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First came the sell-off, next comes the big move.

After five years of selling off hundreds of millions of dollars in real-estate holdings in Brooklyn Heights and DUMBO, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have finally bought something big: 248 acres upstate.

The Promised Land (for Witnesses, at least) has a name: Ramapo, NY.

Last month, the sect, officially known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and best known to the outside world for its Bible publishing and door-to-door proselytizing, bought the Ramapo tract, the third and largest acquisition in upstate New York in as many years.

The $11.5-million site will someday house more than half of the organization’s 1,500-person administrative staff, which is currently headquartered in Brooklyn Heights and DUMBO, according to a spokesman.

All along, the Watchtower had maintained that its core headquarters would remain in Brooklyn, but the personnel shift seems to indicate otherwise.

“We would like to build a live-work complex for about 850 people” upstate, said Richard Devine. “Right now, the land is zoned for residential uses, so we have made a proposal to the town to re-zone it. [Construction] is several years in the future.”

Until now, the Watchtower Society’s residential and publishing facilities in Brooklyn have remained separate. Combining both facilities at one upstate site would create a large, centralized religious compound.

Whenever the move happens, it will not have been unexpected. For more than four years, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been undertaking a sell-off of Biblical proportions, including:

• 360 Furman St., a 14-story building which sold in 2004 for $205 million and is currently being redeveloped as the all-luxury, waterfront One Brooklyn Bridge Park.

• 67 Livingston St., a 26-story tower which went for $18.6 million in 2006.

• 89 Hicks St., which was sold to the Brooklyn Law School in 2006 for $14 million.

• 169 Columbia Heights, also known as the Standish Arms, a swanky 12-story building which was sold for $50 million in 2007.

• The crown jewel of the Witnesses’ real-estate holdings — the Bossert Hotel on Montague Street — remains on the block after a reported buyer backed away from the deal last year.

The Witnesses still hold a dozen or more properties in the area, including four large office buildings and two large parking lots — which have a lucrative residential zoning — in DUMBO.

The group is respected among real estate dealers for its business acumen, the excellent condition in which it maintains its properties, and a history of keeping its cards very close to its chest.

“It appears that they will eventually transfer most of their operations upstate,” said broker Chris Havens. “The real bellwether will be those two lots in DUMBO. If they don’t build anything there, it could indicate that they plan to move out eventually.”

For now, though, the remainder of the Watchtower Society’s Brooklyn properties appears to be staying off the market, what with the New York real-estate market experiencing its own Armageddon.

“We have no plans to sell any future properties [in Brooklyn],” said Devine.

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Danny Haszard from Bangor Maine says:
Watchtower gets out of dodge?

I am a 3rd generation Jehovah's Witness my father and grandparents were 'pioneers' (missionaries).I actually paid out of my own pocket travel expenses for the 'privilege' to volunteer as a carpenter on Watchtower tax-free construction projects.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society guilt-goaded a million followers to give them their assets including retirement savings promising them a 'return' of everlasting life in their own lifetime.

They are worse than Enron,think about that!

Danny Haszard
April 2, 2009, 4:32 am
Jill Frasier from Manhattan says:
Well,well the 1st commenter say's it.

The WatchTower Corporation is a media publishing, real estate development, and convention sponsoring company and their literature all promotes the corporation and those goals.

That's the beauty of religion and superstition,it has no limits.Religion is the most profitable legal business because religions can misquote, misrepresent, and use unethical practices without fear of punishment. It's the absolute best way to scam people I have yet seen.
April 2, 2009, 5:54 am
ME from USA says:
Watchtower takes all they can, gives little. Their real heads are Don Adams whose dad was an attorney for them, Ted Jaracz (nicknamed The Boss) and his cronies sitting atop their Governing Body. Smart? Look at the record. Despite 1 Samuel 14:31-35 showing God forgave Saul's men for eating unbled meat they forbid Jehovah's Witnesses from using emergency whole blood, long insisted the 144,000 going to heaven was a literal figure already fulfilled despite more and more grassroots JWs claiming it as a heritage etc. Their record bespeaks an Unfaithful and Unwise Slave against God's most Faithful and Wise (they say Discreet as in secretive) Slave who is Jesus Christ. Their focus is on what is material. Back in 1972 they sent Bodies Of Elders a directive to stop deleting peer Elders who confessed to pedophilia if several (later defined to 2-3) years had passed and they still seemed to have "Jehovah's blessing" (read their child molesting hadn't been found out widely beyond the other Elders). All part of a shameful record by a money-loving and dying dragon eaten alive by its ever greedy slew of bad-advice lawyers and money-advisors.
April 2, 2009, 8:45 am
stuart from FL says:
There are many who attack Jehovah's Witnesses. Some are ministers of churches who have seen members of their flocks leave to become Witnesses and some are ex-Witnesses who were disfellowshipped for grossly dishonest or immoral conduct. Stubbornly refusing to accept correction their only defense is to retaliate with apostate lies and slander.
Disgruntled former Jehovah's Witnesses never divulge to those whom their hate mongering is intended to influence just why it was that they were excommunicated. Telling the truth on just this point alone might prove helpful to those who read their comments but being helpful is no part of their motives. Instead of accepting correction they give in to the injured pride and jealousy that can result from being unmasked and not getting to have it their way. They allow their personal chagrin to fester until vexation leads them into open declarations of animosity, spewing forth all consuming tirades with such vehemence that they no longer have any capacity left for telling the truth.
As a result, readers who relish hate filled criticism eagerly believe apostate lies and become their latest victims, while those interested in knowing the truth look for factual evidence and are not taken in by falsely contrived stories. If you are one who prefers to know the facts contact the nearest Kingdom Hall or ask the next Witness who calls at your door and it will be supplied to you.
April 2, 2009, 11:59 am
Bethelite from Brooklyn says:
WOW

'Stuart' is a Watchtower shill spammer who hurls the personal attack "H" (hate) bomb,against anyone who speaks out about the fraud for God Watchtower.

BTW what is an 'apostate'?
April 2, 2009, 12:09 pm
Kenny from NY says:
Jehovah's Witnesses seriously badmouth any and all religions but their cult. They got an early start with donning sandwich sign that said *religion is a snare and a racket.*

And see how much religious freedom a JW affords another when the JW questions the WTBS doctrine. They'll be disfellowshippped for *apostacy* and shunned.

JWs only care about freedom for *their* religion, no one elses

They want the freedom to get tax exemptions without giving anything back to the community, the freedom to annoy people by pedaling their cult on doorsteps.

http://www.freeminds.org
April 2, 2009, 1:11 pm
ed from USA says:
Boo on the Brooklyn Paper for tolerating such hateful comments with absolutely no evidence or support. Even the "news" story reads like a heavily biased editorial.
April 2, 2009, 2:13 pm
Joseph from CA says:
You are correct Stuart, It is so sad when people go so low as to allow their selfishness adn jealousy get them to say such things. Anyone who READS the bible and actually takes the time to learn about it and the truth about it will see that those witnesses are right on track, they do exactly what God tells everyone to do in the Bible. It's amazing how some allow their own guilt for not doing so to allow them to bash those who are actually doing the right thing. teh only advice for everyone I can give is, don't listen to negative comments, READ THE BIBLE AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.
April 2, 2009, 3:57 pm
Susan from NJ says:
To all JW defenders what 'Bible truths' does the Watchtower promote?

You NEVER clarify this you just smear all those who dispute your false dogmas (1914,blood fractions,144,000, false prophecies,child abuse coverups...) as 'haters' and 'bigots'.

The scam Watchtower corporation took a lot of money from followers to build their real estate empire and lied to them about their future 'new system' paradise.
April 2, 2009, 4:12 pm
Wise Alice from Calif says:
Cashing in all that valuable Brooklyn property?

The Watchtower New York complexes are the Vatican to Jehovah's Witnesses.
They are doing a LOT of long term wheeling and dealing investing for an organization that is thumping the end-of-the-world-coming-any minute.

What gives?
April 2, 2009, 6:43 pm
Mark says:
OH MY! They actually bought property and then sold it! PROPERTY! REAL-ESTATE! Well the cats out of the bag now! Everyone must see them for what they really are. People that bought real-esate and then sold it! And their members actually gave them that money! It just keeps getting deeper and deeper! If they invested it in Enron or Worldcom that would be something. Or even if they hid it somewhere or gave it all to "the Syth", (the alien being that runs the church for those that don't know) I could respect that. But they brazenly threw it away on real-estate, and real-estate they probably even put to good use for that matter. And they had the nerve to do all this out in the open?
All JW's should leave immediatly and find another group that does not own property! Preferably a group that just spends all the money or embezzles it for personal gain. Obviously you have chosen your faith foolishly!
April 2, 2009, 7:04 pm
Randall Watters from former WT in Brooklyn says:
I lived in the Watchtower complex from 1974 to 1980 when they were near their peak of workers. But the Watchtower is an ailing religion now, drawing hardly any new ones except in 3rd world countries with no internet. Once people get on the Net, they see how ludicrous this 19th century apocalyptic religion really is.
April 2, 2009, 7:32 pm
reader from NY says:
It has got NOTHING to do with the property. They could buy the Taj Mahal and the Great Pyramid. It would not matter, other than to point to a complete waste of money.

This is the point...They tell their children not to go to university because (for one reason) there is no sense in investing in this dying system of things. They tell their children to pioneer, and not to pursue a career, because this system's time is short.

On the other hand, they themselves prepare for the future by planning huge building projects, making extra capacity and such, investing hugely in a process that is suited to the dying system of things.

They say one thing, then they do the opposite for themselves.
April 3, 2009, 2:49 am
Anonymous from VA says:
It had been stated that The Watchtower Society wanted to move its headquarters out of the US. Why the sudden change of mind?
April 3, 2009, 5:38 am
Concerned mom from Buffalo says:
Child abuse cover ups


Jehovah's Witnesses are programmed to deny any wrongdoings of their religion. They will say they never predicted the end of the world (1975) even though those false predictions are well documented in the magazines and books that they published.

Many kids are being sexually molested in the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is clearly evident that they have a serious problem of child molestation. Don't take my word for it. Check all the lawsuits that are being settled in many courts because of the clear evidence of sexual child abuse in that religion.

Take a look of all court records, take a look at newspapers and television news shows reporting many cases of sexual molestation by grown men in the JW religion. Don't just try to defend your religion at any cost.
You owe your loving kids at least that consideration.


LOOK here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw136.html

http://www.silentlambs.org
April 3, 2009, 8:34 am
tracy says:
three words read the bible
April 3, 2009, 12:42 pm
Was an Elder from Ohio says:
[tracy says: three words read the bible]

Roger that tracy ,and see for yourself what an apostate cult the Watchtower is, a spin-off of the Millerite Adventist 'great disappointment' evangelical movement of 1842.
John 10:16 after reading the entire 10th chapter without watchtower influence and you will see that the 'other sheep' are the converted gentiles and not an earthly class.
That's just one WBTS false doctrine among many others.
Michael the archangel is not Jesus either!
April 3, 2009, 3:35 pm
John from Portland says:
The issue I have with all of this is that we were taught to not put any effort into our future here in this "wordly" earth. Instead of education, good jobs, marriage, kids, etc, we were instructed to pioneer, knock on doors, dedicate our entire being to god. My parents did just that. Now, they are old, have nothing to their names, including insurance and a nest egg. And all the while, the organization they trusted continues to plan for the future, investing wisely, making money hand over fist. From the contributions my parents made. From the sweat of their labors. Worship god they did. But the Watchtower Society, like all other religious organizations, grows rich, living at ease with their duplicity.
April 4, 2009, 12:26 am
boz from Ohio says:
I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. Was not raised one and I know it is the truth. People fall short as Jesus said. but we get back up if we want to do the right thing. If you do not want to be a true christian then why not just go your own way instead of fulfilling the scriptures like it says you would?
April 4, 2009, 3:12 am
Avinash Machado from Los Angeles says:
This organization seems to be changing a lot these days.
April 4, 2009, 8:29 am
Ezra says:
how does that make jehovahs wittinesses a cult or sect? jehovah is the true god, read the entire bible of the holy scriptures before you assume. i know jehovahs wittinesses are imperfect just like everyone else, however they have higher standards than any other religious group. Jehovah has seen every thing, jehovah wittinesses do not cover up anything. jehovahs wittinesses work very hard, the money they donate is to help the congregations world wide, we don't pass the collection plate around. if you don't want to serve jehovah you don't have to, but don't throw out accusations without evidence. people have been serving jehovah before jesus christ came down to earth. jehovah created the world with perfect human beings. blame adam and eve, or blame yourselfs, because you sin more than the average witness of jehovah. jesus christ sacrificed his life for all of mankind, and look how people treat jehovah witnesses. its really sad, because these the are the last days with critical times that are hard to deal with.
April 4, 2009, 1:35 pm
jerry from jw free says:
when you understand the wbts is nothing but
bull—— then it all makes sense
April 4, 2009, 2:31 pm
jerry from jw free says:
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April 4, 2009, 2:32 pm
fred from ny says:


JESUS CHRIST IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE.

IT IS VERY ARROGANT FOR THE WATCHTOWER GOVERNING BODY TO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE.
April 4, 2009, 3:22 pm
Jerry Jones from Brooklyn says:
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April 4, 2009, 4:10 pm
Spanner from United Kiingdom says:
For a sect that has been saying for well over a century, and especially in the last 30 or so years, that the world has a very limited, short - term future, this plan of the Watchtower Society seems somewhat long term to me. Maybe they've cancelled Armageddon again?
April 6, 2009, 12:50 pm
Brenda Lee from CO says:
Stuart from Florida wrote: "Disgruntled former Jehovah's Witnesses never divulge to those whom their hate mongering is intended to influence just why it was that they were excommunicated."

# # # #

I have talked to thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who are being shunned and have NEVER been excommunicated for any "wrongdoing." I am a living, breathing example. I simply chose not to be a JW anymore at 18 and lost my Jehovah Witness family who have shunned me at for the last 27 years, following WT's demand for "purity" and absolute obedience from their members. Many people are excommunicated for questioning the WT's policies of protecting pedophiles in court or for pointing out their failed prophesies.
April 7, 2009, 2:36 am
Brenda Lee from CO says:
Post 2

Think about this: If I were a JW male and walked into a kingdom hall with long hair and started a movement to have the other men wear long hair, all who didn't follow WT policies would be excommunicated for "causing divisions," even though that is clearly not a sin because Jesus had long hair. So the Elders in excommunicating me wouldn't be following the Bible. There is no "sin" called Long Hair. They would simply be following rules made by some modern-day WT leaders in Brooklyn, New York.

Watchtower wants you to believe that there is absolute "good" within the group and absoute "evil" outside the group that exists. This is purely propaganda. It is also one of the tactics used by cults and one of the eight points of mind control as defined by Robert J. Lifton. Do some research on thought reform and learn how powerful group think is, especially when it is used by an authoritarian group who rules through fear.



Learn the truth and don't be afraid. The truth shall set you free.
Brenda Lee, author of "Out of the Cocoon: A Young Woman's Courageous Flight from the Grip of a Religious Cult"

www.OutOfTheCocoon.net
April 7, 2009, 2:37 am
Brenda Lee from CO says:
Post 2

Watchtower wants you to believe that there is absolute "good" within the group and absoute "evil" outside the group that exists. This is purely propaganda. It is also one of the tactics used by cults and one of the eight points of mind control as defined by Robert J. Lifton. Do some research on thought reform and learn how powerful group think is, especially when it is used by an authoritarian group who rules through fear.



Learn the truth and don't be afraid. The truth shall set you free.
Brenda Lee, author of "Out of the Cocoon: A Young Woman's Courageous Flight from the Grip of a Religious Cult"

www.OutOfTheCocoon.net
April 7, 2009, 2:37 am
Wendell Abbey from Las Vegas, Nevada says:
Hello, I live in Las Vegas and am a Witness of Jehovah. It is very encouraging and noteworthy that our Society of Witnesses in New York is moving forward. Thats what the rest of the world shoud do too, in a positive and loving way, just as our brothers and sisters do under the guidance of the great inspiring and loving God, JEHOVAH. All that the witnesses have accomplished has been done under the guidance of Jehovah and all the credit goes to him and not to man. Thank you Brother Wendell Abbey
April 8, 2009, 11:59 pm
JIM from KALEO says:
'Down with the old and up with the new!' We JW's know the full expression of this saying!

Mahalo,

JHK
April 9, 2009, 9:58 pm
JWelder from Patterson NY says:
STUART from Fla 4th post from top is HYBRID APOSTATE STEVE KLEMETTI

He HATES the Watchtower HQ and is a lot like the ewatchman fellow.

warning! he has not been dfed yet
April 10, 2009, 2:33 am
Truth from Patterson NY says:
Steve Klemetti you are a wacko APOSTATE like ewatchman
Print central apostate printing
1326 10th Ave,
Columbus, GA 31901
April 12, 2009, 6:29 am
TRUE_JW from IOWA says:
So much anger -how sad.
I am sorry for you that feel the Jehovah's Witnesses ruined your lives. If you wouldn't have had them to blame, who would have been next in line??
For those of you who feel you have been wronged by the JW's...there are always two sides to EVERY story. So -what is the other side to YOUR STORY? One person cannot be completely right and the other completely wrong.
There is hate oozing out of your pores. It is sad that your hearts are so angry, so hard. You blame us of judging -but your words prove otherwise. You seem to act as judges.
Why do you all need to constantly justify yourselves???
April 14, 2009, 1:05 am
TRUE_JW from IOWA says:
So much anger -how sad. And how sad so many want to pin the blame of ALL their problems on the Witnesses. Whatever happened to a little word called ACCOUNTABILITY?
(HOW STRANGELY HUMOROUS THAT A SIMPLE ARTICLE ABOUT THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY SELLING PROPERTY/BUYING NEW PROPERTY CAN CAUSE SUCH A RUCKUS!)
I am sorry for you that feel the Jehovah's Witnesses ruined your lives. If you wouldn't have had them to blame, who would have been next in line??
For those of you who feel you have been wronged by the JW's...there are always two sides to EVERY story. So -what is the other side to YOUR STORY? One person cannot be completely right and the other completely wrong.
There is hate oozing out of your pores. It is sad that your hearts are so angry, so hard. You blame us of judging -but your words prove otherwise. You seem to act as judges.
Why do you all need to constantly justify yourselves???
April 14, 2009, 1:09 am
JW from USA says:
Nearly all the EMBARASSING (to the watchtower) SOCKPUPPET spam post with multiple identities [stuart]etc is Steve Klemetti he does more damage then the EXJW 'apostates'.
April 14, 2009, 1:56 am
midwestern says:
Bravo to True_JW from Iowa! All of the TRUE JW's are the happiest people on the Earth! An awesome brotherhood- we look to the future and plan for tomorrow with OPEN eyes! BooHoo to all the crybabies that have a heart full of Hate and selfishness.
April 15, 2009, 6:19 pm
Jewel from Nebraska says:
this is an amazing story. Good reporting, and good photo's.
April 16, 2009, 12:24 pm
Linda Tappin from Seattle Wa says:
This is an interesting story and I know from personal experience of all of my Jehovah Wutness friends that everything they do they do for Bible education and humanitarian reasons and spend nothing on themselves...This is a great story after hearing all of those articles that we all have seen about corrupt clergy and their organizations isn't it???
Thanks again....!
April 16, 2009, 4:21 pm
Linda Tappin from Seattle Wa says:
This is an interesting story and I know from personal experience of all of my Jehovah Wutness friends that everything they do they do for Bible education and humanitarian reasons and spend nothing on themselves...This is a great story after hearing all of those articles that we all have seen about corrupt clergy and their organizations isn't it???
Thanks again....!

Linda T from Wa State...


Also to Brenda Lee in Co. you speak of Jesus as having long hair when no one who knew him spoke of him having long hair but to the contrary if you read your Bible it says in 1 Corinthians 11:14 and elsewhere that it was a dishonor for men to have long hair and Jesus himself would have abided by what God said....
April 16, 2009, 4:39 pm
JWMOM from New York says:
The Watchtower Bible & tract society of New York which is the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses Is a cult run by manipulative psychopaths.

A lot of religions are BUT the JW are the worst of the bunch,because they are bigger,more widespread and they come to YOUR house and talk to YOUR family.

No charities,ripoff of followers worse than Enron and lots of sicko scandals like pedophilia that they deny.
April 17, 2009, 1:35 am
MB from Fort Greene says:
There is clearly a lot of vitriol spinning around the Witnesses, which is of course exactly what they expect--it's been prophesied. Convenient that a systematized culture of insularity, sexual dscrimination, legal manipulation, child abuse and isolation, and brainwashing tends to bring that up in people. Presto!--self-fulfilling prophecy, made to order. By the way, notice that I said NOTHING about proselytizing. That Jesus DID do.

Full disclosure: Yes, I grew up in the faith. And to the person who asked earlier what "apostate" means: precisely what I just did--speaking against the "organization."
April 19, 2009, 2:45 pm
BREATHING AIR from LOVE PEOPLE says:
it really is sad when we try to justify what is right while doing the wrong,that we condemn. if what is said is so wrong . let not we but the facts speak of really is true. let not what you say but also what you do show what you really are as a creation of the true God.
for thought, think how wonderful to have a brain and a heart and yet be soooooooooooooooooooooo UNGRATEFUL to not use it to it's full potential than to speak ill of what YOU DO NOT KNOW ....... but show what you really are by what you say and do...in doing the exact things which you condemn'''THINK ABOUT IT....WHAT'S YOUR REAL PURPOSE ..YOU RECEIVE FREE ...........THINK COULD ANY OF US SURVIVE WITHOUT AIR ... IF YOU THINK SO THEN JUST HOLD YOU BREATHE ..THEN THINK ABOUT YOURSELF AS YOU GRASP FOR AIR........
April 21, 2009, 3:36 am
BREATHING AIR from LOVE PEOPLE says:
it really is sad when we try to justify what is right while doing the wrong,that we condemn. if what is said is so wrong . let not we but the facts speak of really THE TRUTH . let not what you say ,but also what you do show what you really are as a creation of the true God.
for thought, think how wonderful to have a brain and a heart and yet be soooooooooooooooooooooo UNGRATEFUL to not use it to it's full potential than to speak ill of what YOU DO NOT KNOW ....... but show what you really are by what you say and do...in doing the exact things which you condemn'''THINK ABOUT IT....WHAT'S YOUR REAL PURPOSE ..YOU RECEIVE FREE ...........THINK COULD ANY OF US SURVIVE WITHOUT AIR ... IF YOU THINK SO THEN JUST HOLD YOUR BREATHE ..THEN THINK ABOUT YOURSELF AS YOU GRASP FOR AIR........THINK......
April 21, 2009, 3:38 am
alan from california says:
Im not a witness but interested in their religion. I notice that Danny Haszard & Randall Watters appear when anything is posted on the nett about the Witnesses. These people get stuck into the witnesses and if some one replies they then say "look at them - spreading hate"> I say to Danny and Randall get a life, yours must be pretty sad indeed, rather pathetic
June 5, 2009, 11 am
George says:
jesus said" 32"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

jehovahs witnesses governingbody quotes this scripture to prove themselves are little flock and conveniently ignore the second part of the scripture "sell your possesion and give it to the poor" instead they do the opposite they are stealing money from the poor and making themselves rich.
1 peter 2:2 aptly tells about them "1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."
Aug. 13, 2009, 3:34 am
Cathy from NJ says:
Why does anyone have a problem with them buying property and selling it? That doesnt make them business men out to scam people. How else are they going to have congreations and print bibles and literatures if they dont have property to do so. Anyone who takes the time to see for themselves will find out that they are not out to take anyones money. At the meetings there are no collection plates passed out. Theres a box in the back that you can give what you can if you so desire, but you will never be pressured to do so. You could be a JW your whole life with out giving one red cent if you wanted and no one would know but you and God. Watchtower is the only organization I know of that voluntarily translates and prints Bibles in hundreds of languages and gives them for FREE to anyone who wants one. Just like Jesus said, you received free, give free. JW's live by his words.
Aug. 29, 2009, 1:57 pm
James from Canada says:
Great article on the property but the last time I checked most people who buy property and years later sell it usually reap a profit.What is so weird about that?Oddly enough some people aren't happy about that. As for those caught inside JW's organization who are pedophiles, they are kicked out with just cause.They don't get to hang around and do it again with the blessing of those in the organization.Some are good liars and hang in for a while but are eventually found out and dealt with.They aren't sent to some other part of the world to continue the practice all the while receiving a salary and the blessing from their organization.I have seen that happen in other churches and I personally know of kids who committed suicide because they were molested by priests who claimed they were doing no wrong because they hadn't violated their vow of celibacy. They say they didn't have relations with a woman so they didn't break official church policy. As for the dissenters, get on with your life like Brenda Lee who has no other motive than to fill her pockets and bank account.All you losers buy her book to read about nothing! If you don't worry about what you have learned simply don't post.Read something mentally inspiring like Peanuts or follow good advisors like Bernie Madoff. Lots of smart people followed him? To what benefit? Simply get a life you losers!
Nov. 16, 2009, 12:11 am
Pat Black from Vancouver bc says:

READING about the mass amounts of money involved in all this acquisition of blocks of properties... in NEW YORK CITY no less,
is so contrary to how the organization expects it's loyal "servants" to live their lives, .... it is shocking!! These buildings are, for the most part (maybe all) renovated with FREE labour and then sold for great fortunes. Seems like they now have more than they know what to do with......greedy?

All the while, as other posters have said, their own people are wanting. While the society seems to be preparing for a future in this system of things, they compel their people to not marry, not be having babies, not purchase homes, or insurance, or education, or jobs, other than window washing and house cleaning! It's all going down, they say. ... Shortly.

Here are words from a JW on this post....
......"I know from personal experience of all of my Jehovah Witness friends that everything they do they do for Bible education and humanitarian reasons and spend nothing on themselves"....... And spend NOTHING on themselves! Indeed!

Also, what is up with this 'Charitable Planning' grab, seems like every year the WBT is looking for every cent they can "guilt out" of it's members.

THINK.
If the WBT feel that Armageddon is just around the corner,... a time when gold & money will be THROWN IN THE STREETS, ... tell me why in Gods name would they want our Real Estate ....after we DIE!!
We're asked to WILL our stocks, bonds, insurance and pension plans, jewellery, any valuables. and cheques to the WBT Society. ... see watchtower november 15 2009.

When you consider the BILLIONS of dollars in assets, investments and money the WBT has accrued from over 6 million sincere people, working for 'free', I am disheartened
Dec. 4, 2009, 3:10 am
Marion from Brooklyn says:
My neighbor is a Jehovah's Witness and he is a drunk and wife beater.His son tried to molest my daughter. They have much abuse a cult
Dec. 31, 2009, 11:55 pm
CAD from NY says:
1Cor.11:14 quotes:

14 Does not nature itself teach YOU that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him;
Based on this scripture.....Jesus did NOT have long hair.
U are basing that belief on the many pictures seen today with Jesus having long hair. NOT IN THE BIBLE!!!
May 16, 2010, 9:21 pm
CAD from NY says:
Also too, I know many witnesses. Not a one of the men in the congregations who are "elders" get paid for the hrs and hrs of time spent giving talks, marrying people, giving funeral talks, and taking care of the grounds of each and every Kingdom Hall, inside and out. Nor do they get paid for the time spent on their parishioners who have problems and need advice, or counseling. They all have their own full time jobs and AFTER coming home from work they take care of all these things too. FOR FREE!!!
It's always made me wonder if it's true that they have God's backing....as I can think of NO other religion that would last a month if their clergy didn't get paid for what they do and say. And if someone didn't get paid for taking care of the church, cleaning it and fixing broken problems.
May 16, 2010, 9:28 pm
MARTIN from CALIF says:
BEEN a Witness for 35 yr.Am now shunned for not turning in time.Use to ride around in van,6 brothers for 3 hrs, just think we worshiped God for 18 hrs of SERVICE,what crap,you only worship by time slips.How did all worship GOD before Watchtower came along. 120 years of FALSE PROPHECY, then they back pedal about not being prophets.The whole GOVERNING went along with trying to stop CALIF COURTS from convicting child molester ELDERS. AMY B/ CASE SUMMATION,court records showa their REAL MOTIVES, SAVE ALL THE MONEY.WHAT A SCAM. JESUS said, no one knows day or hour,not watchtower.
July 20, 2010, 1:46 pm
Regan from NJ says:
When I was studying with JW's they read to me in the Bible where Eve was lied to by the Serpent, Satan. He told her if she partook of the fruit God told her not to touch that "she positively would not Die" Well isn't that what the Jehovah's witnesses also tell people? They tell them they will not die but live forever on earth Forever. To me this Satanic Cult is lying to unsuspecting vulnerables by telling them if they partake of the fruitage of their teachings, God says they will never die at all. They derserve to be greatly punished with their father Satan.
Aug. 16, 2010, 1:33 am
Jay from CT says:
Nobody is shunned for not turning in time. Typical lie told by those who with a chip on their shoulder.
Marion above is a moron who also lies.
Those who have been kicked out of tath religion have done something big. We would never get the truth out of them but just stories to make themselves look good.
Interesting that most posts here are the complainers who are no longer JWs.
Nov. 15, 2010, 9:40 am
mainer from kiambu says:
I have been a victim of abuse not by any witness or the
Watcthtower society but by people whose hatred and bias
blinds them to the fact that we live in a seriously messed up world.I'm not a witness but having come to know what they beleive i think the world would be afar better place if
everyone emulated their spirit of self sacrifice and devotion in doing exactly what God tells in the bible.
April 1, 2011, 9:55 am
Tony from HI says:
It's laughable at some of the posted comments!!!... especially Danny Haszard, he's full of it. I have family who are JW's, Catholics, Mormons, Pentacostals, and Born Again Christians of different sects. And, out of all of them, only the JW's contributions are voluntary!!......the rest have to pitch in at least 10% or more of their personal income. But at least those listed above aren't like the Television Evangelist, who for $100, $200 as much as your life savings, and whatever they can get their greedy hands on for the "BS" power-prayers.
Kenneth Copeland and others have raked in "millions" to furbish their expensive taste of luxury. Hi-tech jet planes, expensive real estates with 30-room mansion, and through the cost of an phone-in prayers! Now, that's a rip-off, and by using the religion as a "tax-free" trump-card in it's mist. Un "F-IN" real!!! no accountability what-so-ever!!!
Aug. 1, 2011, 3:04 am
ken from alberta canada says:
here it is,do your homework.this religion is designed to intrap,sheep.forgive them lord for they no not what they do.the lure of everlasting life,and paradise captures and seizes the verry soul of an individual.the miss use of GODS name is a sin.the tools in there arsinal from there bible,and the directive from the Governing body as directed by JEHOVAH is overwhelming.Playing on the christians conscience.trapping there whole person on the moral grounds of there doctrine!Charles russel, Rutherford,lived verry lavish lives,WHO then are the recipients of this 2012 masive wealth?CULT!! this term is truly applicable,Brain washing,Fear mongering!Dictatorship! is this borderline criminal??? FRAUD,mis representation,how far will they be allowed to go.I truly feel for these poor sheep lead by ?? the faithfill desreet slave class!!!!????? if there are such people " the remant class " I CHALENGE THEM TO SHOW THEM SELVES !!! if there concern is that of the world , then show your selves!! FRAUD! FRAUD ! FRAUD!
Dec. 23, 2012, 4:11 pm
Carl from NY says:
Hey, JW`s..... I am d`fd for adultry. There you happy now? No blame or anger nor hate. My fault. Now, having said that, after 45 years in the organization, I recall that your viewing and worse, your posting on here, and some of you are down right nasty not loving, is directly against what you are instructed.

So, exactly why....are you here? Shouldn't you be studing for your meetings? Perhaps you have questions but not the courage for the answers.
March 24, 2013, 8:29 pm
Flo from Los Angeles says:
The Jehovah's Witness Watchtower Society (WT) receives donations from its faithful adherents who are told the money is to be used for the "worldwide work." In addition to using it to buy real estate, a portion of it is quietly gambled in hedge funds promising high returns. This fact is not disclosed to the rank and file publishers, and I doubt they would be pleased if they knew about it. There is zero transparency regarding the WT's use of donations and the profits reaped from its investments. For sure, the WT never shares its investment profits with needy individual witnesses. If a witness falls upon hard times, it is up to other individual witnesses to privately take up the slack and help out needy ones out of their own pockets (while also having to donate to the WT). The WT doesn't involve itself with such matters. Only the elite insiders know what they really do with all that money.

Prov. 13:22 says that a good man leaves an inheritance for his children's children. However, the WT rarely if ever mentions this scripture. I've come to believe that the reason why is because they want (and certainly do encourage) their rank and file to leave their worldly valuables to the Watchtower. Let's call a spade a spade: This is a shameless money grab. The ultra faithful (Bethelites, missionaries, circuit and district overseers, etc.) would be too broke to be homeowners, but many "regular" witnesses have, fortunately, not complied with the WT's constant urgings to become full-time evangelizers and have instead worked secular jobs or started businesses in order to enjoy a better lifestyle and to also store up enough cash to buy property. And good for them. At least they can then obey Prov. 13:22, that is unless they are like two of my relatives who are JWs, who have written it into their wills to leave their property to the Watchtower when they die. Although they would never admit it, it is because they believe they can score brownie points with Jehovah and make their spot in the "New System" (paradise) more sure. Why do all religions claim God constantly needs money? It's truly amazing how intelligent people can choose to be so blind and refuse to see through the scam.

The ones who are defending the WT here sound very brainwashed. They, like most JWs, dutifully spout off the Watchtower party line in the belief that they are being loyal to Jehovah. Most JWs are sincere and truly believe in the religion. They generally are nice people who have been taught to fear anything that would cast their beloved organization in a negative light as coming from Satan, regardless of the veracity of the information. They are also taught that to exercise critical thinking in matters of faith is dangerous. For them, critical thinking is only allowed when proving how the doctrines of other religions are false. When presented with logical reasoning that challenges their own dogma, JWs can only regurgitate what the WT has trained them to repeat. Their go-to response when shown how their beliefs don't make sense and they can't really defend them is to say, "God's thoughts are higher than ours." Pretty convenient. But it's the ones at the top (the wizards behind the curtain) who know this religion is a phoney cult that I have a problem with. The duped rank and file are victims of a cruel scam, and I have compassion for them. They have wasted so many years sacrificing in vain. These years have been stolen from them and they can never get them back. But alas, for many it's a kindness to leave them alone to keep hoping that their matrix dream will come true some day.
Nov. 12, 2014, 2:56 am
Anonymous from Canada says:
Renting or buying property.
I suppose renting such a vast property holding to operate such a vast project would make sense? I suppose it would be cost efficient? I suppose someone would take the risk to build such a facility to rent out?
Purchasing is the most cost efficient way to meet the needs of this vast organization with its goal to reach everyone with a very important message.
It is by far the wisest way to use donated funds.
If anyone really wants to know what Jehovah's witnesses believe, I suggest you go to the source and make your own choice.
Visit jw.org
For all those who are carrying on hatred...
May you one day find peace.
Regards to all
Jan. 17, 10:56 pm

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