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The 250 geese and goslings that were massacred in Prospect Park in July were only the tip of the goose-berg, new documents reveal.

Federal agents rounded up a total of 1,676 geese from 19 locations in the city and Nassau County — apparently making last summer’s operation the largest intentional waterfowl extermination in city history.

The birds were thrown into crates and hauled to JFK Airport, where they were gassed, bagged, and discarded, according to documents obtained through a Freedom of Information request. The goose-filled Dumpsters were then hauled to an incinerator in Garden City.

In Prospect Park, the July 8 “culling” was done under cover of darkness — and the records indicate that officials knew their efforts would be controversial.

“JFK ops will also coordinate your arrival each day to avoid any unwanted attention,” Laura Francoeur, the chief wildlife biologist for the Port Authority, wrote in an e-mail explaining protocol for the operation.

Of course, unwanted attention is what the feds got after visitors to Prospect Park noticed that hundreds of molting geese and baby goslings had vanished overnight.

Within days, the truth was revealed: that the animals had been swept up in citywide operation meant to clear the skies of geese — the same waterfowl that caused the crash landing of a US Airways flight in the Hudson River in 2009.

That harrowing incident led federal officials to kill 1,235 geese from sites within five miles of both city airports that year.

But this summer, the radius was expanded to seven miles, though federal officials exceeded that distance when they corralled geese in Prospect Park.

City, state and federal officials insisted that the culling of the goose population — which had grown to around 25,000 in the city — was necessary to reduce risk to aircrafts.

But the wide array of government agencies involved likely did not comprehend the passion of many parkgoers for the Prospect Park waterfowl. Immediately after the culling, hundreds of Brooklynites were outraged, and organized a vigil in memory of the geese.

Later, it was revealed that city officials — concerned about issues of liability — had discussed the possibility of a 30-mile goose kill zone.

And recently Tupper Thomas, Prospect Park’s top administrator, confessed that she was aware that the goose massacre was imminent, but said nothing publicly because she felt it was not her place.

Despite all these revelations, the feds remain tight-lipped about the details of their goose eradication plan, which, records show, could encompass nearly the entire city.

All 19 locations visited by Wildlife Services agents last summer remain a mystery, but documents from the Port Authority — the agency managing the city’s airports — do reveal a few of the sites in addition to Prospect Park:

• In Nassau County, agents exterminated geese in Valley Stream and Hempstead Lake State Park.

• In Brooklyn, agents killed animals at the Fountain Avenue and Penn Avenue landfills.

• In Queens, agents slaughtered geese in Alley Pond Park, Little Neck Bay and Fort Totten.

• Animals on Rikers Island and Randall’s Island were also swept up in the culling.

Some saw the stunning scale of the goose massacre as evidence that the policy needed to change.

“It is certainly the largest waterfowl [massacre] we know of,” said Patrick Kwan, the New York State director of the Humane Society of the United States. “It’s an example of why we need transparency. For 1,600 geese to be killed without New Yorkers knowing what was going on or being able to consider alternatives … it’s not the most effective, efficient or humane method.”

But gassing is the method favored by the city — and it is possible that it will be expanded to include the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge next year.

The chief of resource management at the Gateway National Recreation area, Dave Avrin, said a study was underway to determine how to control the goose population in the area. Previously, Jamaica Bay, which is part of a National Park, was off-limits to Wildlife Services.

“We are going through an Environmental Impact Statement at this time,” said Avrin. “One of the alternatives is to cull them next year, another is not. We’ll determine which one at the end of the process.”

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Cynthia from Clinton Hill says:
Poor geeses, disgusting what they had to do for more grab land. sounds like what they did to the JEWS? but this was acceptable.? murdering them?they were gassed, bagged, and discarded, according to documents obtained.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:51 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh get over it people, they're animals. It's no big deal.

And Cynthia, you are seriously proving Godwin's law on the very first post here? You actually drew a parallel between killing some GEESE and the HOLOCAUST, you weak-minded simpleton? Are you incapable of forming arguments about everyday things so you get confused and just call everything Hitler?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:06 am
al pankin from downtown says:
the culling was long overdue, hopefully they will keep the geese population under control.
now they can move on to culling alot of deer on the east end of Long Island, the sooner the better.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:24 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
"Oh, get over it, people, they're only animals....jews, blacks, women, etc., etc., etc."

There have been times in human history when women were considered not to have "souls," when African Americans were enslaved, when christians were fed to lions and jews were exterminated in concentration camps.

All atrocities, regardless of the victims are born of the same arrogant mindset: "They are less than us and they don't matter."

Or, another way to put it, "might makes right."

Even for those who don't care about geese or downtrodden, exploited humans, they might (or should care) how their government is operating.

Massacres against anything conducted under secrecy and lack of transparancy should give us all pause for thought.

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutey."

Think about that one a little and consider what it means for all of society.

Thanks to the Brooklyn Paper for once again considering and exposing the true seriousness of clandestine and destructive government actions like these.

This is what is meant my true "investigative journalism."

Your readers should truly appreciate it as it is not as common today as it should be.

Bravo.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:07 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
"Oh, get over it, people, they're only animals....jews, blacks, women, etc., etc., etc."

There have been times in human history when women were considered not to have "souls," when African Americans were enslaved, when christians were fed to lions and jews were exterminated in concentration camps.

All atrocities, regardless of the victims are born of the same arrogant mindset: "They are less than us and they don't matter."

Or, another way to put it, "might makes right."

Even for those who don't care about geese or downtrodden, exploited humans, they might (or should care) how their government is operating.

Massacres against anything conducted under secrecy and lack of transparancy should give us all pause for thought.

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutey."

Think about that one a little and consider what it means for all of society.

Thanks to the Brooklyn Paper for once again considering and exposing the true seriousness of clandestine and destructive government actions like these.

This is what is meant my true "investigative journalism."

Your readers should truly appreciate it as it is not as common today as it should be.

Bravo.



Nov. 16, 2010, 8:12 am
Mary Beth from Windsor Terrace says:
Yes, they are "only" living, breathing creatures--- who didn't deserve what they received and we as residents didn't deserve what we received.
It is serious business when officials avoid transparency and undermine the intelligence and compassion that most New Yorkers have.
I noticed the geese were gone that weekend and if I had been told that they flew off to Jamaica Bay or were hiding from the heat I would have howled with laughter but instead was shocked and saddened. This was not culling- It was murder. Culling, removes "rejected members or parts of a herd" due to "inferior qualities" Culling reduces a size- In this case- All were EXTERMINATED- not euthanized as was and still is still continually reported (However, not in the Brooklyn Paper!) I only hope that this will now set a precedent for other communities around the globe, given that this has received international attention. We will not stand back and watch or approve of wildlife or any life be so callously tossed to the side and murdered because some deem them a nuisance. What do they expect? The human footprint has painted wildlife into a corner.

Caring for the park is not just about aesthetics. The officials now know that the community cares about it's wildlife. We will continue to watch over them appreciate, respect them and most of all, care.
THANK YOU BROOKLYN PAPER, for caring.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:58 am
lechacal from park slope says:
You people are such predictable liberal drones. Do you have an original thought among you?

You know they poison subway rats by the hundreds of thousands, right? And a subway rat has never, to my knowledge, brought down a passenger aircraft. What's the difference, rats aren't cute? They don't make darling little noises in the lake in Prospect Park?

And seriously - you are actually equating killing geese to whatever human rights issue NPR plugged into your vacant little heads today? Calling geese "just animals" (which is circular logic, and thus incapable of being proven false, but I'll leave advanced stuff out of the convo for now) is like subjugating jews, blacks, and women?

I feel like I'm sitting in a cafe in Northampton Mass surrounded by a bunch of freshman sociology students.

I loathe humans.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:22 am
lechacal from park slope says:
OMG I'm dying here. ROFLMMFAO!!!! I just saw that PattyA busted out "massacre." Massacre!!! hahahah

hahahaha aaaaaahhhh hahahaha

Massacre. hahaha.

[wiping eyes]

They "massacred" the poor widdwe geese. God no!! Not a geese massacre!!! Anything but that!!!

A geese massacre. Are you people for real?
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:26 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
The fact that the geese were trucked to Kenney Airport for the gassings is significant.

That would appear to violate American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines for "quick and humane" death.

One can only imagine the absolute terror and stress of wild birds, stuffed in crates and trasported to a location more than 7 miles away to be killed.

According to USDA reports, the geese once crammed into gas chambers can take anywhere from "a few minutes up to an hour to die."

None of this should be acceptable to anyone with a shread of decency, compassion or justice.

Nor, should it be comforting to know that our Airports are moonlighting as avian gas chambers. One wonders exactly where at Kennedy Airport the gassings occurred and how?

Finally, it WAS Tupper Thomas's "place" to notify Prospect Park community of oncoming massacre. That, according to USDA who do not round up and kill without permission.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:31 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh. My. God.

Are you serious? There are little birdy GAS CHAMBERS at the airport?

That's it. We must be living in a fascist state. The resistance will meet at Vox Pop tonight at 6 pm sharp!!!!! Be prepared to take up arms against the subjugators of our little feathered friends!!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:33 am
dave from Bed Stuy says:
Not sure I've ever seen two such incredible wackjobs (Patty A & Cynthia) in the same place at the same time.

Me Lechacal...I'm sure both of these tards will be upset about this all day and blog about it to their friends as they waste time sitting in some coffee shop with WiFi.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:36 am
dave from Bed Stuy says:
First they came for the rats and I said nothing. Then they came for the geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:37 am
Pete from EastParkSlope says:
we do live in fascist state but that is because of corporate control of our gov't.
Nonetheless, getting rid of the geese is essential to health and safety of people in our community. Those that don't realize this have little understanding and appreciation of nature
and natural habitats.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:39 am
lechacal from park slope says:
List of animals that could use a good gassing:

1. Geese who bring down passenger aircraft

2. Subway rats

3. Raccoons (I hate those ——ing things)

4. The coyotes back at the family farm in Vermont who keep killing the chickens in the middle of the night
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:41 am
dave from Bed Stuy says:
Pete...if there was corporate control over the killing of the geese you can be sure it would cost a lot less, be far more efficient and the meat put to good use.

I'm sure there's a myriad of government agencies overlooking this and the cost per goose os probably astronomical.

All this can be laid at the feet of the Obama administration nd is just another reason that the republicans won a landslide
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:42 am
pete from EastparkSlope says:
If did a real census of goose population you'd see that they are more concentrated in republican districts. If republicans were anything more than hotair, they would have deported them back to canada long ago.
It took a democratic regime to take the important 1st step.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:46 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Patty A writes:

"Thanks to the Brooklyn Paper for once again considering and exposing the true seriousness of clandestine and destructive government actions like these."

Yes, it's a virtual "All the President's men" and is in line for a Pulitzer.

Maybe if there had been more clandestine government ops then the twin towers might still be standing.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:48 am
lechacal from park slope says:
pete, I just came to an astonishing realization when I was reading your post.

The reason these people love geese so much is that every year the geese threaten to move to Canada, only to realize how much it sucks up there and turn around and come back!!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:49 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Lethacal, what you don't seem to "get" is that the rationale for virtually all forms of violence, injustice or abuse is the same. Whether we are talking of the school bully who beats up on a weaker kid, a violent spouse or entire exterminations of people or animals: "They are less than us and they don't matter."

Equating geese peacefully living on a lake to those creatures that might invade our homes (bedbugs, roaches or rats) is not a rational comparison.

The subject is not defending ourselves against actual and personal threat.

Its about whether we should blow every bird out of the skies to supposedly "insure airline safety" (and that would entail killing billions of birds who fly, not just Canada geese) or build better places, utilize avian radar and fly planes slower on takeoffs and landings (as they are doing in Canada now).

It seems the effective and responsible solutions are clear and they don't involve turning our Airports into clandestine avian gas chambers.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:49 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
pete from EastparkSlope says:
If did a real census of goose population you'd see that they are more concentrated in republican districts.

No doubt because we value our parks and respect them. The rest of you folk have no regard for the beauty and serenity of a park. All you care about is that there's a bicycle lane for the downtrodden who can't be chauffered around in a car. Who the hell cares.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:51 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Patty A, pull your head out of your ass. It's not about "every bird"

It's about a readily identified threat to aviation and the lives of people in the aircraft.

Is a goose's life as important as that of a human being??? Really, you really believe it is???
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:54 am
lechacal from park slope says:
OK, so we're talking about killing some geese here, with the stated goal of improving aviation safety, 2right? In that context, it's very hard to take anyone seriously who drops stuff like:

"sounds like what they did to the JEWS"

"murdering them"

"Massacres"

"secrecy"

"It was murder"

And, to clear one thing up, animals are less than us. We get to kill them if they are being pests, and we get to eat them when we're hungry. Our needs come first.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:55 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Patty A and most likely Cynthia have probably never been in a field or grassy area that has been filled with geese. They have no idea how much filthy —— these rats drop. They make the land unusable.

There have been a number of uprisings over these geese elsewhere where they are defecating all over sports fields to the extent that children can't use them. These birds carry disease. They are a nuisance and a nasty one at that.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:58 am
pete from EastParkSlope says:
Dave, Country clubs are not parks. No matter what your republican friends claims. Parks don't charge 10k initiation fees and require references and proof of lineage.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:58 am
Chauncey Gardener from Brooklkyn Heights says:
"Parks don't charge 10k initiation fees and require references and proof of lineage."

Not sure what club charges only $10k for initiation, but it must be a real dump. No Bushwood, for sure.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:01 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Perhaps some of these geese can be domesticated and raised to produce foie gras.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:02 am
pete from EastParkSlope says:
These geese a.k.a. pond rats are a bigger environmental disaster than BP oil spill (and all the other corporate negligence disasters)
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:02 am
MartyL from Park Slope says:
Dave and Lechachal don't seem to get the point. What was done was wrong on so many levels.

By the way, I like rats and I am not liberal.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:04 am
Jen Jie from Park Slope says:
The contempt for animal life (as voiced here by certain cretins who obviously have no love in their lives) is no different than contempt for human life. Only in the latter case, you could possibly get in trouble with the law. Stories about animal welfare always bring out your small-time sociopaths, people who hate other people but just don't have the guts to act on it. So they hate animals instead. Hi ho, let's go kill some geese, aren't we powerful now. Given the company of people like these, I'd rather go with the geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:05 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Marty...why???? Should they have asked for Community Board input first???
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:07 am
Ishtar from Black Harlem says:
As a colored woman, I take great offense with the comparison of atrocities. I'm convinced some of you are sheltered white women.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:08 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Jen Jie, perhaps some day you will be taking off from JFK and a flock of geese will get sucked into the engines, and while the ground rushes towards the airplane as it spins you to your untimely demise, you will think, "God, I wish I hadn't been such a predictable retard."
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:09 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Ishtar, you are so awesome sometimes.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:09 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Jen Jie, your flawed armchair psychiatry aside, I love most animals, but not when they are such a nuisance and are a threat to human life.

I bet you too have not seen afield coverid in sh*&t after a flock of these geese have been there.

Please, take your degree in sociology or philosophy and try and do something productive.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:11 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
"as a colored woman."

I probably haven't heard that in years except in documentaries.

Your point about them being sheltered white women is probably spot on. I would have bet they are both moonface transplants from the middle states but people from there are far more sensible about killing unwanted animal pests.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:14 am
pete from EastParkSlope says:
what about the violence these overpopulated geese commit to other species. To the fish in waters they pollute, etc.
You realize these flying rats dump a pound to pound and a half a day ...filled with e-coli into nature?
You like them so much...why don't you clean up after them?
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:19 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Perhaps the retired folks can clean up after them, after their productive morning on jury duty.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:20 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Dave: Yes, it is about "every bird."

Gassing 400 geese from Prospect Park did not prevent a plane going down in Alaska after hitting ONE eagle, nor a plane in Utah having to make emergency landing after ONE pelican hit its windshield.

More starlings collide with planes than Canada geese.

Yes, if we are going to "insure" that planes don't collide with birds and have to emergency land or go down, we have to kill EVERY bird that flies OR take REAL preventive measures such as use of avian radar, flying planes slower on landings and takeoffs and quite frankly build better planes.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:26 am
lechacal from park slope says:
This is great! Now PattyA is an expert on aviation engineering. She wants Boeing and Airbus to build better planes.

Tell you what Patty, why don't you write a darling little letter to both companies with your specific plans for re-engineering all of their production aircraft. And then write Rolls Royce and GE about how you intend to improve upon the design of the modern jet engine. Is there a new single crystal superalloy you have developed? Please, do tell.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:30 am
lechacal from park slope says:
This thread perfectly demonstrates why some decisions need to be made without consulting the public: The public is too stupid to consult.

Hobbes was right.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:32 am
pete from EastParkSlope says:
retired people have better things to do than cleanup after pond rats and post on blogs.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:35 am
morgaine from Marine Park says:
lechacal, you are so offensive! Even your use of the word 'retard' is offensive. I assume you think 'retards' are also less than 'less than us'? Maybe we should exterminate them too? Animals aren't 'less than us' because they can't scream, "don't kill me, don't kill my children". They feel pain, fear and want to live like any other living thing. People like you, with no capacity for empathy, who think they are somehow superior to animals and other people are sick and twisted. This was an unnecessary slaughter of innocents. And now they may go after the ones in Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge? Kind of takes the 'refuge' part out of it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:35 am
Ace from New Utrecht says:
The fact that the killings were done in secret speaks volumes. The fact that it was done with the full knowledge of the private enterprise that controls our public park speaks volumes also.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:36 am
dave from Bed Stuy says:
"This thread perfectly demonstrates why some decisions need to be made without consulting the public: The public is too stupid to consult."

Despite my firm view that less government is always better, I must agree with this.

The public consist of a bell curve with regard to intelligence, logical thinking and common sense and, unfortunately half the population is to the left of center on that bell curve, meaning below average.

There are two perfect examples of the left tail of the curve right here in our very midst, Cythia & Patty.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:37 am
dave from Bed Stuy says:
" This was an unnecessary slaughter of innocents. "

It's truly sad that New York City, the capital of the world, has such vapid people.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:37 am
lechacal from park slope says:
morgaine, I'm not "somehow" superior to animals, I'm superior in thousands of specific ways. To list just a few:

1. Advanced language skills.

2. Capacity to transmit information through means other than genetics and physical mimicry.

3. Opposable thumbs.

4. Ability to adapt very quickly to new circumstances.

5. Have geese ever developed a nuclear weapon? I didn't think so.

6. Control over my environment, not vice versa.

Have you ever been anywhere near a real farm or have you always been urban and completely disconnected from the food supply and real decision making? Does all of your information on this subject come from places like the Brooklyn Paper or do you have a shred of real experience (summer camp in the berkshires doesn't count; neither does a petting zoo; and neither does time spent in the Peace Corps).
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:43 am
lechacal from park slope says:
"Ace from New Utrecht says:
The fact that the killings were done in secret speaks volumes."

Oh, good point Ace. They definitely should have announced way in advance: "ATTENTION PUBLIC: WE WILL BE KILLING ALL THE GEESE IN THE PARK AT 9 AM ON SUNDAY, SO FOR ALL OF YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT PROTEST FOR THE SAKE OF PROTEST MAKES YOU ALL POLITICAL AND STUFF, THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME DISRUPT THINGS AND MAKE AN ASS OF YOURSELF!"

Awesome idea. Dipshit.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:46 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
7. Not afraid of the vacuum cleaner.

8. Able to understand window glass and not run into it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:46 am
Joseph Rosetta from Midwood says:
Brooklyn Paper- I am incredibly offended at the wordings of the above posts by Dumbmer and Dumbmer.

Otherwise, keep up the great investigative work
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:59 am
lechacal from park slope says:
You show me one goose that can mix a decent martini. That goose is exempt from the gas chamber.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:59 am
lechacal from park slope says:
"Joseph Rosetta from Midwood says:
Brooklyn Paper- I am incredibly offended at the wordings of the above posts by Dumbmer and Dumbmer."

Good argument! It's witty, succinct, really drives home the point. I am powerless in the face of this breathtaking logic. I guess I have to surrender now.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:01 am
OhioOrrin from williamsburg says:
geese are vermin (like snakefish,nutria & boar) that destroy habitat & have no natural predators to ck overpopulation.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:02 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
OhioOrrin...wild boar ragout is one of my favorite dishes
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:04 am
Morgaine from Marine Park says:
Why lechacal, Wuz you a farmer? Got to make those BIG decisions did ya? I suspect that along with your opposable thumbs, you have a litttle tiny dick. And talking down to everyone else and having 'control over your environment' makes you feel like a real man. What a sad, sorry excuse for a human being. The killing of these geese, in secrecy, in the dead of night was a shame and even if you can't feel any sympathy for the geese and their goslings, you should at least be outraged at the government making decisions to do things like this with no public notice or imput. There were alternatives.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:04 am
ASteinberg from Brooklyn says:
I have never seen a better example of "hoisted on his own petard" than this idiot lechacal (unless it's his toadying sidekick dave). Hoisted on one's own petard literally translates to "lifted by the air of his own fart", and since lechacal seem to be NY's largest pocket of untapped hot air, the description seems to fit. The Brooklyn Paper must let you pontificate here for laughs because with each succeeding post, you further demonstrate your total ignorance of: 1) geese, 2) aviation, 3) history, 4) government policy and corruption and 5) any intelligence whatsoever. You clearly know absolutely nothing about this topic and the multiple related issues, apart from your exaggerated sense of self-entitlement, and it is obvious that you haven't even bothered to read any of the many articles that have been written about this situation nor done any research in the least. You are driven by nothing more than loving the sound of your own voice and your disproportionate sense of ego, obviously the only sense you possess. And your antiquated, out-of-touch attitude embodies the REAL problem.

Because I have never seen such stupidity and arrogance duplicated with such mirrored perfection, I can only conclude that lechacal and dave are the same person. Pull your head out of your rectum and educate yourself before you endlessly write on issues you know nothing about. Your ignorance is appalling and embarrassing.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:07 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Morgaine, people who comment on whether or not someone has a "little tiny dick" usually do so from their own experience.

it so adds to your argument though. Keep up the critical thinking.

Joey Rosetta can add you to the list of "Dumbmers" along with Cynthia & Patty
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:08 am
lechacal from park slope says:
"Morgaine from Marine Park says:.....you should at least be outraged at the government making decisions to do things like this with no public notice or imput."

Quite to the contrary, morgaine, I'm super glad they didn't consult anyone like you. If idiots like you had a real voice in public affairs nothing would ever get accomplished.

Hobbes was right.

Oh, and awesome comeback re: penis size. I'm crushed. You said I have a small dick. Oh my god no what can I do???? Serious question for you though: are you an economically comfortable white woman with a liberal arts degree? Just curious, you fit the profile so perfectly I just thought I would confirm.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:09 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
ASteinberg....rarely do we get a glimpse of such pompous, self righteous crap the way you spewed that load!!!!

It' probably took you all morning to compose that.

And your own "You are driven by nothing more than loving the sound of your own voice and your disproportionate sense of ego, obviously the only sense you possess."
is clearly demonstrated!!!!!

THEY ARE F*&CKING GEESE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:12 am
lechacal from park slope says:
"ASteinberg from Brooklyn says:...idiot....fart...hot air......You clearly know absolutely nothing....exaggerated sense of self-entitlement...ego...out-of-touch....stupidity...arrogance...ignorance...appalling...embarrassing."

Do you actually have an argument to make or are you just going to regale us with a string of insults? There was not one single thing of substance in your entire tirade. And for ad hominem attacks, that was actually kind of mediocre.

Try again, idiot. Use facts and an argument this time.

I've got to go work for a while. I'll be gone for a while, so you have plenty of time to gather your facts and arguments through google searches.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:13 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
They both sound like neither one of them has the intellect to come up with a truly useful cause to support.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:14 am
dh from wburg says:
no one has brought up how EASY it is to kill geese. chances are in prospect park you can just throw a rock and accidentally cave a goose skull. lots of fun
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:14 am
lechacal from park slope says:
dh from wburg: Geese are actually kind of hard to kill. With chickens you can just grab them by the neck and spin them over your head. The neck snaps. Takes 5 seconds. Geese are bigger, stronger, and meaner. The way I've done it is hold their head over a chopping block and chop the next with an axe. Then the body runs around for a while and the wings flap and it flies here and there, and then sits there and twitches for a while.

It's a pain in the ass to take out the feathers but fresh goose is delicious.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:21 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
The only real issue here is the Dept of health dragging it's F(*&ing beauracratic feet in designating the meat as safe to eat. In most other parts of the country, these geese are killed all the time (with none of this liberal namby pamby bullshit) and the meat is sent to the food pantries for the poor.

If any of you jack@sses really understood this issue it might help you in your thinking.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:21 am
lechacal from park slope says:
I meant chop the *neck* with an axe. Was typing too fast.

Anyways gotta go for real now.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:22 am
dh from wburg says:
interesting lech - i guess i have a god given gift for killing geese with rocks then.

dave - goose meat is okay, but what about foie?
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:24 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Also, lechacal and I are not one in the same. Although I sense a bit more philosophical background to his thinking, along with the VT farm experience, I, on the other hand, am more logical and pragmatic, a "bottom line" guy.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:25 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Mr dh...the geese have to be force fed a very high protein diet in order to "fatten" the livers and get true fois gras. Ordinaty goos liver is about as palatable as yours or anyone from Williamsburg probably is.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:30 am
MartyL from Park Slope says:
Appalling all around.
Incredible that Lechacal is actually employed.

So sorry an establishment it must be with no empathy towards other sentient beings. Those sentient beings-his co-workers.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:31 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Ten ways that the geese could claim to be "superior" to humans:

1-- They can navigate around the world without a GPS system.

2-- They can fly without a machine.

3-- They mate for life and don't have 50% divorce rate.

4-- They don't abuse or molest their kids; They don't start wars and murder their own kind.

5-- They are extremely protective, vigilant and adaptive. They have managed to survive and even thrive in the face of endless human attempts to destroy their habitat, hunt them to extinction, oil their eggs and even gas them.

6--They are better swimmers than most people and cuter.

7-- They can hold their breaths longer than humans can.

8--They are great forcasters of weather and they don't need "Doplar radar."

9-- Their intelligence, protectiveness and alertness often provides a sense of security for other birds and even invites other birds to "tag along" with them.

10-- Canada geese don't build nuclear bombs.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:34 am
kathy from lakeside-windsor terrace says:
Oh no.....more stupid human tricks- lechacal and dave you should be ashamed of yourselves....is this the kind of dialogue you have with your children.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:40 am
ASteinberg from Brooklyn says:
The stupidest goose is way smarter than lechacal and dave. And far more likable.

Since you are separate people, you are both imbecils and I won't waste time having a duel of wits with an unarmed person. Or two.

Took me 5 minutes to write my original comment which says all I need to say. Your own writing says everything that needs to be said about you. It is obvious that you come here so often because your egos demand it and you have nothing better to do. You certainly have nothing of any value to contribute, as you seem to endlessly demonstrate. It's boring by now. You're not even clever enough to be interesting.
In fact your comments are typical for your ilk.

Yes, by all means go to your jobs - bore someone else for the rest of the day. I don't even want to speculate as to what kind of company would have you as employees, although the post office comes to mind.

Chatter all you want - I'm not wasting further time on you losers. Those of us involved in this issue have REAL work to do. We all see you for what you are. And now you've helped prove it even further.

Next time we have to exterminate pests and nuisance species, I nominate you two. What a waste of space you are.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:40 am
Dave from Bed stuy says:
Patty A probably also uses a cucumber because of the many reasons it's better than a man.

She probably also has a cat.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:41 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
ASteinberg, why don't you discuss the merits of the issue at hand instead of just insulting averyone.

You are very impressed with yourself. In reality you are like a whiney immature child, nothing more. I suspect you work in the public sector and feel that your intellect is wasted there yet you aren't useful enough to get a job in the real world. Isee it all too often in people who post on the internet with that type of holier than thou atttitude.

Sad, actually, quite sad.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:47 am
pete from eastParkSlope says:
why should the gov't send goose meat to food pantries? Can't you let the poor just borrow a gun and shoot the geese themselves? You are the cause of people being dependent on gov't.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:53 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Pete, the poor just want 9mm handguns to shoot at each other. They can't actually aim to shoot and kill a goose.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:59 am
MartyL from Park Slope says:
Brooklyn paper- seriously consider banning these two clowns.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:17 pm
ASteinberg from Brooklyn says:
No Dave, YOU and le jackass are the ones who seem to be overly impressed with yourselves, for what I surely don't know. It is amazing how accurately you have described yourselves and it isn't a surprise to me that you don't see it, although everyone else here certainly does.

Instead of intelligently debating WITH RESPECT a topic that has been written about in a wide variety of major publications by some excellent journalists who have fairly reported all sides of this issue, YOU are the ones who broke out with insults and stupid comments like 2 12-year old boys. I have written commentary on this issue for various newspapers and I have been deeply and actively involved with this matter for several years. I have no intention of discussing this topic with people who have already proven that they are close-minded, short-witted and insulting. I have seen nothing of any intelligence from you or l. worthy of a debate, although you both are clearly master-debaters. In fact, that's all you seem to be.

You don't know me or anything about me, so save your suppositions about my job. You would be surprised at what I do, and it is highly rewarding and satisfying. I have a sneaking suspician you are talking about yourself as your voluminous and needy posts would indicate.

Don't you have anything better to do? Try doing it instead of adding to the pollution level. Sorry if I threatened you but you need to grow a pair and try to make the world a better place. If you can't do it any other way, try leaving it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:20 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
You've added absolutely nothing, Marty.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:21 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
"I have been deeply and actively involved with this matter for several years. " writes ASSteinberg.

REALLY???? Because you've acually added nothing factual to the discussion. You just like to play mommy and hall monitor, call people names and rant about how superior you are.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:24 pm
Rehabber from Fort Greene says:
Here is some info on the perceived health risks of Canada Geese

http://www.canadageesenewjersey.com/Health%20Quotes/Health%20Quotes.htm
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:27 pm
pete from eastParkSlope says:
your website/canadageesenewjersey is about objective as
drudgereport and breitbart.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:40 pm
Rina Deych, RN and Wildlife Rehabilitator from Borough Park says:
Thank you to the Brooklyn Paper for covering this issue.
People from around the city contacted me to say the geese were disappearing from various locations. We suspected that there were more than the prospect park killings, but (until now) did not know for certain.

How sad that the USDA's jump straight to annihilate these animals, instead of first trying suggestions by the Humane Society, In Defense of Animals, and waterfowl experts to control the population.

It's even sadder that some members of the public are so full of rage and disdain for these innocent animals and the people to protect them (although I, like A Steinberg, strongly suspect many of these disgraceful posts were submitted by the same person).
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:57 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Dave: Judging from your insults, lables and name-calling to everyone who doesn't agree with you, it seems you are neither a lover of humans nor animals.

Planet earth must be a very frustrating and despairing place for you. All those nasty geese on the park lake, all the "crazy liberals" and even the poor who just "want 9 mm handguns to shoot at each other."

Perhaps mama didn't love you enough? Maybe she preferred Canada geese, thus explaning your apparent rage and disdane for the birds with black heads and white chin straps?

These days, for a hefty price, you can buy yourself a ticket on a rocket leaving for the moon and places beyond.

No poor, no "intellectual inferiors," no Canada geese and no liberals to bring angst to your day.

In fact, there will be no one to even notice if you change your adult diaper or not.

Bon Voyage, Dave. Your (space) ship is waiting.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:10 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Thanks Patty. Like I said your armchair psychologist rantings are very amusing, not very creative, just amusing.

Your lunch break is over now, back to work.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:13 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Hey there party people!!!!

This gets better and better. My favorite is ASteinberg.

"You're not interesting....I hate you blah blah blah 10 reasons you suck, ad hominem attack....I'm not listening to you, you're dumb......I hate you blah blah blah blah OMG I hate you so much.....I'm not paying attention to you..... I hate you...."

ASteinberg, just admnit it. You have a huge gay crush. You find the anti-geese rhetoric strangely attractive. The Steinberg doth protest too much.

I'm married though, and I'm not on the down low, so you're out of luck.

If you're asian or latino Dave might go for you though.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:17 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Mr lechacal...with a name like Steinberg I'm sure I'm not attracted to him in the least.

But with his homophobic remarks and "little penis" talk, we know what he's all about. Prolem is, he most likely never actually gets any or is too closeted to go looking so there he sits, in his small apartment, choking the chicken!!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:20 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"PattyA from Manhattan says:...it seems you are neither a lover of humans nor animals."

Oh no, I only hate humans, because most of them are idiots. Animals are very useful. Mankind has had a productive relationship with animals for many many thousands of years. But animals are here to serve us, and when they spread pestilence, or put us in danger, we can kill them.

They also taste yummy, so we get to kill them to eat them.

BTW, you never answered the question: are you an economically comfortable white woman with a liberal arts degree?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:20 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
I also think Patty would be a much less angry woman if she got "goosed" a little more often on the subway.

In fact, I'm now wondering whether patty and ASSteinberg don't live together in a mutually parasitic, non sexual relationship.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:23 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Rina Deych, RN and Wildlife Rehabilitator from Borough Park says:.....It's even sadder that some members of the public are so full of rage and disdain for these innocent animals"

Yes, that's it. Rage against the goose. I can't even see a long neck and feathers without seeing red and flying into an uncontrollable rage. DAMN YOU GOOSE!!!! WHY MUST YOU TORTURE ME SO!!!! Rage, I tell you, blind rage.

Rina, so far in this discussion you have demonstrated (1) poor reading comprehension and (2) a weak grasp on logic. There is no rage against geese. Just a desire to kill them for a perfectly logical reason: to keep humans from getting killed.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:25 pm
Anntelope from eastvillage says:
Lechecal. I have noticed in my life that the more miserable some people are, the more they use defenseless beings as scapegoats. For instance, the pigeons in the neighborhood. It's perhaps a coinky dink but for some reason, all the alcoholics in particular appear to hate them.
They say it's because they poop all over and make a mess.
Um, fact is, the DRINKERS in this neighborhood pee everywhere, vomit everywhere and throw their garbage including broken bottles everywhere. But that's okay. Just don't let a pigeon leave one speck of poo anyplace. Anyhow, getting back to you Lechecal, judging by your many hostile posts, I'd say you're not a very happy camper.
I'm sorry. I hope somebody you'll learn to love life and those that share the world with you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:26 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
ROTFLMMFAO...Here's Antelope in the East Village talking about pigeons and drunks.

HELLLO!!!! YOU LIVE IN THE EAST VILLAGE...THE HELLHOLE OF MANHATTAN.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:29 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
OMG you're so right.... I'm so unhappy and it's all because of my tiny little penis.... mommy didn't love me enough. Waaaaahhh!!!

It's a wonder anyone ever goes to a shrink when it's so easy to psychoanalyze over the Internet in 30 seconds! You're spot on and super smart.

Nah, just kidding, you're a ——ing idiot and you don't know what you're talking about. Actually what's going on is that people who act like killing geese is the holocause annoy me, and I like getting them riled up. It's kind of fun because you all respond so predictably.

Do you always respond to people who call you an idiot with a psychoanalysis? I've found that only liberals do this. They loooooove to hand out fake psychoanalyses of anyone who disagrees with them. How does it feel to confirm the stereotype?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:33 pm
Anntelope from eastvillage says:
By the way Lechecal, are you aware of the fact that these geese are NOT the kind that allegedly caused the plane crash? Meanwhile, it's getting as bad here in the US as it is in China. What next? Dog and cat culls? Will hordes of angry campers like yourself start to gather together with clubs to slaughter any creatures they encounter? I'll never forget one big fat lady and how she told me that "pigeons are filthy birds that draw rats that will then chew on her automobile's wires." Like WHAT? Chew automobile wires? I don't think so. Meanwhile, fact is,k if it weren't for the pigeons that eat all the garbage that PEOPLE throw on the ground, we'd have ten times as many rats. I think you're too ready to believe everything negative you hear about these geese so that you can then feel justified in them being slaughtered. What audacity is it in humans that they think they should just automatically deserve more consideration than any other living creatures?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:34 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Well like I said, dipshit, the first goose that manages to make me a decent martini gets saved from the gas chamber.

And yes, humans do "just automatically deserve more consideration than any other living creatures." Very well said.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:36 pm
Anntelope from eastvillage says:
the eastvillage is a hell hole eh? really. LOLOL
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:37 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
You jackasses have no clue how bad the goose problem is. I have a home in Bucks County and believe me, Prospect Park is barely a clue as to how problematic these things are. They land everywhere there is water by the hundreds and they are menacing to what's already there like ducks and swans. They pollute the water so much to raise the algae levels that all the fish die off in small ponds.

You people stuck here in your 500 sq ft 5th floor walkup apartments really have no friggin cluew what you are talking about.

So unless you are going to present some facts it's reallt time to STFU and get off your high horses.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:38 pm
David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says:
Thanks to the Brooklyn Paper for covering this story. I am grateful to learn about the covert planning and legal tactics used by the USDA and others to carry out this obviously inhumane, and evidently inefficient action.

Fellow Brooklynites, it would do us well to remember that humans are not the only species who make their home in this county, and while many other areas in NYC are not, Prospect Park is a refuge for wildlife.

I'm beyond disgusted by the comments coming from those who are either attacking the activists for calling attention to this and fighting to protect wildlife, and worse, those who are attacking the existence of geese here and in general.

I will be at the Community Meeting tomorrow to add my voice to the support to the hard working people whose efforts I thank in continuing to shed light on this issue. To my understanding, the USDA plans to continue a mass-slaughter of geese in NYS and elsewhere. Humane and effective alternatives certainly exist.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:42 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"I will be at the Community Meeting tomorrow to add my voice to the support to the hard working people blah blah blah blah blah"

Hobbes was right.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:44 pm
Dave from bed Stuy says:
"I will be at the Community Meeting tomorrow to add my voice to the support to the hard working people whose efforts I thank in continuing to shed light on this issue. To my understanding, the USDA plans to continue a mass-slaughter of geese in NYS and elsewhere. Humane and effective alternatives certainly exist."

Kitty Genovese is rolling over in her grave.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:45 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Serious question. Is it legal to kill the alley cats that keep pissing in my back yard or should I stop?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:47 pm
Morgaine from Marine Park says:
I believe that you had originally directed that question to me, lech. And no, I am a blue collar worker who lives paycheck to paycheck with no college degree at all. But I don't need one to know right from wrong, cruelty from compassion or a good, gentle human being from a cruel, sadistic lout.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:54 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
ASteinberg, David Karopkin, Anntelope, MartyL, PattyA, and the rest of you knee jerk animal rights types - a question:

You're driving a train and come to a fork in the tracks. Tied to the tracks on the left is a human being you don't know. Tied to the tracks on the right are 10,000 geese. If you go left, one human will die. If you go right, 10,000 geese will die. You can't stop in time to avoid one of these outcomes.

Do you go left or right?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:55 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
Ravin' Dave ~

Uh, you might be interested to know that I happen to know ASteinberg and she's a woman . Interesting that you assumed that the name belonged to a man. Guess you think only men can write. Just another one of your many wrong assumptions. "Idiot" is truly too mild for you.

As for PattyA using a cucumber - well, if you are an example of men, a cucumber would not only physically be a HUGE improvement, it would be intellectually superior to you as well. My extreme sympathies to your wife. But kudos to you for marrying someone handicapped. She MUST be handicapped, because who else but someone blind, deaf and dumb could put up with you? I bet she's doing lechacal while you sit here typing.

And I bet she'd rather be doing ASteinberg or PattyA.
Or a goose.
ANY goose.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:57 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Morgaine from Marine Park says:......I am a blue collar worker who lives paycheck to paycheck with no college degree at all."

HAHAHAHAHA BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT

I am raising the bullshit flag all the way to the top of the pole.

I call you casper cuz I see right through you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:57 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
If it's YOU tied to the track, lechacal, we'll ALL be cheering as Amtrack grinds you into pebbles.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:58 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says:
...Dave...My extreme sympathies to your wife."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

[wiping eyes]

Pure comedy gold. And George doesn't even know why!
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:59 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says: If it's YOU tied to the track, lechacal, we'll ALL be cheering as Amtrack grinds you into pebbles"

OMG awesome comeback. I wouldn't have thought of that one.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:59 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
George from Prospect Park says:
Ravin' Dave ~

Uh, you might be interested to know that I happen to know ASteinberg and she's a woman . Interesting that you assumed that the name belonged to a man. Guess you think only men can write. Just another one of your many wrong assumptions. "Idiot" is truly too mild for you.

WOW, you really have some deep seated emotional problems.

"My extreme sympathies to your wife. But kudos to you for marrying someone handicapped. She MUST be handicapped, because who else but someone blind, deaf and dumb could put up with you? I bet she's doing lechacal while you sit here typing."

Aside from reading comprehension issues, you are a really angry person with severe emotional problems.

I assumed ASSteinberg was a man because he/she/it was basically a foul mouthed blithering idiot and typically, though I'm not sexist, i don't attribute that style to women. If she is a woman, I pity her poor husband.

She's a real piece of work. I can see her now more plainly though as that wild-hair, sixties aging hippie type still trying to be relevant in a world where she can only muster enough intelligence left in her drug scarred brain to care about geese above humans.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:04 pm
Biff Champion from That's Spelled "Neighbourhood" says:
This entire thread is a train wreck.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:05 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Dave, take you goddamn eyes of the trading screens for a couple of minutes - Don't you want to thank George for extending his sympathies to your wife???
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:05 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
YOU KNOW WHAT....George, ASSteinberg, Patti et al.....YOU ARE ALL TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHEN A THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:05 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
Well, then you'd be about as wrong as you have been everywhere else in this article. She's a pretty sharp, hot young lady, and she eats little twerps like you for breakfast.

Does your village know their idiot is missing? Or were they just glad to get rid of you?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:08 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Dr. Lechacal.....thank you for pointing that out as it got lost in that blabbering rant of his.

George...I killed my wife a few years ago after she became incontinent and started messing on the floor like a goose.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:08 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
George, the joke's on you. Dave is a woman too.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:08 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says: She's a pretty sharp, hot young lady."

Have you ever nailed her?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:10 pm
dave from Bed Stuy says:
George from Prospect Park says:

Does your village know their idiot is missing? Or were they just glad to get rid of you?

OH MAN, MY GUT IS BUSTING FROM THIS COMEDY. It's all so original.

George, ASSteinberg has added nothing to the discussion except to rant about each of us as individuals. She's a sour old woman.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:10 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Yes, but I'm trapped in a man's body.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:11 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Dave your description of Steinberg is perfect. Wild-eyed aging hippie with rat's nest hair, about 50 cats crawling all over her, the Obama "Change" poster tattooed on her back, and massive brain damage from years of too much LSD.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:12 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
Yep, I confused dave's wife with lechacal's wife. That's because I think ASteinberg was right - you're the same person because no 2 people could be so equally miserable and ignorant.

I feel sorry for BOTH your wives.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:13 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
"Yes, but I'm trapped in a man's body."

Which man's body are you trapped in today?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:13 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
Dave your description of Steinberg is perfect. Wild-eyed aging hippie with rat's nest hair, about 50 cats crawling all over her, the Obama "Change" poster tattooed on her back, and massive brain damage from years of too much LSD.

That's YOUR wife, lechacal.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:15 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says:......I feel sorry for BOTH your wives."

AAAAAAHHAHAHAH HHAAHHAH

HAHAHAH AHAHAH AHHHHAAAH HAHA

OMFG

HAHAHAHA

[wiping eyes]

I think this pretty conclusively settles how accurate today's psychoanalyses have been.

George still doesn't know why.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:15 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says:....That's YOUR wife, lechacal."

Yet another stinging, whip-smart retort.

George, the only way I can tell the difference between my wife and your wife from behind is your wife's hair is easier to use as a handle to pull on.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:19 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Are we to believe Ravin' Dave would step away from his laptop were Kitty Genovese being murdered today below his window?

LOL. Now, there's an image!

Word has it that Genovese was a liberal.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:19 pm
George from Prospect Park says:
lechacal ~

I guess it's easy to know how to recognize your wife when she's also your sister.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:23 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"George from Prospect Park says: I guess it's easy to know how to recognize your wife when she's also your sister."

No! Stop!! I crumble under such wit!! I simply can't rise up to think at this high a level!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:24 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Dr. Lechacal......why do I think George is a 22 year old down in the basement of his mother's apartment???

PattyA, I'm beginning to warm up to you. And that isn't lesbo sex.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:25 pm
rkd from ps says:
lech - Take the stray kitties to the Park & set them on the geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:26 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
George from Prospect Park says:
lechacal ~

I guess it's easy to know how to recognize your wife when she's also your sister.

I take back my previous post. he's got the wit of a 6 year old. Man, you can't make people like this up.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:26 pm
MyraW from Brooklyn says:
This is so off-topic and has denigrated to nothing more than foolish children in a dirty sandbox. The intelligent people left long ago and left these comments to the likes of people with serious anger management issues.

No wonder the world is in the shape it is today.

Shame on you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:27 pm
Alfred from Brooklyn says:
Don't you people have JOBS?????

Well, that explains it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:29 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
MyraW sounds like ASSteinberg's twin sister.

Myra, tell us who actually had a bit of factual information on this subject. Lechacal and I pointed out, with our reasons clearly stated, why these geese need to be gotten rid of and why the quickest, cheapest way was the best way.

If you've got something to add, please do so, otherwise go make yourself another cup of herbal tea ans STFU.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:30 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"MyraW from Brooklyn says:.....No wonder the world is in the shape it is today."

Yup, a bunch of name calling on a comment thread for an irrelevant local publication is responsible for, oh, let's see, the Israel-Palestine thingie, global warming, nuclear proliferation, economic destabilization..... anything else?

You get the award for most overbroad and just plain wrong post of the day.

You also go in the idiot bucket with the other idiots.

I really do hate humans. This is why.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:31 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
hahaha rkd

I had another one of those delicious burgers for lunch today, BTW.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:32 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Lechacal, it's clear to me that they're all in very bad moods because of all the recent Republican wins.

Some of them see their ability to feed at the tit of the government about to go away.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:34 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
George, do you want to know why your comments about dave's wife make you sound stupid?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:35 pm
Chauncey Gardener from Brooklyn Heights says:
"The intelligent people left long ago"

She says as she enters the room.....

Could one of them have explained any of the alternative methods for ridding the park of the geese? I haven't seen that one yet.

So far all I see is a ridiculous comparison of geese extermination to the holocaust juxtaposed with a borderline psycho geese killing farmboy who likes to call people idiots. At least the farm boy made an argument at some point.

How am I writing this since all I do is watch television?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:39 pm
Jimmy McMillan from Brooklyn says:
The Geese Are Too Damn Ugly
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:42 pm
Eddie from S Brooklyn says:
dave from Bed Stuy says: "All this can be laid at the feet of the Obama administration nd [sic] is just another reason that the republicans won a landslide."

Blaming Obama for park geese is hilarious enough, but the reasons are even better:
-- "IF there was corporate control over the killing of the geese YOU CAN BE SURE it WOULD cost a lot less," and
-- "I'M SURE there's a myriad of government agencies overlooking this and the cost per goose os [sic] PROBABLY astronomical."

So "if" "probably" and "I'm sure" is fact; Obama created all those "myriad" federal agencies in January 2008, and should have prioritized avian management; and the Dems would've scored if they'd privatized goose-killing. (And if they'd privatized everything EXCEPT goose-killing, you'd still blame them.)

This is called monomania.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:42 pm
Charles Barron from Brooklyn says:
And they're white.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:42 pm
Geese Ausbie from Harlem / Globetrotting says:
"The Geese Are Too Damn Ugly"

Up yours, Jimmy!
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:44 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
You're on the right track, Eddie.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:44 pm
Goose Gossage from Former Yankee says:
Yo, Geese. How goes it????
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:46 pm
Old Geeser from Brooklyn Heights says:
Whaddya say, Goose?
Hal blows what?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:47 pm
Goose Gossage from Former Yankee says:
It's all about me......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrhUZ_MwOQ

I'm a home run champ, a certified studd
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:48 pm
David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says:
Lechacal-
You're driving a train and come to a fork in the tracks. Tied to the tracks on the left is your wife, kids and other immediate family. Tied to the tracks on the right are 10,000,000 good, honest & hardworking people. If you go left, a few humans will die. If you go right, One million others will die. You can't stop in time to avoid one of these outcomes. Do YOU go left or right?

Dave from bed stuy- Not sure what Kitty Genovese has anything to do with this. I do hope to see you at the meeting, perhaps you can enlighten me in person.

BP- perhaps you can remove some of the comments that have violated the terms of posting listed below? Otherwise, its clear that a civil conversation is not something that can be had here.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:48 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
DIBS, Eddie took it hook, line, and sinker.

Have you ever met someone who uses "[sic]" in internet chat rooms who doesn't need to get punched in the nuts?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:49 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says:
Lechacal-
You're driving a train and come to a fork in the tracks. Tied to the tracks on the left is your wife, kids and other immediate family. Tied to the tracks on the right are 10,000,000 good, honest & hardworking people. If you go left, a few humans will die. If you go right, One million others will die. You can't stop in time to avoid one of these outcomes. Do YOU go left or right?"

I go to the right, obviously, and never look back.

Are you going to answer my question or are you going to keep avoiding it?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:51 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says: 10,000,000 = One million"

Fail. Maybe if David had studied engineering instead of sociology he would get this right.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:53 pm
Jack Thread says:
Hi
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:56 pm
Sarah Palin from Wassila says:
Christ, I've shot hundreds of geese. You people are ridiculous.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:56 pm
David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says:
Na i won't answer your question now, perhaps the day I am faced with that reality you'll have an answer. i don't need to deal with your idiotic hypotheticals.

true, 10,000,000 = ten million not 1 million. i feel so dumb. but not as dumb as i do for still reading this and responding. peace
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:02 pm
Eddie from S Brooklyn says:
lechacal from park slope says:
"List of animals that could use a good gassing:

"1. Geese who bring down passenger aircraft

"2. Subway rats

"3. Raccoons (I hate those ——ing things)

"4. The coyotes back at the family farm in Vermont who keep killing the chickens in the middle of the night"
- - -
Why not gas all of NYC's pigeons? Many people dislike them, and their poop causes corrosion.
Same goes for squirrels. Might be rabid; kill 'em all.
You can move on to hawks and falcons (scary predators!) -- and then to dogs. Lots of folks fear/dislike them, and there's no guarantee that dogs won't bite.
Stray and feral cats, too. Why bother with trapping-neutering? Just gas them.
In fact, why waste $ on animal control at all? Just kill animals on sight.
Or we can vote annually re: Killable Animal of the Year, until nothing's left.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:02 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
What meeting are you talking about, David??? The CB meeting to discuss the geese??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I've got better things to do in the evening.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:03 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
I like getting goosed.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:04 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Edddie, you sound like a moron when you try to extend an argument to its logical extreme.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:06 pm
Poet Laurate from Washington DC says:
If you feel the urge, don't be afraid to go on a wild goose chase. What do you think wild geese are for anyway?
- Will Rogers
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:07 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Eddie, 100% of your ideas @ 3:02 are awesome. Furthermore, you are pretty awesome. High five!
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:09 pm
Stash from Brighton Beach says:
Greta, you give me goose bumps when you talk like that.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:09 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"David Karopkin from Ditmas Park says: i don't need to deal with your idiotic hypotheticals."

So then you're not in agreement with those who are making the ridiculous claim that it is inappropriate to choose human life over goose life? Good, I'm glad you're not in that camp.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:10 pm
Red Neck from The Flyover states says:
Goose calling......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9Dy8yEvB8
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:12 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
So, on the 6th day of Christmas I won't be getting six geese-a-laying?
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:12 pm
Goose from Prospect Park says:
I'm sure as hell glad Thanksgving doesn't get any crazier than the TurDucken
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:16 pm
A Goose from the Prospect Park Lake says:
Hey these are nice showers. Wait why are the doors locked???
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:17 pm
The Ballet of Swans from Prospect Park says:
Man are we glad to be rid of those white trash Canadians
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:18 pm
Mary Beth from Windsor Terrace says:
Alternative to gassing geese and managing populations include:

1. Mapping migration routes and using available radar called "Merlin Avian Radar" which will alert aircraft

2. habitat modification- planting shrubbery and higher grasses- geese are attracted to short vegetation that grow in parks, golf courses, etc.-

3. egg addling- manually manipulating the eggs to halt the number of viable eggs that will hatch

4. birth control called Ovocontrol is also available for geese

5. border collies to chase them

6. And did I say Mapping Migration routes?- We are on the Atlantic Flyway, a major migration route for millions of migrating birds- You can't stop millions of years of evolution
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:21 pm
Emeril Lagasse from New Orleans says:
Roast Goose With Armagnac Blueberry Reduction

Ingredients
1 (10 to 12 pound) farm-raised goose
3 tablespoons kosher salt
1 1/2 tablespoons freshly ground black pepper
3 cups chopped onions
1 1/2 cups coarsely chopped carrots
1 1/2 cups coarsely chopped celery
3 bay leaves
5 thyme sprigs, plus 2 teaspoons chopped thyme leaves
6 garlic cloves, smashed
1 cup hot water, divided
1/4 cup thinly sliced shallots, plus 2 tablespoons minced
4 cups dark chicken stock, chicken stock, or water
1 cup Armagnac
3/4 cup dried blueberries
Directions
Preheat the oven to 475 degrees F.

Remove the neck, giblets from the goose. Reserve the neck and giblets separately. Rinse the goose thoroughly inside and out under cold running water. Pat the goose dry with paper towels and season with the kosher salt and black pepper. Place the onions, carrots and celery in a medium bowl and toss to combine. Remove 1/2 cup of the vegetable mixture and set aside. Stuff the cavity of the goose with the remaining vegetable mixture, 2 bay leaves, 4 sprigs of thyme and 4 cloves of garlic. Truss the goose.

Using a fork, prick the skin of the goose on the thighs, back, and lower breast. Place the goose on a rack in a large roasting pan. Place in the oven and roast for 20 minutes. Reduce the oven temperature to 350 degrees F, pour 1/3 cup of hot water over the breast and legs of the goose and continue to roast the goose for another 30 minutes. Open the oven door and pour another 1/3 cup of hot water over the breast and legs of the goose. Close the oven and cook the goose another 30 minutes. Pour a final 1/3 cup of hot water over the goose to help the fat render from the bird and cook the goose until an instant read thermometer inserted into the thigh of the goose without touching the bone reads 165 degrees F, 30 minutes to 1 hour longer. Remove the goose from the oven and allow to rest.

While the goose roasts, prepare the goose stock. Use a heavy, sharp knife to chop the goose neck into 2 or 3 pieces. Place the chopped neck and giblets in a 2-quart saucepan and sear over medium heat. Cook the necks and giblets, turning occasionally, until well caramelized, 5 to 6 minutes. Add the reserved 1/2 cup of vegetables, the remaining bay leaf, sprig of thyme, 2 cloves of garlic, and 1/4 cup sliced shallots and continue to cook, stirring occasionally, until vegetables are wilted and lightly caramelized, 4 to 5 minutes. Add the stock, increase the heat to high, and bring to a boil. Reduce to a simmer and cook for 1 hour. After 1 hour, remove from the heat, strain through a fine-mesh sieve and reserve stock on the side. Discard solids. Pour the Armagnac over the blueberries and reserve separately.

Transfer the goose to a warmed platter, and pour off the fat that has collected in the roasting pan, (try to keep the browned bits on the bottom of the pan). Once most of the fat has been removed from the roasting pan, place it on the stovetop over medium heat over 2 burners. Add the minced shallots to the pan and cook for 1 minute, stirring with a wooden spoon to scrape up the browned bits. Add the Armagnac, blueberries, and thyme leaves and continue to cook until the Armagnac is nearly evaporated, about 1 minute. Add the reserved goose stock to the pan and reduce the heat to medium-low. Continue to cook until the stock is reduced by about half and the sauce is thickened, 4 to 5 minutes. Transfer to a sauce boat and serve alongside the goose.

Note: Be careful when basting the goose with water. The fat from the goose may splatter when the water drips down from basting.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:22 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
oh Stash, take a gander and feather my nest.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:22 pm
Eddie from S Brooklyn says:
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
-- "you are a really angry person with severe emotional problems," AND:

-- "he/she/it was basically a foul mouthed blithering idiot;
AND
-- "She's a real piece of work" and "I can see her now more plainly though" [WAIT: you've never met her and didn't even know that she was a she]
-- "... as that wild-hair, sixties aging hippie type still trying to be relevant in a world where she can only muster enough intelligence left in her drug scarred brain to care about geese above humans."

Dave, you get minus-20 points for anger, severe emotional problems, hypocrisy, and wallowing in your own alternate-reality waste products.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:23 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
"5. border collies to chase them"

Will they chase them all the way back to Canada?
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:23 pm
Stash from Brighton Beach says:
Greta, can I ruffle your feathers first????
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:23 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Mary Beth from Windsor Terrace says:
3. egg addling- manually manipulating the eggs to halt the number of viable eggs that will hatch"

I knew it. All liberals support mandatory abortion. You give them an inch, they take a mile.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:26 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
Stash, you make me out to be Loose as a Goose.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:26 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
You're a very clever cut and paste artist. I must remember tnot to match wits with you in the future.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:27 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
Stash, Greta...get a coop!
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:27 pm
Stash from Brighton beach says:
Greta, I want to be the one to fertilize your pullett egg.

How about a little duck tongue as an appetizer???
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:30 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
Coops are expensive. I'm waiting for the goose to lay the golden egg so I can finally afford a coop with Prospect Park views.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:31 pm
Caspian from Brookly Heights says:
when did this site become so mean-spirited?
I can't believe there are people here
ok with killing wild animals needlessly.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:32 pm
Caspian from Brookly Heights says:
when did this site become so mean-spirited?
I can't believe there are people here
ok with killing wild animals needlessly.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:32 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Needlessly Caspian???? Really, have you no clue.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:34 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
"I'm waiting for the goose to lay the golden egg so I can finally afford a coop with Prospect Park views"

Stash, are you "down" with that or will you tell Greta to get the flock out of here?
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:36 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
Stash, I'm going to take a gander and say I'm not your type.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:37 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Caspian from Brookly Heights says: I can't believe there are people here ok with killing wild animals needlessly."

The word "needlessly" pre-supposes the outcome of the entire debate.

Idiot.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:40 pm
XmasGoose from Canada says:
you looking for a chicken coop? because no goose coops allowed. they are foul.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:41 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
Stash, it sounds like your goose is cooked.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:42 pm
Stash from Brighton Beach says:
Greta, you got a sissy brother??? It's pretty hard to tell a male goose from a female one anyway...not like those damn ducks i always mistake the pretty one for the female. Imagine my surprise.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:43 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Hey Dave looks like gold is setting up for a head and shoulders pattern. Look out below!!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:43 pm
Gia from Park Slope says:
Thank you for posting the information on alternatives to gassing the geese.

I was not aware that they existed.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:43 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
lechacal, you sound uncivilized, I bet you like fois gras also. Why is everyone being so nasty here?
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:44 pm
Aflac Duck from Corporate says:
None of these damn geese have jobs anyway. they're a drag on the economy and like most of the entitled classes (and the liberal left wing nut jobs above) always want more and more and more.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:45 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
Stash, you silly goose. I bet that surprise was Just Ducky with you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:46 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Caspian, I find it very typical of someone who can't afford something to call it "uncivilized."

If it were truly uncivilized it would not be on the menu at La Grenouille and most other civilized restaurants.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:47 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights via Canada says:
Caspian, it's "foie" gras.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:48 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
"Why is everyone being so nasty here?"

I'm not. I'm here hoping to get ducked.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:49 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
"I'm here hoping to get ducked."

ooops, wrong letter.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:49 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Listen, I just came here to read up on the news, not to be in an internet rough-up. You sound like a bunch of children.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:53 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
Greta and Stash sound like a bunch of goslings.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:55 pm
Chicken Little from Kingdom says:
Am I too young to get some of this action????
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:57 pm
Greta from Mill Basin says:
Caspian, I'd hardly consider this article 'news'.
But then again you probably read Brooklyn Heights Blog and think you're in tune with world news.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:02 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Greta, don't flatter yourself. Mill Basin is not the place to be anyway.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:04 pm
Stash from Brighton Beach says:
Greta, I love it when you talk serious and sound educated.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:04 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:

Greta, don't flatter yourself. Mill Basin is not the place to be anyway.

Coming from the hoi polloi who can't even spell foie gras correctly.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:06 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
RESPONSES TO MARY BETH

"1. Mapping migration routes and using available radar called "Merlin Avian Radar" which will alert aircraft"

What is the cost of the radar? How effective is it? Can it provide effective protection against deadly bird strikes for the entire metro area? Could it actually have been put in place at the same time that these geese were killed or would we have to wait for them to be built? If the latter, how long would it be before the radar is fully operational?

"2. habitat modification- planting shrubbery and higher grasses- geese are attracted to short vegetation that grow in parks, golf courses, etc.-"

Are you proposing to take away places where people can play soccer, sit around on the grass, etc? Aldo, how long does it take to implement this and how do you propose to protect against the threat of bird strikes in the interim?

"3. egg addling- manually manipulating the eggs to halt the number of viable eggs that will hatch"

Soooo..... mandatory abortion? How is this different from killing geese?

"4. birth control called Ovocontrol is also available for geese"

Are you going to volunteer to walk around prospect park and make sure all the little goose diaphrams are in place?

"5. border collies to chase them"

I don't think dogs in prospect park running around off their leash all the time sounds wise.

"6. And did I say Mapping Migration routes?- We are on the Atlantic Flyway, a major migration route for millions of migrating birds- You can't stop millions of years of evolution"

Actually, you can. We get rid of species all the time. Hasn't really harmed us either.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:07 pm
Greta from Brooklyn Heights says:
Caspian, one can write any neighborhood they want; Even one they don't live in but desire to.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:07 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Dave, are you and all these people together or something? Bed Stuy. Really?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:10 pm
pete from eastParkSlope says:
I think god is speaking to me and now I have a culling.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:10 pm
Biff Champion from Mill Basin says:
Greta, give me back my neighbourhood!
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:11 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
If animals are so goddamn smart, why do dolphins keep getting themselves caught in tuna nets?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:12 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Lechacal, you just don't care about the rights of wild animals do you?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:12 pm
Greta from any nabe says:
ROFL that Caspian doubts Dave really lives in Bed Stuy.
Yes, Caspian, there are other neighborhoods people live in other than Brooklyn Heights.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:13 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
You know what confuses me about Brooklyn Heights? How everyone complains about the helicopter noise when you know they're all too old to hear it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:15 pm
Eleonora from Fort Green says:
For all of you sick animal haters, what makes you believe you have more right to live on this earth than these animals?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:16 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
I'm not old lechacal and you sound like you're 15.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:17 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh come on, Caspian. We all know Brooklyn Heights is the adult diaper of Brooklyn.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:18 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Eleonora from Fort Green says:
For all of you sick animal haters, what makes you believe you have more right to live on this earth than these animals?"

Elenora, go back and answer my train hypo.

Once you've answered it, you have our permission to get uppity and sanctimonious. Not until then.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:19 pm
Biff Champion from Mill Basin says:
Lechacal, there are 10 Park Slopers complaining about LaGuardia flight patterns for every one Brooklyn Heighter (Brooklyn Haitian?) complaining about copter noise!
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:20 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
There are RC and RS apartments in Brooklyn heights. I suspect he rents in one of those.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:20 pm
Greta from ? says:
Eleonora, are you a vegetarian?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:20 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Lechacal, if you cared about wild animals, you'd have a better outlook. If you haven't seen the video of Geese being rounded up at LaGuardia airport then you have nothing to talk about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:21 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy, Provincetown, Philly and Bucks County says:
Some people actually have more than one residence.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:21 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy, Provincetown, Philly and Bucks County says:
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
Lechacal, if you cared about wild animals, you'd have a better outlook. If you haven't seen the video of Geese being rounded up at LaGuardia airport then you have nothing to talk about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

You're a hell of a lot older than you're letting on if your A Rick Astley fan.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:23 pm
Caspian from Brooklyn Heights says:
You people have turned this thread into a sock full of soggy peni. ;)
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:23 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
I have no problem with wild animals, caspian, as long as they don't interfere with my needs. Like my need to have my plane not crash.

I don't give a crap about the video - I'll just assume it appears devastatingly inhumane.

How does someone from Brooklyn Heights have the energy to keep this up all day?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:24 pm
Greta from Home is where the Heart is says:
"Some people actually have more than one residence."

And some people actually don't have a place to live. BUT let's worry and look out for geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:24 pm
sandy from brooklyn says:
Dave and lechacal use harsh words and emotional outburts to entice a fight. I would suggest everyone just ignore them. They just want to insult and fight because it's what they have learned. And of course they will find harsh words for me as well. It's the only thing they are familiar with. Just ingnore thier comments and please continue talks on a more compassionate level regarding the geese at prospect park.

Blessings to everyone.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:25 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
aaaaaaawwwwwww crap I just got rickrolled.

Goddamn it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:25 pm
Biff Champion from Back in Brooklyn Heights says:
"I don't give a crap about the video - I'll just assume it appears devastatingly inhumane."

Damn, now I have to watch it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:26 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that her name is sandy?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:26 pm
The What from The Beach says:
sandy from brooklyn says:
Dave and lechacal use harsh words and emotional outburts to entice a fight. I would suggest everyone just ignore them. They just want to insult and fight because it's what they have learned. And of course they will find harsh words for me as well. It's the only thing they are familiar with. Just ingnore thier comments and please continue talks on a more compassionate level regarding the geese at prospect park.

Blessings to everyone.

SANDY sure as hell is an appropriate name.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:27 pm
Caspian from East New York says:
Bwhaaaaaaaa.

gotcha! ;)
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:28 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Yeah, you got me.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:29 pm
Greta from Sunset Park says:
Soooooo, who's going to eat Turkey on Thanksgiving?
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:30 pm
Greta from Bay Ridge says:
Caspian, I like you better when you're from East NY
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:31 pm
pete from ParkAveVineyardMonacoVail says:
keep living in your 3rd world hellhole filled with goose poop.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:31 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Greta, we don't want to hear no stories 'bout friggin furriners who don't celebrate Thanksgiving properly.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:32 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Thanks for asking Greta. As we do every year, we're going back to the family farm for Thanksgiving. My brother in law is raising the turkeys this year. I think my oldest kid (she's five) is finally old enough to watch the whole process of turning a living breathing turkey into dinner.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:32 pm
Caspian from East New York says:
This goose is cooked!
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:33 pm
Stash from Brighton Beach says:
Greta, can I stick something in you to see if you're done????
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:37 pm
Bjork from Brooklyn Heights says:
If they get rid of the geese, where will I harvest the feathers for my new winter coat???!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:12 pm
A goose from the Prospect Park Lake says:
Hey, the nice men came and took us to the airport and put us in this nice shower!!! Yay I love it when it rains, this is going to be fun!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:13 pm
BillyJoe from GanderMountain says:
up at that family farm,I bet a 5 year old is just months away from getting engaged.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:14 pm
BillyJoe from GanderMountain says:
"If they get rid of the geese, where will I harvest the feathers for my new winter coat???!!!" -
Don't get all down around the holidays. Be happy.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:15 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
A COW'S LAMENT

First they came for the geese, and we said nothing.

Then they came for the chickens, and we said nothing.

Then they came for the sheep, and we said nothing.

And when they came for the cows, there was no one left to stand up for us.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You all get how ——ing ridiculous that is, right? Like you actually get how stupid you sound when you bust out the holocaust when you talk about goosegate?
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:16 pm
Bjork from Brooklyn Heights says:
HillBillyJoe - are you a shrink?
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:18 pm
Bjork from Bklyn Heights says:
Lech - you are a genius (but you knew that already). They need a Goosegate to contain the geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:19 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
I have an even more genius idea. You know how it's a good thing to get underprivileged kids into sports and involved in the community and stuff?

Why don't we let kids from the projects shoot the geese? They'll learn riflery, an important sporting skill, and teamwork of course, and they'll feel like they've made an important contribution to the community. And we'll even let them take home any goose they kill - a yummy and nutritious meal for an underprivileged family!

I should go into social work.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:25 pm
Skeet Shooter from Canard-sie says:
That's a brilliant idea. You could probably get funding for it from the NRA.

And for the suspicious among you, I am NOT Lechacal under another log-in name. I swear.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:36 pm
Ryan Gosling from Hollywood says:
I just bought the rights to "They Shoot Jackals, Don't They?"
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:39 pm
Goslings Rum from Bermuda says:
I have nothing relevant to say. Just wanted to use my goose-y log-in name.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:41 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
DoucheBag Dave and TurdSandwich lechacal fit right in on Jerry Springer. Unless they are under the age of 13, they are an embarrassment to the human race. They come on various comment boards and do their equal-opportunity obnoxious routine all the time. Everyone knows they're jerks. Actually, they'd have to significantly evolve to rise to the level of jerk.

As a variation on the train question, I heard a similar question: if a dog and a human were both drowning, which one would you save? The best answer someone gave was "Well, that depends." "Depends on what?" asked one of the people who expected the answer to, obviously, be the human. "Depends on if the dog pulled its family out of a burning house and if the human was a child molester. In that case, I'm going for the DOG."

Stay away from train tracks, guys - because if there's a choice, it ain't gonna be either of you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:42 pm
George Costanza from Seinfeld says:
@BadSanta - The jerk store called, they're running out of you.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:44 pm
Biff Champion from Brooklyn Heights says:
"Depends on if the dog pulled its family out of a burning house and if the human was a child molester. In that case, I'm going for the DOG."

The problem with this is that, by the time one was able to gather this information, both the dog and the human would have drowned.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:45 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
OMG it's just zinger after zinger today. Not only do I have a small dick and mommy issues, I'm a TURD SANDWICH. This is the worst news ever. I'm crying at my desk right now.

j/k, j/k, BadSanta you're an ignorant ——.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:47 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
It's kind of weird how they decide to censor posts. Like I can't call BadSanta a —— or a —— or a —— or a twat but I can say bullshit.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:49 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh wait!!!! I can say twat!!!! This is such a breakthrough.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:49 pm
Grey Goose Vodka from France says:
I'm gonna beat the crap outta the next guy who threatens one of those geese.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:56 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
No, it's easy to tell the child molester - that would be TurdSandwich lechacal and his 5 year old.

DoucheBag Dave is the wife beater.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:58 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
George Costanza -

Guess they ran out of F**kwads like you first.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:59 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Lechacal -

Guess you can SAY twat but you can't GET any.

Unless its from your daughter.

Dave - you still beating your wife?
Nov. 16, 2010, 6 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Wow, BadSanta, you just got 100% more gross than I could ever be. Yuck. Really, you don't like what I say about killing geese in prospect park so you say I'm a child molester? I call people stupid when they're being stupid (which is 99% of humans 99% of the time), I tell people their ideas suck when their ideas suck, but you - your retort to someone who disagrees with you is that they are a child molester? That's just sickening, and it says volumes about you and nothing about me.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:08 pm
The Dude from The Hood says:
Awesome! I'm so happy 'twat', as a most apt adjective in some cases, is making a revival, and has yet to be censored!
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:09 pm
Mother Goose from Nursery Rhymes says:
Bad Santa, GO TO YOUR ROOM.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:12 pm
Hoo, boy from Heights says:
lechacal from park slope says: 'Hobbes was right.'

Feh. Based on some EZ quote you ran across that says 'people suck'?

Guess you missed H's endorsement of monarchy or one-man rule; arbitrary action by, and mandatory submission to, the sovereign; need for censorship; and tips on running a 'Christian' commonwealth.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:46 pm
Jons from The hood says:
The first BrStnr "wilding" of the Brooklyn Paper "mommy" diaries had some comedy and substance. This one sounds mostly sophomoric and in bad taste. Not good for the rep of the BrStnr blog from which these intrusive commenters come. The Brooklyn Paper may continue to support the fun if like previous hi-jacking, but don't see how it could want this stuff.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:48 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Jons.... oh gosh.... the Brownstoner rep is going to suffer? I don't know how I'm going to show my face in public.

Hoo, boy - yes, exactly. Hobbes would be appalled by the idea of the sovereign having to ask the likes of the goose lovers on this board for permission to gas the geese. Democracy is pointless when people are as stupid as the average reader of the Brooklyn Paper.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:04 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
God forbid the geese do develop a nuclear weapon. Then there really will be hell to pay.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:19 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
RESPONSES TO THIS GARBAGE

PattyA from Manhattan says:
Ten ways that the geese could claim to be "superior" to humans:

1-- They can navigate around the world without a GPS system.

WE INVENTED A MUCH BETTER GPS SYSTEM. YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HUMANS DOMINATING OUR ENVIRONMENT RATHER THAN VICE VERSA.

2-- They can fly without a machine.

WE INVENTED MUCH BETTER FLYING MACHINES. SEE PREVIOUS POINT.

3-- They mate for life and don't have 50% divorce rate.

AND YET BASIC ARITHMETIC CONTINUES TO ELUDE THEM.

4-- They don't abuse or molest their kids; They don't start wars and murder their own kind.

HOW THE —— DO YOU KNOW?

5-- They are extremely protective, vigilant and adaptive. They have managed to survive and even thrive in the face of endless human attempts to destroy their habitat, hunt them to extinction, oil their eggs and even gas them.

SO AM I, AND SO HAVE MY ANCESTORS (EXCEPT FOR THE EGGS AND THE GASSING).

6--They are better swimmers than most people and cuter.

SO WERE THE GREMLINS. AND HOW DID THAT END???? HMMMM????

7-- They can hold their breaths longer than humans can.

AND YET THEY HAVE FAILED TO INVENT SCUBA.

8--They are great forcasters of weather and they don't need "Doplar radar."

IT'S "DOPPLER." YOUR COMMENTS REMIND ME OF THE "DOPELER EFFECT" -- THE TENDENCY OF STUPID IDEAS TO SEEM SMART WHEN THEY COME AT YOU VERY FAST.

9-- Their intelligence, protectiveness and alertness often provides a sense of security for other birds and even invites other birds to "tag along" with them.

AWESOME. NEXT TIME I PARTY, I'M GONNA PARTY WITH A GOOSE.

10-- Canada geese don't build nuclear bombs.

WHICH COMPLETELY PROVES MY POINT.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:40 pm
Ergo from Bay Ridge says:
Jons is right.
and lechical, when you kill time spewing 50-60 odd manic wacko tasteless BS posts in a day and keep coming back and back to it obsessively, you look like a flaming sophomoric a**-hat.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:02 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Ergo - How many different names have you posted under so far today?

I've just used one. I always just use one.

I'm guessing you're a good 5 or 10 people in today's discussion.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:07 pm
Ergo from Bay Ridge says:
wrong, jackal. unlike you, i'm busy.
i'm also older than 12 ... so if i *did* have that kind of free time, i wouldn't spend it acting like a jerk on one site and snickering about it on another.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:19 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Wow, BadSanta, you just got 100% more gross than I could ever be. Yuck. Really, you don't like what I say about killing geese in prospect park so you say I'm a child molester? I call people stupid when they're being stupid (which is 99% of humans 99% of the time), I tell people their ideas suck when their ideas suck, but you - your retort to someone who disagrees with you is that they are a child molester? That's just sickening, and it says volumes about you and nothing about me.

No, lechacal, actually, it does say volumes about you. I guess you are so detestable so much of the time it doesn't even dawn on you how miserable you are.

I wrote that deliberately just to see what it would take to get you to pull your head out of your ass already. It shows how much it takes to get to you, you're that thick. And what do you do? You pull your head out of your ass and say, Huh? Not about ME,and stuff your head back up your ass again.

You have spent pretty much the entire day being as obnoxious and hypocritical as a human being could be, insulting every single person here, no matter how innocent their comment was or how valid their points. You are totally rude and dismissive of any view but your own. And it's a pretty weak view at that. If you are the model for the human species that is superior to any animal, we're all doomed. A roach is more superior than you.

No, it takes insulting you as a child molester to get you to realize that THAT is how obnoxious you have been to everyone else here. You called every single person here vicious names because they simply disagreed with you, but you didn't like it when someone pushed back on you. If I offended you, GOOD. Now you know how it feels. But you still don't really get it. You didn't even get that angry about being called a child molester - you got angrier over the simplest things people said here.

Anyone who's got nothing better to do than sit here ALL DAY and spew hate, nastiness and unbelievably juvenile sarcasm is ——whipped, unemployed, mentally warped or probably all of the above, and aticking time bomb to boot.
You are one f**ked up piece of work and a perfect argument in favor of abortion.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:23 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Don't try to slither out of it BadSanta. You said the most loathsome thing that has been said here all day. It was really gross.

I'd wager you're another few of today's posters. I would guess there were maybe 3 or 4 people playing the part of the rabid animal lovers all day.

I'm also confident that the number of people who found the taunting of the animal rights loony fringe to be quite funny far exceeds the people who were actually offended by anything I said today (you're very much on your own about what you said).

Anyways, I can only post here when I'm on long conference calls, and they've come to an end. Time to do some real work now.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:31 pm
Love_all_animals from Bayside says:
Sad that we humans-- a species teetering between benign ignorance and virulent hatred-- is overpopulating the planet and killing every other species in its wake. Not to satiate hunger, but out of pride and a sense of innate superiority.

It never occurs to us to curb OURSELVES because WE ARE encroaching. We're always quick to blame and slaughter.

Truly horrifying.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:43 pm
Ergo from Bay Ridge says:
stuff the obnoxia, jackal.
and pay more attention to clients.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:52 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Oh BULLSHIT, lechacal.

You're on that imaginary conference call AGAIN? Oh, you must mean the voices in your head are calling you.
Real work now, huh? You make much driving that taxi?

You know, I bet YOU are the one posting under various names here - probably arguing both sides. You're nuts enough to have multiple personalities.

I may have said ONE loathesome thing - TO a loathesome thing (shrug). Oh well. I noticed all the people who jumped to your defense. For all I know, I could have even hit on the truth. Nothing seems to be sacred to you. Whereas EVERYTHING that has come from you today has been loathesome.

I'm confident that the number of people who find you repulsive in the extreme far exceeds the people who were actually amused by your mindless ranting.

If you're finished and truly going to work (snicker) - good. Now wipe yourself.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:36 pm
Jons from The hood says:
I was not referring to lechacal in my comment. He seems like a good guy arguing for arguments sake.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:47 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Jons ~

He's a f**g PUTZ. Have you somehow missed the volume of comments from the very beginning of this, with him insulting everyone?

What kind of person has this much time all day to do this? Who even wants to? Only a very sick M-F, THAT's who.

This is NOT a good guy arguing for arguments sake. This is one major wack job. A good guy does SOMETHING to make the world a better place.

The only way lechacal could do that would be to have a massive heart attack.

Outta here.
Nov. 17, 2010, 12:06 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Finishing up work, checking back in....

Wow, I'm flattered! BadSanta is really threatened by me. Threatened enough to stay up late into the night responding to any post that seems to agree with me in any way.

BadSanta: Come clean man. You have a big gay crush on me, don't you.
Nov. 17, 2010, 12:59 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
10-- Canada geese don't build nuclear bombs.

WHICH COMPLETELY PROVES MY POINT.

Great, Lechacal. We finally agree. And when the time comes for a nuclear bomb to actually go off, you will volunteer to be right under it, yes?
Nov. 17, 2010, 8:20 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
I thank lechacal for bringing this important discussion to my attention. it was clear that both he and I and a few others as well, had an enormous amount of fun at the expense of these self importnt people who care more for geese than they do for human lives.

it was fun winding them up and it was so predictable that they'd take the bait, Santa being the last and most psychotically furvor of the bunch.

I suspect they are all still ranting about this to friends and family and being general annoyances to anyone within earshot. I'm glad we were able to ruin more than just their immediate days!!!!
Nov. 17, 2010, 8:43 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
I also want to thank the Brooklyn Paper for hosting this important discussion and especially for having the right sense of humour to allow it to continue.

Brooklyn heights Blog could learn a few things here and gain some clicks and posts!!!!!
Nov. 17, 2010, 8:45 am
lechacal from park slope says:
PattyA from Manhattan says:

"Great, Lechacal. We finally agree. And when the time comes for a nuclear bomb to actually go off, you will volunteer to be right under it, yes?"

Yeah, duh. If it's nuke time I want to be vaporized instantly instead of barfing blood for two weeks before dying.

Are you volunteering to make sure all the little goose diaphrams are properly fitted?
Nov. 17, 2010, 9:43 am
lechacal from park slope says:
And don't kid yourself PattyA. If geese had opposable thumbs they would build a nuke in a New York minute. Don't think they're not thinking about it. You think the miracle on the hudson plane crash was an accident? Those geese probably trained for months. Frankly, the USDA should pass this little op off to Homeland Security or a CIA wet team.
Nov. 17, 2010, 10 am
Moshe Aron Kestenbaum from Williamsburg ODA says:
If I could put together a quorum ( a minyan ) to assemble in the park I will say a Kadish
for the poor geeses
Nov. 17, 2010, 10:46 am
sandy from brooklyn says:
Good morning to all. Thought I would take a quick look and see how this ended. So sad to see that dave and lechacal are still going at it. All that time and energy wasted. And for what? A few laughs. Truely not worth it. Unless of course this is your job and you're getting paid for it. Even so, negative energy only comes back at you ten fold. As you walk down NYC streets, take notice of how people look at you, talk to you, react to you. Don't be surprised if you find yourself alone.

sandy
Nov. 17, 2010, 10:53 am
The What from The Beach says:
Sandy, sandy, sandy...why have so much sand in the vajayay???

No one cares what you have to say. It's all very negative and you're just projecting.

**Someday this war is gonna end**
Nov. 17, 2010, 11:06 am
Linda from Brooklyn says:

Brava Sandy!
Beautifully said. One can only take pity on these pour souls.

I actually feel bad for them that they cannot see the beauty in life nor feel empathy for creatures other than themselves.
Nov. 17, 2010, 11:22 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
"I actually feel bad for them that they cannot see the beauty in life nor feel empathy for creatures other than themselves."

I hear "Scarborough Fair" or some other Mommas & Papas songs playing in the background.

Get real, these geese are a menace to civilization. they are a population out of control. Youi'd be singing another liberal tune if they were crapping all over your front yard.
Nov. 17, 2010, 11:50 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Dave, don't forget the reek of incense and patchouli, a few crystals, and some wind chimes.
Nov. 17, 2010, 12:30 pm
JeromeA from B'hurst says:
Dave from Bed Stuy, you got a no-life problem? No one listens to you IRL? POd and playing kick-the-cat?
I just got here but from looks of it youve been here for the past day. _Such_ smart stuff you posted, like calling people tards and telling some woman to use a cucumber, yapping about bike lanes (?) twin towers (??) and Kitty Genovese (???) and "the poor just want 9mm handguns to shoot at each other" (????) and the birds are Obama administrations fault (?????) and doing that sick "first I came for the rats" parody.
If you think this s--t is clever and persuasive, youre dumb as hell as well as sick and twisted.

Nov. 17, 2010, 1:38 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Glad you have something to add jerome. Fool.
Nov. 17, 2010, 1:41 pm
JeromeA from B'hurst says:
Oh, looks like this "lechacal" lives here too. Another busy, productive, self-actualized guy who spends alleged workday on BP.
Nov. 17, 2010, 1:45 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
hahahaha awesome work Dave - you should post JeromeA's 1:38 pm dipshitathon on your greatest hits wall.

Jerome: Why don't you run outside and play hide and go fu@k yourself.
Nov. 17, 2010, 1:58 pm
Jerry Garcia from Heaven says:
No one named Jerome would ever use that as their name.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:01 pm
CrwnhgtsNow from Crown Heights says:
I see I am late to the conversation but let me just say this- the first post was over the top offensive. As someone who lost family in the Holocaust, I found the comparison truly appalling, and inappropriate. I could point out all the reasons it's wrong but you should be able to figure it out for yourselves.

As for the geese- there are a few realities here that can't be worked around. Before anyone makes accusations- I am an animal lover. I rescue cats, i contribute to animal advocacy organizations and I hate what humans are doing to wildlife. But geese and airports do not mix. Either way, the geese end up dead, and people as well. I don't know the logistics of moving the geese into new habitats, but I am assuming there are reasons it can't be done. So if anyone can come up with a humane way to deal with the problem, I'd love to hear it.

But comparing the gassing of geese to protect planes and people to the extermination of Jews is an insult.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:13 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
I am really in favor of eliminating these aggressive little —— factories from the public parks as pests and a danger to the public. However, why not figure out a way to eat them? I have the same opinion about the wild turkeys terrorizing South Beach Staten Island residents around South Beach Hospital. Of course turkeys can't fly high enough to get stuck in plane engines but they run after sick people in the Parking lot of the hospital and are causing mayhem. Who's in charge here? I sense fowl play.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:16 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Pascqualine (another asinine name, but I digress), I mentioned that far, far up above. Many states are killing these geese and sending the meats to the pantries for the poor.

Our own Dept of health has failed to rule on this for whatever asinine beauracratic reason.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:20 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
I like Pascqualine's idea. Dave, I'm going to give her credit rather than you.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:26 pm
pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
Thank you Dave. My mother was harangued by the nurses that I would be scarred for life but my father insisted she have her way and Pascqualine it is. Some people know me as Nancy. But I digress. Why not have a community goose roast?
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:28 pm
Pascqualine from Port Greene says:
And thank YOU lechacal. Geese are very aggressive, mean even and run after people and small children. "NO, NO, NO don't touch the goose", then the goose bites the kid and of course the excrement EVERYWHERE. It is a menace, a menace.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:32 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Pascqualine in Ft. Greene does rhyme nicely.

I think a goose roast would be great. We could set up the Webers right along the shore of the lake in the Park, play hackey sack all afternoon, drinking PBRs and making fun of the goose lovers, who in reality would feel left out.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:35 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh BTW Dave and Pasqualine, I can't do lunch Friday. I'm taking a client out to lunch. Make sure to tell me where you go so I can avoid you all.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:36 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Is it an Italian name or a Spanish name? Is there a Saint Pascqualine???

I have a Mexican friend named Fulgencio and we did find a Saint Fulgencio.

I'm glad to see someone level headed join in on the discussion and apologize for my original remark about the name. i should have added the :)
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:38 pm
Lucy Goosey from A Shoe (Bless You) says:
lechacal's passion is turning me on.
lechacal, what does a woman have to do to be your client?
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:40 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
"lechacal, what does a woman have to do to be your client?"

Bend over for starters.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:42 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
lechacal, I may not be at the club for lunch on Friday, either.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:43 pm
Lucy Goosey from A Shoe (Bless You) says:
- Bend over for starters.

Would that not make him MY client?
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:43 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
It's Italian. The wimpy Italians call Patricia, Patrizia but the real ones call her Pascqualine.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:47 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
Well, for a woman to be Lechacal's client, you would have to start with goosing him!!!
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:50 pm
Tony from PS says:
To lechacal:

Please just shut the F--U--C--K_UP!

You are a disgrace to the human race.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:51 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Awesome comeback, Tony. Yet another scintillating intellect on the side of the animal lovers.

I argue with smart people for work. Arguing with dumb people here is just recreational.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:54 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Tony, badda bing.

Come in off the street in that bathrobe.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:54 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
I love animals, but most of the ones I know are nicely groomed and toilet trained.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:55 pm
Lucy Goosey from A Shoe (Bless You) says:
I bet Tony looks sexy in his wife beater and boxers.

[wink]
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:57 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
Ergo and Jon,

Re Lechachal, Sophomoric to be sure, not to mention puerile, jeujune, and juvenile. That doesn't make him a bad person. That doesn't make him WRONG.
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:59 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Forget it Lucy. You really want to live with all those marble statues in the yard????
Nov. 17, 2010, 2:59 pm
lachacal from park slope says:
Pasqualine, I'm rather chary of your attitude right now.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:03 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
I don't give a good honk, Lechacal.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:08 pm
Lovenia from BoCoCa says:
Honk Honk.

So who's goose got cooked?
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:09 pm
trustafarian from wb says:
old people fight over the stupidest things!!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:12 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Somebody's gonna get their feathers all ruffled with that BoCoCa reference
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:14 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Does anyone actually know when/where the Community Board meeting is about this??? I think it'd be real entertainment if we pre-gamed at some bar and then went to it.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:16 pm
Lovenia from BoCoCa says:
Dave, Feathers are past being ruffled here. I'm thinking there is going to be some good plucking!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:16 pm
SageAdvice from Ratnerville says:
this Tea Party anti-gov't nonsense has to stop immediately. Federal gov't must get involved and rid our public property and public airspaces of these dangers.
You all want lots of geese and wildlife? Move to Canada. Or better yet, Wasilla Alaska.

What are you waiting for? - need to have few hundred people killed in a plane crash. Need to have e-coli breakout in your local nursery school?
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:16 pm
Marty Markowitz from Brooklyn says:
I bet I could eat five or six of these things.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:18 pm
Lovenia from BoCoCa says:
Sage, We don't have thyme for this discussion. Basilly, it's a trinity of topics that have nothing to add to this pot.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:19 pm
Charlie Rangel from Harlem says:
I think my goose is cooked too.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:20 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"Dave from Bed Stuy says: Does anyone actually know when/where the Community Board meeting is about this??? I think it'd be real entertainment if we pre-gamed at some bar and then went to it."

HOLY CRAP DAVE THAT'S AN AWESOME IDEA!!!!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:22 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
What the hell is the community board anyways? Does it have any power or relevance whatsoever or is it just an opportunity for busybody ex-hippies to hear themselves talk about their pet peeves for 3 hours?
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:23 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
lechacal, remember those two busybodies who were ranting about having to live across from Union Hall a few years ago???

Picture them in your mind (I'm sure you saw the photos) and that's what these people will look like
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:25 pm
Sanctimonia Vitriola from Bronx says:
Just showed up to say I am offended and outraged by everything!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:26 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
lechacal from park slope says:
What the hell is the community board anyways? Does it have any power or relevance whatsoever or is it just an opportunity for busybody ex-hippies to hear themselves talk about their pet peeves for 3 hours?

Right. Grey-haired, granola-crunching, vegan, Birkenstock-wearing, bloviating ex-hippies.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:27 pm
Lloyd Blankfein from Goldman Sachs says:
Boy, First Tony Hayward and now the geese. I'm sure as hell glad the spotlight's off of me these days.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:28 pm
GusHall from UnionSquare says:
I'd be proud to live by a Union Hall.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:28 pm
John Lennon from Beyond says:
I think this bird has flown.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:28 pm
Goose Gossage from Colorado Springs says:
Hey good lookin', whatcha got cookin', and how about cookin' something up for meeeee!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:31 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Gus, unions and dirty geese are at the heart of our nation's current problems.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:32 pm
Chris Christie from NJ says:
You sure as hell got that right, Dave
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:32 pm
Sarah Palin from Wasilla says:
Shoot 'em all. Brooklyn wimps. Man up.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:32 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
You guys (and gals) all crack me up.

Like I said over there ---> I'm audi for a few days because I'm getting pretty busy. Have fun doing battle with retarded hippies.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:33 pm
DAve from Bed Stuy says:
Hey Goose Gossage....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrhUZ_MwOQ
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:36 pm
Sanctimonia V. from the Bronx says:
Bashing Birkenstocks is going too far!! My feet hurt and I am seriously considering purchasing some. The shoe salesguy said they support all three arches and every structure of the foot. Oy!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:36 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
Sanctimonia......Re Birkenstocks, better to run after the geese with...gives you better leverage with a shotgun too.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:42 pm
Sanctimonia Vitriola from the Bronx says:
As usual, I am outraged and offended by everything! I am even outraged and offended by people who say they are outraged and offended! Typical!
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:58 pm
Pascqualine from Fort Greene says:
This has been a Wild Goose chase from start to finish.
Nov. 17, 2010, 4:17 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
F**d any more of your kids today, lechacal?

Or did you have time to start on Dave's?

Assuming he doesn't shoot blanks, that is.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:03 pm
CuriousGeorge from Manhattan says:
So how many of your kids DID you manage to screw today, lechacal?

You might even have time to start on Dave's -assuming he doesn't shoot blanks.

Oh wait -you ARE Dave.

She's my sister....
She's my daughter...
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:06 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
You two are the latter day Rowan & Martin of comedy.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:12 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
"BadSanta from Manhattan says:
F**d any more of your kids today, lechacal?
Or did you have time to start on Dave's?
Assuming he doesn't shoot blanks, that is."

There he is folks. The embodiment of the animal rights movement, right there. Take a good look at him, all of you goose lovers -- he's on your team.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:17 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
The REALLY interesting thing about lechacal is, so far he hasn't denied he's a child molester. He just doesn't like to be CALLED one.

My hacker buddy is getting his IP address.

This is REALLY going to be interesting........
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:18 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Thought you were leaving to go to work, lechacal....

guess the voices in your head told you to come back.

Never said I was an animal rights person.

I just don't like YOU.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:20 pm
BadSanta from Manhattan says:
Still underwhelmed at the volume of people jumping in to the defense of le jackass.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:31 pm
CuriousGeorge from Manhattan says:
Yesterday, from the resident genuis here, lechacal:
PLEASE LET ME RESPOND

morgaine, I'm not "somehow" superior to animals, I'm superior in thousands of specific ways. To list just a few:

1. Advanced language skills.
RIGHT - CAN USE THE WORD —— IN 20 DIFFERENT WAYS

2. Capacity to transmit information through means other than genetics and physical mimicry.
BEING UNEMPLOYED AND BITTER PROVIDES ENDLESS
COMPUTER TIME TO WASTE BEING POINTLESS AND ABUSIVE

3. Opposable thumbs.
HARD TO USE YOUR THUMBS EFFECTIVELY WHEN ONE IS UP YOUR ASS, THE OTHER IS IN YOUR MOUTH AND YOU SPEND ALL DAY PLAYING SWITCH

4. Ability to adapt very quickly to new circumstances.
LIKE STAYING ON THE SAME COMMENT BOARD REPEATING THE SAME B-S 300 TIMES, WHILE FAKING MULTIPLE POSTING NAMES

5. Have geese ever developed a nuclear weapon? I didn't think so.
THAT'S WHY THEY WON'T DESTROY THE WORLD AND ——S LIKE YOU WILL. DON'T SEE THAT AS SUPERIORITY.

6. Control over my environment, not vice versa.
TYING UP A COMMENT BOARD ISN'T CONTROL. IT'S IS BEING A PATHETIC L-O-S-E-R DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION

ULTIMATE POINT: ANYONE WHO HAS TO BEAT PEOPLE ON THE HEAD BY HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE AND INSISTING THEM HOW SUPERIOR HE IS....ISN'T.
Nov. 17, 2010, 5:54 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
*yawn*
Nov. 17, 2010, 6:18 pm
Random Walker from Cobble Hill says:
lechacal from park slope says:
There he is folks. The embodiment of the animal rights movement, right there. Take a good look at him, all of you goose lovers -- he's on your team.

Oh, OOPS, lechical -- they'll see your stuff first and far more numerously, in all of its insane quantity and s***y-dirtbag lowlife quality. You, like, shoulda thought about that.
Nov. 17, 2010, 8:18 pm
Caseopele from Crown Heights says:
This is what the "superior" species does with a bigger brain and opposable thumbs? Half of the human beings on this planet are worse than locusts, at least locusts destroy out of necessity not for pleasure. Small minds are consumed with vacuous activities, insulting people with different beliefs and hating geese for not being able to make them a martini. Pathetic.
Nov. 17, 2010, 11:56 pm
Mitchel Cohen from Bensonhurst says:
For me, the issue is not so much about whether homosapiens are more "advanced" evolutionarily than other species but over how our government acts to frame a "problem" and address it.

The only way they can think to address the problem as they define it is through killing.

The reality is the Mayor's office approved the extermination of the geese in Prospect Park because they felt they had to appear to be "doing something" about airplane "strikes" of birds. This is a ruse, just as scapegoating Jews in Germany, or Vietnamese in the 60s, or Immigrants today are used to whip up emotions to serve the agendas of those in power -- not of the same magnitude, obviously (at least to me), but of the same perverse impulse and way of doing things.

We can examine the Mayor's arguments one by one and they fall apart ON THEIR OWN TERMS:

- The geese in Prospect Park are residential, not migrating; they don't fly high enough to interfere with airplanes flying over Prospect Park;

- The officially stated radius in the City's plans for "removal" of the geese population is 7 miles from the airports (up from a 5-mile radius just one year ago), but Prospect Park is more than 9 miles away;

- Airplane strikes of OTHER birds make up the majority of bird-hits. In terms of airplane-strike frequency, Dove and Lark hits far outstrip geese, while Turkey Vultures cause the most damage when hit, with sea gulls and migrating Canadian geese hits less frequent (but more damaging per hit than the smaller birds).

Moral and statistical arguments aside -- and I've intentionally omitted them here, even though they are very important -- it is clear that the Mayor's own arguments for exterminating the Canadian geese population in Prospect Park are bogus.

For more info, check out www.WashingtonSquarePark.wordpress.com

Mitchel Cohen
Brooklyn Greens / Green Party
Nov. 18, 2010, 7:09 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Great contribution, Mitchel. Thanks for bringing some facts to this board.

Recently, in Canada they passed a federal law requiring airliners to fly slower when arriving or departing airports to avoid bird strikes.

But, here we discuss, "How can we get rid of the birds before the feds and FAA show up with their plastic ties, hired thugs and gas chambers?"

How pathetic.
Nov. 18, 2010, 7:45 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
This is why the rest of the country thinks New Yorkers are a bunch of smug elitist a$$holes.

These busy bodies have no one else in their lives except a walk in the park to see a goose. How sweet. Have any of you ever tried to approach one?? LOL

KILL THE DAMN GEESE

I think Curious george and Santa are about the two dumbest individuals I've ever seen post on the internet.
Nov. 18, 2010, 8:45 am
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
Random Walker from Cobble Hill says:

Oh, OOPS, lechical -- they'll see your stuff first and far more numerously, in all of its insane quantity and s***y-dirtbag lowlife quality. You, like, shoulda thought about that.

English as a foreign language, Randy?????
Nov. 18, 2010, 8:50 am
lechacal from park slope says:
I can't really find any fault with Mitchel Cohen's post. It contains facts and arguments and does not make any ridiculous statements like saying that killing geese is like killing jews or that animal life is equal to human life. I'm not prepared to agree with him, but good post.
Nov. 18, 2010, 9:57 am
lechacal from park slope says:
CuriousGeorge and BadSanta are clearly the same person. Exact same writing style, exact same agenda. This person is mentally weak and brings nothing to the table.
Nov. 18, 2010, 10:01 am
lechacal from park slope says:
Caseopele from Crown Heights says: Small minds are consumed with....hating geese for not being able to make them a martini. Pathetic.

"If you can mix me a decent martini I won't put you in the gas chamber."

"But...hoooooonk! it's not fair! I don't...hoooooonk! have any opposable thumbs!"

"Yeah, evolution's a ——. Start mixing."

"hooooooonk!!!! [sweating profusely, dropping shaker repeatedly, trying to pour gin with useless avian limb]
Nov. 18, 2010, 10:21 am
Sanctimonia Vitriola from the Bronx says:
Outrageous!! Insulting! Incendiary! Typical! Racist! Animalist! Anit-animalist! Birdist! Anti-birdist! Disgusting! Boo! :-)
Nov. 18, 2010, 12:58 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
You see, evil can be stopped. We can turn these avian savages into something useful:

http://i51.tinypic.com/25fqc7k.jpg
Nov. 18, 2010, 1:05 pm
dave from Bed Stuy says:
Most of them won't get it, lechacal.
Nov. 18, 2010, 1:16 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Well maybe they'll understand what kind of a threat to aviation these geese really are when they see this:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ur5su1.jpg

Are the goose lovers seriously telling us that flying slower and using special radar would have prevented 9/11?????
Nov. 18, 2010, 1:19 pm
Sanctimonia Vitriola from the Bronx says:
Outrageous!! Would that be the planes flying slower or the birds flying slower? Some good old-fashioned carrier pigeons with information may have helped prevent 9/11, since supposedly the fbi and cia were not in sinc (sp?) with the info re 9/11 plots.

Flying slower may have made it 9/12. Okay, that was awful. My apologies, please forgive.
Nov. 18, 2010, 2:47 pm
Mitchel Cohen from Bensonhurst says:
Hey lechacal,

Picture cracked me up.
Especially the duck (DUCK!), not a goose.

Did they happen to find the duck's passport unsinged on top of a pile of debris a few blocks away? Lucky duck.

Mitchel
Nov. 18, 2010, 3:04 pm
Dave from Bed Stuy says:
I think the ducks would enjoy water boarding. How could we torture them effectively???
Nov. 18, 2010, 3:58 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Oh was that a duck? Well it's what came up when I did a google image search for "evil goose."

Doesn't matter anyways. All birds have evil intent.
Nov. 18, 2010, 5:52 pm
karma from queens says:
why don't you wipe your ass, wiping eyes from brooklyn?
when was the last time any of the animal haters on here helped any one besides themselves?
those who help other species are truly altruistic. the rest are tending to their genes.
There's no excuse for animal abuse. and we as human beings are mammals along the spectrum of animal life on earth. so wake up and realize you are not above the so-called lower animals, despite what your out-dated religious texts proclaim (texts written by men, and containing all their biases)-- but one along the spectrum of life.
i'd save one of those beautiful geese above the hypocritical humans here. If this upsets you, go look in the mirror. and take a long hard look at ugliness.
Nov. 18, 2010, 8:45 pm
Cynthia from Clinton Hill says:
GAWD! lechacal from park slope. People, Lechacal is this Libertarian teabagger with a mission to spread the holy ghost! LMAO!!!!
Nov. 20, 2010, 3:04 am
Artist26 from Coney Island says:
It was a holocaust, i.e. genocide. The implication that somehow as sentient beings we are more important than other sentient beings, simply because we are allegedly more evolved, is ludicrous. Animals are not our belongings, to eradicate as we see fit.

We took animals who can naturally fly, and slaughtered them, for invading "our" airspace? SMH. Sickening.

"You can judge a society by the way it treats its animals" - Gandhi

What was done to these geese were absolutely disgusting. Officials knew it was wrong, which is why they did it like thieves in the night. It breaks my heart knowing what those poor, innocent geese suffered.
May 16, 2011, 4:25 pm

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