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City resists chopper command from Brooklyn Heights

The Brooklyn Paper

Brooklyn Heights residents who are about to be even more annoyed by helicopter noise starting this April were hit with a bit of “good news/bad news” at a hastily called meeting with city, state and federal officials last Friday.

The good news: Helicopters can take alternate routes to cut down on noise pollution across the tony neighborhood.

The bad news: No agency requires the chopper pilots to use such routes.

Such a revelation reveals part of the difficulty facing residents who are seeking to cut back on news and tourist helicopter flights as one of Manhattan’s two helicopter pads closes next year.

The state’s April closure of the West 30th Street heliport for tourist departures could result in thousands more sight-seeing trips leaving from the remaining helipad near the South Street Seaport, just across the East River from Brooklyn Heights.

A decade of complaints about the existing noise led to the Oct. 30 meeting with the Economic Development Corporation, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Brooklyn Heights Association, state Sen. Daniel Squadron (D–Brooklyn Heights), Councilman David Yassky (D–Brooklyn Heights) and Assemblywoman Joan Millman (D–Carroll Gardens). But all that the chopper opponents learned at the confab was that there is very little accountability where helicopters are involved.

“We came out of the meeting with a lot less than we expected,” said Judy Stanton, executive director of the Brooklyn Heights Association.

But Squadron was happy to have been at the table, seeing it as a first step towards trimming non-essential tourist flights.

“We’re working on ending the lack of government oversight of the helicopter business,” he said. “The best way to do this will be to have helicopter companies, the EDC and the FAA at the table.”

It’s not the first time that lawmakers have grappled with the need to balance tourist and news-media needs with community outrage over noise.

In the late 1990s, then-Mayor Giuliani put into motion a gradual ban of tourist helicopters, but Mayor Bloomberg reversed the reductions, citing a need to capture the tourist money that each $800 helicopter ride generates in revenues for the city.

But while the EDC manages the city’s heliports, there are few requirements about where those choppers can go once they leave the pad. The FAA, for example, only controls airspace above 1,500 feet.

“There are alternate routes for helicopters to take that will be less noisy for residents, but the pilots are not required to take them,” said FAA spokesman Jim Peters.

Helicopter noise is not just an in-flight problem. Each flying machine must warm up on the ground — at full throttle — before it can safely take off. The blades makes a strong reverberation that is felt across the river.

“The river is narrow and water amplifies the propeller’s sound,” Stanton said. “If they are not going to cut the numbers of flights, then the residents will still be bothered by helicopters.”

Updated 05:04 pm, November, 4 2009: Story was updated to make it clear that the West 30th Street helicopter pad will only close to tourist traffic, not all traffic.

Reader Feedback

Charles from Dumbo says:
"Helicopter noise is not just an in-flight problem. Each flying machine must warm up for a half hour on the ground — at full throttle — before it can safely take off. The blades makes a strong reverberation that is felt across the river."

This is inaccurate. The Eurocopter AS-350 and EC-130 (the two most commonly used sightseeing helicopters in NYC) both require less than three minutes of warm-up time. Please check your facts next time rather than mindlessly perpetuating biased and inflammatory information.
Nov. 3, 2009, 8:01 am
Steve from Dumbo says:
Charles you beat me to it. "Warm up for 30 minutes at full throttle"? Someone obviously didn't do their homework. I hope Mr. Yakowicz prints a correction. If you need a reference, call American Eurocopter, Bell Helicopter, Sikorsky Helicopter, MD Helicopters, Agusta Helicopters...just pick one.
Nov. 3, 2009, 8:23 am
sid from Boerum Hill says:
helicopters are inherently noisy-caused by the blades turning faster than the speed of sound. the wop - wop -wop you hear is the sound of the blades breaking the sound barrier. NASA has studied the sound issue and there is no easy solution like there was with the noise from jet engines which have become much quieter over the years.

Also a large part of the air space over NYC is totally controlled from the Ground up. there is a corridor however that is uncontrolled under 1500 feet-which includes Brooklyn Heights. There is a map showing this somewhere on the FAA website. This is not a well written or researched story.
Nov. 3, 2009, 8:48 am
Johan from Awaysaway says:
Helicopter blades do NOT break the sound barrier. Know your facts before you make inaccurate statements. A helicopters max speed is directly correlated to the speed of the advancing blade through the air and the forward airspeed of the aircraft. It will always stay below the sound barrier on typical aircraft in use around New York. It would be nice if people would check their fact prior to posting nonsensical propaganda.
Nov. 3, 2009, 9:22 am
Bob from BK says:
Water does not "amplify" the sound. That is absurd. It may reflect it very well, but that's all.
Nov. 3, 2009, 12:05 pm
Bob from BK says:
This kind of reporting is what you get when you rely on local blogs and free papers rather than paying for real content and reporting. Unfortunately, we can expect more of the same as the incessant demand for "free" content on the Internet beats the media to death.
Nov. 3, 2009, 12:07 pm
tee gee from sunset park says:
unfortunately, helicopters in New York City have their rules & regulations set by the helicopters owner's own association. in sunset park we have a problem in that as choppers cut across the boro towards manhattan they ignore the ridge that runs along our community's 6th Avenue. through laziness, pilots don't correct their altitude and thus buzz homes a hundred to two hundred feet closer than they do during the rest of their flight across the otherwise sea level borough.
Nov. 3, 2009, 1:33 pm
OldPrintGuy from Brooklyn Heights says:
Yeah, right, Bob. That's why the NY Times runs about 15 corrections every single day on Page A2.

All reporters make a mistake here and there. You should be thankful that The Brooklyn Paper is as good as it is most of the time.
Nov. 3, 2009, 1:42 pm
dave from Carroll Gardens says:
More piss pore articles from Brooklyn paper...Shocking
Nov. 3, 2009, 1:56 pm
sid from Boerum hill says:
Yes the tips of the blades do according to a NASA cited at a helicopter meeting. If you say they don't where are you facts?
Nov. 3, 2009, 2:16 pm
sid from Boerum hill says:
Yes the tips of the blades do according to a NASA cited at a helicopter meeting. If you say they don't where are you facts?

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envir_policy/media/04Nov-30-RTC.pdf
Nov. 3, 2009, 2:22 pm
Peter from hood says:
Will, great article.
Nov. 3, 2009, 3:06 pm
Sam from Carroll Gardens says:
Good article, good writing, and yes The Brooklyn Paper is a good paper. Some people just like to make up nasty comments.
Nov. 4, 2009, 12:20 am
John J. Tormey III, Esq. from Pearl River says:
Please join our fight against FAA management, already in progress.

John J. Tormey III, Esq.
Quiet Rockland
Pearl River, NY
RandyBabbitt[dot]com
Nov. 6, 2009, 7:34 pm
Eva from Brooklyn Heights says:
Typical men, just argue and bolster and compete with your engineering points without addressing or solving the actual point: it is noisy and it needs to be stopped. Hooray for those of you with cotton up your ears; doesn't make you right or the situation right.
Nov. 9, 2009, 10:30 pm

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