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Glenn Beck is angry at the Park Slope Food Co-op

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The Park Slope Food Co-op’s campaign to ban Israeli food products is a hate-spewing affront on the Jewish State that will injure the whole human race, conservative media personality Glenn Beck told a packed crowd in Crown Heights last night.

The Libertarian poster boy called the market’s proposed boycott on Israeli-made or grown products “anti-Semitic” at a fundraiser for a Jerusalem museum.

“What is happening with the food co-op where they are seriously considering a boycott of Israel?” he said, likening the suggested ban to a subtle version of drawing swastikas. “When you use words like ‘I’m just anti-Israel’ or ‘I’m just anti-Zionist’ — that’s anti-Semitic.”

Supporters of Israel crowded into a Razag Ballroom, a Jewish community center and wedding hall, to hear the man famous for his chalkboard-abetted rants, fits of crying, and theories about progressives discuss subjects such as evil-doing, Israel’s right to defend itself, and on-air use of the word “Nazi.”

Over 200 people — yarmulke-clad politicians, justice-seeking authors and big-name lawyers — came to raise money for the Gush Katif Museum, which commemorates controversial eviction of Israeli settlements in the Gaza strip, but stayed for Beck’s speech.

The former Fox News host and current internet TV pundit earned loud applause and coverage from several news stations, but Food Co-op members were not as enthusiastic.

Some fired back that Beck was simply capitalizing on the attention — and commenting on a subject about which he knows little.

“People at the Co-op are very open-minded,” said Co-op member Steve Dobkin, who is Jewish and defended the shop’s progressive thinking. “I’d like to boycott him.”

Beck’s speech comes after a Co-op vote this week that revived calls for the purveyor of all-things-organic to sanction Israel for alleged human rights violations against Palestinians, the way the Union Street grocery banned South African products during apartheid, and, more recently, plastic bags.

The rule was first proposed three years ago in the shop’s newsletter, sparking international media attention and prompting gripes from hummus and paprika-loving foodies, some of whom called the plan anti-Semitic way before Beck — who is neither Jewish nor a Co-op member — hit Brooklyn.

Assemblyman Dov Hikind (D–Borough Park), who attended the event on East New York Avenue, echoed Beck’s idea.

“You have some idiots in Brooklyn,” he said.

But after the speech, some event-goers said the subject was more nuanced than the way Beck had framed it.

“He might just be playing to the crowd,” said audience member Yosef Sehwartz.

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RAlti from Midwood says:
I don't like how this is being treated as a joke. This is anything but. It's serious, and while these new, fake "Brooklynites " have no concept of self control, tolerance, business, or politics, there are plenty of people here who do. This is a genuine attack against religion, politics, and frankly the ability of one to make their own decisions.

This cult should in no way be getting involved where it doesn't belong. I'm very pro -Israel, but I won't even bother defending it, because that's not the point. The point is that there's a time and place for a political forum, and this isn't one of them. I've always been creeped out by this place, and the people there, but this takes it further.

Be careful, supporting places that make decisions for you in small places. It will only get bigger. Like it, or not, this is what Nazi Germany was all about. It was gradual.

Go to hell, psycho hipsters.
Feb. 23, 2012, 8:56 am
Bruce from Flatbush says:
I miss the Park Slope of the 70's and 80's. May have been gritty but it was real. The Jews like Dobkin and others at the Park Slope Food co- op not unlike the Jews who work at this paper are the self hating kind.The type who would have helped the nazis out other Jews in germany so they could have a half of slice of bread. Their view of the world and their moral values have mutated into some type of weird self hatred mixed mixed with a disturbing righteousness that makes me want to puke. Good is evil and evil is good.
Feb. 23, 2012, 9:13 am
norman from ParkSlope says:
I'm sure we don't need Glenn Beck or a boycott of Israeli products. Most Brooklynites have a well established fondness for Israel. Many Brooklynites find Glenn Beck outside the mainstream of probity. Support Israel and please drop this Glenn Beck clown.
Feb. 23, 2012, 9:27 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
No country or government is above criticism. When a country does wrong, people of conscience must call them on it. That includes America, that includes Israel, that includes every other country in the Middle East and around the world.

People who equate criticism of Israel's policies with a threat to its very existence, and who smear those who voice that criticism as irredeemably evil, exemplify the extremism of which they accuse others. It voids civil discourse.

Israel deserves to live in peace. It does not deserve to deny others that right. It certainly does not deserve to deny others that right without protest from people, and Peoples, of conscience.
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:01 am
MK from Park Slope says:
Interesting that Glenn Beck who has spewed anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and thinly-veiled hate speech for years is somehow invoked in this fight...Just one of many examples: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012807208.html
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:10 am
Marc from Red Hook says:
The Orthodox Union will not allow a kosher establishment under their supervision to sell or buy any Israeli produce.....double standard Glenn Beck
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:15 am
JudahSpechal from Bedstuy says:
Well said Scott from Park Slope. Looking at the News media here in the US one is led to believe that everyone in Isreal has the same belief on every subject.

This is a dis service to the Jewish State and will in the long run hurt the Country.

Raitio from Midwood help educate me, please.

Wasn't the propaganda of classifying the Jewish people as having one thought, one objective, one motivation, one believe use as one of the tools that led to the massacre of 6 million?

I don't know much on this subject but I would greatly appreciate the education.
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:43 am
JudahSpechal from Bedstuy says:
Well said Scott from Park Slope. Looking at the News media here in the US one is led to believe that everyone in Isreal has the same belief on every subject.

This is a dis service to the Jewish State and will in the long run hurt the Country.

Raitio from Midwood help educate me, please.

Wasn't the propaganda of classifying the Jewish people as having one thought, one objective, one motivation, one believe use as one of the tools that led to the massacre of 6 million?

I don't know much on this subject but I would greatly appreciate the education.
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:43 am
JudahSpechal from BedStuy says:
Growing up I constantly heard on tv about anti-semitism. Coming of age I thought this was overblown. As I've gotten older more & more people of all racial groups whisper things that i find shockingly anti-Semitic.

Now creating a climate where people should only praise Isreal is very very dangerous. I think u all know that.
Feb. 23, 2012, 10:52 am
Hector from Williamsburg says:
Mixing food and politics is funny.
Feb. 23, 2012, 12:09 pm
Dave from Park Slope says:
I know Steve Dobkin. He doesn't seem to hate himself in the least. And he's a good guy.

It's hard enough to get people to pay attention to what's going on in Brooklyn, let alone Israel and the West Bank. While both sides in this debate have their merits, do we really need to make this an issue for the Park Slope Food Coop? What about products made in China? 99% of us just want to shop and work our shifts, so let's check the Middle Eastern politics at the door.

Two more things: Glenn Beck weighing in on this issue isn't exactly what I would call value-added. And Dov Hikind, you better than anyone in Brooklyn should know an idiot when you see one, starting in the mirror.
Feb. 23, 2012, 1:12 pm
Jay from Kensington says:
Being Anti-Israel policy is not the same as being Anti-Semitic, not even close. The pro-Israel crowd needs to stop it with this line of argument. I am against lots of decisions government make, it does not mean I hate their people or religion. People like Glenn Beck set up these straw man arguments to get ratings and be provocative.
Feb. 23, 2012, 1:21 pm
Richard Grayson from Apache Junction, Ariz. says:
Many of my friends who belong to the Park Slope Food Co-op are Jewish, of course -- some belong to Congregation Beth Elohim -- and Glenn Beck has a long history of discussing allegedly Jewish left-wing conspiracies.

MK from Park Slope didn't quote from the Washington Post article he linked to, but here are excerpts:

On January 30 of last year, Post columnist Dana Milbank said Beck's latest problem with Jews occured on "Holocaust Remembrance Day - when 400 rabbis representing all four branches of American Judaism took out an ad demanding that Beck be sanctioned for "monstrous" and "beyond repugnant" use of "anti-Semitic imagery" in going after Holocaust survivor George Soros."

Here is the letter:

"We are rabbis of diverse political views. As part of our work, we are devoted to preserving the memory of the Shoah, and to passing its lessons on to our future generations and to all humankind. All of us have vigorously defended the Holocaust's legacy. We have worked to encourage the responsible invocation of its symbols as a powerful lesson for the future.

We were therefore deeply offended by Roger Ailes' recent statement attributing the outrage over Glenn Beck's use of Holocaust and Nazi images to "left-wing rabbis who basically don't think that anybody can ever use the word 'Holocaust' on the air."

In the charged political climate in the current civic debate, much is tolerated, and much is ignored or dismissed. But you diminish the memory and meaning of the Holocaust when you use it to discredit any individual or organization you disagree with. That is what Fox News has done in recent weeks, and it is not only "left-wing rabbis" who think so.

Abe Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, a child survivor of the Holocaust, described Beck's attack on George Soros as "not only offensive, but horrific, over-the-top, and out-of-line." Commentary Magazine said that "Beck's denunciation of him [Soros] is marred by ignorance and offensive innuendo." Elan Steinberg, vice president of The American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, called Mr. Beck's accusations "monstrous." Rev. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, called them "beyond repugnant." And Deborah Lipstadt, professor of Holocaust Studies at Emory University, says Beck is using traditional anti-Semitic imagery.

"I haven't heard anything like this on television or radio -- and I've been following this kind of stuff," Lipstadt said. "I've been in the sewers of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial more often than I've wanted."

We share a belief that the Holocaust, of course, can and should be discussed appropriately in the media. But that is not what we have seen at Fox News. It is not appropriate to accuse a 14-year-old Jew hiding with a Christian family in Nazi-occupied Hungary of sending his people to death camps. It is not appropriate to call executives of another news agency "Nazis." And it is not appropriate to make literally hundreds of on-air references to the Holocaust and Nazis when characterizing people with whom you disagree.

It is because this issue has a profound impact on each of us, our families and our communities that we are calling on Fox News to meet the standard it has set for itself: "to exercise the ultimate sensitivity when referencing the Holocaust." We respectfully request that Glenn Beck be sanctioned by Fox News for his completely unacceptable attacks on a survivor of the Holocaust and that Roger Ailes apologize for his dismissive remarks about rabbis' sensitivity to how the Holocaust is used on the air."

Back to Milbank's Jan. 2011 column:

"Beck's warm thoughts about Israel, for example, don't excuse what he did two weeks ago on Fox News, when he identified nine men responsible for the "era of the big lie." He spoke of them as propagandists who saw themselves as an "intelligent minority" manipulating the masses. Of the nine men Beck attacked, eight were Jews. "A classic case of anti-Semitic dog-whistling," alleged Jeff Goldberg of the Atlantic. "

If the people in that place in Crown Heights want to consort with a man like Glenn Beck, they deserve what they get if his ilk ever comes to power. Well, actually, they don't, of course.

He will end up like all haters do, in the dustbin of history. People who support and oppose different policies regarding Israel should realize that Glenn Beck is an evil demagogue.
Feb. 23, 2012, 1:24 pm
ty from pps says:
How has Tal not commented yet?
Feb. 23, 2012, 3:13 pm
o3 says:
beck aint libertarian. beck aint jewish. and beck's not authentic. but beck is a successful grifter pandering to the lowest attitudes...for the highest price.
Feb. 23, 2012, 3:33 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
The key is to acknowledge that Israel is not a monolith. There are so many in Israel who embrace peace, and who recognize, as is natural, that Arabs and Palestinians too are human beings fully deserving of human rights and dignity. Those people in Israel can imprecisely be called supporters of Labor. Others, who support Likuud, and the fringe parties like Shaas, drive the policies that most antagonize the world and dominate American perceptions of the Israel/Palestinian question.

Why should we, as Americans, prefer the latter over the former? We can choose to do otherwise. We, as Israel's primary (and often, only) benefactor, can insist they find a way to peace rather than war.

The Park Slope Food Co-op is a minor footnote in a minor neighborhood. Whether it decides to buy hummus from Israel or not matters not on any significant material level. It might, though, coming from as heavily a Jewish neighborhood as it does, send a message to Israel that things don't have to be this way, and that there are many on American soil who agree and support those in Israel who support Labor.

I hope that those who want to live with their neighbors win out over those who want kill their neighbors. I hope that those who hate those who want to live in peace will come, eventually, to regret their hatred. I hope that in my lifetime everyone in the Middle East will recognize their common testament of faith and live as God meant us to.
Feb. 23, 2012, 3:52 pm
norman from Park Slope says:
Glenn Beck is a sick puppy. Israel doesn't need Glenn Beck. Brooklyn is a very pro-Israel borough.
Feb. 23, 2012, 4:27 pm
K. from ArKady says:
Say, with all due respect, the last time you fellas helped out a mediagenic right wing demagogue when he was on the ropes it didn't work out too well for you. But hey, what could possibly go wrong here?
Feb. 23, 2012, 4:29 pm
SK from Bed-Stuy says:
Nearly half of all young Palestinian children are suffering from chronic malnutrition as a direct result of policies by the Jewish state. I support anything that sends a message that this unfair treatment of the Palestinian people has got to stop.
Feb. 23, 2012, 5:13 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
As a native of Israel, I feel that the boycott is not only wrong, but the reason for is just another riding of the myth. Normally, I wouldn't agree with Beck, but he is right to say about this. As a matter of fact, even Senator Charles Schummer, who is a hard core liberal, called out this boycott. In reality, it is the Palestinian Authority and even terrorist groups such as Hamas and Fatah who treating their own kind like that. Keep in mind that Israel actually granted the Palestinians their own autonomy when that was never the case for the rest of the region. Right now, Israel is the only true democracy in the region compared to all the rest especially with what is going on right now over there. I would love to hear the Park Slope Food Co-op condemn Hamas or even Hezbollah everytime they launch attacks on innocent Israeli civillians, but they will probably try to deny that.
Feb. 23, 2012, 6:57 pm
ty from pps says:
And.... there we have it.

Hey Tal -- Didn't you hear? The Park Slope Co-Op doesn't just support Hamas and Hezbollah, most of the members of the co-op are actually members of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda. Part of the orientation for new members is a 2-week terrorist training camp "experience" on Long Island.

Talk about "Hamasing" right?! Oh man.
Feb. 23, 2012, 7:49 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, this is no joke. These terrorist groups attack innocent Israeli civillians whenever they get the chance to do so. However, many claim that Israel is oppressing the Palestinians as a whole when they are really just trying to stop the terrorists. Unfortunately, Hamas has a history of putting their own kind into harm's way either by holding them up as human shields or by placing their bases in densely populated areas for good PR movements. They never really cared about their own people yet a Palestinian state, but they are viewed as martyrs around the world despite being known as a terrorist organization. That ignorant comment you just made at me shows how very little you actually know about the issue, and you probably don't read outside the local section of your newspaper either like I do.
Feb. 23, 2012, 8:58 pm
mike from GP says:
Yes, Mr. Hikind, there are.
Feb. 23, 2012, 9:07 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
When some claim that Israel oppresses the Palestinians, did anyone ever bother to show actual proof of that? Much of the rest of the region has shown more evidence of such acts that Israel does. Just look at what is going on in Egypt, Syria, Iran, and even Turkey. I don't seem to hear a lot crying foul there, but they do on Israel. Many of the countries that complain about how Israel treats them aren't even democracies themselves. Are we supposed to believe this comming from one that is a true theocracy [Iran], a dictatorship [Syria], one that still treats women as property [Saudia Arabia], or even one that still doesn't have a voting system [United Arab Emirates]? BTW, many of these countries scapegoat Israel just to hide what they actually do.
Feb. 23, 2012, 9:39 pm
ty from pps says:
When some claim that Europeans oppressed the Jews, did anyone ever bother to show actual proof of that?
Feb. 24, 2012, 10:06 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I take it that you are a Holocaust denier, ty, because you seem to omit the fact that Jews were placed in concentration camps by the Nazis durring WWII, and those do exist, plus I even visited some of them in the past.
Feb. 24, 2012, 10:37 am
Peggy Wang from Hell's Kitchen says:
I agree with Jay who says that being anti-Israel policy is NOT the same as being anti-Semitic. This is ridiculous, coddling Israel when no other country has been treated as sensitively as itself. For instance, if they were to boycott Chinese good due to the Chinese government's treatment of Tibet...is that..."anti-Sino"? Don't think so. This is coming from someone who spent 8 months living and loving the country -- get over it, even Israelis I know wouldn't get their panties in a bunch like Beck.
Feb. 24, 2012, 10:41 am
ty from pps says:
No Tal. I am most certainly not a Holocaust denier. You are such a ridiculous little person. So the atrocities inflicted upon a people justifies a STATE made up of these same people inflicting harm on others... why?

Do you honestly not see any parallels between the Palestinian "condition" and, say, the situation the Jews of Warsaw or Berlin found themselves in during the lead up to WWII?

None at all? Talk about denial.

Is it the same? No. Are you (and many others) ignoring basic human rights and supportive of economic suppression/oppression in the name of "security" and "national identity"? Sound familiar?

Are the Palestinians "right" about everything? No. Should they get everything they demand? No. Is building a Warsaw Ghetto-Style Wall around the West Bank dehumanizing and a form of psychological subjugation? Yes. Does it have anything to do with security (if you're actually being honest)? No. Is Israel the party in this situation that has been allowed to operated as a state with international recognition and support? Yes. Doesn't that mean they should act like an adult rather than being petty, destructive and vindictive? Probably, right?
Feb. 24, 2012, 11:10 am
bill from marine park says:
Peggy Wang from Hell's Kitchen says "if they were to boycott Chinese good due to the Chinese government's treatment of Tibet...is that..."anti-Sino"?"

So why doesn't the CO-OP boyocott China?
Feb. 24, 2012, 11:13 am
Kalahari Dessert from Brooklyn says:
I'm a co-op member. There is no doubt that the Israeli government is a nasty, aggressive entity. But George W Bush (who most right wing pro-Israeli people LOVED) carried out assassination and killing civilians on a much larger scale than the Israeli government (which probably would if it had the resources). So I don't think the boycott is practical. If we were to boycott all the miscreant governments in the world (which Israel is certainly in the top tier - and even higher in the whining percentile), we'd have no food on the co-op's shelves. I personally just don't buy products from companies I don't like and try to keep it local. I'll bet there are some very principled Israeli farmers. I do note that during the boycott against South Africa, most of the whole world backed it (even the US)- and Israel did not and also made a great deal of money selling the apartheid government uzis and the other toys of death. It's a well known fact that Israel makes a fortune selling arms (and using ones banned by the Geneva Convention) to whoever will fork over the shekels. By the way, I was a sceptic when I joined, but I can say with no reservations the co-op is the best thing Brooklyn has going for food, friendship, cooperation and community advancement-whatever country you come from.
Feb. 24, 2012, 1:12 pm
Phil from Sheepshead Bay says:
It is the height of irony that Glenn Beck's base are in some situations such staunch apologists of Israel (a state that maintains, essentially, a Jim Crow division among its citizens), while many comprise simultaneously the most anti-Semitic cohort you could ever meet. Israel, as a state, has as much of a conscience as the U.S. Gov't--that is, little or none.

That nobody criticizes the despicable regimes of the Middle East and only singles out Israel is the biggest sham argument I've ever heard. Excusing a police state and the obvious second-class citizenship of non-Jews in Israeli and its occupied territories is shockingly hypocritical.

Anyone would be a fool to deny that Israelis have not suffered greatly from terrorism, but it is only racism/chauvinism and fear that prevent people from seeing the actions of the Israeli state as equally "terrorist," a word we apply to our enemies but never to ourselves when it is inconvenient.
Feb. 24, 2012, 1:16 pm
bengee from coney says:
Why would anybody with a brain in there head want to sit down and listen to anything that Beck has to say?
Feb. 24, 2012, 2:33 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
More anti-Israel myths as usual here. First off, it's completely apples and oranges to compare how the Jews were treated by the Nazis to how the Palestinians are being treated in the disputed terroritories in Israel. Did the Jews launch terrorist attacks against Germans or other Europeans or even try to overthrow any governments in that matter prior to WWII? The answer is no. Last time I checked, neither Gaza Strip or West Bank had any gas chambers in them as the concentration camps in Europe did. Anyone who talks about Holocaust resistors on the Jews, I can say the same about slave resistors on the Blacks. Jews that left the camps to join with allied forces were no different from the Blacks that escaped the Confederate states to fight for the Union Army. Then again, why is there is no Jewish Heritage Month as there is for just about every other group? We have been just as oppressed, but we get no special month. Still, the claim for the boycott is wrong and should be lifted at once.
Feb. 24, 2012, 4:23 pm
Josh from Red Hook says:
Remember when The Brooklyn Paper actually employed good journalists? What a terrible article. Just a few of the may possible gripes: the Co-Op has not banned plastic bags. Tee-shirt bags are not provided at check-out, but Co-Op shoppers hungrily and thoughtlessly unspool hundreds of virgin produce bags daily, as well as plenty of other plastic packaging; the Co-Op is not a "purveyor of all things organic" by any stretch. It has a wide variety of foods and plenty of it is far from certified organic. Lose the wisecracking, tongue-in-cheek style and write a news article.
Feb. 24, 2012, 5:18 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Honestly, I have never shopped there, and I probably never will. Some co-ops don't let just anyone shop there unless they happen to be members. Nevertheless, I can always get my Israeli made products elsewhere like that row that is near the Mt Hebron Cemetery over in the Kew Garden Hills section of Queens, though this is usually after going to Mets games. Also, there is a place in Brooklyn in the Midwood area off the Kings Highway that gives them. For big purchases such as major events, Syosset, over in Nassau County, has a Galil, which makes numerous Israeli products. There are probably many more places besides the ones I am just mentioning right now that sell Israeli products. If you can't get them at that co-op, there is always those places.
Feb. 24, 2012, 6:27 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- I think it's really amusing that you can't differentiate between the Jewish people and the State of Israel. OK, not amusing. Actually sad.

But of course, you are the same person that calls anyone who wants safer streets and more transportation options a "bike zealot" (and I'm pretty sure you've called lots of people who have never been on a bicycle "bike zealots")

So sad. Pathetic pathetic, brain damaged little person. But look at me, I'm just "Hamasing" or something, right?
Feb. 24, 2012, 6:40 pm
Matt says:
There is no such place as 'Palestine'.
Feb. 24, 2012, 8:41 pm
ty from pps says:
Is that supposed to be a meaningful comment? (regardless of the fact that it is not true)
Feb. 24, 2012, 8:46 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
In the words of Dennis Miller, "Palestine is nothing more than a Never-Never Land." Although the name is the Latinized version of Philistines, it was really the Romans that gave the name. The original Philistines were a nomadic tribe that never actually settled there, the Jews were the ones that called that land home. Even after the Roman Empire fell in 476, Palestine didn't become independent, it just fell to the Byzantines as other groups followed that included the Mamelukes, Fatamids, Crusades, Ottomans, and British. Palestine was NEVER an independent country throughout time. In reality, what is this independent nation of Palestine some of you are speaking of when it never was that then? If such a country did exist, then what was their government like? Of course, I know many of you will never give an answer to that.
Feb. 24, 2012, 9:25 pm
ty from pps says:
And Israelis didn't exist until 1948 when the State of Israel was established... prior to that it was part of the Palestine Mandate from 1922 through 1948 under British Rule.

Variations of "Palestine" referred to the region going back thousands of years... Egyptians, Romans, Assyrians, etc. etc. etc. all made reference to Palestine.

Why is independence such an important aspect?

If the British didn't want to shed themselves of their patch of dirt east if the Mediterranean Israel wouldn't exist.
Feb. 24, 2012, 10:18 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
A boycot of Israel is pretty serious and very against the law - check out US Chamber of Commerce, the OCC etc - would be a true chuckle to see some candy a s s slopers passed around like cigarettes in the joint over where they get their humus. On the other hand I guess it would be an endorsement of how the Arabs treat women,, non muslims and gays (gee where is the outrage -oops as long as it's against the Jews its OK)
Feb. 25, 2012, 9:31 am
RAlti from Midwood says:
Wow! I left for a few days, and cannot believe what I came back to. Ty, it seems that you real just have hatred, and have no interest in listening to facts. The facts given here by Tal, are based one proof of what actually happens. Have you ever been over there?Of course not. You simply listen to your liberal biased media gospel, and make your decisions.

It's amazing how Israel is the only nation that is a democracy in the Middle East, and the only nation with women's rights, and even gay rights, and yet they're considered evil. When "palestinian" women, children, and gays are threatened to be murdered by their own govt, they run to Israel, because Israel provides shelter for refugees. All surrounding nations have refugees fleeing to Israel. Israeli universities see a 20% makeup of palestinians. The supreme court has palestinians on the bench. Why don't you take a look at the statistics in palestine. See how many Israelis make up their schools, and courts.

Those savages use their people as shields, murder without question, and slay non-believers. Let me also point out that "palestine" is made up of the cast-offs of the other arab nations. The people who were sent there were criminals, and murderers that the other arab nations didn't want.

Israeli medics have delivered palestinian babies in times of necessity, and treated wounded palestinians. The palestinians treat their citizens in a vile manner, and then cry oppression. It's almost comical.

I've joined the "boycott the park slope food cult" page on fb, if anyone is interested.
Feb. 25, 2012, 10:30 am
ty from pps says:
RAlti -- Have I been to Israel?

Yes. I've been to Israel and the West Bank. In fact I lived there for 7 months.

Hmm... Which biased media gospel are you basing your one-sided and offensive propaganda? Do you not see how what you just spewed is as extreme and crazy as anything the leaders of Hezbollah could come up with? Just change the names. Oh, right. Sorry, yes. The region's problems are black-and-white and Israel does no wrong. They are the White Knights of the freedom and glory.
Feb. 25, 2012, 11:40 am
jay from pslope says:
I don't shop at the co-op nor do I have any ties to them, so A number of point to make here,
1) Glenn Beck actively endorses a company called Goldline, they were just forced to repay 4.5 million dollars to investors that were defrauded, they have to establish a fund for future fraud claims, and they will be under court supervision for at least the next five years.
One person investigating the company says that its impossible that Glenn Beck did not know what was going on. So why anyone continues to listen to Glenn Beck is beyond me or reason, let alone go on a message board and defend the guy, like some here have done.
2) If a person has a problem with Israel's government that does NOT make them anti-Jewish. In fact there are a fair amount of Jews who live in Israel who also disagree with the government, so I guess they are all just a bunch of liberal brain-washed self-loathing anti-Jewish Jews?
Or maybe you think Avigdor Lieberman is correct when he said of such people “The heads of the Nazi regime, along with their collaborators, were executed. I hope this will be the fate of the collaborators in [the Knesset].”?
3) People like Jimmy Carter have been called anti-Jewish because he made some comments that put some of the blame for problems on Israel. This is insane because when Jimmy Carter was in office he did things to help ensure Israel's survival and helped broker peace. Were it NOT for Carter and people like him, Israel would not even exist.
To call him anti-Jewish, or for that matter anyone else who has a problem with a government that has engaged in torture, theft of land, destruction of property, use of banned weapons in civillian areas, repression of minorities within its own borders, or its government, in this case, approximately 20% of the Knesset openly calling for all of the Palestinians, including the ones who live in and are Israeli citizens, to be thrown into the sea, is not anti-Jewish, it merely means they have a problem with policy and programs that are just wrong.
It is wrong when the U.S. government has done such things as denying people rights, it was wrong when South Africa did such things, its wrong when China does such things, its wrong when Burma does such things. Wrong is wrong, pointing that out does not make anyone anti-American, anti-Chinese or anti-Jewish or anti-Burma. To claim otherwise, as some of you have, is a disgrace and is intellectually dishonest and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
4) While some of you here have claimed that Israel is such a democracy with rights etc, that is true if you are of Jewish descent. However if you are not, then it is a different story. Israel is determined to be Jewish state, which is not really different form Iran deciding that it must be a Muslim state. NOT exactly good company to be in with.
For that matter, it makes as much sense as certain groups in this country who think the U.S. is for and by white Christians.
In fact, on this point, Israel recently passed a law legalizing the practice of admission counsels on whether people can or can not live in an area based on "social suitability" This is simply racist and nothing else. Arabs are 20% of the population in Israel but only hold 8 of 120 seats in the Knesset. 50% of Arabs in Israel live in poverty, Arab political parties are routinely banned for taking part in elections in Israel. Indeed, the Or Commission found that “Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory,” and noted, “evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system and substantially defective infrastructure.”
and Tzipi Livni called on schoolchildren to tell Arab-Israelis that “Your national aspirations lie elsewhere."
According to the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, "Israeli Arabs" are discriminated (against) in almost every aspect of their lives," including employment, housing, education, healthcare, land, infrastructure, political representation, personal safety, No Arab town or community has a government operated hospital, mental health clinic, or geriatric nursing home, Water access is restricted by Israel's national water company. In 2011 Israel's health ministry reported reported serious disparities between Arabs and Jews, including heart disease mortality;infant mortality; life expectancy;mortality from strokes;diabetes mortality;
greater incidence of all kinds of cancer; and cancer mortality. It concluded its report with Israel's "intentional neglect of social inequalities in education, infrastructure, poverty, and access to the job market have led to chronic disparities in health between Arabs and Jews."
These ARE NOT the actions of an enlightened democracy, so for those of you who act that Israel is some wonderful bastion of freedom and democracy, the facts simply do not bear that out, and there are serious fundamental problems of fairness within the country, and to point those problems out is NOT anti-Jewish. To be clear here, that is within its own borders, and not even looking that problems with the territories, which really is different set of problems.
4) Israel would not exist for more than a few minutes without continued U.S. welfare tax dollars, and they know it, which is part of the reason why you see such insane and intemperate rhetoric by certain parties on this board and elsewhere.
5) The co-op has not said we don't like Jewish people so we won't buy from Israel. What they have said, as I understand it, is We don't like Israels government policies so we wont buy and thereby support those policies. That is no different that boycotts that took place in the 80s of South African products.
If a private organization like the co-op does not want to buy products from a country that they see as having a rotten government, then who are you to tell them they can't? And who are you to call them racists?
Feb. 25, 2012, 4:02 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
anyone ever notice the Jews are the only whatever that u00s not gone to war, a crusade, a shoah about which god is better - frigging muslims murder over cartoons - so where is the outrage - hey the american indians pretty much got boned in patootie but the slope isnt to worried - lets see the coop boycott the next honor killing - like the old song says "........and everybody hates the Jews" lets clean this bs up and deal with China who makes most of what you wear at the expense of American jobs (though granted the corporate boards raped the USa workers)
Feb. 25, 2012, 9:38 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, the Palestinians may have lived as individuals, but never as an actual nation. Despite these variations, it wasn't independent. The most they ever had was a puppet government that was subordinate to whoever was ruling it, but that was it. If you have to use the name "Occupied Palestine", then this goes all the way back to the Romans. BTW, the Jews were still living there even shortly after the Diaspora in 135 when the Romans forced them out. It was proven false when the Palestinians and other Arabs were forced out when many of them actually left on their own, but when the Jews left from the rest of the region, they only left with the clothes on their backs, while leaving everything else behind, and they were forced to leave, but I never hear a right to return. As for the Israeli War of Independence, that was started when after the Palestinians attacked a cease-fire line in response to rejecting the partition plan.
Feb. 25, 2012, 9:41 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
RAlti, to add to your statement, Israel hasn't just shown their hospitality to the Palestinians time and time again, but also to the rest of the world. I can remember that after tsunami in the Indian Ocean back in 2004, they gave numerous aid to Indonesia and other countries that were victimized by this when the OPEC nations were hesitant and gave almost nothing. The same with the earthquake in Haiti. BTW, Israel was probably the only country in the region to welcome the Darfur refugees when most of the region didn't want them. Despite the recent disputes with Turkey, Israel still helped the victims of the earthquake that was there just because they cared. Again, I was born in Israel and have family living there, but being for it has nothing to do with what side of the political spectrum, because I have seen liberals that are just as pro-Israel, and I do know that major politicians such as Schumer and even former Rep Anthony Weiner support Israel and they are hard core liberals. Even State Speaker Sheldon Silver is pro-Israel, and he to is a liberal, and there are probably a lot more of liberal pro-Israel politicians besides the ones I am just mentioning right now.
Feb. 25, 2012, 9:51 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
One other thing, Israel is the most diverse country in the Mid East. They don't just have Jews, Christians, and even Muslims practicing their own religion freely, but they even have a number of Buddhists, Bahians, and Druze living there in big numbers compared to anywhere else in the region where they would be persecuted just for not being Muslim. As a matter of fact, Israel is the only country where the Bedouins actually are settling in, though still living in tent cities, compared to be nomadic everywhere else. Just recently, I heard that Iran has shown fanaticism again by executing a Christian pastor. Let's not forget that the Taliban was known for destroying Buddhist statues over in Afghanistan. Also, Israel respects many other religious sites especially the ones that aren't Jewish, but the same isn't the case for much of the rest of the region on non-Muslim sites. As for protests, there have been many of them against the actions of the Knesset and PM by their own people, and none of them were ever stopped by authorities unlike what happened in Iran not that long ago. Once again, who are the real oppressors here?
Feb. 25, 2012, 10:08 pm
ty from pps says:
No persecution... well, other than not being allowed to actually have proportional representation in the Knesset.
Feb. 25, 2012, 10:24 pm
Scott from Windsor Terrace says:
You guys break me up!
Speaking AS A MEMBER of the Park Slope Food COOP I should inform you all- remind you all- that the first thing to happen is that there will be a vote on the proposal to include a referendum on the NEXT vote about the boycott. Meaning that there needs to be a vote about a possible vote. Second of all- 90 % of all Coop members (15,000) couldn't care less about this issue. In fact most just want it to go away.
For me the issue comes down to resisting the faction that terms anyone who has sympathy for the Palestinians an"anti-semite", which is what this debate has turned into. Let's have a vote about whether to debate this in the open and stop calling people names to intimidate them.
Finally, if we have pissed off Glenn Beck we must have done something right although he has proved to be too stupid to be dangerous.
Feb. 26, 2012, 7:51 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Scott, if that is the case, then just start selling Israeli products again. The claim on that they oppress the Palestinians is completely false and sometimes even overrstated to make it sound bad. If you want to see some real oppression, then cross the border into Syria, and you will see how many places got attacked by their own dictator, but I am not hearing any outcries on that. Also, known of those so-called peacefull flotillas went there either, because their main priority was to just protest Israel and only Israel while ignoring the rest of the region. Where was the PSFC when Hamas launched numerous qassam rockets on numerous Israeli towns especially shortly after the disengagement back in 2005? My guess was probably being silent on that. It seems that for the most part whenever Israel gets attacked, the world is silent, but when Israel responds, Bedlam errupts.
Feb. 26, 2012, 11:39 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, where you just brought up the British Mandate of Palestine is more proof that Palestine was never independent prior to the independence of Israel. As a matter of fact, the British wanted the Jews especially from their country and the rest of Europe to go there after passing the Balfour Decloration. Nevertheless, a mandate doesn't make anything independent. Unlike a colony, they can only hold to a part of land for a certain amount of time, and then decide when that ends if they want to have it longer or just let it go. Again, it was the Jews who accepted the partition plan by the UN, while the Palestinians and Arabs didn't. It was the Palestinains that started the very war, and even then, they acted like victims despite that. I am proud every year to march in the Salute to Israel Day Parade up 5th Avenue, but it would be nice if it got more coverage, which is what many others do.
Feb. 26, 2012, 11:47 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
This probably brings up a good time to bring up the settlements that many keep getting wrong. First off, the settlements in the West Bank were built in areas that the Palestinians didn't touch for decades, so it wasn't as if they were actually take land from them especially if they didn't even use. Also, the Knesset has NEVER forced their people to live there unlike when the Chineese government did that on Tibet. Even after agreeing to a unilateral withdrawl back in 2005, Hamas still launched qassam rockets anyway, and even continued to do so whenever they got the chance to do it even right now. Don't forget that PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas refused to have peace talks with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu durring the time he agreed to have a 9 month settlment freeze, which shows who was really refusing to have peace.
Feb. 26, 2012, 2:15 pm
Scott from Windsor Place says:
Tal- whoever the hell you are- lets clarifyabout Israeli products- WE NEVER stopped selling them! You truly don't know what the hell is going on. Your obvious domination of the Comments and your screed about everything BUT the Food Coop just indicates what a fanatic you are. It's a vote to include a sanctions action possibility on a referendum. It's about paprika and seltzer machines and a small amount of produce. IF the referendum passes (and iprobably won't) it will be almost wholly symbolic. Its about democracy in action. Please don't let these facts get in the way of your well informed flipout.
Feb. 26, 2012, 2:50 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- you're ridiculous. One-sided, absurdity. Since you are basically spouting off the irrational talking points of the right-wing Israeli hardliners.... there's no point trying to have a discussion with you.

Like I said before, the Warsaw Ghetto-style wall built around the West Bank has NOTHING to do with security and everything to do with a dehumanizing political power play by the Israeli Gov't.
Feb. 26, 2012, 3:32 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Just spoke with a buddy (Brooklyn born and raised) and he is looking to organize or at least help get the word out to protest the anti semetice Jew hating apologists for terror - hey - where is the outrage over womens rights in the ME

mazel tov (I am not Jewish)
Feb. 26, 2012, 5:08 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, once again, you continue to ride the myth that anti-Israel crowd shouts out. First off, I am a liberal, and there are many liberal politicians that are pro-Israel and that alone includes both of our senators such as Schummer and Gillibrand. That wall you speak of is really a security fence. Before that, there was a checkpoint that the IDF placed to check everyone in making sure they won't enter just to do a terrorist attack. Before actually making that fence, the Knesset actually renedged on the idea 34 years before that, because they thought that they were being paranoid. After a number of terrorist attacks, they realized that it was needed afterall. It was supposed to be built along what defined the border of the West Bank, and then more Hamas attacks forced it to be moved in further. However, the claim of where it got built was legit, because the immediate area from the West Bank border is the Green Zone there, and nobody lived there anyway. The fence is actually a benefit to both sides, because for Israel, they don't have to always IDF soldiers patrolling the area, while it has prevented many attacks from Hamas when it was up. I find it an irony that they countries protesting that fence never took the ones they had to seperate their borders, and even the UN placed a security in front of their central office.
Feb. 26, 2012, 5:15 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Apparently you can claim to be a liberal (here) and still parrot the ISRAELI right-wing hardliners! Actually you're quite good at it.
Feb. 26, 2012, 5:25 pm
RAlti from Midwood says:
Tal, please don't bother anymore. Your posts are well done. Non accusatory, and factually accurate. However, Ty's only purpose is to spew hatred. He doesn't want a solution, he just wants to fight. I hate to see you try so hard to get your point across, only to have it shot down disrespectfully, regardless of whether or not you are right. People like this have their minds made up. There's really nothing we can say or do. They do not want peace. They want war. Let's just walk away, and take with us the pride we have, knowing we're the better individuals.
Feb. 26, 2012, 7:29 pm
ty from pps says:
RAlti -- Most of what Tal says (on this topic and, really, this topic alone) is actually quite factual... you're right. I'm actually impressed since most of the time he's talking like a crazy person about how bicycle lanes are terrorism.

But he's wearing blinders and only seeing ONE side of the situation. He is ABSOLUTELY stating the exact position of the farthest right of the Israeli hardliners. Is it based on facts? Sure. Does it conveniently ignore sooooooo many other aspect of the reality of the situation and suffer from severe cognitive bias? (specifically "fundamental attribution error" bias and "self-serving bias") Oh Hell Yes.
Feb. 26, 2012, 7:37 pm
ty from pps says:
For example --
His comment about the illegal settlements in the West Bank. His argument is basically "the Jewish settlers are only settling on land that the Palestinians aren't using anyway. What's the big deal?"

So, I guess it would be fine if Mexicans just set up settlements in "unused" parts of the U.S. right?
Feb. 26, 2012, 7:39 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
so all are sorry and worried about camel jockies - how abou native amerian land who you live a b stone i=on ahh polictical convenience - white chicks lol
Feb. 26, 2012, 7:44 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, the blockade on the Gaza Strip is there for similar reasons. Since that land has direct access to the Mediteranean Sea, it will be easy for Hamas to get all the military aid they need. BTW, one of the flotillas that tried to cross the blockade brought out clubs and hit the IDF who boarded it after giving numerous warnings not to cross the blockade. This resulted in the passangers being shot, but this was after the IDF got attacked first, not the other way around. According to the Geneva Convention, Israel did absolutely nothing wrong in that event and acted responsibility in that matter. However, if you really want Israel to lift all blockades and barriers on the Palestinians, then convince Hamas to stop the attacks.
Feb. 26, 2012, 8:38 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The whole thing is completely off tangent b/c of the usual antisemitic positions and ludacrous comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany. The only communality that I can see is between Hamas, Palestinian terrorists and of course the bike zealouts of streetsbloggers. Having lived in Israel, I can testify that many palestinians ride their bikes everyday in motor lanes paid for by Israeli taxpayers. Even while they treat their women like chattel. If you never lived there, you really don't know.
Feb. 28, 2012, 12:47 pm
NYCISGONE says:
The neocons/likkuds are dangerous and basically neofascist

The muslim religion is pretty much lunacy

The US is attempting a hegemonic takeover of the planet

China is a totalitarian state ( but I dont see many people calling for boycotts over their torture of Tibetans?)

Trying to defend any of these is a fool's errand.
Feb. 29, 2012, 8:21 am
Habibi from Windsor Terrace says:
Without addressing the extremism of right-wing politicians or the hypocrisy of so-called liberals, I'd like to insert a thought: this isn't weapons or gold or oil that we are talking about, it's produce and it's grown by farmers, not politicians.
Better to boycott oil and goods made from slave labor, no?
March 1, 2012, 2:57 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
It is interesting to watch how violently people thrash when they lose their control of the narrative on an issue.

As Israel tries to drag us into another war in the Middle East, more and more Americans are asking themselves who are these people, and why do they take billions of our tax dollars and then try to lead us around by the nose? Are they all really so gung-ho on war, or are there other voices there who would choose a different path?

And while the American people are waking up out of the PR-induced coma of the last 40 years, and asking basic questions like those above, Tal and Raita and others run around like lunatics trying to beat them back into silence with that old "you're just an anti-Semite grrrr!!!" stick.
March 2, 2012, 1:08 pm
CARRIE from WINDSOR TERRACE says:
I am all for boycotting Israeli hummus at the co-op. This way when the co-op stocks their shelves with products from Syria and Saudi Arabia and other such enlightened nations, theywill be exposed in all their hypocritical glory.
March 4, 2012, 3:20 am
Estelle from Crown Heights says:
i just checked out the Whole Foods website. there will soon be a Whole Foods in Brooklyn.
so when the co-op boycotts hummus. customers can boycott the co-op.
March 4, 2012, 1:52 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
the boycott is a vote of solidarity about arab human rights, womens rights and gay and lesbian rights - woman fetch the stick* salaamma balamma - these people are perhaps a generation form pooping in the sand - you really cannot expect much. now of course China goods are ok (stellar human rights for sure). how about american indians the slopers brownstone brooklyn and big bucks sit on - hmmm very quet about - if you want to demand "justice" why not start at home as a famous Jewish guy saul mentioned. mazel tov
March 4, 2012, 4:28 pm
joey from b'hurst says:
What is the problem with buying produce farmed in America.
March 6, 2012, 3:50 pm

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