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Plane truth? The feds will not do anything about Slope airplane noise

The Brooklyn Paper

Federal aviation officials faced a barrage of complaints last Thursday night from Park Slope residents, who fervently described an incessant barrage of aircraft noise that they say will only get worse.

The heated meeting featured a stunning dichotomy: As much as Federal Aviation Administration and Port Authority officials relied on technical jargon, aircraft noise opponents relied on their passion for the subject — even going so far as to read a letter from a sympathizer who said that her cancer was exacerbated by low-flying airplanes.

But the officials from the FAA, as well as the Port Authority — which operates La Guardia airport — were unmoved. While not disputing any of the opponents’ basic data on low-flying airplanes, they said their hands were tied when tweaking the flight patterns of the most cluttered airspace in the country.

“All these flight patterns are tightly maintained,” said FAA representative Stephanie Branta, while standing in front of a complex map of flights sweeping over Park Slope and Prospect Park. “We have guidelines that must be followed.”

But Jim Williams of Brooklyn Against Aircraft Noise wasn’t sympathetic.

“We can’t sit on our deck anymore!” Williams said. “Every minute — whoosh Whoosh! We can watch them fly overhead.”

The anti-aircraft noise activists cited data that they had acquired through a Freedom of Information Law request, along with their own sound readings, which they said proved that flights were bombarding the neighborhood with roaring turbines.

But many of the anti-noise advocates’ proposed solutions were quickly rebuffed by the government officials.

One suggestion was that air-traffic controllers at La Guardia send more planes to a runway that is neglected compared to the one that receives planes flying over Park Slope roughly every 30 seconds — to which Branta gruffly replied: “Does anyone understand how runway selection is made?” (As it turns out, runways are selected by ideal wind conditions.)

Another suggestion was that planes follow the path of the Brooklyn–Queens Expressway instead of the route stretching from Bay Ridge, through Park Slope, and straight to La Guardia.

“It’s not safe,” said Ralph Tamburro of the FAA. “Aircraft can’t navigate that precisely.”

But without any reforms in air traffic management — and with advances in technology making landing more efficient — Park Slope will be even noisier, according to Jeffrey Starin, a licensed pilot.

“With this next generation [navigation] technology they’re rolling out — if you think it’s bad now, just wait. Things are not going to be pretty,” Starin said.

Things certainly don’t look like they’ll change for the better. By the end of the meeting, held by the Park Slope Civic Council at New York Methodist Hospital, aviation officials weren’t promising anything.

In a moment that highlighted how heated the debate had become, Civic Council President Ken Freeman asked if any members would like to take the lead on further dialogue.

There were no volunteers.

Reader Feedback

Priscilla Roberts from Park Slope says:
There are 5 busy airports in and around NYC, all located in a windy, wet coastal area with some of the tallest buildings in the world. LGA has a runway that aims in only one direction and handles both takeoffs and landings. There's no flexibility to set flight paths here. I sympathize with those who are very sensitive to noise but NYC is not for you if you expect to sit on an outdoor deck in silence. I personally don't find the airplane noise is that loud or bothersome. The traffic noise in Park Slope is far more loud. I know from experience if you hate the source of noise the noise bothers you more. It's to a large degree emotional.
April 2, 2010, 10:17 am
ronbo says:
I also live on the flight path to Laguardia but in Forest Hills, Queens. I see the planes every couple of minutes from my living room window, but here nothing. I have never heard any aircraft noise while out on the street either and I am closer to the airport. I am surprised that the Park Slope area would hear planes louder than I do in my neighborhood.
April 2, 2010, 11 am
Can't Handle the Truth from Gowanus says:
It sounds just like an Airbus making a landing ... whinnnnnneeeeeeeeee.
April 2, 2010, 11:06 am
Leon Freilich from Park Slope says:
SICK AIR OVER THE SLOPE

The real estate boom has plunged and died

And jobs are still far off

Supplanted by the unwelcome boom

Of a constant sonic cough.
April 2, 2010, 4:18 pm
john gotti from howard beach says:
You think you got noise, come check out my neighborhood.
April 2, 2010, 9:25 pm
david from park slope says:
i guess the people complaining, must have moved here in the 1930's, cuz I been here since the 1960's and plane noise in not one bit worse now than it was when i was a kid. My kids would like to live here, how bout the criers move to PA and my kids get there house along with the noise.
April 4, 2010, 8:39 pm
Terrace-Top Tenant from Park Slope says:
I have a terrace directly in the LGA flight pattern and tinnitus (constant ringing in the ears) to boot. I've learned to ignore both.

IT'S THE CITY FOLKS! Next we'll have folks say that ambulances will need to take different routes to the hospital.
April 5, 2010, 1:11 pm
ppw from park slope says:
we live right on PPW and have a roof terrace. (yes, we are lucky). And yeah, the planes go by. So do trucks, and ambulances, and buses, and fire trucks, and screaming humans of all sizes (including the adult ones). Planes don't even figure into the constant noise of daily life-- you can barely hear them over all the ground traffic. It's rather selfish to expect the airport to move traffic patterns to someone else's neighborhood just because you don't like it, no?
April 6, 2010, 1:55 pm
BlueJay from Sunset Park says:
While I hope it is not intentional, I think the request for air traffic to be routed over the BQE instead of Park Slope is at the very least environmental classism and possibly worse, considering the demographics of the respective neighborhoods.

Even if one has never been on a plane, NYC residents benefit from air travel and shipping in ways that may not seem apparent unless one chooses to look at them. Likely the complainants enjoy greater benefits than those they would push the perceived problem onto.

What surprises me even more then this group calling the FAA in to their meeting is that the FAA actually sent someone to it.
April 8, 2010, 12:32 am
Kim from from Marietta GA says:
Airplane noise is terrible. Planes fly out of Dobbins ARB and fly 44 feet above ground level over my house-I am under a flight path! Feds won't pay me "just compensation" and the Feds say my house is livable. Dobbins ARB flys about 83,000 planes in and out annually. The noise is HORRIBLE and the area is single family home residential that has been here since the 1920's. Dobbins ARB needs to move out of Marietta. The whole area is turning into a slum area and citizens in Marietta GA hates the noise.

Everyone in the United States of America needs to band together about the noise.
Take a look at this web page:
http://macdillafbnoise.org/home
May 5, 2010, 5:55 pm
Adrastos from Bensonhurst says:
The places are flying close to here as well and are annoying. Air traffic is the worst because it never stops.

It is the same with the tourist helicopters around Govenors Island and you can't even enjoy the parks anymore.
Feb. 5, 9:07 pm
cezzre from dyker hts says:
whats with the freaking planes now, all of a sudden they are flying so close, I can hear them now.

they were always in the distance as if flying over the harbor, nut now they seem like they are flying over 5th ave and i can see and hear them from my home on 14th ave and 86th

they are horrible making noise one after the other after the other....

what happened here?>??????
Feb. 7, 9:55 pm

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