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The Manhattan power couple behind a controversial plan to open a charter school in Williamsburg is hoping to launch two more charter schools in North Brooklyn.

Eric Grannis — whose wife, former Councilwoman Eva Moskowitz, is behind the proposed Success Academy Williamsburg — helped spearhead the effort to open two branches of the Los Angeles-based charter chain Citizens of the World Charter Schools in Williamsburg and Greenpoint next fall.

Grannis, who rallied parents to apply for state permission to open the school, believes Williamsburg could use more socioeconomically diverse education options — and he claims his two proposed elementary schools fit the bill.

“I think it’s a good idea for charter schools to intentionally try to get more integration both racially and economically,” said Grannis, who has sought support for his plan from neighborhood parents through his charter school-backing organization The Tapestry Project. “North Brooklyn is an area where this is very possible.”

Each Citizens of the World school would serve between 120 and 160 students in kindergarten and first grade beginning in 2013, and grow to house between 360 and 480 students from kindergarten to fifth grade by 2017, according to documents obtained through a Freedom of Information request.

The charter network has not proposed specific locations, but claimed it would “involve the local community” to help secure space for its schools, according to a letter sent with its charter application to the SUNY Charter Schools Institute.

But some Williamsburg parents claim the new charter schools will not be racially or economically diverse since Grannis’s outreach has primarily occurred in the neighborhood’s more affluent Northside, according to the documents.

“We do not want public funds diverted to private hands to benefit the few, the white, the affluent — which is exactly the aim of Grannis’s two schools,” said parent Cynthia Walker. “That is obvious from their outreach.”

The applications come amid protests against his wife’s proposal to open a publicly funded, independently run charter housing 200 students inside the Southside’s struggling MS 50 on S. Third Street this fall.

Moskowitz, who already opened a Success Academy in Bedford Stuyvesant and plans to open another one in Cobble Hill, said Williamsburg is a “phenomenal community” and her school would serve “a wide range of ethnicities.”

But opponents of the charter plan including hundreds of parents, students, teachers, and community leaders rallied outside MS 50 during a hearing on the co-location last weekt, claiming her proposed school is targeting children in the gentrifying Northside rather than English language learners in the Southside.

“This is not the school we need and not the school our community has asked for,” said Councilwoman Diana Reyna (D–Williamsburg).

Public school parents, who fear the charter could lead to the middle school’s demise, clashed with Success Academy supporters, many of whom traveled to the hearing on school buses from a Success location in Harlem.

Southside leaders privately confided that if Moskowitz opened her Success Academy in a school building on the neighborhood’s Northside and reached out more to Latino parents over the past year, they would more likely welcome the school to the community.

Moskowitz said the city chose the S. Third Street site because it had the space to accommodate a new school.

“If folks want another school, we could talk about that,” said Moskowitz. “Whenever I propose a charter school in a community, the community says they would be happy to have us somewhere else. There’s a fear of change and any new way of delivering education makes people nervous.”

A Department of Education panel will vote on the application on March 1.

And if the panel approves the bid, Williamsburg residents vowed to fight the city to reverse course.

“There’s no such thing as a done deal,” said Frances Lucerna of El Puente, a Williamsburg arts group that offers programs at MS 50. “Shame on the Department of Education for creating a divisive situation of parent against parent and student against student. We need to expand and enrich MS 50.”

Reach reporter Aaron Short at ashort@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2547.

Updated 10:59 am, March 5, 2012: Story updated to correct and clarify Eric Grannis's involvement in the proposed school.
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Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
Simply pathetic that either the climate at Brooklyn Paper -or the limitations of Aaron Short's understanding- have lead to such a weak and misleading article.

How generous of you to personalize Eric Grannis and Eva Moskowitz, while showing absolutely NO consciousness as to the root of the opposition.

A $1.6 million marketing campaign is not assembled in order to give parents a "choice." Busing in parents to manufacture support, massive police presence, and the outrageously biased media response are not tools of a democratic debate.

These Charter School Networks are looking to place themselves in the public education funding stream and will assure good test scores so as to promote their brand as superior to typical public education. Meanwhile the Dept of Education has been unresponsive, insensitive and dictatorial, leaving school communities to struggle against increasing challenges. Public school failure is the Dept of Education's failure. Inserting charter schools- with all their hedge-funded bells and whistles, lotteries, "parent contracts," marching students back & forth silently in the hallway after a a 10 hour day of school- and counseling out those who can not perform to proficiency- is not a solution for our children, it is positioning these companies for a takeover of our public education budget, an abdication of responsibility of the the Dept of Education, and a threat to our democracy.

When people who actually have skin in the game tell the story, perhaps the true picture will come through. Meanwhile we will have to endure smarmy "reporting" by fearful "journalists" who are owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:50 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Copied from the NY Times SchoolBook Blog post, "Huge Turnout Over New Williamsburg Charter School" [http://www.nytimes.com/schoolbook/2012/02/17/huge-turnout-over-new-williamsburg-charter-school/]

"[Mr. Henry Mazurek and Ms. Paula Notari] AND ONLY ONE OTHER PARENT COMPRISED SUPPORTERS FOR THE SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER WHO WERE ACTUALLY COMMUNITY RESIDENTS [excuse my caps for emphasis]. Everyone else who fills the mise-en-scene in this atrocious piece of reporting...were imported in from the Harlem academy so as to realize a most ugly tactic and display in pitting parents from different but typically allied communities against each other. The racial tone was explicit and shameless. And whereas El Puente and various other community leaders went out of their way to extend warm greetings and hospitality towards her Harlem guests, the stage had been set by Ms. Moskowitz's handlers to approach the mic and return those hospitable invitations with vituperation and bombast--NOT ANY REASONED DISCUSSION ON WHY THE SUCCESS ACADEMY SHOULD WARRANT THE RIGHT TO INVADE AND DISPLACE A PREVIOUS SCHOOL AND POPULATION UNDER THE PRETENSE OF "CHOICE."

If there is anything status quo going on here it is gentrification, and gentrification is about displacement. Success Academy's invasion of JHS 50 to displace the previous educational institution, its personnel and its young charges IS IN FACT THE STATUS QUO THAT [Brooklyn Paper, NY Times, Success Academy advocates et al ARE] SEIZING INTO [THEIR] ORWELLIAN DIALECT. Everything [they say] about 'change' and 'energy' and 'innovation' and, of course, EDUCATION, is all meant as bromide positioned in such a way that to respond...gives one the impression that opponents of the Success Academy Charter are opposed to such things. Indeed, STATUS QUO is Success Academy opponents advocating for fair share budgets and resources only to work under radical depletion, while having some outside ignorant entities coming in with their snapshot observations and saying, "Look, there's no copy paper for the copies, hence, these teachers need to go! Down with the status quo! Ra ra ra!"

Speaking further to the type of tactics engaged in by Mr. Mazurek and Success Academy peers: I personally stood by the microphone all night by friend who videotaped the entire proceeding. Mr. Mazurek did not enter the auditorium until minutes before he was called to testify according to his number--which he was aware of beforehand. When he sat, he sat amongst Success Academy students and personnel who were not from Williamsburg but who were, reiterating, bused in from Harlem and other whereabouts. At no time was he exposed to or engaged in any communication that included any vituperation, haranguing or harassment--indeed, NO ONE was singled out for harassment but much of the energy of the night was spent in team lobs between bused-in Harlem guests and their Williamsburg hosts en masse.

However, Mr. Mazurek felt the need to get on the microphone and berate the audience, specifically the opponents of the Success Academy Charter, to stop "harassing, haranguing and attacking" Success Academy representatives--though no such conduct was on display. NEVER. Anyone who wishes to confirm can easily receive all video-taping of the proceeding along with a transcription to uncover whether or not Mr. Mazurek is allowed his hideous distortions."

Anyone who is averse to the pseudonymous and troll-filled commentary on Brooklyn Paper is encouraged to submit comments to the SchoolBook Blog post linked above.
Feb. 19, 2012, 11:13 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Also from SchoolBook: "And I wish to add one further thing: I went to PS 19 from K to 4th grade, PS 18 for 5th grade, JHS 71 Juan Morel Campos 6-8th grades, then Eastern District High School. I am personally offended by the mischaracterizations about the schooling here. There isn't an agent of gentrification I have yet met who denounces our/my schools that impresses me in terms of intellect/education/decorum/societal standing. Indeed, it is quite the opposite: it seems to me everyone who is educated outside my community who impugns my community and her education has been a repellant, deceiving ignoramus completely clueless to history and therefore disqualified from making authentic or even intelligent remarks about the community's standing. I pit my and my community's achievements against those philistines and find them wanting."
Feb. 19, 2012, 11:14 am
Daily News says:
Want to get called horrible names? Want to get hauled into court? Want to get shouted down at public meetings?

Then dare to start a dozen free, outstanding public schools in New York City.

That’s the story of the Success Academy Charter Network.

The organization operates nine charter schools. Fully 95% of the students pass the state test in reading (city average: 62%) and 81% pass the state math test (city average: 51%). All fourth graders pass the state science exam, with 91% earning an advanced rating (city average: 43%).

Given those gangbusters results, founder and CEO Eva Moskowitz is moving to open three additional charters in Brooklyn school buildings that have more than enough room, one in Williamsburg, one in Cobble Hill, one in Bed-Stuy.

Reasonable parents say: Come in, so that my kids can have more quality educational options. Teachers unions and the parents over whom they hold sway say: Stay away, because your great school is an assault on all the wonders of public education.

On paper, they focus their ire on the details of a particular space-sharing agreement. But underneath, it’s the school itself, and the great results it manages to get with non-union labor, that’s the true threat.

Witness a lawsuit filed by a group called Advocates for Justice on behalf of 15 parents. It seeks to prevent the opening of a new Success Academy in Cobble Hill — on the absurd grounds that because the city at one point changed its plans about where to locate the school, it shouldn’t be allowed to open at all.

Or witness Thursday’s hearing on a plan to co-locate a new Success Academy school in Junior High School 50 in Williamsburg.

Present were regular parents hungry for alternatives, like Janet Rentas, a parent of a five-year old son.

Said she:

“If I could get an equal education at a charter school, why not? I am a single mom, and I would have to work a lot to send him to a Catholic school, but I would sacrifice if I had to.”

Also there were parents who, parroting the union line, called for nixing the school because it offers an alternative model.

They even turned a 15-year-old girl into an anti-charter zealot, and she was as incoherent as her adult models:

“We don’t need to buy education; we have it here,” the teen declared. We’ll spare her the embarassment that would come with publishing her name.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/success-academy-charter-network-attacked-remarkable-work-article-1.1024711#ixzz1msApntc6
Feb. 19, 2012, 6:19 pm
Question For Kate says:
If you are right about charters, then they will fail. Parents will take their kids out when they see how bad they are.

Why can't parents get to make their own decisions? Why don't you trust parents to do what is right for their kids?
Feb. 19, 2012, 6:28 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Pasted from that Daily News article comments thread:

"What the Daily News is doing here is carrying forward that malicious mischaracterization on display at Thursday's hearings. Any reasonable analysis of the significant video compiled at the meeting will show that testifiers like Mr. Mazurek and Ms. Notari were never subjected to hostility or even specific and direct attention while they were in the actual room. And yet, like those two testifiers, the Daily News is content with this polemical piece of nonsense that projects the lucrative role of "victim" here over to the invasive forces as though it is not they attempting to impose their will upon a community they are utterly alien to. Indeed, Ms. Moskowitz was present at the rear of the meeting and was seen settling down her own crowd--and whereas the leaders of the Hispanic community repeatedly prompted her presence with warm invitation to speak there or anywhere outside that meeting, NOT ONCE DID SHE DEEM THEM ENOUGH TO GRACE WITH RESPECT OR EVEN GREETING. Speaking further to the nonsense about the palpable energy of the evening, because, indeed, ENERGY WAS PALPABLE, I will again copy-paste from the NY Times SchoolBook Blog, modified to fit the tense of this thread:

"Editors, with all due respect, and only in [parroting the Corporate Business Academy's] distortions, it is just INCREDIBLE that [the Daily News and the Corporate Business Academy] would speak of...the politics of fear the days after having bused in families from Harlem to engage with palpable energy against their Williamsburg hosts. And this is only the latest violation. You should be aware that on previous occasions of public discussion that Success Academy advocates indicated they would stoop to any behavior to further ends, for example, revealing private information and children's identities/schools during hostile public discussions so as to traffic harassment towards children. Again, we object to this coverage and respectfully request coverage be extended so that we can hear what community leaders who are present at every turn of this larger proceeding have to say!"

This video is an excellent example of the Orwellian projections issued by press release from the Corporate Business Academy and parroted by mass media throughout New York City. I draw your attention to :40 of the video--observe carefully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wMV5-Zm4o

The persons you view exiting the auditorium of JHS 50 comprised the "local and citywide support" present at the previous hearing on this philistine petition by our Goliath Corporate Business Academy and her media conspirators. Subsequent to this hearing but previous to this video's posting, several Success Academy advocates [or, more clearly, several unidentifiable pseudonyms but not necessarily "persons"] commented that the attendees in support of Success Academy were not only subjected to harassment but strongly implied racial harangue. However, this video clearly shows that these attendees in support emerged from the left of the camera and thus the left of the 512 seat audience, before they exited from the rear. Never, EVER, is a word raised against them, The community observes, silent--unknowing that media would soon exploit fanciful echoes of their colonial savageries.

Subsequent to this hearing but previous to this video's posting, several Success Academy advocates [or, more clearly, several unidentifiable pseudonyms but not necessarily "persons"] commented *ON BROOKLYN PAPER'S COMMENTS THREADS, that the attendees in support of Success Academy were not only subjected to harassment but strongly implied racial harangue. The article was "Fighting over ‘Success’ — opponents call planned W’burg charter ‘racist’" http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/35/3/dtg_successhearing_2012_01_27_bk.html
Feb. 19, 2012, 6:35 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Furthermore, when the opponents of the Charter suggested, in the spirit of civility and to cool heads, that sign language be used to indicate understanding and reception, the advocates for the Charter were taped on the microphone deriding and scorning the recommendation.

The vileness of it was so profound that the gentleman who handled the microphone and moderated discussion had to point out what the sign meant and its powers of therapy over intellect and discussion.
Feb. 19, 2012, 6:38 pm
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
You will have to do better than " Why don't you trust parents to do what is right for their kids?"

If you were informed enough to know what the game here is really about you would be embarrassed to represent the stakes as those of personal choice.

Or maybe you are well aware and this is the familiar smokescreen. Either way you are serving interests who do not need you to serve them, they already have the deck stacked in their favor. Perhaps that will allow you the freedom of thought to develop your individual perspective rather than cut & paste from their marketing strategy.
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:13 pm
Charter Dad says:
Kate:

It must be so tough. You are so passionate and smart, but there are just so many stupid people who send their kids to charter schools. If only every parent was as smart as you.

You are going to lose this fight. The Mayor, NY Post, Daily News, NY Times all support success. The school will be approved on March 1 and there is nothing you can do about it.
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:23 pm
PS 84 Parent from Williamsburg says:
Has anyone applied to success? Obviously don't use your name or Stephanie Anderson will be upset.
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:24 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
So now that we're barren of argument and in full shameful display of an audience debating the merits of public vs. private education, so we resort to nonsensical personal jabs at people or gloats about futility against obscene and ignorant political power?

Feeble. Other than our futility, and some nonsense about Ms. Anderson getting upset over "names", is there anything else?
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:28 pm
Waiver for Walcott from NYC says:
Charter Dad is sadly right. Through the billionaire
Hedge fund. bloom bucks Corporate/media War on Public Education, they will win. That ,however, does not mean they are right. A new day will come after the next election, unless the little dictator and his fellow billionaire media
Tycoons Sir Rupert and Zuckerman can buy the election for Quinn who is Bloomberg without the money.

In the mean time an ugly history has been laid down and history will judge Bloomberg a dismal failure and corrupt little man. His "panel" is a bogus rubber stamp that has no interest in whatbthe community has to say. Bloom berg's policies have lead to an increase in failing schools. He claims his initiatives work, but if so, why are so many schools still failing. Millionaire Moskowitz and her hubby
Will win in the short term. The politicians ensured that when they granted Bloomberg Full control of the schools....Long term is another story.
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:42 pm
Waiver for Walcott from NYC says:
By the way, this is terribly biased reporting for showing pictures of the very small group of
Non residents bussed in and paid for by Millionaire Moskowitz and ignoring the vast majority of the crowd who were ANTI CHARTER SCHOOL!!!
This entire thing is about creating careers and businesses for the children of the wealthy and destroying public unions in order to save on pension costs. It has nothing to don with kids are simply the funding source that drives the Charter organizations and their investors...
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:49 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank you, Waiver for Walcott. That was powerful but sobering and yet encouraging.
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:49 pm
PS007 from Williamsburg says:
Hey Paula! (PS84 Parent NOT)

you know who just used their name to apply to PS84? Janet Rentas, of ghostwritten NY Post op ed fame!
Feb. 19, 2012, 8:52 pm
District15parent from Carroll Gardens says:
If Eva has hundreds of Williamsburg parents clamoring for Success, why did she feel it was necessary to bus in parents and students from Harlem?

There are videos posted by brooklynteacher1 on You Tube of the hearing. From the videos, it seems that Success filled a very small portion of the auditorium and they were the once doing the heckling.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:19 pm
Greenpoint res from Greenpoint says:
If "nobody in the neighborhood" wants the school, then it will fail. In REALITY, the school will have 5 applications for every seat. There ARE (many) people who want to go, despite what the anti-charter lemmings will have you believe, but then again, THEY KNOW BEST.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:44 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
The reason they will have 5 applications for every seat is because the lottery has a geographic scope that is much than just Williamsburg--so you got nerve talking about 'lemmings.' What are you? A parrot chirping the lies of its master? The point here is not your misdirection--the point here is that Brooklyn Paper, along with other media venues, sought to report the hearing on Thursday as though it was filled with supporters from Williamsburg. It did not--it had a whole of THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS FROM WILLIAMSBURG.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Therefore, the community has exercised its "choice" in conspicuously NOT SUPPORTING THE SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER. They have exercised 'choice' in demanding in no quiet tones that the monies implied and under threat be reapportioned to the public schools of District 14 and towards the El Puente Academy for Peace and Justice.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:55 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Let's not forget that THE WHOLE OF THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS, PRESUMABLY FIVE PARENT SUPPORTERS IN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS comes on the heels of a multimillion dollar ad and publicity campaign in Williamsburg that shamelessly includes, if you haven't noticed, ubiquitous cellophane applied from floor to ceiling on the public pillars of the Bedford Avenue subway station that is not geographically congruent to where the co-location is supposed to be in the first place! If the Success Academy and parrots like you argued in good faith about providing Williamsburg parents with "choice" why be so duplicitous with its promotional campaign? Why not advertise at the elevated Marcy Avenue station on the j/m/z line, where the school is actually located?

So please--we believe in "choice." And we choose to reject your bad faith parrot chirps.
Feb. 19, 2012, 10:59 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here are photos corroborating the use of buses by Success Academy whereby Harlem residents were injected into a Williamsburg debate so as to pit multicultural communities against each other in an ugly racial display of manufactured resentment.

http://www.williamsburggreenpointschools.org/news/success-academy-busses

Here are videos of the hearing. We will continue to post them as we find them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8i1wHhCR5I&list=UUh8pphdD7ocfQ7sED6OBL3g&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZoeayjVvY

And video of the previous hearing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wMV5-Zm4o
Feb. 20, 2012, 12:14 am
Lisa G from PS says:
This is why people move to Park Slope where the real schools are.

Williamsburg is for 20 year olds and these new parents who are more interested in living near trendy new restaurants than they are about supporting the community and the public school system.
Feb. 20, 2012, 12:31 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
Charter Dad, what makes you so smug? You like to be on the side of the winners? Take sides with the all-powerful then bask in the triumph? from behind a fake name?

PEP will vote the Mayor's will, I am well aware that Success has never been turned away. Why would that bring you satisfaction?

Our community is united against this charter school. Ours is a wonderful community. There is power in community. I wonder if you have any idea about that.
Feb. 20, 2012, 1:05 am
Yourke from Blowhard says:
Kate Yourke tell us what you do so we can judge you and level personal attacks about your work.

Just because you are self righteous doesn't mean you are right, darling.
Feb. 20, 2012, 1:38 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
So, by leveling a personal attack [calling someone "self-righteous"], you want to infer that the person you are personally attacking is making a personal attack.

Cute.

Useful wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell
Feb. 20, 2012, 7:16 am
We Know Who You Are from Blowhard says:
Miss Anthropos tell us what you do so we can judge you and level personal attacks about your work.

Just because you are smug and self righteous doesn't mean you are right, darling.
Feb. 20, 2012, 7:21 am
Kate The All Knowing says:
Kate:

If the entire community is against this school, then how do you explain the 200 children who applied to the school?

How does Kate explain that? I can't wait for your super intelligent all knowing answer.
Feb. 20, 2012, 7:54 am
Sam says:
Everybody thinks charters are the answer to failing schools in these neiborhoods. I work for the DOE. I see charters fail. We should be pumping more money and help to our failing schools than adding these stupid charters that will also fail down the road. All these yuppies move into an up and coming neighborhood for cheap and expect great schools.
Feb. 20, 2012, 8:36 am
We Know Who You Are from Blowhard says:
Miss Anthropos:

Repeating your question over and over again on this thread, baiting Yourke with your perverse obsession, will not make your question valid--especially when it was already answered. So keep repeating your question--the answer will be repeated also:

The reason they will have 5 applications for every seat is because the lottery has a geographic scope that is much than just Williamsburg--so you got nerve talking about 'lemmings.' What are you? A parrot chirping the lies of its master? The point here is not your misdirection--the point here is that Brooklyn Paper, along with other media venues, sought to report the hearing on Thursday as though it was filled with supporters from Williamsburg. It did not--it had a whole of THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS FROM WILLIAMSBURG.

Therefore, the community has exercised its "choice" in conspicuously NOT SUPPORTING THE SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER. They have exercised 'choice' in demanding in no quiet tones that the monies implied and under threat be reapportioned to the public schools of District 14 and towards the El Puente Academy for Peace and Justice.

Let's not forget that THE WHOLE OF THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS, PRESUMABLY FIVE PARENT SUPPORTERS IN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS comes on the heels of a multimillion dollar ad and publicity campaign in Williamsburg that shamelessly includes, if you haven't noticed, ubiquitous cellophane applied from floor to ceiling on the public pillars of the Bedford Avenue subway station that is not geographically congruent to where the co-location is supposed to be in the first place! If the Success Academy and parrots like you argued in good faith about providing Williamsburg parents with "choice" why be so duplicitous with its promotional campaign? Why not advertise at the elevated Marcy Avenue station on the j/m/z line, where the school is actually located?

Here are photos corroborating the use of buses by Success Academy whereby Harlem residents were injected into a Williamsburg debate so as to pit multicultural communities against each other in an ugly racial display of manufactured resentment.

http://www.williamsburggreenpointschools.org/news/success-academy-busses

Here are videos of the hearing. We will continue to post them as we find them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8i1wHhCR5I&list=UUh8pphdD7ocfQ7sED6OBL3g&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZoeayjVvY

And video of the previous hearing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wMV5-Zm4o
Feb. 20, 2012, 9:39 am
We Know Who You Are from Blowhard says:
And listen to how resentful you sound, with your "Kate, the all-knowing." Are you sad that you are Miss Anthropos the none-knowing?
Feb. 20, 2012, 9:39 am
We Know Who You Are from Blowhard says:
Miss Anthropos who "makes no sense", repeating your allegation and oversimplification, like repeating your rhetorical question above, will avail you not. As we promised, and entirely your fault because you refuse to accept the answer as it really is but construct your falsehood, each time you repeat your allegation and rhetorical question, we will repeat our answer, and further, we will continue to add evidence of the answer, and not pseudonymous nonsense:

Miss Anthropos:

Repeating your question over and over again on this thread, baiting Yourke with your perverse obsession, will not make your question valid--especially when it was already answered. So keep repeating your question--the answer will be repeated also:

The reason they will have 5 applications for every seat is because the lottery has a geographic scope that is much than just Williamsburg--so you got nerve talking about 'lemmings.' What are you? A parrot chirping the lies of its master? The point here is not your misdirection--the point here is that Brooklyn Paper, along with other media venues, sought to report the hearing on Thursday as though it was filled with supporters from Williamsburg. It did not--it had a whole of THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS FROM WILLIAMSBURG.

Therefore, the community has exercised its "choice" in conspicuously NOT SUPPORTING THE SUCCESS ACADEMY CHARTER. They have exercised 'choice' in demanding in no quiet tones that the monies implied and under threat be reapportioned to the public schools of District 14 and towards the El Puente Academy for Peace and Justice.

Let's not forget that THE WHOLE OF THREE PARENT SUPPORTERS, PRESUMABLY FIVE PARENT SUPPORTERS IN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS comes on the heels of a multimillion dollar ad and publicity campaign in Williamsburg that shamelessly includes, if you haven't noticed, ubiquitous cellophane applied from floor to ceiling on the public pillars of the Bedford Avenue subway station that is not geographically congruent to where the co-location is supposed to be in the first place! If the Success Academy and parrots like you argued in good faith about providing Williamsburg parents with "choice" why be so duplicitous with its promotional campaign? Why not advertise at the elevated Marcy Avenue station on the j/m/z line, where the school is actually located?

Here are photos corroborating the use of buses by Success Academy whereby Harlem residents were injected into a Williamsburg debate so as to pit multicultural communities against each other in an ugly racial display of manufactured resentment.

http://www.williamsburggreenpointschools.org/news/success-academy-busses

Here are videos of the hearing. We will continue to post them as we find them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8i1wHhCR5I&list=UUh8pphdD7ocfQ7sED6OBL3g&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZoeayjVvY

And video of the previous hearing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wMV5-Zm4o
Feb. 20, 2012, 10:26 am
We Know Who You Are from Blowhard says:
And, to top off the embarrassment for Success and its parrots, not only are they only able to produce the WHOLE OF 3 PARENT SUPPORTERS IN ALL OF WILLIAMSBURG, they can find only 1 pseudonymous troll by which to spread their lies.
Feb. 20, 2012, 10:30 am
Schaefer Landing Resident from Williamsburg says:
I've been following Ms. Yourke's postings and comments on a number of venues and I have always found them to be exceptionally thoughtful and well researched. Her statements are credible and supported by sound argument and facts. The trolls attacking her, on the other hand (I think I know who they are, I see them in the elevator occasionally) seem to rely only on shrillness and decibel levels. They can only parrot the "choice" line they've been fed, which, for all of us who have taken the time to study the issues of education and charters, know is a false solution. (Education is a public good, like national defense - if we needed to improve the US Army, would we waste money creating a second, privately managed Army and have it compete with the US Army in trying to win a war against an enemy? There used to be "choice" in fire departments - they'd fight over who got to put out your fire while your house burned down. There's a reason public goods should be managed differently from private goods.)

I've been wondering what these trolls' angle is - I don't know if they expect financial gain to their law practices, if my suspicions are correct about who they are (the money game with charters is that, while charter schools / charter management organizations are generally non-profits, the people controlling them can distribute public money to friends and associates who invest in the firms providing services to charter schools, and all this is done with no visibility or accountability to the public). Alternatively, there may also be some "founding parent" angle (whereby they can bypass the lottery and automatically get their kids into the schools in exchange for being vocal supporters; as an example, see http://www.laweekly.com/2011-10-13/news/charter-schools-getting-your-child-on-the-list/.) Either way, they've never been able to match Ms. Yourke's intellectual firepower, hence their resort to underhanded, childish tactics.
Feb. 20, 2012, 10:30 am
Nspiersdad from Williamsburg says:
Hey Shaefer Landing Resident! Its nice to hear a fellow "newcomer" speak out on these issues. I know Henry and Paula from our kids' preschool. I'm not going to say which one. I'm not sure why Henry and Paula are shilling Success Academy when they have been pretty outspoken about not wanting to send their own children to that school. It's hilarious to me that to the press they talk about this "choice" that they want for their children, but to the rest of us parents they criticize the school. They talk about how the school hours are too much for the kids and how their kids don't need that kind of structure. They want their kids to go to the charters coming out of Los Angeles whose proposals haven't even been approved yet.

You know what it comes down to and Paula and Henry have admitted to as much? They want to send their kids to private school but they don't think they'll get in.

Henry and Paula bought their condo, just like the rest of us. I did my research first and knew that I liked PS31 and that I could get my son into PS31 when the time came. Henry and Paula are the kinds of numbskulls who buy a condo when they have an infant without looking into the schools first, then panic. But I don't know what they are panicking about. No one does. The buzz around the preschools is that PS84, PS31, and PS110 are all good with enough space.

I will tell you though, if you hear of people in support of charter schools, it's not because they want their own children to go there. It's because they want Henry and Paula's kids to go there.
Feb. 20, 2012, 12:03 pm
District15parent from Carroll Gardens says:
Nspiersdad,

I think you are correct. At the hearing for Cobble Hill Success I felt the same thing. The parents in favor of Success HAD done their research but some had determined the schools were "mediocre". They sounded like they want a private school but who knows if their kid (or them) will make the cut. They certainly let it be known that they could afford the tuition.

I also keep hearing, "we can't afford to wait for the schools to improve. We need another option NOW." Why don't these parents work together to improve the local schools? They could certainly put pressure on their elected and the DOE to ensure adequate funding.

When my 12th grader was starting out the options here seemed extremely limited. The gifted program at 29 or moving into 321's zone seemed the only options. This wasn't the case and parents committed to the public schools.
Feb. 20, 2012, 12:43 pm
Lori Bednar from Williamsburg says:
Next time Success Academy supporters play victim and claim they're afraid to speak out because of the "vitriol" attacks, I will read these outloud or perhaps someone should cut and paste these cooments to schoolbook.
Feb. 20, 2012, 2:58 pm
To Schaefer Landing Resident says:
Your writings about the military are pretty lame. There is no union, no collective bargaining in the Army. It is based on merit where the bad soldiers are weeded out, and then good soldiers are promoted. Would you except that for the public school system? Of course not since you love a system where all teachers are equal, they get tenure for life, and we just can't judge the teachers since the DOE and or the parents does not give them the resources they need.

If the school system was run like the US Army where bad soldiers are fired or moved to a base in Alaska while the best soldiers become Rangers, do logistics, intelligence, infantry and or work in the Pentagon, we would have a good school system, but we don't and that is why we need charters.
Feb. 20, 2012, 5:54 pm
Question For Kate Yourke says:
Kate:

Are you worried that some parents might leave PS 132 or PS 84 and go to Success or some other Charter like Citizens of the World and that these students might be the best students so that will lower the overall ratings of these schools? Isn't that what this all about?

What happens if just a few parents take their kids from PS 84 and PS 132 and they have a good experience, and then more people leave. What will you do then?
Feb. 20, 2012, 6:23 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
"To Schaefer Landing Resident"--your deconstruction of the metaphor was equally dumb. The teacher's union and teacher evaluations are at best only part of the problem here but really a radical reduction of the "charter" issue.

Sometimes, the custodians in the school get overtime to mop floors and they remain dry all night. Hence, down with the schools! Down with District 14! Down with public education!

Give me a break.

And as to "Question for Kate Yourke," we're worried that Success Academy will expel students they can't get to jump their hoops and then conceal the expulsion--because that is exactly why "their grades are so good", they don't have to report expulsion data. That's right--the #1 criteria used against public schools and has carried forward the privatization harangue to the fullest effect is actually exempted from examination in those same charter schools. Now, ain't that some stuff right there?

Because you know where those expelled and suddenly invisible students will have to go? That's right, PS 132 or PS 84 or one of those other schools you impugn with your implications.
Feb. 20, 2012, 6:28 pm
SICK OF THIS from Williamsburg says:
Why don't you guys just PAY for the schools you want and leave our public schools alone? Isn't THAT what's really going on, Paula and Henry?

You don't want your precious little angels in school with Puerto Rican and Dominican kids that the school can't counsel out, but you can't get into any private schools because you can't buy yourself a good personality (or writing skills).
Feb. 20, 2012, 8:28 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The repeated myth on charter school is saying that they are open to everyone in the community. That was found to be completely bogus. Unless any of the residents happen to be rich, know somone there who is close, or just win the lottery, they will never be allowed to get in there. BTW, charter schools can actually expell failing students wheras this is illegal of a public school over does this. If you really want to see how well charter school teachers do, then maybe they should be given the same evaluation as what public school teachers are getting. If they have nothing to hide, then the evaluation wouldn't be a problem for them.
Feb. 20, 2012, 8:36 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That was incredible, Williamsburg Vet. I am certain to copy-paste that argument against trolls lurking bridges built by teachers!
Feb. 20, 2012, 8:57 pm
kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
If you can get through all the personal attacks, there is much clear thinking expressed here.

Charter Schools claim to be a "lifeboat" for families who are scared to send their kids to the depleted public schools. Meanwhile these charter schools maintain the ultimate privilege of counseling out students who do not produce the results that affirm their claim of superiority over those public schools. Those challenging children return to the real public schools, which will suffer with a higher percentage of challenging students, larger class sizes, demoralized educators and paltry budgets. Yes, those motivated families seeking out alternatives to this demoralized system might enrich the public schools they are encouraged to abandon.

This charter school system is a sham which deepens our investment in the misery and demise of truly public education- as these charter school networks draw out the most proficient learners and rigidly conform them to produce "results," they label real public schools as "failures" and take over their buildings, union-busting and privatizing the system along the way. All so finance people have another pool of money to turn to dust, as they have so many times before.

Does it surprise anyone that there would be opposition to this destructive impact?

The system is rigged, much to the glee of some of these comment writers (and what have you to gain from this rigged system, i wonder!) The PEP will vote the Mayor's will. But this community will not give one of its most precious community resources to a cynical venture like Success Academy Charter School.
Feb. 20, 2012, 9:53 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Why is these days that charter schools can't seem to find their own spaces and take where there are public schools instead? Also, why can't the owners pay for them by themselves rather than have to rely on taxpayer dollars when they aren't public to begin with? I would like to know how much were those in that picture being paid for to make such a claim. Don't be surprised if many of those students and their parents don't even live in the neighborhood.
Feb. 20, 2012, 10:28 pm
hypocrite from yorkville says:
Funny how kate yourke talks about personal attacks. Notice how her first post personally attacks the reporter. Typical spoiled clueless product of the middle class.
Feb. 21, 2012, 1:19 am
To kate says:
NY Spends 18K per student, the most in the USA.

The USA spends more than any country in the world per student. It is not about the money. Charter schools get 70% of public schools per student, and not all co-locate and get free rent.

http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/

Also, what is your plan when you lose the PEP vote and the lawsuit? Are you going to chain yourself to the doors of the school. Please just let everyone know so we can see you get arrested.
Feb. 21, 2012, 7:21 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
To "to kate", you're just like that commenter with his radical reductions about the military that got torn up by the actual military veteran. So using bad mathematics, as though 18K is ACTUALLY spent on each student and is not the entire education budget divided by number of students, will also avail you not.

It only indicates that when it comes to discussing "education" there is a reason you cowardly forego your own identity in favor of these perverse fixations on kate yourke--you don't read as being very educated yourself, with your ham-handed reductionist perspective.

Anyone who wishes further actual dialogue between REAL human beings and not stalking cowards hiding behind a pseudonymous troll are encouraged to go to the Coalition Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/scscbrooklyn
Feb. 21, 2012, 7:41 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And, trying to blow smoke up people's butts to make yourself feel better also won't work: yes, there are charter schools who do not co-locate and get free rent. THIS CHARTER SCHOOL, THE SUCCESS BUSINESS ACADEMY-CUM-CORPORATE BUSINESS ACADEMY, IS IN FACT AN INVADING CO-LOCATING SCHOOL NOT PAYING RENT. So not only do you sound like you were terrible at simple arithmetic in school, you also sound like you probably didn't know your truth tables.

Or maybe you did? Maybe you know this one:

P ↓ Q

That expression, the logical "nor," has one interesting possibility that matches you: that if P=FALSE and Q=FALSE then P ↓ Q=TRUE.

That's your new name, MR. P ↓ Q, since you think piling falsehood upon falsehood avails you truth.

So much for your distortions.
Feb. 21, 2012, 7:46 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
If you support this privatization of our public education system, you can just chill. Have a beer. Relax. The system is designed for just this, there is no window in which democratic process will influence the results, there is no doubt about the intentions of those in power. You need do nothing.

So why is it that discussion around this issue becomes some kind of sport, to bait, taunt and express glee for any points gained?

Enjoy your game, and your beer. For me this is a real issue with real consequences, so I use my actual name, which seems to trigger absurd assumptions and an obsessive desire to reveal hypocrisy.

You want to see me be arrested? You are that starved for entertainment? That would offer you some satisfaction? Very odd.

Hard to imagine anyone of substance is still reading. Time to move on.
Feb. 21, 2012, 8:49 am
Anni from Manhattan says:
Imagine how happy our communities would be if the DOE actually supported and strengthened the schools it already runs and - where demand exceeds capacity - it looked at best practices and created more strong schools of its own...instead it wimps out and passes off space to politically connected, privately-funded organizations. So sad for our neighborhoods and for the idea of truly public education.
Feb. 21, 2012, 2:23 pm
Leonie Haimson from Greenwich Village says:
Eva: “Whenever I propose a charter school in a community, the community says they would be happy to have us somewhere else." Wonder why?
Feb. 21, 2012, 7:50 pm
Buddhababy from Bushwick says:
Nspiersdad from Williamsburg, District15parent from Carroll Gardens, and SICK OF THIS from Williamsburg all hit the nail on the head. I've been looking at all the strollers at those new condos and reading those real estate section articles in the New York Times about how Williamsburg is the new Park Slope and wondering when the merde was going to hit the fan about sending their little ones to school. They really want private schools, but there aren't any in the area and they couldn't afford them if there were. If you're buying into those condos it's because you want the 'Manhattan' lifestyle, which means private school, but you're buying in Williamsburg because you're priced out of Manhattan, which means you REALLY can't afford the 35K annual tuition that would require. The whole school thing is the ultimate flaw in the developers' schemes for the neighborhood and they only have a couple years to sort it out before all those condos become the white elephants they are destined to be. Which explains the desperate push to close down the local schools and bring in the charters. There are only so many 20 somethings with rich parents to buy them apartments and that plan has run it's course. People that can afford to buy the condos in Williamsburg may be priced out of Manhattan but they still have the hysteria about the 'right' schools for their kiddies that upper middle class people everywhere share. You can't sell million dollar apartments to people unless you have somewhere 'fabulous' for them to send their kids to school.
Feb. 23, 2012, 12:36 am
Lifer from Williamsburg says:
Question for Kate. Where did you kids go to school? I seems to me that I have seen you on the subway taking your children to school in Manhattan??? Am I wrong? Were the neighborhood schools not good enough for your children?

The only people here who are being attacked are the ones that want their children to get an better education. When did this become a crime?

True be told to Buddababy... People come to live here because they want to live here. It is one of the most in demand neighborhoods in the city. The Edge sold more units last year than any other development in the city. When people are 20 or 30 something and in love they really don't think about where they are going to send their kids to school till there is a kid and then well there is a problem.

The artists who came here in the 80's and 90's for the most part sent their kids elsewhere to school. The elementary school in Greenpoint was good but once you got to Middle School you had a problem. This is not a new issue but maybe this is progress.
I think bring Charter Schools to this neighborhood is incredible. Good Luck to Ms Moskowitz let me know if I can help.
Feb. 25, 2012, 8:31 am
WAGPOPS from Williamsburg says:
Lifer,

Kate's kids go to public school in the neighborhood. That is only one of several things you are misinformed about:

1) The artists who came here (myself among them) sent their kids to the 4 small public schools in the East Village. That's true. BUT, if you talked to them now - and I'm in touch with many of them - they would send their kids to school in Williamsburg and Greenpoint. The schools are very different now.

2) ALL NYC schools are suffering from the high stakes testing that Success Academy and the charter school movement nationwide supports. The 4 East Village schools all test poorly (on par with our schools), even Community Roots tests poorly.

3) The East Village parents (and Community Roots parents for that matter) would never consider Success Academy a viable option for their children.

4) This community has always cared about inserting democracy into the distribution of public funds for the welfare of the community as a whole. As a lifer, you would know that.

The Williamsburg and Greenpoint community almost unilaterally is against corporate run charter school chains co-locating in our district schools. CEC14 is against it. CB1 is against it. All of our community based organizations are against it.

The elementary SCHOOLS (plural) in Greenpoint ARE great and serve parents who are very satisfied with those three schools. We DO need support for our neighborhood middle schools, but we do NOT need corporate run K-5 charter school chains.
Feb. 25, 2012, 12:02 pm
it is i from kensington says:
Kudos to WAGPOPS! I salute you for fighting to preserve the PUBLIC in public schools!
Feb. 26, 2012, 12:36 am
cyrilla from Upper West Side says:
We have watched Success Academy destroy our PS with their colocation. Please, someone take down that beast so that our schools can live in peace and we can all get back to the business of going to school together.
Feb. 26, 2012, 6:46 pm

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