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Ted Mann says his South Slope beer garden will be massive and inviting

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A large outdoor beer hall and concert space is being built in the South Slope — and neighbors in the quiet, semi-industrial area are worried about a roaring frat party.

Greenwood Park — a 700-seat bar and restaurant that’s nearly the size of three pro basketball courts — will open on Seventh Avenue at 19th Street with 40 draft beers, bonfires and live music.

“Think ‘restaurant-bar meets park,’ ” said co-owner Ted Mann, who envisions a huge landscaped yard with trees, picnic tables and a bandshell. “I hope it gets visited in the daytime as much Prospect Park.”

But it’s that type of potential draw — and its appeal as a big daytime drinking destination — that makes some neighbors nervous.

“OK, you’re in an industrial space — but it’s also residential and right across from the MS 88 middle school,” said Aaron Brashear of Concerned Citizens of Greenwood Heights, who is concerned partly because Mann has not spoken to residents next door or Community Board 7. “The question is: Will he be a good neighbor?”

Residents first caught wind of the mammoth facility two weeks ago after a team of graffiti artists painted a 90-foot mural at the site, where a gas station once stood.

A contractor then described the bar as “a beer garden,” but Mann — who learned earlier this year that he is the biological son of gun-slinging, Obama-hating, Detroit power rocker Ted Nugent — said his vision is more like a mammoth garden patio park with beer and grub.

Mann recently spent some time shooting guns and cooking elk on his DNA dad’s Texas ranch — but he has much stronger Brooklyn roots: He owns Cubana Social in Williamsburg, No Name Bar in Greenpoint and Gold Coast deli in Bay Ridge.

His new venue will have a 3,000-square-foot indoor space for cold-weather months — about one-third the size of the outdoor area — and will cater to “everyone: strollers, mommies, dads, 20, 30, 40 and 50-somethings,” he said.

Mann’s plan is to create a picnic-like ambiance — like a more sprawling Gowanus Yacht Club — and serve American craft beer, fish tacos, baby back ribs and fancy hot dogs.

But the most-controversial item on the menu is live music “until 9 or 10 pm.”

If recent history is any indication, pulling the plug on the tunes before 11 could help Mann avoid some friction with neighbors. In a similar case of pre-opening compromise, the owners of Prime 6, a Flatbush Avenue sports bar near the under-construction Barclays Center, eventually eased some concerns by announcing that music wouldn’t continue into the wee hours.

Mann — who has teamed up with Larry Hyland, the owner of Bar Matchless, a concert hall in Greenpoint — said he knows how to communicate with neighbors and plans to abide by nightlife rules when the time comes.

“I’m still trying to get the plumbing done,” he said. “So [community] meetings are a little premature.”

That’s fine by Joe Guerrieri, who owns Joe’s Auto Glass across the street and said he’s happy that the vacant lot will be filled with something lively.

“I’ll swing by for a pint,” he said. “Our customers are gonna like it.”

Updated 12:27 am, August 31, 2011: Includes more on the Mann-Nugent connection (because it's cool).
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Hugo from Rikers Island says:
19th & 7th Ave is dead. Literally its next to a cemetary.
A little music isnt gonna hurt.
The owner says music will stop by 9 or 10.

Yeah right
Aug. 29, 2011, 12:45 am
Aaron Brashear from Greenwood Heights says:
Thanks to the Brooklyn Paper for continuing to attempt to update the community on what may or may not be opening this fall at Greenwood Park.

I do have to disagree with Mr. Mann and his partners on one point:

“I’m still trying to get the plumbing done,” he said. “So [community] meetings are a little premature.”

In my book, this seems the perfect time to address any community concerns. It is not as if his soon-to-be neighbors want to see their business plan. They just want some basic questions answered and any concerns they have in advance.

"...he knows how to communicate with neighbors and plans to abide by nightlife rules when the time comes."

Spending less time telling papers like this one and other blogs and perhaps calling Brooklyn Community Board 7 seems a more likely way to "communicate with neighbors" than not.

Mr. Mann, your neighbors ask you to sit down with us and discuss Greenwood Park. You may end up with your biggest advocates for your new business venture, even before that plumbing is finished.

Aaron Brashear
Co-founder, The Concerned Citizens of Greenwood Heights and Greenwood Park neighbor
Aug. 29, 2011, 10:29 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
If an entrepreneur wanted to donate a park with 4 trees that cured cancer, organizations like the "Concerned Citizens" would object to it.

Remember how "Concerned Citizens" didn't want Ikea to come to Red Hook? It would bring in "traffic" and "Polllooooootion" to that pristine neighborhood.

Unless the "concerned citizens" are providing capital into this mans business they should but out. He owes you nothing. That's what zoning laws and the SLA are for.

"Concerned Citizens" are busybodies and obstructionists.
Aug. 29, 2011, 12:01 pm
StevenRosenberg from ParkSlope says:
Mayor Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo, and the entire media are drama queen idiots; Category 6 idiots.
Aug. 29, 2011, 12:14 pm
Adam from Ps says:
Aaron ,why anyone should discuss anything with you.This is a privet business not a kibbutz
Aug. 29, 2011, 8:45 pm
Maya from Greenwood Heights says:
I grew up in this neighborhood and we never had anything. No coffee shops, no bars, no cute restaurants. It sucked. I always had to trek into either slope or ridge for any of those things (I'm 28).

I am so happy to see the new small business' and developments coming up! I am excited for how the neighborhood has been thriving.

I think this beer garden is a GREAT idea and I'll be one of the first people there celebrating.

Maya in Brooklyn
Aug. 29, 2011, 10:07 pm
GS from Park Slope says:
Adam, its going to be a bar! They're not selling privets!
Aug. 30, 2011, 9:49 am
mw from PS says:
Aaron - i'm a neighbor on 15th st, and really really want this place to open. ease off on the buzzkill.
Aug. 30, 2011, 10:01 am
pil from South Slope says:
while i like the idea of the beer garden and am keen to see this open, i'm not sure i trust Mann - "Mann has not spoken to residents next door or Community Board 7" versus "he knows how to communicate with neighbors". if he knows how to communicate...
Aug. 30, 2011, 4:22 pm
N from SoSlo says:
The idea of sitting and eating & drinking in this spot with 700 other people huffing expressway and Armorall fumes with nothing to look at but Vegas Auto Spa is surreal.

Pity the poor souls who actually do live across the street from here. They'll have to deal with the constant nocturnal din of the largest gathering of sauced bohemians south of Atlantic Ave. Every night. All year long. Forever.

Even worse, there are nightly AA meetings held in a building about 100 feet from this place. Kicking the bottle is hard enough without having to stare at or listen to Octoberfest before and after every meeting. I’m sure they’ll appreciate this.

I also love the addition of an extra 200 cars trying to park here on alt. side nights. And the baby strollers, soccer hooligans, Williamsburg castoffs, Ferrell’s castoffs, MGMT songs on the PA and awful cover bands sweating all over the stage.

Can we have an Olive Garden instead?
Aug. 30, 2011, 4:42 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
N

Olive Garden?

Maybe the Franchise Fairies will grant you one!
Aug. 30, 2011, 5 pm
Aaron Brashear from Greenwood heights says:
"Even worse, there are nightly AA meetings held in a building about 100 feet from this place."

I completely forgot about that one. Add it to the list.

Listen, Mann and his partners have every right to open their biz, period (which i mentioned to this writer, but was not printed.

It just would seem prudent to vett the ins-and-outs of the new biz, serving 700 folks (!) before you open your doors. Parking, hours of operation, how to deal with noise, late night overflow into the side streets, etc.

Mann should not (and will not) ask for permission, it's just a quick Q&A with the neighborhood.

I do not believe it it too much to ask. It has been done before, GPH in April.

I do not think the community, even the fact it may be a great addition, is asking too much to ask a few questions. he took time out of his plumbing schedule to talk to this paper and a few blogs, why not take the same 15 mins to meet at CB7 with the community?

I guess I'm crazy for wanting to have a chat with my new, very large, neighbor.
Aug. 30, 2011, 5:14 pm
Briana from Greenwood Heights says:
I am pretty excited for this place to open. Some fantastic little places have opened over the last few years in our relatively dead neighborhood, but there are few outdoor spaces where one can eat and drink. If Mann can beautify the block and stimulate the local economy, I'm all for it. Anything is better than the current eyesore. Even if it is huge, I don't think it will be overrun by drunken hipsters from the North- I don't know anyone from outside the neighborhood who willingly comes to Greenwood Heights to hang out. I think Mann will work with the neighbors once he figures out exactly what his plans are- he'll want our business, after all.
Aug. 30, 2011, 6:14 pm
Chris from Fort Greene says:
This is very big news. There is another beer garden of the same size (or maybe bigger) opening on 4th Avenue below Park Slope this fall as well, from the guy who brought us Der Schwartz Kolner. I hope there is enough demand for all this good beer! You can follow this emerging trend at http://www.privatetap.com, the new home for everything local in the Brooklyn/NYC craft beer scene.
Sept. 12, 2011, 9:36 am
Kdub from Ditmas Park says:
Great idea! I anticipate stumbling home from this place many a night.
Oct. 11, 2011, 11:44 am
Anon from Nearby says:
It will take a drunk chick getting raped by the cemetery before intelligent minds come together to realize that a 8000 foot beer garden with live music open till god knows when next to a highway, a bunch of schools, in a residential neighborhood, next to an AA meeting place is a bad idea...I feel bad for whoever that drunk chick will inevitably be..
April 30, 2012, 5:08 pm
Rae from Windsor Terrace says:
Part of being in AA is learning to deal with the presence of alcohol in the world without falling off the wagon. That is a lame lame lame argument against this place. There are AA meetings all over the city, and I don't think they're planned around where bars may or may not be in operation.

And hey, Anon from nearby, maybe the presence of more people socializing in the area might even make it safer. Kinda like how when Double Windsor opened, the creepy eye-rapers from Farrell's seemed a little less scary when I was walking home from the train.
May 5, 2012, 8:36 pm
Rae from Windsor Terrace says:
Part of being in AA is learning to deal with the presence of alcohol in the world without falling off the wagon. That is a lame lame lame argument against this place. There are AA meetings all over the city, and I don't think they're planned around where bars may or may not be in operation.

And hey, Anon from nearby, maybe the presence of more people socializing in the area might even make it safer. Kinda like how when Double Windsor opened, the creepy eye-rapers from Farrell's seemed a little less scary when I was walking home from the train.
May 5, 2012, 8:36 pm

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