inspiring, but you're constantly trailing me. I don't respond to you. You respond to me. So where do you get off telling me I need to take a breath? In other words, get off my jock when you're telling me you're not bending over. I play you like the dead hamster you are whenever you slumber over for life from me like a zombie troll? If you never address me, there would be no conversation between us. That's a simple fact. SO PLEASE, stop pretending you're not inspired. If I gave a fudge about what you think I may have noticed your supposed "agreement with my position" [ha!] You are a zombie and a vampire--you have no vitality but that which is supplied to you by others, an "agent of gentrification."

What original thought have you ever posted here, EVER, that was not some smug notion of superiority against someone else? Or some insult? Mockery? Embarrassment or humiliation? And you talk about people holding breath? Bish, please.
June 17, 2013, 4:41 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And you missed the reason why I lumped you in with all the rest of the nonsense on this board. I'll repeat what I already wrote herein, "Ethan, fiend, you're entitled to your rant on this thread because all that has been written is nonsense."

You're too stupid to notice I did not partition any "pros" or "cons." Why? BECAUSE EVERYTHING WRITTEN HERE, INCLUDING IF NOT ESPECIALLY BY YOU, IS NONSENSE, "PRO" OR "CON." What worth is there in anything you write if your supposed "agreement" with me is misanthropic? That is our basic disagreement--you're a misanthrope. Not what petty individual nonsense you obsess over whether I'm in agreement with you or not you narcissistic clown.
June 17, 2013, 4:46 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I await your fertilizer for My Garden of Flowery Prose.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Song of Songs 1&version=NIV
June 17, 2013, 4:55 pm
ty from pps says:
Wow, you're a complete nutjob. Congratulations!! Sure, you can take that as misanthropic... but it's not. It's about YOU and only you, Dennis. I am fine with most of humanity. You are a nutcase.
June 17, 2013, 5:07 pm
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Chooch Buster, you will notice nobody brought up religion except you? WTF are you talking about and can you provide any justification for the "baiting" comment? Please use direct quotes from the conversation above or take your racist crap elsewhere
June 17, 2013, 5:14 pm
keep ——in that chicken from NoBro says:
Where'd your little Chooch Buster go, Eva? Surely it doesn't take him this long to come up with a hateful and demented retort. https://www.facebook.com/ethan.pettit?fref=ts
June 17, 2013, 5:15 pm
McNuggets from 11211 says:
Swampy, he says this outrageous stuff out of sheer desperation. He has nothing left after you strip away the paranoia, misanthropy, and narcissism.
June 17, 2013, 5:25 pm
ty from pps says:
This is like the nut case Olympics.
June 17, 2013, 6:01 pm
Eunice from All of Brooklyn says:
And you, your husband, and your talentless bestie with the super good luck take the gold, silver, and bronze. So quit obsessing dumbass. Go sell some art to the tower people. (As if)
June 17, 2013, 6:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg, says:
T.hank Y.ou from PPS,
You silly agent. Gentrification IS misanthropy. You pretend you don't know or understand this crucial threshold--that no matter how seeming "progressive" you are, friendly to your friends, familial to your family, wifey to that hus/band, in all your thoughts and deeds, preference for gentrification annuls all.
June 17, 2013, 6:34 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis,
Where in my comments above have I said ANYTHING about gentrification? If you think a woman raising chickens and teaching other how to raise chickens (AS HAS BEEN DONE IN BROOKLYN FOR A HUNDRED YEARS in the back gardens of row houses), you're a complete whack job. Back yard Chicken Coops are your symbol of gentrification?!?!

Christ on a cracker, give me strength.

(Eunice, are you responding to me? Who is my husband and my bestie? You're going with the "everyone on here is the same person" route too?)

Gentrification = misanthropy. That's pretty cute. it's stupid, but I'll admit it's cute.

Which 'round' of gentrification is the misanthropic one? Just the current one that affects you? Or the previous one that made the current one possible... shall we keep going back the urbanization of the farms? Perhaps the colonization of New Amsterdam? Or? Which displaced group makes it misanthropy and not just a population shift?

Do you know what misanthropy means?
June 17, 2013, 6:56 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
THANK GOD you've finally decided to piece together somewhat of an argument in between the regular "you're dumb, your word choice is bad, your syntax is pentax, yadda yadda yadda." THANK YOU.

I never mentioned that you mentioned gentrification. So that entire aneurysm you've flanked your argument with applies to you as much as you imagine it to apply to me. I gather and am accurate about your support for gentrification in the framing of every single drop of venom and bile you've spewed against others on Brooklyn Paper's public comments thread in the past year or so. Sure, you support bike lanes and cafes, but only insofar these events succeed in undoing the persons and populations you've frequently attacked here. So stop pretending that ANYONE here is simply talking about chicken coops by some "hipster/s"/hamster. You think some 80-odd comments, polluted by the likes of you, generates out of genuine concern over a chicken coop? NO. "Gentrification" is meant, whether or not the word is mentioned, and how bizarre, someone with such sensitivity to any use of words whatsoever would need its explicit mention for it to meaningful in this discussion.

Previous migrations from Williamsburg did not constitute displacement--It was white flight. The white flight that informed the populations before the Hispanic population of the Southside as well as other immigrant groups [because that's who both YOU and I are inferring, though you're too much of a coward, like that fool who can't give his art away, to say It explicitly] was discretionary, not compulsive. A simpleton such as yourself would attempt to graft a universalist scheme upon "gentrification" as if it has existed since the beginning of human society, so if the Sumerians conquered the Akkadians in Mesopotomia, for a buffoon like you that makes the displacement of communities in present-day Williamsburg a natural course. But "gentrification" is an abstraction with power to compel physical movements, and so It has existed only as long as immediately before the term was coined. So in terms of the word "gentrification" or even the "displacement" that is intrinsic to It, the populations preceding the 1970s did not "follow" It.

And when they did leave of their own compulsion, they, as absentee owners, "designed" the landscape along with likes of you, disfiguring it from absent position with landlord lightning. Whole parcels destroyed so that fools like you can photograph them and talk about how "vacant" It was "before." So no, I don't feel "bad" about those previous migrations because they were not displacement. That is preposterous. You are asking me to sympathize who fled Williamsburg because they could not live amongst Puerto Ricans. Please.

Perhaps that helps clear up my knowledge of the definition of "misanthropy."
June 17, 2013, 7:13 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis,
I'd be amused to know into which stereotypical category you've placed me....
June 17, 2013, 7:51 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I've already placed you. Remember--you're a vampire and a zombie. An "agent of gentrification."
June 17, 2013, 8:08 pm
ty from pps says:
Yeah, whatever... you know what I mean. "though you're too much of a coward, like that fool who can't give his art away, to say It explicitly"
June 17, 2013, 8:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
An agent of gentrification is the only sense I know of what you mean. You can change that, of course. It took a blinding vision for the persecutor Saul. Maybe it won't have to be as harrowing for you, but if It is, know that God ransoms those He loves.
June 17, 2013, 8:45 pm
ty from pps says:
But Dennis, God hath forsaken me.
June 17, 2013, 8:53 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Talitha kum
June 17, 2013, 9:05 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Does he understand his own gobberish !!! This is to pose a question mildly indeed. It is very bamboozlement revealed. The pious caterwauling of a kind of celestial welfare state, and surely one of the longest-winded excuses for laziness and mischief in the whole of the unpaid literature of gentrification. But in the discourse of the welfare state, the first rule is that there is always someone else to blame for your own problems. The second rule of course is that there is always someone else to thank for the success of your neighbor, other than himself. Yet nothing of this "agency" has ever been discovered that can account for the industry of myriad Jews, Poles, Italians, and Bohemians who put their stakes in Williamsburg and revitalized the place, and profited in kind by their work. The rezoning of the waterfront in 2005 and the Atlantic Yards project, two initiatives that have been fingered as "policy-driven gentrification", come a quarter century after gentrification even made the consideration of these projects possible. Policy follows gentrification here, it does not guide it. And gentrification in turn takes its lead from hipsters and bohemians. But these are hard pills to swallow in the projects and tenements. Indeed, the "policy" of the city in Williamsburg from the 70s to the early 90s, was to close down firehouses, let neighborhoods burn out, and to install an incineration and waste transfer district in northern Brooklyn. Who turned this policy around? We did, the bohemian loft dwellers and fixer-uppers, as well as an army of immigrant construction workers from the shipyards of Gdansk. How do I know this? I saw them. Laboring by day for 20 years. While at night, gunshots rang out from the Southside. Williamsburg is ours. We have built this city anew and given back her 19th century glory as one of the wealthiest cities in America. Of this I swell with pride, and do eagerly dispense bitter pills to the one-time defilers of my beloved Brooklyn.
June 18, 2013, 1:48 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ethan "Don't Use Multiple Pseudonyms, Kids" waits until the middle of the night to once again butcher Williamsburg history because he wants to pretend he "shoves hard" back at those who "shove" him, but this is mostly because he is a bully like his peers who hopes no one is awake at the moment to actually engage him. Ethan pretends he wants "fight," but when he gets It, he slinks behind some garbage can of memory and waits until the night after the fighters are done. This serves several purposes and is worth examining for psychology into dementia: he can ride out into the empty battlefield at night and clang swords to his heart's content then go back to bed and pretend he has earned a medal. He can say to himself, "I'm so tough and such a builder though I, like my peers in Williamsburg, never built anything of remembrance. It would seem all the sheetrock I've screwed into the walls have been painted over and so I must congratulate myself or no one will." He can repeat errors that have been repeatedly refuted by even the simplest of critics here and because everyone sleeps our true hero can believe their sleep is his noble battle. Ethan pretends he has been deprived of engagement, but again, this is why he and his peers are poster children [cracked old bones and all] for projective inversion: he doesn't want to engage with any of us. He wants monologue. He imagines himself like Hitler in front of adoring crowds in the middle of the day, frothing at the mouth spewing his bohemian imaginary to cheers and rapture, but, alas, he is Multiple Pseudonym Ethan, with no right to history or "the Record" because you can't find one thing he says that is consistent with another. Like this last post: you think Ethan reached these false conclusions during an active investigation into the facts? No. Ethan takes his arguments from his opponents, all the points and clever turns, and then butchers and inverts them to re-emphasize the only point he is consistent about: his white supremacy and eugenics, his philistinism garbed under bohemian guise. Yet, there are no crowds in rapture. No one takes his writing seriously but us right here and we comment only because the cowardice of waiting until the middle of the night so his impotence won't be exposed and harrowed is so egregious it must be reflected on in the fear that no other may follow the practice. Whereas mass media arrays in full FOR [not against] "hipster/s"/hamsters, there is NO ONE for him but his friend the Interloping Bambini and his dear beloved TY who also cuckolds him [I know from experience]. I used to worry that Ethan would advance in the minds of these young people, but, even with all my complaints about the silliness on this thread, It's so obvious he is but one, possibly Curly, of the Three Stooges of Gentrification. Mass media may laud hipster/s--that's okay. They're in control of mass media. And yet, those who they cannot control indeed despise them. And that is another reason Ethan has insomnia.
June 18, 2013, 4:56 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
PATHETIC. I would tell you to "write better," but that can happen only until you butcher and falsify something you've read by me, or DieHipster, or any of the others you've alienated herein and elsewhere. Some "artist" you are. I've said It before--you're no "Artist." You're a saboteur of art. A saboteur of that division you thought you'd keep between myself and people like DieHipster, but you know what? I think I'm going to support he/r now. I'm going to laugh everytime s/he writes something about you [well, never about "you," because nothing you do has ever been important, but what "you" are part and parcel of]. And I'm going to say, "Hey, you want to share some contacts and penetrate some crowds"? Because, you know, it makes you lose sleep, Night Warrior on the Empty Battlefield. Then you can call up those other two who are really pretty useless, and we'll call up the growing masses of people who despise you and your peers, and lose sleep some more.
June 18, 2013, 5:03 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Now that that has been emphasized, I'm moving onto the next article and thread, to wait for Ethan to slither out at night and thump his hooded chest. Otherwise, if there is nothing to add or learn here, I'm done herein. So here is your cue, Mr. Pseudonymous, to post something livid here, raging and reducing, insulting and darkening, and pretend no one has the strength to respond.
June 18, 2013, 5:23 am
Celeste from 11222 says:
Brooklynites? No, Brooklyn transients. My Nonna had chickens in Maspeth up through the 80s. Never once did she have to run to the press to herald her hobby with this bs LOOK AT MEEEEE crap. Everything you need to know about raising chickens can be found on the internet. That one needs to be a part of some group that meets to talk about unicorns and the UnderGround Railroad is so clubby, sad, and elitist. It is also vindication that you are totally aware of how separate and special you think you are.
June 18, 2013, 7:35 am
ty from pps says:
Celeste, I'm not sure you know what the word elitist means... just like Dennis's extremely odd usage of the word misanthrope.

(by the way -- The comment by Dennis directed toward, I'm assuming, Chooch Buster made me laugh a little. "by me, or DieHipster, or any of the others you've alienated herein and elsewhere" Oh Lord! Imagine how heartbroken anyone must be when they wake up to discover they've alienated Diehipster! Ya know, cuz he's such a man of compassion and love. Don't forget, Dennis, you said you were "done herein.")
June 18, 2013, 9:11 am
Celeste from 11222 says:
Diehipster uses humor to express outrage at what is happening to his borough. It is BECAUSE he has compassion and love for the people that are being crapped on at every turn, and their neighborhoods exploited in the blink of an eye that he defends it against schmucks like you.
June 18, 2013, 9:56 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Celeste, expressing "outrage" by vilifying a particular demographic group has nothing to do with love or compassion for anyone. It is called scapegoating, and it is what "outraged" Germans did to the Jews and what "outraged" rednecks did to African Americans in the Deep South. It is a tried and true method for rousing stupid and angry people, so it should work well on the chooches. You're on board, and now it looks like Dennis sinneD has done a flip flop and now openly declares his support for the Bund. Before long we'll start to have hate crimes against hipsters, and you guys will be "on the record." Congratulations.
June 18, 2013, 11:08 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
DieHipster, I support you openly. If Ethan or any of his goons should ever threaten you, physically or otherwise, holla "Shazam!" and I'll have your back. I'm at the McCarren Track every day at 5:30pm, skipping rope and shadowboxing at the Bayard St corner. I may be in a trance imagining myself overcoming every stupid thing Ethan has ever loved or allied himself with. Don't fret and say "hello" and when you want I'll teach you how to fight so you don't have to worry, if you ever do. Then you can move forward more efficiently.
June 18, 2013, 11:20 am
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Now now now y'all don't be gettin' into no fightin' 'round heah, ye heah?
June 18, 2013, 11:41 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Now that is a hoot! Chooch Buster is the one who's going to get "goons" together and attack people? I'm looking at a blue streak of week-after-week vitriol and violent metaphors aimed at my people in Brooklyn, in the pages of the local press. I stand up to it, I've got Mr. "White Artist Go Home" running around in circles saying he'll join any crackpot Jew-baiter on the block, so long as the guy is against Chooch Buster. "Openly" join him mind you. But Chooch Buster is the who's going to get "goons" together? People, back away from this element. I'm tellin' yez!
June 18, 2013, 11:59 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh fiend, how I enjoy twisting your tail today.
June 18, 2013, 12:12 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You have twisted my tail? In case you hadn't noticed, I have caused you to do a 180 on your tail. First you are against Diehipster, Chooch Buster drops a few comments, and now you support Diehipster "openly." You have, on the record, changed your position on Diehipster, as a direct response to Chooch Buster. Who's tail is being twisted here.
June 18, 2013, 12:56 pm
ty from pps says:
Dennis,
I thought you were "done herein"? Shouldn't you be getting ready to skip rope?
June 18, 2013, 1:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, you wish you had power over me. I simply overlooked declaring my support after reading this thread, especially Celeste's posts, changed my mind. I agree with her--DieHipster uses comedy to expose your evil, and I love that. Love it. Don't like some of the juvenilia, but I see now that we are kindred. You, on the other hand, have been abandoned and are alone to fester in dement. Mind you, you got on this board aching for me and lost sleep over me. Like the last time. Calling out my name, begging for me--obsessed. If not for messengers requesting ly aid i wouldn't know or care your whereabouts--like your former allies feel now. I am feeling quite elated to know there are multiple persons to join together to discuss and examine this false ineptitude you call your glory, to gather and gain strength. Love it.
June 18, 2013, 1:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No, you wish you had power over me. I simply overlooked declaring my support after reading this thread, especially Celeste's posts, changed my mind. I agree with her--DieHipster uses comedy to expose your evil, and I love that. Love it. Don't like some of the juvenilia, but I see now that we are kindred. You, on the other hand, have been abandoned and are alone to fester in dement. Mind you, you got on this board aching for me and lost sleep over me. Like the last time. Calling out my name, begging for me--obsessed. If not for messengers requesting ly aid i wouldn't know or care your whereabouts--like your former allies feel now. I am feeling quite elated to know there are multiple persons to join together to discuss and examine this false ineptitude you call your glory, to gather and gain strength. Love it.
June 18, 2013, 1:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty, come watch me skip rope. The elegance of my style makes apparent the rending of everything you dear.
June 18, 2013, 1:07 pm
ty from pps says:
Yeah, skipping rope is truly a spiritual thing.... friggin' nutjob.
June 18, 2013, 1:12 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis sinneD:

"Of course I have no congress with Die Hipster. That alone of all that worthless post will I answer. DieHipster approaches from the Right, opposes fair initiative, petty offends human beings' personal and privates tastes--that is not opposition to gentrification. Indeed, it IS gentrification in infinite-final form/s, thoroughly decayed. Anti-intellectual. Callous and lacking grace."

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/36/20/dtg_bushwickartscenter_2013_05_17_bk.html

Dennis sinneD again:

"DieHipster, I support you openly."

On this thread
June 18, 2013, 1:22 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
... because he argues from rage not principle. He will grab at anything just to get a toehold for his cult of himself. Just watch. Diehipster, who actually is famous, whatever you think of him, will likely draw away from "Dennis sinneD". Dennis will have his pride hurt, and he'll spin on his tail once again and slam Diehipster. Just watch.
June 18, 2013, 1:37 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ha! Ethan's tail is obviously burnt from the fact he is quoted contradicting himself on his supposed position on condominiums in North Brooklyn so he pretends that my changing my mind about prose and the person writing it is somehow an equivalent to his dishonesty. And that last post is a perfect example of what has been observed about him, namely that for all the self-appellation of "artist" Ethan has never had an original thought, he bastardizes his foe's arguments, adds his usual projective inversion and voila! Here he tries to sound like me, obsessed and terrible thinker he is, but by trying to pin on me his own behavior--namely his narcissism in coming onto this thread in the first place, drawing attention to himself with racist outrage, begging for my appearance and when I do appear he, battered, waits until insomnia haunts his failings again. HA! You amuse me so much today. Thank you, gentrification. Thank you.
June 18, 2013, 1:49 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
No one can ever say "I argue anything" to bring attention to myself like you. Unlike you, I think for myself and investigate the facts before drawing conclusion. Indeed, the entirety of this gentriication narrative has been one of premature conclusions by the likes of you: precisely why you are loathed by the group gathered here today to advance beyond your myopia and butchering of history.
June 18, 2013, 1:52 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, and by the way, finishing a piece that deconstructs all the lies put out by you, Goldson, Bambini, Gould et al about "hipsters are all of us" but somehow "all of us are also against hipsters" (ha! Only in metaphysics could such a ludicrous contradiction make for mass hysteria) it's called "Hip is Ham." About hamsters. You'll love It. Kiss it, putania. Kiss it Real good.
June 18, 2013, 2:02 pm
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
And so dey question stand. Do the Die Hipsters go "ho ho ho now now now it was all jes a joke in good fun don' take it personal" ... an shy off the voodoo a spell. Or do they dive in mo deeper an' take a stain on they scutch fum de old coots in dey hood that now be kissin' they ass. Stay tuned, folks, fo' de next episode, right heah on de Plamtation.
June 18, 2013, 2:15 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ty,
Get off my jock, please. How is it someone so focused on me, so morbid with insults and thin on intellect, could overlook the projection of their own "nutjobbism." Hint: I could care less about you. You, on the other hand, are petty enough to derive pleasure from your acid. Drink up. Hopefully one day it'll burn out your insides.
June 18, 2013, 2:16 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis, easy on the ketamine. No one cares. You've lost your cause. You have to recant your anti-white racism. You have to locate Brendan Fay and apologize for putting hatred into the mind of the young boy in Williamsburg who stabbed him. You're stuck, my friend. Repent, throw in the towel, and go work for El Puente on housing for Latinos. Better that you put your energies to work strengthening your own community, than wasting your time attacking my community. You are morbidly obsessed with us hipsters and bohemians. Time to turn to something positive.
June 18, 2013, 2:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
All of you understand that the reason Ethan appeared here in the first place is because he perceives, as he himself wrote here, that "DieHipster" is "famous." Like Ty, he is a vampire and so he comes on here with all his right-wing outrage to draw attention from the people he believes and hopes are here to read DieHipster. Because he's a projectionist, he attempts saying that his behavior is in fact mine though I never respond to DieHipster or any of his circle. DieHipster has a different approach than I do and I'm interested in investigation. Nothing reducing here--DH's m.o. Is comedy. Not my thing. Nor does his audience interest me. It interests pathetic Ethan, who can't seem to find anyone worthy or meaningful to listen to him.

As for all that other nonsense about how I am responsible for homophobia as hatred in Williamsburg, my supposed "anti-whiteness"--typical white supremacist lunatic babble that perceives any defense against its outrages as an attack. No one is entitled to defend themselves against hate unless somehow they are hateful himself. What Ethan hasn't told this DieHipster crowd but they are soon learning, Internet savvy and researching, is that for the past 20years Ethan as his crowd have put Williamsburg and Brooklyn under attack. For years theirs was "no one of anything lives in Williamsburg," "it's all junkies and hookers," "the Puerto Ricans have forfeited their residences by being Puerto Rican." For years and in many crowds they enjoyed nothing but sycophancy and blind acceptance of their racist attacks on Williamsburg. Thus was born my rhetoric and responses against them, in the same ways that DieHipster here must respond to the constant implication, if not downright expression, of eugenics, that Brooklyn was a wasteland until their magic touch. And yet this liar, like Goldson, Gould, Cole and others, is audacious enough to claim he cannot somehow escape the vitriol. Because again he describes himself, sickening even himself but only expunging if he can project and invert his hate and white supremacy onto others.

But like I said, HIP IS HAM.
June 18, 2013, 2:47 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And Diehipster, is this nutcase your ally? Is this where you want to bring your blogging career? Into a class war in Brooklyn that kicks up bile like this? Or maybe you would like to consider a broader range of humor in your writing, instead of just picking on one group. Maybe a humorous kind of writing that picks on everyone, in the real spirit of Brooklyn.
June 18, 2013, 2:49 pm
jt from 11249 says:
I am sure that the residents of St Thomas, where the Colonel Bambini is busy gentrifying (or grantifying as his website states,ha) would love his little racist patois bit. Really hamming it up, huh. Are you wearing blackface while you type?
June 18, 2013, 2:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As previously stated, the "ubiquitous attack" against hamsters that Ethan claims is a projected inversion if the bohemian imaginary. If not for the constant attacks on the community of Williamsburg, a person like Ethan, bereft of talent but for outrage against his neighbors (and so talented this Williamsburg demonology), he would pass the streets of the Southside completely unknown, and he unknowing It. But he provokes and then pretends astonishment someone dares respond--while he portrays himself as "courageous" for doubling-down on his provocation. Again, his conduct on this thread is perfect symbol. Scan this thread, pay attention to the timing: who said what when? Ethan has come on the past two articles screaming for my name, coupled with outrages, knowing by doing so someone will notice and tell me. Did I get I this thread before him? No. But he makes it seem in his derangement that he is "courageously" responding to me. Or to DieHipster. He knows he lacks substance, which is why he pads his outrages with the ludicrous notion I personally put instruction into the head of the gay-basher who hurt that young man. Meanwhile, Ty is there to call anyone crazy who notices crazy. A moron leading an idiot.
June 18, 2013, 2:56 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:

Dennis sinneD:

"Of course I have no congress with Die Hipster."

Dennis sinneD once again:

"DieHipster, I support you openly."
June 18, 2013, 2:58 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Note how this obsession carries over into this last post ostensibly directed to DieHipster? Ethan is up there talking about how the Puerto Ricans are some aberrant "exception" to be excised by him and his peers through gentrification, but he is audacious enough in the same thread to beg DieHipster not attack a "specific demographic." This is a Freudian delight--you cannot take any accusation by Ethan seriously unless you first note it in his own behavior.
June 18, 2013, 2:59 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You:
"Condos are great?"

You, earlier:
"Condos got Miami up in Williamsburg and are the worst part of gentrification."

Which is more heinous? That I find DieHipster comedic or that you support condominiums before one audience and deny them in the other? And, I had no congress withDH BEFORE. Now I do. FULL SUPPPORT.
June 18, 2013, 3:05 pm
ty from pps says:
Is this a sexual congress? Or just a skipping rope sort of congress?
June 18, 2013, 3:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ew. Chalk that one up from Ty as educational.
June 18, 2013, 3:14 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
It is entirely appropriate that I smoked out Dennis sinneD on the same page as Diehipster. They're both local nutjobs who have attacked my people in my Brooklyn. So now I've got Dennis kissing Diehipster's ass, now I just have to see if Diehipster will take the bait. Strategy as usual. Just looking after my peeps.
June 18, 2013, 3:19 pm
jt from 11249 says:
Oooh a homophobic jab from Eva! Your husband wouldn't know jack squat about physical training. I've seen his photo. The black t shirt uniform with the sleeves cut off. Sagging skin and withered muscles. Blech. Get dressed. Bambini too. What's with the Johnny Goomba t shirts anyway? Oh yeah, Vincenzo is your token cugino. Smacks of some real Brooklyn "authenticity" doesn't it.
June 18, 2013, 3:21 pm
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Oh I loves white wimmins!

https://www.facebook.com/kaitlyn.hipple
June 18, 2013, 3:37 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Never show your face in Williamsburg, Bambino tough guy talker but hiding behind a pseudonym. Because when you do, and I will pay attention to where Ethan is to track you, we're "talking" face to face and we'll see how much the film of a pseudonym protects you.

Otherwise, Kaitlyn teaches an awesome yoga class today and on Sunday. Come if you're a courageous as you and Ethan pretend you are. I'll be there.
June 18, 2013, 3:48 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And Ethan, neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as I do. Ask your wife. She knows. You do, too.
June 18, 2013, 3:51 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Strategy? HAHA. A desperate gambit for audience, reaching. The same strategy employed for 30 years now--the kind where no one, I mean NO ONE BUT BAMBINI AND SCHICKER AFTER ALL THESE YEARS reflects or remembers any enterprise you've ever been involved in. HAHA. What strategy! B!HOLD! To pretend your pathetic insomnia is strategy. YOU ARE FUNNIER THAN DIEHIPSTER.

Neither you nor Bambini like the "white wimmins" as much as me. Ask your wife. She knows.
June 18, 2013, 3:56 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I support condominium development. I support any development that will concentrate as many people as possible in the inner cities. Provided it does not mean ripping down historically landmarked buildings. That is, not at the expense of preservationism. And I do not deny that it is a crime that some beautiful old industrial buildings in Williamsburg were not landmarked in time to protect them from demolition. Nor do I deny that some condominiums are perfectly hideous. But in the arc of things, you want to have more people in the city using public transportation and bicycles, and living in energy-efficient multi-dwelling buildings. Gentrification favors a more environmentally sustainable city. It is much better than the antiquated suburban model, where everyone is belching gas on the freeways just to get to their jobs in the city, while miles of empty buildings stand unused in the inner city. I favor a complete revision of the zoning scheme in New York, which would allow hipsters to live and work in old factory buildings. Not just a "loft law," but a rezoning that would create a "live-work pilot zone" across all of Bushwick. The economic benefit to the city would be phenomenal.
June 18, 2013, 3:57 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
It's about time you wiped away the froth, but I have to pop your bal/loon: no one cares what you think or perceive about Williamsburg. Your lies, slander and bigotry, all extending through your wholesale projected inversion, have forfeited you any rights to "the Record."
June 18, 2013, 4:05 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I mean, that's why you're here, remember? Desperately seeking these young kids who don't know you (and you won't tell them).
June 18, 2013, 4:06 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Dennis, calm down. I have already changed Williamsburg. I have already made the world you live in. And I do not have this neurotic obsession with notoriety and getting attention that peppers every second sentence you write. Do you know how many come-ons from the press I have rejected? I'm way beyond that. Chooch Buster long ago decided to cultivate a local identity. I did the national and big city press years ago. It has no meaning. The local is everything.
June 18, 2013, 4:09 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
There are many who changed Williamsburg but you did nothing of merit here. Irrespective your "bohemian imaginary" you came because you were seeking property through sweat equity in 1983 [thus proving you were compelled by landlords and not the other way around] and left a few years later. The only change you had was in ruination and sabotage: you sabotaged Minor Injury, Waterfront Week and Ex-Static Press. Kate Yourke. Chris Lanier. Joe Matunis. These are persons who carried Williamsburg forward alongside their older neighbors. AND you sought to sabotage their work. I'm down with change. As intellectual as you believe yourself, you're too stupid to know that I'm not against change. ON THE CONTRARY, GENTRIFICATION GELDS SOCIETY. IT DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH IN ITS ADVANCEMENT, WHICH IS WHY IT MUST GIVE PIECEMEAL AND NOT WHOLE.

As for that whole "I'm not into notoriety thing," must we copy-paste again, right on this thread, all your impotent insomniac outrages? PLEASE. You came onto this board praying notoriety. If I seek notoriety, why do you constantly call my name, seeking me, following me, obsessed?

As for that whole "I rejected national press"--this is supposed to be like when Die Hipster challenged you to prove how ANY Williamsburg "art" is seriously reflected and you were like "Williamsburg art is in museums all over the world, in every hall and corridor, written on the sky and polluting the oceans," right? PLEASE. No one from the national media gives a fudge about you. You sound so stupid and silly. And given that no one, as evidenced here, also takes you seriously here on Brooklyn Paper, the "local" for you has been nothing at all.
June 18, 2013, 4:21 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And here is proof and type, succinct, of the "change" you offer: condominiums. Here is mine: university. Tell me again how your change is meaningful, how anything that you conceive has "advanced" Williamsburg.
June 18, 2013, 4:31 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
No one has to care what I think or perceive about Williamsburg. I'm not asking them too. They just have to agree with ideas that I also happen to hold which are correct ideas. To wit, that environmentalism and urban density are eminently compatible. This is why your "tree hugger" who complains about "gentrification" is basically conflicted. Trees get mowed down when malls and suburban tracts are pushed into the countryside. This kind of development should be focused inside of metropolitan areas, where there are still miles of brownfields in disuse.
June 18, 2013, 4:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
So incredibly incredibly stupid. No one cares means no one agrees with your "ideas." What "ideas"? A general summary is an idea? There are no ideas. You're a typical agent of gentrification, indeed, an eminent agent: you imagine your imagination.
June 18, 2013, 4:34 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And what profound dissonance! You're not "asking them" to "care what [you] think or perceive about Williamsburg"? Is this part of your comedy act? THIS ENTIRE THREAD HAS BEEN YOU BEGGING FOR MY APPEARANCE, AND YOU BEGGING DIE HIPSTER TO THINK THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT GENTRIFICATION, and here you are, audacious enough to pretend "you're not asking." PLEASE. Get off that crack, brother. It's not helping.
June 18, 2013, 4:36 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
A university is a great idea. I testified for it at a City Council hearing that you bailed on because pride prevented you from being seen in the same room as Stephanie Eisenberg. Oh you've got a jones for her! Jewish princess who's father ran factories in Williamsburg, beloved by the local Latinos who worked in her family business for generations. Oh yeah, that gets your goat pretty bad. We know.
June 18, 2013, 4:41 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I am not saying anything is "my idea." This is your own egotistical delusion. You get high, you scrawl an "idea" on a whiteboard, it doesn't happen, you want to sue someone for not making it happen. You don't even know what an idea is. They require work. I have worked and built many things in Brooklyn, you've just mentioned a few of them. Tell me one thing you have built here in the 20 years of your tirade.
June 18, 2013, 4:48 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Still thinking? One thing you have made, one difference you have made in the 20 years of your froth.
June 18, 2013, 4:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Excuse me? When I left the partnership of Ex-Static Press, you threatened to sue me for "lost income." I have the email to prove it. Now you're inverting again.

As for "you created many things" and challenging me to prove mine--what are you, reaching puberty now?

And I didn't testify at the City Council because you wanted me to testify against the Hispanic coalition. Sure, I've had problems with Eisenberg, but that had more to do with CPC/R than any of your baiting nonsense. Please.
June 18, 2013, 4:57 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I've lived and loved here all my life.'unlike you, leaving because swear equity got you exploited. That is more than any sabotage you have ever encountered. Ask your wife about almost making babies--which has been out of the reach of your "creations."
June 18, 2013, 4:59 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I paid the rent on an office, paid to print a book, designed the book myself, wrote the best poetry in the book, took all the photographs in the book, posted the thing to Amazon.com, paid for that, paid for the barcode. What did you do? Smoke pot? Leave the lights on like an adolescent? Leave candy wrappers all over the office? You are clueless about what it takes. You think everything comes from the department of humans services. You think it's all welfare, you think it's an entitlement. You see hipsters starting shops and galleries and making movies and writing books, and you think it must have been handed to them by "daddy." You have no connection to the culture of entrepreneurism. And this is why you attribute "gentrification" to some nefarious handout, rather than to the work of thousands of individuals who would rather build something than sit around on crack shooting guns at each other.
June 18, 2013, 5:06 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I could give squat about how you would have testified at the City Council hearing. Why would you care how I "wanted" you to testify. Do I have that much influence on you? We were supposed to testify for a university. We pulled work and resources together. You were supposed to be the Latino firebrand. You could have said any damn thing you liked. You dropped the ball. You let down the team.
June 18, 2013, 5:10 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You are a lazy gasbag. That simple. You spend all your time complaining, demanding, and threatening. Have you ever even written a newspaper article about Brooklyn that requires research? As I have, for the Brooklyn Eagle and WG and others, many times?
June 18, 2013, 5:27 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Withal. You are the "White Artists Go Home" specimen of ghetto rage from the early 90s, who, well, never quite happened. But you make an interesting comparative study with "Die Hipster" in that you are both symptoms of a certain kind of reactionary xenophobia that is not in the least bit characteristic of Brooklyn, much as the two of you constantly thump your local "authenticity." As far as I can tell, there are two of you in a city of 3 million over a span of 20 years. And this during a time of tremendous upheaval and difficulty in the borough. This is not lost on Chooch Buster. It is clear that native Brooklynites are an overwhelmingly tolerant and unprejudiced people.
June 18, 2013, 5:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Despicable liar, have I roasted your ass again. You lie once again about your involvement with In-Krylon-not-sharpie: you contributed only one poem, that awful poem I will post once I return home. Everything else was written by me with Eva. The concept was mine and Eva's. The photography's was Eva's. The layout and design were mine and Eva's. True, you covered the expenses and rent--of that I don't doubt. But precisely why you are bitter about this "welfare" nonsense. You had nothing. Eva and I were doing ALL the production and you contributed nothing else. In later stages you proferred useless suggestions that were clearly counterproductive if not sabotage. And now you want to make claim it was your work. Base deceiver. You are the Randian mooch you project. How could your amateurish thoughts rise to the urbanum tremendum et fascinans, but you are a devil, telling people in public that my work was in fact yours. This is alone of your êntire art career that you choose to boast about: MY WORK.
June 18, 2013, 6:35 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And this is precisely why I can't fathom Eva. She alone can expose these lies about the work behind In-Krylon-not-sharpie and the Chronicle B!HOLD. And yet her silence enables your lies. I publicly call on her to tell the truth about who did the work and who paid the bills (that willing cuckold).

And that nonsense about candy wrappers and left-on lights: what incredible petty lies and nonsense. How fascinating you focus this untruth, but you devil, every moment I was at Tzimtzum I was working, writing, researching and designing In-Krylon-not-sharpie. The "lazy" was you, roaming the halls searching for young "artist" girls to predate, and when you failed sitting around to impress the young girls, you were importing European exchange students to exploit. You slime ball. It was you that never worked. You kept Baudrillard on your shelf at tzimtzum but never bothered to read him--symbolic of this whole newest deception.
June 18, 2013, 6:40 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And truly you are a buffoon if you are trying to dare people into reading the articles you wrote for WG news and others. Those were researched? They were investigative and meaningful? You kid yourself. It was rank amateurish work and I hold any essay I wrote against those fluff yellow journalism pieces. what a perverse joke.
June 18, 2013, 6:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I'm just fixed on this whole candy wrappers thing. You clearly said that to sync with that nonsense about me canoeing--as if you weren't there smoking pot with me and Eva. I remember when you had that —— "gallery opening" and mixed tobacco with pot and you almost fainted! Who brought you to the futon and tended to you? The "artists" who all left you there alone? No. I did. And here you are debasing my time and labor at Tzimtzum with nonsense about "candy wrappers." Hey flabby arms in the "muscle shirt": you're the candy-bar chomper. Anyone who knows me, especially after taking a look at you (naked) knows I don't eat candy bars, you p/Rick.
June 18, 2013, 6:59 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You are delusional. You were a basket case in my office. You did nothing. You gassed at the wind and smoked weed. As usual, the whole project was carried by "white artists," by hipsters. The whole building in fact. A building you hated for that reason, because it was a hipster enterprise through and through. You had absolutely no clue how to produce a book, and you were useless without us. And when the gig was up, you acted like your welfare check hadn't arrived. You acted like I owed you something.
June 18, 2013, 7:05 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
1. chickens - bfd
2. you really can tell who doesn't have a gf or get laid on any regular basis
June 18, 2013, 7:11 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
1. chickens - bfd
2. you really can tell who doesn't have a gf or get laid on any regular basis
June 18, 2013, 7:11 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
your filter should filter
June 18, 2013, 7:14 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Dang, Ethan, if Mo Bahc knew you could write this one day he would have kicked your ass out of Minor Injury so fast!!! and never let it back in.

"we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle"

As for the rest of your garbage here, you are baiting Dennis, craving his attention! I would say grow up, but Honey, you are older than the hills now, too late.
June 18, 2013, 7:19 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Dang, Ethan, if Mo Bahc knew you could write this one day he would have kicked your ass out of Minor Injury so fast!!! and never let it back in.

"we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle"

As for the rest of your garbage here, you are baiting Dennis, craving his attention! I would say grow up, but Honey, you are older than the hills now, too late.
June 18, 2013, 7:19 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
I am going to make sure the ghost of Mo Bahc sees what you wrote here:

"As usual, the whole project was carried by "white artists," by hipsters."

As of today, you are never allowed to USE his name again, for your self-promotional games.
June 18, 2013, 7:23 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You cite things that I have caused to happen, and then take issue when they no longer happen, as if my enterprise were an entitlement, as if it were welfare, as if I were a social worker. You have contempt for artists, deny that they are productive, and then you cry like a baby when their production ceases in some given area. It is the very yodle of entitlement, the apogee if the welfare imaginary.
June 18, 2013, 7:27 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
@Virginia. I am talking about one building in Bushwick as the enterprise of hipsters, I am not talking about the Mo Bahc Dynasty. And there's no way Mo could have thrown me out of a publicly funded gallery on which I labored. It was a democracy, not a politically correct autocracy.
June 18, 2013, 7:35 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
HA HA HA HA HA ... "Not allowed" to use the name of Mo Bahc? And from what Internet porn site does this edict emit, may I ask, Virginia?
June 18, 2013, 7:51 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Furthermore, Virginia, I am engaging a dialogue by the tenor and rules that have been condoned by Brooklyn Paper. It is not possible to be effective in this dialogue using mamsy pamsy pc language. The context of my words here has to taken into account. Especially as, unlike you, I am still a member of the Brooklyn community, and I am standing up to a campaign of hate language in my own community. I am baiting no one. I am challenging a hate campaign. So why don't you just troll along now.
June 18, 2013, 8:20 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In-Krylon-not-sharpie went through various drafts, but in the end it was approximately 50 pages spread landscape using 25 or so of Eva's photographs [depending on the draft]. Each of the 50 pages contained copy, rumination on mysticism and tagging that reflected Eva's curiosity over Kabbalah and my formal training in religious studies. Ethan lacks any of this training but is jealous of it, which is precisely why he has often tried an abortion comparing "artists" to "religion." He has been ridiculed here on this thread over exactly that. Of all the pages of copy, Ethan contributed only this, completely incongruent to the rest of the copy. It was some narcissistic nonsense, a masturbation that was imposed upon the project to placate Ethan's petulance about his exclusion. Anyone who reads In-Krylon-not-sharpie will immediately notice this sole interpolation by Ethan:

"“Thee, candescent juggernaut,
Infeudated brawn of faith,
By one confounding calculation
Transfigured into occulting light.
Once you were the wings of Gotham
And the pinion of her spine;
Thou art now titled Glorious Bastard,
And here is the fury this time.”
Williamsburg”

So much for the idea over who was exactly doing what at Ex-Static Press. In fact, Virginia Hoge is here, and she herself can attest to the writing between In-Krylon-not-sharpie, and my own rumination on mysticism and tagging on my personal facebook wall. Anyone who wants to investigate the veracity of my account against Ethan's can simply friend me under "Dennis Farr." I welcome all inquiry.

All that other stuff is projected nonsense. Especially "gasbag." Ethan is making extravagant claims while audaciously demanding, this liar, of proof from others.
June 18, 2013, 8:20 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Anyone who wants a pdf copy of In-Krylon-not-sharpie can email me at dennis.farr@gmail.com
June 18, 2013, 8:21 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here is a link to a significant page found in In-Krylon-not-sharpie that anyone can publicly access on my Facebook timeline:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=987329017655&set=pb.8401715.-2207520000.1371605476.&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc1%2F998686_987329017655_1136349308_n.jpg&size=720%2C450

On the left is photography by Eva Schicker. On the right is a grid representing the particular configuration of a domino game featured in another of my works, the Chronicle B!HOLD! Williamsburg El Puño Luminoso del Rey [the Luminous Fist of the King]. Copy by me is all around and under the stylized grid [the illustration of the grid was by Eva]. Eva and I decided to put this photo by her with this copy by me because the image of the domino game grid was visually congruent to the subject of her photograph [a "code" tagged upon a piece of debris in an open field]. Ethan is conspicuously absent in this important portion of In-Krylon-not-sharpie. He had no influence or participation in the decision or design behind this page or any other in In-Krylon-not-sharpie but for the ONE PAGE featuring his awful standing-out-like-a-sore-thumb poem.

I want to go into detail like this to demonstrate that, unlike Ethan, when I make claims about my work or my relationship with Ethan or our previous partnership in Ex-Static Press, that I argue with substance and not solely with slander, slur, innuendo and downright lies. And all the while I will continue to detail my arguments with evidence, I challenge Ethan to enjoy a taste of his own medicine.
June 18, 2013, 8:38 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I will be perfectly substantive here and stand on every one of my words. Dennis has contempt for artists and consistently denies that they are creative or productive. Yet, he benefits from that productivity. And then, when that productivity ceases, he rants and rails as if he has been denied some right. It is perfectly pathetic, it is a case study in the welfare mentality, and it is very much the story of the book we published for him.
June 18, 2013, 8:55 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Mo Bahc would have thrown you out onto the street if he knew you were capable of writing what you have here, Ethan.

Your Using, his name and his gallery for so long, that has ended today.

I am blocked from your "Metropolis of Williamsburg, Greenpoint, and Bushwick" Facebook page, it proves how you have used Mo Bahc and your distortions of your importance in those times, like the self-serving pundit of "Hipsterism" you have become.

You have no right to those times because you have defiled their message and used it for your personal agenda.
June 18, 2013, 8:55 pm
ty from pps says:
Wow... I thought this was sad, but this back-and-forth has really gone way beyond pathetic.
June 18, 2013, 8:59 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
All that other nonsense is more of the same insubstantial rhetoric [while Ethan says it has substance as if saying it will make it so], but what is important here: "the book we published for him." I am this and that, all the reductions Ethan claims I am, and Ethan is my superior and master, incredible strategist, thinker and businessman, YET HE PUBLISHES MY WORK. And while Ethan is ranting against welfare recipients here as if it is anathema to him, he has no other reason for the fact he published my work but that he gave me welfare or that Eva and I worked on a project that he was only financially responsible on.

He has nothing. Like back then. He makes all these accusations but backs none of it up, unlike myself, substantiating every claim I make here. His demands for proof from others, this ad hominem, this character assassination and lies is his hope that others will have to be distracted away from the strong case against his duplicity, his lack of professionalism, and his pretense of "art."
June 18, 2013, 9:01 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Its an interesting irony you used the word Metropolis, inadvertently, to name your self-serving FB page glorifying your role back in the day Ethan.

The film was all about the subservience of the People to Power. Your derisive comments here have proven, you work for the Man.

Mo Bahc would have had nothing to do with you, if he knew that was your future agenda. Nothing.
June 18, 2013, 9:03 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Its an interesting irony you used the word Metropolis, inadvertently, to name your self-serving FB page glorifying your role back in the day Ethan.

The film was all about the subservience of the People to Power. Your derisive comments here have proven, you work for the Man.

Mo Bahc would have had nothing to do with you, if he knew that was your future agenda. Nothing.
June 18, 2013, 9:04 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Its an interesting irony you used the word Metropolis, inadvertently, to name your self-serving FB page glorifying your role back in the day Ethan.

The film was all about the subservience of the People to Power. Your derisive comments here have proven, you work for the Man.

Mo Bahc would have had nothing to do with you, if he knew that was your future agenda. Nothing.
June 18, 2013, 9:04 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
old time brooklyn from slope says:

1. chickens - bfd
2. you really can tell who doesn't have a gf or get laid on any regular basis
3.Mo Bahc must have done a grade a bj r owes Virginia a shipload of $
June 18, 2013, 9:13 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And one more thing about this whole "welfare check" nonsense: I LEFT. There was no end and then my expectation of a welfare check. You wanted to copyright, brand and commercialize the term "urbanum tremendum et fascinates" and alienated me. You wanted no "art." You wanted REVENUE, but want to tell all these other people that you're an "artist." And when I left you threatened to sue me over loss of income. The one who expected the welfare check was YOU. I didn't expect or want anything to do with you or Eva.
June 18, 2013, 9:15 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
"Just looking after my peeps."

Who are your "peeps" Ethan?

These?

"we have to come here from out of town and show you how to run the place, for the simple reason that all you mooks have roundly demonstrated in the course of 40 years that you are too stupid to run the place yourself. You live in a sewer, you eat deep-fried pig turd from White Castle"

Show you how to run the place? WTF is your problem.
June 18, 2013, 9:16 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That is, I LEFT EX-STATIC PRESS. You did not end operation of the business and then waited for my supposed expectation of a welfare check. In fact, you continued Ex-Static Press and hoped I returned, but like the people behind Minor Injury [like Virginia here] or the Waterfront Week, I wanted nothing to do with you or anything you thereafter touched.
June 18, 2013, 9:17 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
Forget Animal Farm. This comment section should be called One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
June 18, 2013, 9:20 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
"3.Mo Bahc must have done a grade a bj r owes Virginia a shipload of $"

Hello Vincent. Crude and vulgar, as always. Now go post summore on the Williamsburg Metropolis page. lmfao.
June 18, 2013, 9:26 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I was thinking that if this thread is going to go up to 2000 comments I'm going to move away from the focus on Ethan's drama towards meaningful thought. May I recommend Jonathan Smith to all these newcomers complaining about fight but ignoring their own dramatics? I am currently reading, germane, To Take Place. I also like his anthology of essays, Relating Religion. Here is an interesting passage in To Take Place [chapter 2, "Father Place"]: "Space is conceived as being already existent, as being divided up into empty loci into which the images by which memories would be recalled are placed. The loci are thought both to preexist and to survive the memories...But what if matters be reversed? What if space were not the recipient but rather the creation of the human project? What if place were an active product of intellection rather than its passive receptacle?"
June 18, 2013, 9:27 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, and Virginia, please excuse my manners. How are you? Good to hear from you again. This Ethan has really gone gazonkers. Hope his nonsense isn't troubling you too much.

Anyway, remember Yi-Fu Tuan, the humanist geographer that I and Kate Yourke and you posted about two years or so ago? Guess who I am reading right now, summarizing and exploring him? Jonathan Smith in To Take Place! Man, I love this book.
June 18, 2013, 9:46 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Virginia is a serious hot piece of ass - no lie -ask anyone :)
June 18, 2013, 10:03 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
@Virginia. I am not familiar with this Metropolis page you're talking about. And you were blocked from it. Hmmm. Are you a troll by any chance?
June 18, 2013, 10:24 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
@Virginia. I am not familiar with this Metropolis page you're talking about. And you were blocked from it. Hmmm. Are you a troll by any chance?
June 18, 2013, 10:24 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Hello Dennis! Well, I will say, Ethan's bigoted comments do trouble me, unreal! I would have never thought him capable of them.

But I attribute them to the source, a source I have sadly seen deteriorate over the years and become more and more self-serving, a pundit for Hipsterism at its worst and most ugly, most cloning. Sad.

I will take a look into Yi-Fu Tuan, anyone wise, who can look at this madness and help us find wisdom to see our way Clear, is so great.
June 18, 2013, 10:33 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
"I am not familiar with this Metropolis page you're talking about."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Northbrooklynarchives/?fref=ts

lmfao. What is the song? Lie, straight-faced?
June 18, 2013, 10:35 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"What if space were not the recipient but rather the creation of the human project? What if place were an active product of intellection rather than its passive receptacle?"

That's Immersionism. Practiced in Williamsburg by Bohemians in the 90s. Part of our spiritual practice. The activation of space, and its integration as organic and social unity. There's been a fair amount of writing on the idea in recent years. Looks like Dennis is discovering ideas in books that came to life more than 20 years ago in his own back yard.
June 18, 2013, 10:38 pm
Virgini555 from The World says:
Just stop Ethan. The words Spiritual Practice ring so false in you mouth.

As I said, your ass is kicked out onto the street now.
June 18, 2013, 10:43 pm
Virgina555 from The World says:
I am not afraid of you Ethan, or your fellow trolls, like Vincent.

Your vulgarities here, the bigotry you have posted, the elitism, is all just further proof of how far you have separated yourself, from the Williamsburg of the past which you have tried to sooooooo capitalize on.

I will not let you do that.

I was there in the old days, I know the truth from lies.
June 18, 2013, 10:54 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Place as a fundamental component of ritual. Ritual. in other words, cannot be abstracted from place. This is Immersionism. In Williamsburg, these practices drew from occult and secular sources, a fusion of paganism and aesthetic theories of space. Interestingly, it was not an idea that sat well with Mo Bahc and the Minor Injury set, as I recall. MI was more about left wing postmodernism. The warehouse scene confronted exactly this matter of place and ritual that Smith talks about. And it was considered a little too extreme by some people in the gallery scene. And it was. It was a spiritual practice, and very much about the coming into being of place.
June 18, 2013, 11:07 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Virginia, you are sexually attracted to Dennis, and that's great. I'm happy for you. And you are also mildly homophobic. Which is also fine. But these things disqualify you from being an impartial judge in these matters. You troll for Dennis. You do not consider both sides of an argument. You're a bimbo, there's no character in you. It's all just this lind of icky cheerleading from you.
June 18, 2013, 11:36 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
You all need to stop spitting out those pills that the nice nurse gives you.
June 18, 2013, 11:48 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Meanwhile I really do like Dennis' discussion of place and ritual because it really does speak to my experiences of Williamsburg. Virginia's memories all go back to Minor Injury. I broke with Minor Injury and became an Immersionist. Our experiences are not the same. In the few times we have encountered each other online, Virginia promptly trolls right into me on behalf of Dennis or Mo. So yes, Virginia, I "get it." But what's the point.
June 18, 2013, 11:53 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I disagree with Dennis and I distanced myself from Mo. Virginia thumps for Dennis and Mo. Wonderful. And so what.
June 19, 2013, 12:01 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
What about bigotry against hipsters. Virginia seems to have no problem with that bigotry. Bigotry against anyone else calls for a report to the department of cultural sensitivity. But bigotry against people she doesn't like is okay. Total mush.
June 19, 2013, 12:40 am
Colonel Sanders from Bushwick Plamtation says:
Animal Farm. A most suitable title after all.
June 19, 2013, 1:31 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
See? You take from me, and claim it is yours. Like this quote from Jonathan Smith's To Take Place--as I said earlier. You are jealous of my training in religion and wish you could graft it onto your skinless vampirism, to portray the agents of gentrification as bodies in a "religion." Which is what you do--you have no originality. You take from others and pass it off on your own. BUT YOU ARE SO INCREDIBLY STUPID YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT JONATHAN SMITH DOES NOT AGREE THAT THIS IS A VALID PREMISE. He introduces this quandary in his book to provoke a discussion into mnemotechnics and summarizes each side of the many scholarly arguments to draw conclusions about "space" and "place." Smith [or myself quoting him] can say one thing--if it sounds authoritative [which is what you seek, "authority" and "authentication,"--all words derived from "author" not "artist" in telling etymology of your vampirism of myself and others] then you'll quote it and say "this is mine" or "this is what I do." And then I'll quote Smith presenting the opposite argument [as a reasonable scholar does; unlike you] but I won't mention his phrasing indicating he is simply measuring between theories, and you'll say "Oh, this is me, also"--namely because you're a leech and liar.

Like you, immersionism has nothing. No original thought. It does not "create" or represent "creators" or "creation" though it always behaves like creationism. It steals. It misrepresents. It outright lies about history. Like you, Immersionism can copy-paste from others and graft contradicting narratives together into one huge mishmash of bullspit and say "This is us," until tomorrow, when the next contradicting narrative comes in that sounds authoritative to sycophants and you can maybe finally get that acknowledgement you so desperately crave.

You want to pretend to know religion and ritual so you can try wowing people, but you don't even know art. Like Baudrillard, you don't understand Smith, or "place" for that matter. You remind me of those sycophants in the punk scene who used to think they could sound like they had "street cred" by name-dropping every band on Earth. So we used to make up names for bands, and say "You heard of this?" and you would say "They are great. They are me. I am them" and the prattle would continue with them not knowing they are nothing at all.
June 19, 2013, 4:46 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Don't be silly, Dennis, I fully confess my stupidity in religion and fully acknowledge your expertise there. Why is this suddenly a bone. In other words I'm mistaken, Smith is not an essentialist, he's an ideologist. Fine, whatever blows your hair back. All it means is that the Immersionists ARE essentialists and NOT themselves ideologists. No surprise, makes sense. They practically all have secular art school educations, and scant few if any have degrees in philosophy or religion. And, essentialism has long made deep inroads into the art world. The Immersionists are what you might call practicing phenomenologists. It's an old Soho thing, mixed in Williamsburg with a kind of popular occultism. But no, nothing very religious about it in the strict and refined sense. Whether the warehouse scene agrees with Smith or not, what struck me about the passage you read is the fetishization of space. This is very Immersionist, and very Williamsburg of that era. And for us it was a spiritual experience in the general sense of the word.
June 19, 2013, 5:25 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
It's funny, I detect in this whole animus against hipsters, against bohemians, against warehouse freaks, against the whole gypsy class of reviled "interlopers" in Brooklyn ... something very similar to Victorian anti-Semitism of the 19th century. A consummate inability of English Protestants to stomach the Hebrew faith. I think you and Diehipster may be having some of these symptoms.
June 19, 2013, 5:33 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You have an existential problem with my people. And it's deep. And Diehipster has inherited it. It is really quite fascinating.
June 19, 2013, 5:37 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
The constant accusations that I "steal," that I am a "vampire," that I "despoil the land" and on and on. Very anti-Semitic patterns and traits. A visceral need to silence and de-legitimize. Virginia too. She's a kind of a Teutonic harpie who sweeps down out of nowhere to tell me about Brooklyn, a place she hasn't lived in for 20 years. You guys are a riot, you should play the Catskills.
June 19, 2013, 5:45 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I remember the only interesting "art" back then in Williamsburg was mostly copy, ironically. Like long strings of phonics pieced together incoherently to force a communication. Like your messages here: you don't know what "ideology," "essentialism," or "phenomenology" are. Here you go saying "Smith is this" and therefore "I am that" but you've never even read Smith, and if you did, you wouldn't understand. You hope your readers don't either. Therefore, "immersionism" is those things--as long as the reader is unaware. You try to pretend now that you're not attempting any misrepresentation of "artists," "gentrification" and "religion" though dozens of previous posts suggest, like this forced polyphonic nonsense, the exact opposite. You want gentrification to be religion, because you see yourself as "prophet." And I likewise see that in you, a Prophet of Baal. As for "fetishization of space"--how incredibly stupid I hope you continue to freely admit. ALL SPACE IS FETISHIZED. That is Smith's point. Everyone does it. It sort of ruins the elitism of Immersionism, and continues to drive home the irony, that it is again unoriginal--basically grafting a word "immersionism" onto anything that is said that has a ring of valor [irrespective the actual definition] and saying "Yes, this is me. This is us."

And again, this deep existential problem with people is a projective inversion. You and your peers have since the beginning of gentrification put Brooklyn under attack with your nonsense of "Williamsburg before." Every single essay, article or observation made by "your people," the agents of gentrification, has been an attack on Williamsburg's community. And you privilege yourself as impervious to responses to your outrages, which is why you are flabbergasted that some have had enough of nonsense. Indeed, you came on this thread attacking me, deceitfully [like the gentrification], with flagrant charges of anti-Semitism and homophobia [because, again, you have nothing], as well as ridiculously racist nonsense about the Puerto Ricans who are "exceptional" and thus must be "excised." But God forfend I should respond, right? Because that would expose your "existential problem": your white supremacy. And indeed it is deep and twisted, so deep it must be discharged violently in projection.
June 19, 2013, 5:47 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And deep existential problem? You lost sleep last night and waited insomnia until this morning looking, desperate, for My Word. You're manhandling the film in the projector, you amateur.
June 19, 2013, 5:49 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I, on the other hand, slept soundly. Go get some sleep. And read a book before you misquote It again, you joke of a "thinker."
June 19, 2013, 5:50 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here, Ethan, Colonel Sanders [how telling], my theme song against you for today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mEQc4q22E

Listen to some Hans Zimmer while you go order Smith's To Take Place so you can keep it dusty on a shelf and impress a loitering sycophant.
June 19, 2013, 6:02 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And I remind you of a "name-dropping sycophant." A typical thing that might be said about an urbane Jew in cockney London. I think what you really mean is you're getting a little run for your money from me, and it pisses you off. What is the problem, am I upstaging you unfairly? Am I breaking up your little brooklyn paper show? Did I "bait you" because I referred to your hate literature in the context of that of Diehipster? Any historian can tell you they belong in the same footnote. Or is there a tacit agreement among over-heated latinophile white women not to bring up Dennis sinneD's racist past, even as the symptom appears again in the person of Diehipster? And some Jew broke the protocol?
June 19, 2013, 6:08 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Ah, I think I see now. You are infuriated by the casual and eclectic nature of bohemian discourse. Your religious temperament recoils at this, and surely we would be ——ed if you were the mayor of Williamsburg instead of the village idiot. You and Mullah Omar, baby! Moshiach! Help us!
June 19, 2013, 6:24 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
So isn't this the part where you brag about all the pu$$y you've had? Yeah, I've memorized your patterns. It's a Latin thing you do that cracks me up, because you have no idea how greeeeezy it appears to white people. You actually think it's a rhetorical score, and it's like totally ... ew!
June 19, 2013, 6:48 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ha! You saw how effective it was to highlight TY's spontaneous mental photograph of myself and DH en flagrante but It re/coils--to cast from your own words this time, your medicine. What an interesting racist stereotype and caricature of "Latino/s" you chose to impose me. You and your friends gossiping and rumormongering about your opponents' sexuality is a particularly unspeakable characteristic of agents of gentrification. A despicable lie, because I only "boast" of your cuckolding. Otherwise, further this latest outrageous entry into this argument with admissions of your own conduct, but spare the lies. I challenge you to quote once in the history of the past 20 years of my writing where I have ever exhibited what you're falsifying. As for the rest of all that "post," you're just repeating the same as hominem without any factual material whatsoever. Bromides and thought-terminating cliches. I feel I've wasted brain matter exposing my sight to your "words." Can you please do me the favor and better pretend some of that nonsense you did for WG News and Brooklyn Eagle: substantiate. I know It's Diffy/Cult for you am the "immersionists," with all those majestic responsibilities keeping up the falsehood of your claim to the honorific "artist/s." But do try to make something of this. You really wan to waste our time? There's people watching, Ethan. You wanted It. Is this the best you got? Tsk tsk
June 19, 2013, 7:03 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
*ad hominem
June 19, 2013, 7:04 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
And a splendid exposition of Jew-baiting xenophobia on your part as well old chap! Hats off to you! And what? People are watching you say? Well then I hope they've enjoyed watching me haul your ass up the flagpole. I'M certainly enjoying it! If you can't take it, then don't dish it. Tut tut, old chap.
June 19, 2013, 8:26 am
Colonel Slanders from Saint Thomas Plantations says:
But massa, my eyes be tailing me yo duh wone gaiting whoped.
June 19, 2013, 10:22 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
HA! Son you been beat. Colonel Sanders is not Vincent Bambini, that I can assure you. Look carefully at the thread, see what's in it. You have made the classic amateur's mistake of finding what you want to find, or finding what you fear you'll find. You and Virginia. And the result has been a wild goose chase to the Virgin Islands for the both of you. It points to your lack of analytical ability. You're running entirely on a pre-scripted cosmology of gentrification that consists of people you don't like. Is "Interloper" from Kent Avenue actually Stephanie Eisenberg? Is Inez from 11211 really Dennis Farr talking to himself? Up we go, up we go, up the flagpole we go. Ha ha.
June 19, 2013, 11:40 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hey empty braggart,

Read what I wrote earlier. I don't think Bambini is Colonel Sanders--it's you. Stupid man who is atop a pole himself, brain battered by the high winds of history into dement: you think I am Colonel Slanders while you're pretending you've cast a light on the pseudonymity here. No, I have written every word here under Dennis sinneD, unlike you. Hypocritically telling people "don't use multiple pseudonyms" while you've lacked the guts here to sign your real name. Ask Jenn Greenpointers. She moderated this thread and knows. Otherwise, all that other empty bragging has been Hector's dying breath battered under my chariot--Ovid Metamorphoses 7.762
June 19, 2013, 11:59 am
ARTY from Brooklyn says:
Andrew Ohanesian's next piece is an installation with chickens wearing cute costumes texting raccoons and grub worms on oversized cellphones.

While you are connecting your dots, Ethan, Inez is me, but nice try.
June 19, 2013, 11:59 am
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Notice that while Dennis fancies himself a kind of master of pseudonymity, he has very little idea of what a pseudonym really is or how it works. He thinks of it as a simple matter of concealment. Let me demonstrate his ignorance in this regard by asking him a simple question. Dennis, who is Chooch Buster?
June 19, 2013, 12:02 pm
ARTY from Brooklyn says:
I wish I wrote as well as Dennis. Thanks for the compliment, Ethan. Withered troll.
-Colonel Slanders.
June 19, 2013, 12:02 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I understand--you're running on fumes. You've got nothing to add that hasn't been decimated, and I fear that if I don't help you copy-paste the same tired slogans and anthems you'll suffer carpal tunnel syndrome for all your imagined virility. Here, yawn, let me help you. Copy-paste this so we can get through your boring better: "I imagine I kicked Dennis' ass, but I can barely raise my arms without rippling some flab." Yawn.
June 19, 2013, 12:04 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Why, Chooch Buster is a Nazi fetishist who pretends philo-semitism the way National Socialists were fascinated by Kabbalah (see Goodrick-Clarke's The Occult Roots of Nazism for excellent review), a devil, a pedophile who lures young artists into his studio to be propositioned, and failing that, luring young European exchange students with promises of dazzling yours into the art scene, thief and copyist--has this sufficed as to who "Chooch Buster" is?
June 19, 2013, 12:08 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Yes, Einstein, I know, I just got through saying "Is Inez from 11211 really Dennis Farr talking to himself?" This is just hide and seek. But who is Chooch Buster? Careful now, it's a more difficult question than you might think. We enter now upon the chi of pseudonymity.
June 19, 2013, 12:12 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
You're just ranting now, Dennis. It was perfectly obvious that you and Virginia thought Colonel Sanders was Vincent Bambini. It's all over the thread, a cut-and-paste of your own paranoia. Nor, however, is Colonel Sanders Chooch Buster. Wrong again. Yet who is Chooch Buster? Why can't you bring yourself simply to name Chooch Buster. Interesting, eh?
June 19, 2013, 12:22 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
It's called hiding in plain sight, my friend. Not your hoodie "cloak" from Krylon-Not-Sharpie. Not your hide-and-seek bugaboos. We're with Lacan and Duchamp now. The alchemy of Bohemia. Where a thing stands in plain sight and yet is bulletproof. And here you stand, unable to name the person who is Chooch Buster.
June 19, 2013, 12:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You are damaged. Your short-term memory is shot. I have never once said Colonel Slanders is Bambini. In fact, a couple of posts back I addressed you, Ethan Pettit, as Colonel Sanders. So yea, all that "you've never publicly identified Chooch Buster" is pure looney tunes: my first post herein I responded to you, "Ethan, fiend..." and nearly every post thereafter. So all that about my lacking courage to identify you is more of the usual projective inversion. It is you lacking courage to sign your name. No one needs courage to identify someone else, only to identify themselves. incredibly stupid of you. Seems like you're still mixing tobacco with pot.
June 19, 2013, 12:31 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And no, not as interesting as a substantive argument but one is provoked to respond because it is deception, and who wants to harm others with lies? You. But you know this; precisely why when you see you've bored me with baseless drivel you resort to outrages. You do It for attention and I oblige concerned about others.
June 19, 2013, 12:33 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
"WHAT'S MY NAME!!!"

- Muhammed Ali
June 19, 2013, 12:38 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
I am not saying you "lack courage to identify me" Dennis. I am saying you cannot identify Chooch Buster, and have not identified him. For the simple reason that I am a much greater master at this game than you are.
June 19, 2013, 12:44 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Is there anything here I need to answer? No? Anything interesting. Just so you know, Ethan, if I go silent for awhile while you're apoplectic en proteum its because there's nothing meritorious or worthwhile to respond to. Once there is, count on my re-entry. Otherwise, say hello to Eva for me.
June 19, 2013, 12:46 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And you know Lacan and Duchamp? Doubtful, given your record. More name-dropping for sycophants who don't know better, like punk bands that don't exist.
June 19, 2013, 12:47 pm
ARTY from Brooklyn says:
Ethan aka Chooch Buster: put this article on any one of your masturbatory facebook groups. Either the Metropolis of Williamsburg, Greenpoint & Bushwick page or the You probably lived in Williamsburg in the 80s if...
Maybe they want to play along. Share it to Bambini Art too. He could use some followers. I apologize for thinking Colonel was Bambini. I thought the fake patois bit was to cover his horrible spelling. It is you. They are probably all you. Silly little freak. Back to work!
June 19, 2013, 12:50 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Arty, have you seen that recent article where DH wishes Ethan's people would go grown in the Gowanus Canal sludge? It's pretty funny.
June 19, 2013, 12:52 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Your drivel is extremely tired, nobody reads it, you can't write. I am now harnessing it to some entertainment. You should thank me. You need a little help.
June 19, 2013, 12:52 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
*drown, but "grown in sludge" works, too. Haha oh that DieHipster--even his name is hilarious.
June 19, 2013, 12:53 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Master of the pseudo? Oh, definitely master of the fake, but moreso, masturbator pedo.
June 19, 2013, 12:59 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Good. Now where is this Diehipster guy. I need a better workout than that. 'EY CHOOCH !!!
June 19, 2013, 1 pm
Arty from Brooklyn says:
I'll have to check that out, Dennis. I love Diehipster. He's funny as hell, and is an absurd comedic catharsis to channel negative feelings I have over the horrors that hipsters and yuppies have brought. Can't arrest me for my thoughts! All the skinny arm metaphors are so good. I would have run out. I admire his perseverance.
June 19, 2013, 1:01 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
OMG Ethan, you are sure carrying on here!

You sure felt differently about Dennis when he had ideas you wanted a part of, they were Great ideas, the Krylon-not-sharpie, and you wanted a piece of them. Now you are bashing him, his ideas, and with racist slurs, this is ridiculous:

"Not your hoodie "cloak" from Krylon-Not-Sharpie."

this too:

"It's a Latin thing you do that cracks me up, because you have no idea how greeeeezy it appears to white people."

You don't have a single original idea of your own, whatever this is, is laughable:

"That's Immersionism. Practiced in Williamsburg by Bohemians in the 90s. Part of our spiritual practice."

hahaha, you have proven how un-spiritual Immersionism is, at least your warped, self-aggrandizing take on it, as always you want to feed the Ethan Ego Machine, and nothing else.

As for this:

"What about bigotry against hipsters."

Since you have appointed yourself as a pundit for hipsterism and then said the bigoted, elitist, inaccurate things you have posted here... you stuck your foot in your mouth! You MAKE them look bad.
June 20, 2013, 10:56 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
It is True. I seek No/Thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin
June 20, 2013, 7:22 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Krown of Krylon, urbanum tremendum et fascinans
June 20, 2013, 7:23 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I Am, ehyesh asher ehyeh, canoe Right Now, Ethan. But It cannot be mixed with tobacco, or the Head Goes Light and Bursts, Tzimtzum.
June 20, 2013, 7:25 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
shevirat ha-kelim, if "you" may ["you" cannot]
June 20, 2013, 7:26 pm
Chooch Buster from Park Slope says:
Yes, Virginia, I "get" that you're partial to Dennis. To say the least! But you live in California, Virginia. You have not lived in Brooklyn in 20 years. And you have only considered one side of the argument into which you so eagerly hasten. Therefore, Virginia, I'm afraid I cannot take you seriously.
June 21, 2013, 3:41 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
Honey, you live in yuppieville Park Slope, not all that different from the suburbs.

At least in your case.

You are going on and on and on here Ethan, and digging yourself into a hole, and taking Hipsterism right down with you.

I can only say, that you have proven yourself not a real Hipster, but a wannabe. Some of us are of the Joe Strummer variety, punks for life. We carry the ideology of those days with us, and no, bigot, it does not include bigotry and false feelings of hipster superiority. You have demonstrated here all too well, how stupid that is.
June 22, 2013, 5:21 pm
Virginia555 from The World says:
I was right when I said Mo Bahc would have kicked your ass to the curb, for the crap you have been posting here.
June 22, 2013, 5:22 pm

Enter your comment below

By submitting this comment, you agree to the following terms:

You agree that you, and not BrooklynPaper.com or its affiliates, are fully responsible for the content that you post. You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening or sexually-oriented material or any material that may violate applicable law; doing so may lead to the removal of your post and to your being permanently banned from posting to the site. You grant to BrooklynPaper.com the royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such content in whole or in part world-wide and to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or later developed.

First name
Last name
Your neighborhood
Email address
Daytime phone

Your letter must be signed and include all of the information requested above. (Only your name and neighborhood are published with the letter.) Letters should be as brief as possible; while they may discuss any topic of interest to our readers, priority will be given to letters that relate to stories covered by The Brooklyn Paper.

Letters will be edited at the sole discretion of the editor, may be published in whole or part in any media, and upon publication become the property of The Brooklyn Paper. The earlier in the week you send your letter, the better.