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No gravy train: Atlantic Ave. merchants say streetcar will ruin business

They swear it's Brooklyn's only choice: This is a rendering of the streetcar in Williamsburg, but you get the idea.
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They’re trolley dodging!

Atlantic Avenue merchants are railing against the city’s plan to run streetcars along the bustling retail corridor and truck route, which they believe will take away parking for customers and block trucks from making deliveries, and are urging officials to find a different place for it.

“Atlantic Avenue is already so crazy, we have concerns about where the cars are going to, where the trucks are going to go,” said Christine Whelan, who owns famed Middle Eastern grocer Sahadi’s between Court and Clinton streets.

Officials claim they’re still exploring various paths for Mayor DeBlasio’s $2.5 billion trolley, but sending the streetcar along Atlantic Avenue between Court Street and Henry, Hicks, or Columbia streets is the only connection between Cobble Hill to Downtown they’re proposing right now, as they hold meetings with community boards to discuss and finalize the route by early next year.

Regardless, they say, the Brooklyn-Queens Connector will ultimately be a boon to local enterprise, claiming similar systems have boosted business in other streetcar-using cities.

But traders on the already-popular strip say it seems like the change will just get in the way of the brisk business they’re already doing.

Atlantic Avenue currently has two traffic lanes and one lane of curbside parking in either direction. The streetcar will need at least 22 feet — approximately the same width as two standard travel lanes — to run in both directions, which will need to come by eliminating lanes, parking, or the strip’s 20-foot sidewalks, according to the head of the project.

Whelan depends on nightly truck deliveries and drop-offs from a tractor trailer once a week, and said that adding a curb-side streetcar to Atlantic Avenue could make it difficult for her suppliers to reach her store and to unload food.

“If I can’t get merchandise here, I’m not going to survive,” she said.

Customers also drive from far and wide to patronize the stretch’s many specialty stores, and they depend on parking space, another merchant claimed.

“We’re not just local businesses, people come to us, we’re a destination. I always need to have parking available,” said Matthew LaSorsa, who owns wine shop Heights Chateau at Henry Street. “There should be other alternatives that should be explored.”

Discussions about how parking will be configured on each block are still some time away, but the city is planning on working closely with the people and businesses it will affect, said Anthony Hogrebe of the city’s Economic Development Corporation, which is overseeing the project.

The head of the street’s business improvement district the Atlantic Avenue Betterment Association, Whelan, and another local business owners met with reps from city agencies involved in the project last week to voice their objections. The honchos were willing to take their issues on board, Whelan said, but also didn’t propose any other options.

“We shared our concerns and they were receptive,” she said. “I would love to hear some realistic, practical alternativ­es.”

The city expects to start building the streetcar system in 2019 and have it running in 2024.

Reach reporter Lauren Gill at lgill@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260–2511. Follow her on Twitter @laurenk_gill
Posted 1:24 pm, November 25, 2016
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Reasonable discourse

path from Brooklyn says:
Utilize off-street public land just west of the Waterfront Greenway along the perimeter of Brooklyn Bridge Park and the Red Hook Terminal . It's the perfect solution.

From Old Fulton St, run alongside Furman St (pulling it further west along the waterfront for the buildings built along the sidewalk property line OR right through the buildings themselves - it can be done), then along Columbia St, turning down alongside Degraw St, and then along Van Brunt St.

Red Hook will be an animal on-to-itself as always. A series of conflicting interests, each trying to outflank the other, pretending to be one community that it's never been.
Nov. 25, 2016, 10:54 am
Wavy Gravy from Boerum Hill says:
Whoa, no gravy train?
Nov. 25, 2016, 10:55 am
Me from Cobble Hill says:
Are these merchants nuts!

They'll be far more foot traffic with a Street Car than with parked cars that carry an average of 3 people per 20 feet per 1 to 2 hours daytime and 2 to 12 hrs at night (un metered).

More importantly, this isn't only about the merchants, but about the thousands of people that need another alternative, clean and quiet alternative, to get around our out traffic and carbon choked roadways (and the merchants should support their people).

The BQX is the best alternative that's come about in decades.
Nov. 25, 2016, 11:11 am
Watching REBNY Masters of DeBlah from Brooklyn says:
Retailers...small businesses-you are lower in the caste system of the Mayor's interests. Those whose business it is to promulgate towers in Brooklyn-developement oligarchs- and whose "support" for the BQX has everything to do with their impending structures on the waterfront-have the Mayor's ear and his campaign rerun funding...you do not. You...as are those displaced in the onerous gentrification schemes-paaydirt...face up to it.
Nov. 25, 2016, 11:46 am
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
Isn't there an actual tunnel already under Atlantic Ave for a good portion of it where it connects to the waterfront? ...We just not gonna use that or ...or what?
Nov. 25, 2016, 12:01 pm
Trollerskates from Moving Target says:
No Jim, using the tunnel will not take away any parking, or driving privileges for those using private automobiles. The streetcar has to make self absorbed private car drivers as miserable as possible.
Nov. 25, 2016, 1:05 pm
Hannah Noodles from Williamsburg East says:
If some businesses have to close, that's life. Did they say don't build the subway because then people could go to other neighborhoods and other stores. There used to be streetcars, and there was still a lot of buisnesses. It's all speculation.
Nov. 25, 2016, 1:58 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
I am realistically skeptical about the BQX because of the following: 1) There will be loss of parking spaces; 2) There will be a loss of traffic lanes; 3) There will be a safety hazard towards the cyclists, the drivers, as well as the pedistrians; 3) There will be gridlock through traffic since this will be slow; 4) The majority of the route will be on a flood plain, vulnerable to future floods, storm surges, as well as sea level rises; 5) The raw ridership numbers will not meet the projected ridership numbers; 6) There will be higher operating costs per passenger, making us taxpayers to pick up the tab; 7) I will not be surprised that the overall cost of this project will be at least double that given the design studies, environmental impact statements, engineering studies, utility relocation, construction, operation, as well as maintenance; 8) Based upon the given history of mega-projects in NYC, I will not be surprised that there will be major cost overruns through years of delays and billions over budget, due to the fact that the overall infrastructure in NYC is very old, very sophisticated, as well as very complex; 9) There will be a loss of small business revenue, in which will be replaced by big business revenue; 10) There will be increased gentrification along the route, furthering displace tens of thousands of residents.
Nov. 25, 2016, 2:47 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Closing off Atlantic Avenue to run the BQX will result to alternating volume on surrounding streets, and I doubt many of them can hold that. Another thing is that Atlantic Avenue is a major thoroughfare that commercial vehicles use a lot, and shifting them to the side streets will be a disaster. This is exactly why the Transitway for 34th Street in Manhattan was opposed yet those who wanted it kept on ignoring the problems due to their anti-vehicle bias. Please keep in mind that this route has yet to be approved and until the tracks are being built, no street should be closed off right now to vehicular traffic. BTW, if it must run on Atlantic Avenue, then about using that tunnel that was once used by the original trolleys and the LIRR so that none of the that would be closed off? Then again, it won't please the anti-car fanatics over on Transportation Alternatives or even Streetsblog because they wouldn't be giving motorists the royal screw job like they always want to do.
Nov. 25, 2016, 3:54 pm
Blyn84 from Downtown Brooklyn says:
I walk down Atlantic between Court and Clinton nearly every day of the week and cannot recall the last time I saw anyone get out of a car and go into a store. It's nothing but a parking lot for the neighborhood car owners who happen to get there first.

Note all the businesses sounding off against the BQX on Atlantic are in the Brooklyn Heights historic district. If the BQX is going to be so awful you would expect the merchants along Court Street to be upset as well. Yet that doesn't appear to be the case from any of the local reporting I've seen. Instead all the noise comes from a group of business owners who, I predict, will become a front for another BHA lawsuit against development in the neighborhood.
Nov. 25, 2016, 4:11 pm
Sid from Boreum hall says:
I like many others have been in the Atlantic avenue tunnel. It runs from approximately court street to hicks street. It's former entrance is between boreum place and court street. The exit is off hicks street and Columbia streets. The tunnel would need extensive repair and significant rerouting of utilities. But it could be done. there is no room to run the trolley by the Brooklyn bridge park unless you use Furhman street for part of it. Adding bus rapid transit here too would be difficult unless you close at least the northbound entrance of the bad. Trucks would have to use the tillary street northbound entrance either using Flatbush or the already overburdened jay street to get there.
Nov. 25, 2016, 4:26 pm
Sid from Boreum hill says:
Don't you just hate autocorrect.bad=bqe.
Nov. 25, 2016, 4:27 pm
Jeremiah Clemente from Old Mill Basin says:
Here's an idea: run a spur of the streetcar along Livingston and Fulton Streets to Ashland Place and Fulton Street, where a new bus terminal will be built to facilitate transfers between light rail, bus, and subway. Also, a spur would run from the terminal via Livingston and Fulton, head to the Cadman Plaza area where it would turn north via Cadman Plaza or Adams Street depending on direction and via Old Fulton Street to meet up with the line and continue north. A second line would leave the Downtown spur at Jay Street and run north on the street and through Dumbo where it would meet up with the line for continuing service north. The B25, B26 B38, B41, B45, B52, B67, and B103 buses would be cutback to the new bus terminal.
Nov. 25, 2016, 4:48 pm
ujh from Downtown Brooklyn says:
How do you propose to get a streetcar into/out of the tunnel underneath Atlantic Avenue at Court Street?

Don't forget that Furman Street won't be available as a streetcar route because of impending BQE cantilever repairs. And the Furman/Old Fulton Street route is no longer "penciled in" as an option on the most recent DOT map.
Nov. 25, 2016, 5 pm
Jim from Cobble Hill says:
Why not continue to tunnel all the way to Atlantic Terminal so it can connect to the 2, 3, 4, 5, N, R, B, D, Q, and LIRR so that potential customers and visitors from all over can come to the area from that major transit hub...?
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:22 pm
Bill the Blogger from Boerum Hill says:
PVR Jr and ujh have it right: trolley fanatics
hungry developers = Dark Ages for Downtown
Brooklyn. Mayor deBlah should have seen this
coming and now is too invested and shamed to
withdraw. $5 billion does seem likely as a final
price for this absurdity, not to mention damage
to business infrastructure.
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:30 pm
Down-Under from Atlantic Ave. says:
It would be an Atlantic Ave. Down-Under shuttle as it should be even if the BQX doesn't exist.

The existing tunnel could be extended up to Atlantic Terminal to make a connection to the Subway and LIRR. (who knows, after the known tunnel break, it likely does extend).

An Atlantic Ave. Down-
Under shuttle would be the perfect solution for the BQX and so many more objectives.

Just think about it; a Water Taxi at the foot of Atlantic Ave., BQX crossing Atlantic Ave. at Furman St & Columbia St., a Down-Under shuttle running between the waterfront and Atlantic Terminal, direct sub-interconnections to merchants with existing portals, street risers at key streets along Atlantic Ave. The waterfront, Brooklyn Bridge Park, the merchants, the community and Atlantic Terminal all connected. It's monumental!

The BQX just got better. After all, nobody ever said a street car couldn't have a Down-Under shuttle.

Problem solved ; )
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:30 pm
Sid from Boerum hill says:
No the tunnel doesn't extend down Atlantic east of Boerum place. The rail road entered the tunnel from Boerum place and went down to the then triving water front. It was a steam engine. Putting a new tunnel under Atlantic Ave east of Boerum place to Atlantic termine is a challange. F train and r train tunnels make it impossible. There may be a third track which forms part of the transit muesem goes at least to Hoyt street and may extend beyond that or could be expanded more easily down to Barclay center
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:45 pm
Sid from Boerum hill says:
The down town area is a labyrinth of tunnels already A B C F G Q R N M 2 3 4 5 to name a few
Water tunnels sewer lines electric gas and cable to name a few
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:50 pm
Sid from Boerum hill says:
The already existing Atlantic Ave unused tunnel has issues at the beginning and end but is generally unencumbered for its full distance...btw I left off the 6 train but added in the 4 by mistake

.I think
Nov. 25, 2016, 5:53 pm
Down-Under from Atlantic Ave. says:
Your right in saying it's a challenge to cross the F and R, but your wrong in saying it's impossible. An engineering feat at best.

IF we need to lower the F and R, then we lower them.

They do this stuff for Manhattan all the time. So it's time to do it for Brooklyn!
Nov. 25, 2016, 6:04 pm
Down-Under from Atlantic Ave. says:
...and to repeat, the tunnel may go all the way. Just because it's walled off, doesn't mean there's no tunnel on the other side.

Let's remove a few bricks and take a peek!
Nov. 25, 2016, 6:07 pm
MY 2 CENTS from Bay ridge , says:
Just so you are aware,no need to worry , this will not I repeat not happen in your lifetime ,mark my words ,they started working on the already existing BQE when i was in my late twenties ,I just turned 63 and they are still working on it ,so sleep tight and don't worry about it ,no trolley .not now not ever..................
Nov. 25, 2016, 7:04 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
someone said 'private cars' thank you for the chuckles
Nov. 25, 2016, 7:05 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
I guess I am walking into a trap by online trolls, just like Tal and all of the regular commenters who are focusing on sharing our own two cents on this hot-button issue from the article, who felt the same experience I'm in. I was shopping at 5 PM, making the impersonator's irrelevant and downright racist. That is the life of a web troll in a nutshell. Note that I am a naturalized US citizen born and raised in Brooklyn and I am a Puerto Rican and a Dominician. So I am entitled to my realistic opinion on these issues. Meanwhile, the impersonator who wrote that post at 5 pm was flagged. Does Brooklyn Paper did a great job making strict rules on the comments section, while keeping the task at hand? I am started to lose my trust in the Brooklyn Paper because of the unnecessary personal attacks in the comments section? Warning: Anyone who verbally attacked me outside of issues at hand will be flagged as a reported abuse. Anyway, even transportation experts will agree that the BQX will take forever to start, given the past delays and cost overruns on certain major city infrastructure projects in NYC.
Nov. 25, 2016, 8:20 pm
Sid from Boreum hill says:
The f train is already at two levels at Atlantic ave...this train caries over 200000 people each day. You really don't want to disrupt it for a smaller group there are pictures off the tlantic avenue tunnel. It went underground at court st and emerged off hicks. You can see the slopes at both end. AtlAntic ave rises from Smith to reach court. That was one end of the tunnel. At Flatbush ave you already have two lines that cross. Crossing them with a new underground tunnel might not be impossible but the cost would be in the billions and not practicable. The east side access cost over 10 billion.
Nov. 26, 2016, 12:44 am
Sid from Boreum hill says:
Wikipedia has an article called the cobble hill tunnel. Please read it to find out where it ends...
Nov. 26, 2016, 1:08 am
Billy B from The Underground says:
The Cobble Hill tunnel is real and hasn't been used since 1861.
Nov. 26, 2016, 1:46 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
How about we try closing off what is supposed to be the route of the BQX from vehicular traffic during the busiest times of the day and then we can see if having it is really a good idea or a bad idea?
Nov. 26, 2016, 3:54 pm
ty from pps says:
I hope they have bike racks on the front of the trolleys.

isn't a trolley underground just a subway?

why not a monorail?
Nov. 26, 2016, 5:22 pm
Poontanah De Buht from Park Slope says:
ty is right, why does this have to run on two tracks? Also, as he says, this will only be like the subway. Who needs that?!
Nov. 27, 2016, 12:07 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
HONEY Pooter, I am a millennial and I born and raised in the Southside section of Williamsburg in a century-old walk-up building with my large family with my single mother. My old residence was a couple of blocks away from the proposed streetcar route. During my life, I witnessed gentrification before my very eyes: the cost of living goes up from food, to rent, to electricity, to water, to gas, to transportation costs. Me and my family moved into a Bedford-Stuyvesant NYCHA public housing building because we need more space. Don't be surprised that the overall costs on the so called $2.5B BQX will be going up with years of delays to boot. Don't be surprised that your mayor are making deals with private real estate developers, in which these developers are deceiving the low-working class families like me and my family's. Don't be surprised that the city taxpayers will be footing the bill for this project and not the capitalistic property taxes by themselves, not during the era of the President Trump, in which federal funding will be cut for this project. Don't be surprised that the use of buses along the proposed streetcar route will be a great, existing, and cost-effective option, according to Larry Penner, a former FTA Region 2 Staff Member who has the expertise on public transportation in the NYC. In terms of your comment, everyone will use this proposed streetcar, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, economic class, social class, sex, or gender. This is known as PUBLIC transportation. I'm fine with the BQX HONEY Pooter: However, the main reason why I am realistically skeptical is because of the overall costs and the safety of this, especially when sea level rises are the norm every day for decades it come. Is it worth it HONEY Pooter for everyone, not just one particular group? This is not the setting of "Animal Farm" by George Orwell. Don't make it too personal HONEY Pooter through your discriminatory and sexist comments, in which I commented on the article and not other people in this blog. You will be flagged as an abuse for that.
Nov. 27, 2016, 3:20 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
As I have stated on previous articles about this is that much of where the proposed route is going doesn't have wide enough streets for this. I can understand those such as Bob Diamond who wishes that the trolley would never disappear, but they have to understand the reality of this and that it's not coming back. Trolleys represented a time when city's population was a lot smaller and not so much was developed at the time. Later modes of transportation were found to be a lot faster since then making this pretty much obsolete. Another reason why NYC doesn't have anymore trolleys and streetcars is because as the population grew larger, grade level tracks were starting to become a danger as many got hit by them having the city pass laws to no longer have this making all new tracks go either above or below grade level. Also, the trolley would have disappeared around WWII even if GM didn't buy out the tracks to promote their gasoline to use for buses because many saw the buses as a faster form of transportation and that they weren't limited to tracks or overhead wires. Overall, it just doesn't make any sense to bring something that was already taken away decades ago. If a streetcar like the BQX would have been a good idea, then many of the trolley routes wouldn't have been removed in the first place.
Nov. 27, 2016, 3:46 pm
Sid from Boreum hill says:
What if it was a monorail built over the street at Atlantic avenue..an el. Like the train to JFK down the van wyck? Needs to be wheelchair accessible. It could then be at street level some places and fly over the bqe leaving traffic undisturbed more or less.. you could also run it down Boreum place brooklyn bridge Blvd leaving court street as it is now.
Nov. 27, 2016, 3:48 pm
Ron from Popiel says:
I don't know what the fuss is. You can just buy my recently invented Popiel pocket transporter for $19.95. Works like a charm zaps you in and zaps you out. Doubles as the Popiel pocket fisherman and is so cost effective. Commander Scott aka Scottie approved.
Nov. 27, 2016, 4:04 pm
Valerie from Canarsie says:
The way Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. speaks to women of color, and HONEY Pooter specifically, just shows how racist men can be. Mr. Rivera, learn to treat people with respect! I can hear from your comments that you are Donald Trump living, woman hater. Maybe it's your culture from Mexico, I don't know. In any case, it's inappropriate.
Nov. 27, 2016, 7:09 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
Valerie, I am a progressive democrat, but I am not drawn by the liberal media like a sheep. I don't trust everyone from establishment politicians like Hillary to wealthy people like Donald Trump. I am a realist and a skeptic on all issues public transit and I am not taking sides Valerie. How dare you disrespect my Latino heritage, even though I born in the US, specifically Brooklyn like yourself Valerie? The reason why I commented to you personally as well as other people who can't take this issue from the article seriously is because you people can't handle the hard truth on whether if the BQX could happen to your backyard in the long run, in the most negative way possible? Stay professional and on topic to this article or you will be flagged as well. Note that I am not the only one who is realistically criticizing this so called BQX. BTW, I treat people with respect when I am posted my comments on this issue and you and other people, including impersonators and online trolls of this blog can't take it too seriously.
Nov. 27, 2016, 8:38 pm
Valerie from Canarsie says:
Pedro - no, I was not born in this country, I am a LATINA immigrant. Does your opinion matter more than mine because you were born here? Is this just because you hate latin immigrants? That's racism.
Progressive?!? You sound like the most regressive conservative I've ever heard!
You claim one thing, yet your words and actions indicate something completely different! To think that the worst hatred I've ever had came from another latino!
Nov. 27, 2016, 9:34 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
Your comment sums it up perfectly Valerie: I am moving on from your personal crusade because your personal comments is irrelevant to the general discussion of the BQX streetcar proposal, unlike everyone else in this comments section. Attack other people with your personal vendetta Valerie. Like I said, comment on this article, in which I am respectfully respond to you about the positives and the negatives of this BQX streetcar proposal, or you will be flagged again Valerie. Note that this is nothing have to do with racism or sexism, just I am a realistic skeptic, making inferences from research on the BQX project Valerie. This does mean I am a "regressive conservative:" I got a BA in History, in which will help me gathering research from the BQX website about the "benefits" of this project. Anyway, I will be cautiously optimistic if NYC don't have cost overruns, nor years of delays to boot, and if the route is further inland from future sea level rises.
Nov. 28, 2016, 12:15 am
Valerie from Canarsie says:
Pedro - I have a PhD in Cost Effective Public Transport Systems. Did you assume I'm not educated simply because I'm a Mexican woman? Your racist sexism makes me sick. Maybe you should go back to school and learn more about the topic at hand. You can also learn to respect people who know more about it than, even if they happen to be LATINAS!
Nov. 28, 2016, 3:14 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Pedro, Valerie is not a real person.
Nov. 28, 2016, 6:59 am
Howard from My Beach says:
And neither is Pedro...
Nov. 28, 2016, 8:38 am
Tim J from Bklyn says:
OMG, there is something very wrong with Ms. Me from Bay Ridge. Is this lady for real? What a disgusting person. I read her comments and cant even remember what I was going to say about this story. You're sick and need help!
Nov. 28, 2016, 9:43 am
Tim J from Bklyn says:
OMG, there is something very wrong with Ms. Me from Bay Ridge. Is this lady for real? What a disgusting person. I read her comments and cant even remember what I was going to say about this story. You're sick and need help!
Nov. 28, 2016, 9:43 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Speak for yourself you bicycle riding homosexual pervert layabout troll.
Nov. 28, 2016, 9:57 am
Tim J from Bklyn says:
^^^You have some nerve you disgusting animal.
I have reported you and I hope you are forever banned from this website. I have never heard such disgusting comments in my life. You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you get the help you desperately need.
Nov. 28, 2016, 10:08 am
Tim J from Bklyn says:
And your homophobic comments are abhorrent, you have no business living in NYC. I hope you get help soon.
Nov. 28, 2016, 10:10 am
Tyler from pps says:
All I have to say is that I am VERY happy that Tal and Pedro are not the "experts" in charge of public transportation in this city.
Nov. 28, 2016, 10:34 am
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
Let me get myself clear to everyone who criticize me in the so called Progressive City: 1) Valerie, I am not personally criticize you because of your race and gender. I'm personally criticize you because your comments are either irrelevant to this discussion or you're just an online troll looking for victims like myself. 2) Ms. Me, thanking for bringing that out in the world where technology dominates our own lives. 3) Howard, never feed the trolls through online instigation. It will come back to haunt you by being a sheep to the shepherd, which is the cooperate media. 4) Tyler, you're right that I'm not a public transportation expert in NYC because I don't have a job working for either the NYC DOT, the NYC EDC, or the MTA, nor everywhere else. I just a person, living with seven other people in a NYCHA building, having SSI and Medicaid. And doing factual research on everything mass transit in NYC is my hobby. Yes, I am a public transportation advocate for two transportation advacocy groups like the Riders Alliance and the Queens Public Transportation Committee. However, I am not a sheep by taking sides on an mass transit issue. I am a realist, by using critical evidence to see if any mass transit project such as the BQX could be beneficial to EVERYONE. Therefore, I don't have an experience in the public transportation field, unless I'm working for them, to say the least. This is not "Animal Farm." In conclusion, the reason why we are fighting that are not relevant to this BQX issue is because we are all sheep like myself and we are drawn to cooperate media like the Brooklyn Paper. So let's end our own personal vendettas and focus on discussing on the BQX issue.
Nov. 28, 2016, 1:15 pm
Peter from Brooklyn says:
Pedro,

If your measure of success for a public transit expansion proposal equals "must benefit everyone"

You will consistently be disappointed.
Nov. 28, 2016, 2:28 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
How about those who support the BQX give actual reasons to why it's a good idea just like how I give reasons to why it's a bad idea rather than making personal attacks at me and other opponents to this?
Nov. 28, 2016, 3:54 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
How about I SHUT MY BIG FAT RETARDED FUKKKING MOUTH FOR ONCE?
Nov. 28, 2016, 3:58 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Tal

STFU

And go away
Nov. 28, 2016, 4:02 pm
Tal Ballz in my mouth from Pleasantville, NY says:
I'm like a lingering fart.
Nov. 28, 2016, 4:05 pm
Pedro Valdez Rivera Jr. from BS, BK, NY, US says:
Peter, me and the transit organizations I am part of are fighting for equitable public transportation for all transportation groups, including yourself, especially on things that do exist such as pressuring the MTA to improve A, C and G train services, improve bus service across the city through select bus service and the B37 restoration. In addition, we pressured the city to pass the pre-tax transit benefits bill and on a verge on passing the reduce-fares for all low-income New Yorkers. On the BQX, there are many prominent transportation professors and experts that this could cause gentrification along the already gentrified Brooklyn-Queens Waterfront. This despite the real estate developers donated Mayor de Blasio's and the City Council members along the proposed route millions of dollars in campaign contributions to support it. I don't trust the corruption in the de Blasio's administration and City Hall, in terms of spearheaded these projects without constructive community feedback to the neighborhood's throats. The cost of living will go through the roof as of a result of this proposal, in which I learned it firsthand when I was in Williamsburg, one of several neighborhoods along the proposed route. Here is my stance Peter and everyone else who attack me: I will support the BQX if the route is further inland from the waterfront, in order to protect the project from future storm surges, floods and sea level rises, in which will be the norm for decades to come. In addition, the NYC EDC needs to be accountable and transparent on how to finish this project on time and on budget as promises. Finally, the city needs to make sure that this project will not be paid for by city taxpayers like myself, even if it's after bonding. At this time, I am not taking sides and I am focused on the wait and see approach.
Nov. 28, 2016, 4:49 pm
Frankie D from Atlantic Yards says:
Anthony Hogrebe is a puppet to EDC. The average life span for an employee at this agency is 2 years. Its the worst run agency who does what ever the heck they want with little communications to the public.
Nov. 29, 2016, 12:25 am

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