Rebel yell! Ridge man proudly displays the Confederate flag!

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Will the south of Brooklyn rise again?

Judging by the looks of the Confederate flag hanging from a terrace on the southern side of the Bay Ridge Towers, it’s certainly a possibility.

The incongruous banner — considered a symbol of hatred and oppression by some but merely a sign of Southern pride by others — waves from 16th floor of the 30-story co-op tower at the corner of Fourth Avenue and 65th Street, roughly 100 miles north of the old Mason-Dixon line.

But the man behind the controversial flag told The Brooklyn Paper that his civil war isn’t against the Union Army — it’s against the liberals on Union Street.

“I do it is because I’m against political correctness,” the Bay Ridge Reb, who would only give the name Mike, told The Brooklyn Paper. “People who are politically correct don’t agree with that flag — it’s my one-man protest.

“The left likes to say they celebrate diversity,” he added. “I guess that’s what I’m doing.”

Mike insists that when he hung the Confederate flag more than a year ago, he wasn’t trying to promote racist views, but merely to show support for Southern heritage and values in a hotbed of Yankee liberalism (Bay Ridge?).

“Anything having to do with the South or white people is smeared by sophisticated snotnoses in the north,” said Mike, who repeatedly stated that he is not racist and has friends of multiple races who are not offended by the banner. “They make Southerners into bumpkins — and that’s not the case.

“Any other flag for any other nationality or country isn’t a big deal, but this flag creates controversy,” he stated, referring to his version of the Confederate banner, the third such flag he has hung (the past two succumbed to “dry rot”).

His version of the Confederate flag, long a logo for hate groups, includes the statement “Rebel Pride” and a small cartoon image depicting “Colonel Reb,” a former University of Mississippi mascot who was officially retired in 2003 amidst much controversy.

“I see other flags flying, so if they fly their flags, I’m going to fly my flag,” said Mike, who has also mounted two much smaller American flags on his terrace.

That’s his right — but that doesn’t mean that Brooklynites are happy about it.

“This is America, but personally, I think it’s really sad,” said a Bay Ridge resident who gave his name as Malik. “I thought that we got past the whole slavery thing when it was abolished. Apparently, certain people still believe in it.”

Mike insists the flag isn’t a sign of racism and claims he actually has confederates within the Bay Ridge Towers who support the banner — but other residents of the co-op complex said the Dixie flag doesn’t belong in Brooklyn.

“I want to stay far away from those people [who have Confederate flags],” said one resident of the Towers who requested anonymity. “We’re free to fly any flag we want, but I’m not crazy about it. We won the war. You should fly the American flag.

“It makes me feel angry and extremely uncomforta­ble,” she added.

This isn’t the first time the so-called “Stars and Bars” has caused uproar.

Politicians and pundits battled in 2000 over the display of a Rebel flag atop the South Carolina Capitol. The banner was removed from the roof and placed in a memorial to Confederate soldiers on Statehouse grounds.

And as recently as April, controversy erupted in an Alabama cemetery regarding the placement and subsequent removal of Confederate flags.

But controversy about the Dixie banner has hardly reached Brooklyn.

In fact, the last time a Confederate flag riled up so many Brooklynites was when a Union Navy captain unfurled a captured Dixie banner in a South Williamsburg school in 1894, a gesture that “was greeted not with a rebel yell, but with a vigorous Northern hiss from nearly 2,000 public school children,” according to the New York Times, a Manhattan newspaper.

Considering that the Bay Ridge Rebel flag is on private property, even those who don’t agree with the symbol told The Brooklyn Paper they were left in the same position as former President James Buchanan, who did little to stop the rise of the Confederacy.

“It’s their home. People are going to make their own decisions, said Danielle Ayala, of Sunset Park. “At the end of the day, what can you do?”

Updated 5:33 pm, July 30, 2009
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Reasonable discourse

get over it, you lost from bay ridge says:
“Any other flag for any other nationality or country isn’t a big deal, but this flag creates controversy,” he stated, referring to his version of the Confederate banner, the third such flag he has hung (the past two succumbed to “dry rot”)."

Oh yeah, the Nazi flag and hammer and sickle just blend into the fabric of every community. Hopefully, he will fall off of his balcony while trying to untangle his flag. The only good thing to say about this wanna be redneck is that at least he lets the whole world knows what to aim for.
July 29, 2009, 12:17 am
Tarheel from Bay Ridge says:
Speaking as a Southerner: This guy IS a bumpkin, and a sorry case of arrested development. His sole purpose is to get attention -- and he apparently can do so only by creating "controversy" and pissing people off.

And please don't give me the cliche' that his "friends of multiple races" aren't upset by the flag: A whole lot depends on how friend-ish they are, their "races" and what that flag says to them, and how candid they're being.

Plus ... friends often make exceptions for behavior and eccentricities that would be patently offensive to others. THEY might know some guy to be a joker or buffoon, or won't be "offended" by his collection of nude centerfolds, religious-proselytizing signage, Nazi gear, et al. But the stuff will have considerably different impact if it's shoved in the public's face, specifically to offend others.
(Sure, he has free speech. But "free" isn't always synonymous with "adult," "civil" or "sane.")

Wonder how free-speech supportive his "confederates" would be if someone in the Towers flew a desecrated U.S. flag as a political statement, or flew a banner that had well-known and VERY hateful connotations for their own ethnic/religious/racial group ... especially if it was being flown to BE offensive, and to ridicule their sensitivity.
July 29, 2009, 3:58 am
Pacholo from Red Hook says:
Fact: The South lost the Civil War. The South agreed with slavery and racism, the flag displayed is just stupidity and ignorance.The display of this flag shows that this man admires losers, is out of touch with reality and probably doesn't have cable tv.
July 29, 2009, 1:30 pm
guy from bensonhusrt says:
lighten up on him.
July 29, 2009, 2:27 pm
nevergoingback to BR from park slope says:
unfortunately, this man represents what most of Bay Ridge is about. This is one conservative republican racist town that i dont ever want to go back to. I will stay in diversified colorful and liberal Park Slope. thank you.
July 29, 2009, 7 pm
Michelle from PLG says:
I guess hes the one that stole lady liberty from vox-pop

July 29, 2009, 7:57 pm
Jerky from Manhattan says:
I'm surprised his Co-op Board hasn't had a talk with him. I'd be 99% sure that house rules say that he can't display flags and banners on the exterior of the building.
And BTW, he sounds like every redneck Southern idiot I've met who has a huge inferiority complex hiding behind his 'Southern Pride' or 'Freedom to Express Himself'. Yeah, Bubba Stix, whatever.
July 29, 2009, 11:51 pm
poptn from TN. says:
The Confederate Battle Flag With The "St Andrews Cross"
was not the only Confederate Battle Flag, but She was the most known and used late in that great war. She is the most, hated, debated, misrepresented and beloved of all Confederate symbols. She has been tarnished by groups as the, naacp "by way of slander", kkk, aryan nation, skinheads, neo nazi, white supremacy clowns...Just to name a few. She was not a national flag, nor was She a politician's flag, and most defiantly not a flag of hate!..."She was a soldier's flag" a banner of courage, honour and a call to duty. She was a rallying point for battling warriors. Many died to keep Her safe and out of enemy hands, this Flag was stained with the blood of our Southron patriots... She also is a symbol against tyranny. Last, and most important. SHE WAS AN AMERICAN FLAG!!
July 30, 2009, Midnight
Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. from Palm Beach County, Fla. says:
With this country marching lock-step with O'Bama towards socialism and communism, someday most Americans will realise too late that the cause of the South, (liberty and States rights) was the cause of us all.
Those half-wits and full idiots who dare compare the Noble Banner of the South with the swastika are beneath contempt. They are among those jack-booted thugs who are in lock-step with O'Bama, marching towards a so-called "workers paradise" as they used to call the old Soviet Union.
Dont you people even remember why it failed? After more than 70 years?
July 30, 2009, 11:03 am
Laughing Wildly from Brooklyn says:
Jimmy L. Shirley says: "the cause of the South, (liberty and States rights) was the cause of us all."

Liberty to own slaves, and states' rights to base their economies on that.
You lose. And lost.
July 30, 2009, 11:10 am
joe duke from florida says:
just for educational purposes . the term 'stars and bars'actually refers to the first national flag of the confederacy, not the current 'rebel' flag whitch is the flag in this story . thanks j
July 30, 2009, 11:13 am
Laughing Wildly from Brooklyn says:
PS to Jimmy L. Shirley: Ever read South Carolina's 1860 "Causes of Secession"? Its objections to states-rights "violations" include the following gem:
"[A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution."
July 30, 2009, 11:19 am
Clifton Palmer McLendon from Upshur County, Texas says:
The nickname "Stars and Bars" properly refers to the First National Flag of the Confederate States of America. Whereas the United States Flag has thirteen stripes red and white and white stars in a blue field, the Stars and Bars had three broad stripes or bars red-white-red and stars in a blue field. The Confederate Battle Flag with its starry X (called a saltire) is nicknamed "The Southern Cross."

Those who still believe the War of 1861-1865 was fought over slavery don't know history. They have never heard of the Corwin Amendment. They do not realize that all American slave ships sailed out of Northern (mostly New England) ports, nor that the United States Capitol was built with slave labor, nor that one of the largest slave markets in the United States was located in New York City.

As for the Confederate Flag being "a logo for hate groups": Both the Ku Kluxers and the American Nazis make heavy use of the United States Flag. Why does that not make it "a logo for hate groups" as well?

Rather than maligning Mike for expressing his views vexilogically, let those who disagree with his views express themselves vexilogically -- let them fly whatever flags suit them.
July 30, 2009, 11:42 am
JPE from Brooklyn says:
He has every right under the 1st Amendment to display his flag. Any call for forced removal reveals real bigotry --denying to others what you reserve for yourself.
July 30, 2009, 12:21 pm
R.T.K. from South Brooklyn says:
I "know history," and am fully aware of the Corwin Amendment/New England slave ships/the Capitol/NY slave market.
"History" also indicates that the South viewed slavery as an economic and Biblically-condoned necessity, that the South fought to continue slavery after it had been abolished in the North, and that New England and New York were the centers of the abolitionist movement.
At one time, racial segregation also was viewed as "acceptable" in both North and South. Does that excuse the South's 'way-late insistence on maintaining it?
July 30, 2009, 12:48 pm
David Gass from Villa Rica says:
Stars and bars? Racism? Slavery? Is there anything in this story that is factual?
July 30, 2009, 4:13 pm
Paul Cat from Tampa says:
It's diversity and tolerance for all except those who chose to honor the Confederacy or their ancestors from the South. Why is it Southerners are the only group left that can be maligned with so much contempt???
July 30, 2009, 4:41 pm
Elisabeth from Lower East Side says:
Paul Cat: "Why is it Southerners are the only group left that can be maligned with so much contempt???"

Maybe because they seem to always be on the wrong side of history? For the past 200 years, the south has made some of the most ignorant and close-minded political and social decisions. Southerners have: fought to keep slaves, fought to maintain segregation, worked against environmental protection, actively discriminated against homosexuals and still believe that abstinence-only education is a good idea.

With some of the lowest literacy and high school/college graduation rates, the region has only cemented it's backwards, regressive image. If you want people to stop making fun of the south, why don't you all get real and join us in the 21st century?
July 30, 2009, 5 pm
Kat from Tennessee says:
Thank goodness I no longer live in the North! Gosh, what ignorance lies up in that land of lies.
As a Yankee born and bred, I've come to learn what untruths Yankee's speak!!
I've adopted Dixie as my home, and I shall stand proud of her!! I've learned much, if only the deceitful Yankee's learned the truth!!
And as a States War reenactor, and historian, there were many UNION supporters who also owned slaves. The South are not traders. Lincoln the Tyrant invaded the South and many Yankee's raped, stole and abused Southern civilians!! SHAME!!
Look at General William T. Sherman, that horrid beast!! Who burned homes of innocent people.
God Bless the South!!
July 30, 2009, 5:03 pm
Kat from Tennessee says:

"......Elisabeth from Lower East Side says:

Maybe because they seem to always be on the wrong side of history? For the past 200 years, the south has made some of the most ignorant and close-minded political and social decisions. Southerners have: fought to keep slaves, fought to maintain segregation, worked against environmental protection, actively discriminated against homosexuals and still believe that abstinence-only education is a good idea.

With some of the lowest literacy and high school/college graduation rates, the region has only cemented it's backwards, regressive image. If you want people to stop making fun of the south, why don't you all get real and join us in the 21st century?......."

Where did you get your information from? Oh yes, that's right, your a Yankee. You've been brainwashed by Yankee's into believing what they say is truth.

Well honey, Southerners are not "backwards" "uneducated" nor ignorant. I lived in Boston for thirty years. Was born and raised there. It wasn't until I moved South and researched more of the Southern view of the War that I learned the truth.
99% of the Confederate soldiers didn't even own slaves. So how do you figure they went to war to fight for slavery?
Obviously you've never been South. And please do us a favor, stay out. We don't need Yankee trash littering our land.
July 30, 2009, 5:10 pm
Brooklyn Guy from County of Kings says:
Amazing how a very-very local Brooklyn NY news site suddenly has developed a Florida-Tenn.-Texas fan club.

Too bad we can't do a Tolerance Test - have someone move to an equivalent location & building in your locale(s) and fly a huge Confederate flag ... but with an enormous "X" painted across it.
You know -- just to be Politically Incorrect, aggravate the neighbors, exercise our First Amendment rights, and express our opinion of the 'states rights' masquerade.
July 30, 2009, 6:24 pm
"ignorant" southerner says:
just so you know, thats not the stars and bars nor is it the confederate flag that we flew in the civil war....thats the battle flag of the state of VA...the national confederate flag is nowhere to be who's ignorant now.
July 30, 2009, 8:56 pm
Glad I Left Virginia! from NYC says:
"ignorant" southerner says --- "thats the battle flag of the state of VA...the national confederate flag is nowhere to be who's ignorant now."

In that case
#1, The guy who's flying it is awful ignorant, since he seems to think it's "Confederate," is flying it AS that, and hasn't said, "Actually, it's the Va battle flag."
#2, Also ignorant are the Fl, Tenn, and Texas guys who posted here and didn't say "hey, it's the Va battle flag."
July 30, 2009, 11:26 pm
VaSteve from Union occupied VA says:
"slavery had been abolished in the North" ReallY? MD?DEL? FYI-there were 5 Union slave states in that war.Add KY,MO,and right in the middle of the war "to get rid of slavery" West VA joins the a slave state.What?
Did "they" teach you WVA left because they were against slavery?Sorry,they lied to you about that,too.Please,look it up but not in your high school history book.
July 31, 2009, 7:38 am
Laughing Wildly from Brooklyn says:
VaSteve & others -- gosh, did the South plan to eliminate slavery, not extend it elsewhere, and abolish fugitive-slave laws?
Why oh why did that S.C secession statement SPECIFICALLY cite nonslaveholding states' "hostility" to slavery? Was that an anomaly?
Please refight your war in your own backyard.
July 31, 2009, 8:27 pm
Resident from Bay Ridge says:
I say let "Mike" fly the damn flag. BUT he definitely should not be allowed to fly it from the 16th floor where no one can see it.

Instead, I say make him display the flag on his car where it can be clearly seen by everyone each time he drives his car. Mike, don't hesitate to flaunt your "Rebel Pride!"

Let's guess how that scenario will play out in the real world.
Aug. 1, 2009, 1:40 am
Also too from Bay Ridge says:
You're right, Resident - He's effectively using the whole BUILDING to make his personal statement. That shields him from others' free-speech responses to HIS free speech.

Why not make it more personal and direct: Put a Confed. flag on his car, or wear a Confed.-flag button or jacket?
That way he could engage in a personal exchange of views and "educate" others (though he doesn't seem to know much about this flag, and is just using it as an irritant).
Aug. 1, 2009, 11:18 am
Bay Ridge For Life from Bay Ridge says:
The flag was meant as a regiment battle flag. A way for the men to tell where they were fighting at the battle of bull run. It's meaning has been hijacked and desecrated along the way. It sits in the Smithsonian along with many other flags from US history. It has long been flown as a statement of rebellion against almost anything. It is also a symbol of southern pride.

This man's actions are more to be scrutinized that his flag. What kind of person is he really? Are we making judgements without really knowing? Is everyone who flies the American Flag truly a patriot who embodies all goodness and right? I hardly think so.

And let's not make a mountain out of a molehill...Bo & Luke Duke drove the 'General Lee', which had the 'stars and bars' painted on top and the horn played 'Dixie' and everyone loved that show, it ran for 6 or 7 seasons!
Aug. 1, 2009, 4:48 pm
Tommy from PS says:
I agree -- this guy's actions are more important than the flag itself.
Those who are defending the flag, explaining its history, etcetera, don't seem to "get" it. This man is using the flag as an antisocial tool -- to be "politically incorrect" and have a "one-man protest" against "sophisticated snotnoses."
If Confederate-flag lovers think that's appropriate ... well, fine. But I wouldn't want any flag I cared about to be used as a weapon by some nitwit who wanted attention, couldn't find another way to get it, and whose reasons for displaying the flag associated it with nutty-negative behavior.
And, to Bay Ridge for Life -- I'm not gonna judge his interior life ... just the public part - where he boasts that he's doing this to BE irritating, and claims that Yankee "snotnoses" smear anything about the South and "white people." He doesn't sound like the brightest crayon in the box.
Aug. 1, 2009, 10:46 pm
A visitor from Tennessee says:
I apologize for the actions and words of my fellow Southerners. A good number of us are appalled and embarrassed by the continued use of the Confederate flag.

Please don't judge all of us by the actions of a few. We're tired of it, too, and we're tired of those who fly that flag playing the victim card when they're called out on their actions.
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:08 pm
Richmond Native from South Brooklyn says:
Thank you 'visitor from Tennessee' - you took the words right out of my mouth.

This Southerner also is tired of this "South shall rise again" bull, the permanent-victimhood, and re-spinning of history ('slavery? WHAT slavery?').
Don't judge us all by the neuroses of a few nutjobs.
Aug. 4, 2009, 1:05 am
Pacholo from Red Hook says:
This flag did not forever yet wave!
Aug. 5, 2009, 11:36 am
Big Dave from Dixie says:
I think all of you need to read Charles Adams book "When in the course of human events". He's a New Yorker that explains the real causes of the War of Northern Agression. Personally I'd love to live in the CSA. Yankees love to malign the South over slavery which was still legal in the North after the war. You think you are free now but what kind of freedom is it when you pay high property taxes, sales taxes, and income taxes?
You and I are all enslaved to the government of D.C. Down here I keep most of what I earn but up there in Yankee Heaven you suffer under the weight of bureacracy and high taxes. You might of won the war but your the ones who are defeated.
Aug. 6, 2009, 9:41 am
Resident from Carolina says:
I do not agree at all with the rise again actions of some people, but I do believe it is perfectly okay to fly a flag that represents their heritage.
Aug. 9, 2009, 9:30 pm
Jay Carter from Brooklyn says:
Basically, it does come down to the 1st ammendement. I moved here from the South 3 years ago and I love living here because you can do whatever, and be whomever, you want to be. However, when some people from New York hear my Southern accent they seem to go into "Oh wait, you're from the South, you must be a complete dumbass" mode. I know there are different mentalities between the North and the South but get real, we are all Americans and everyone deserves their God given right to express their feelings or opinions. Having said that, you have to be respectful for the environment you are in.
Obviously, there are always going to be differences between the North and South but it seems to me that if the New York that I have come to know and love will stay the same New York...then who gives a damn what someone else is doing. Get real New Yorkers, stay true to what everyone else likes about you and just don't care. Let everyone be themselves and get over it.
Aug. 10, 2009, 8:17 pm
RJ from Cobble Hill says:
How hard is it to understand that secession and the Confederacy were TREASON against the USA by any definition? Symbols of the Confederacy are not so much about pride, history or whatever other pablum used to defend them, but are instead celebrations of high treason.

Not "treason," the hobbyhorse dragged out by conservatives whenever a politician does something they don't like, but actually conspiring against one's own country, fighting and killing its own soldiers. Anyone who is proud of this should hang their head and shame and move to South America like many Confederate co-conspirators did over a century ago.

Sure, the guy has a right to fly his flag (building rules permitting), but I have the right to call him a jerk for celebrating treason, not to mention the murderers of thousands of Brooklynites.
Sept. 1, 2009, 2:32 pm
Contrary Mary from Bearden says:
My main point is>>>>>"considered." It's not a crime to hang one, it's only "considered" to be a racist sigma. Those that "considers" it so, should take a look at their ownselves! Thank you Malik! From all southerns, thank you!
Sept. 1, 2009, 6:19 pm
Brian from Queens says:
We "Yankees" still won the war, sorry.

I don't understand the people who try to defend his flag-hanging when the man is already quoted as intentionally being "politically incorrect." HE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THE NEGATIVITY OF FLYING SUCH A FLAG. YOU ARE MAKING FOOLS OF YOURSELVES.

The war didn't happen yesterday, it happened over a century ago, so please shut up and remember that we are one nation.
Sept. 1, 2009, 10:40 pm
WhipCracker from Mine own says:
Whites have long neglected their own heritage and their own pride; Whites have forgotten the sacrifices of their ancestors - and even condemned their ancestors for "crimes" against other races. Whites have forgotten that THEY - WHITES - created the greatest of all land and the greatest of all governments. The fairest and the most just of all people have been Whites.

The Confederate battle flag was flown above over 5,000 battles. None of them in defense of racialism - all of them in defense of free choice: Stay with the Union or leave and create a seperate, and possibly, better land.
Sept. 1, 2009, 11:12 pm
Mike Miller from Orlando says:

A'Way Up North In The Land Of Tolerance....
(they don't)

Sept. 2, 2009, 2:26 am
Scott from Southerner says:
Interestingly, "Malik" claims that he "thought we got over the whole slavery thing when it was abolished." Can Malik answer why the NAACP and other Black Pride/Power groups call for constant apologies, reparations, and understanding when THEY throw out the race card to defend irresponsible blacks?
Also, for the resident that chose to remain anonymous...“We’re free to fly any flag we want, but I’m not crazy about it. We won the war. You should fly the American flag." Guess what? We won the war against Mexico also but you still see a load of Mexican flags flown by supporters of la Raza and other pro-illegal group. Target real racists like La Raza and the NAACP.
Sept. 5, 2009, 2:41 am
PaleRider from the land of Cotton says:
I just love all the remarks of these 'tolerant' Yankees and Yankee-lovers (ex-Southerners). They only wish to tolerate those in complete agreement with themselves, it seems.

The Confederate battle flag in question is a symbol of the same spirit that allowed the colonists to 'secede' from Great Britain. So get over it, all you buffoons. I know it's tough, but a good intellectual exercise is to keep two opposing viewpoints in your mind at the same time. Y'all should try it some time.

Now, to continue, that same fighting spirit that remains true to the ideals of our Founding Fathers lives on, primarily in the South, and is the one thing that will save part of these United States from becoming the next Venezuela. You see, as the North becomes more and more socialist, the South will retain its preference for individual liberty and free enterprise, effectively rising once again!

Deo vindice.

Sept. 11, 2009, 12:25 pm
Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. from Palm Beach county, Fla. says:
I love this very accurate description of yankees.
""A meddling Yankee troubles himself about every body's matters except his own and repents of everybody's sins except his own.""
OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 2, vol 5, Part 1 (Prisoners of War) p. 389-390
GOLDSBOROUGH, N. C., March 24, 1863.
OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 2, vol 5, Part 1 (Prisoners of War) p. 389-390
GOLDSBOROUGH, N. C., March 24, 1863.
This was accurate then, is even more so today.

Oct. 1, 2009, 8:15 pm
Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. from Palm Beach county, Fla. says:
The cause of the South, to all you naysayers, was the right of the State to conduct the affairs of the State without federal interference.
You people forget you were the ones who traded in slaves. And, according to the book, Complicity, you people continued the trade well into the 1950's, because of the ivory business. At least if not technically "slavery" certainly the Black Africans who transported the ivory to the coast paid for it with their lives.

An excerpt: Connecticut's ivory businesses shaped elephants' teeth into the stuff and substance of 19th-century life, and brought constant innovation to the complex tasks of exporting, cutting and refining ivory. When their market expanded from baubles and combs to home entertainment - pianos and billiard balls - the ivory men kept pace. They had their era's complete and misplaced confidence in the renewability of natural resources, and the conviction that good things succeeded.

Smithsonian curator David Shayt, who has extensively researched Connecticut's ivory industry, estimates that between 1884 and 1911, nearly 10 million pounds of unworked ivory were brought into the United States. The per-pound price on the New York market ranged from $1.80 to $4. That's a minimum figure of nearly $18 million - or about $310 million in today's currency.
Oct. 1, 2009, 8:37 pm
Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. from Palm Beach county, Fla. says:
Working from the company records, he estimates that between 1870 and 1900, at least 200,000 tusks were used by Comstock, Cheney. If every tusk represents the death or enslavement of five people, then the Ivoryton company affected 1 million Africans. Bring Pratt, Read into the equation - and during the last decade of the 19th century the Deep River company actually handled more ivory than Comstock, Cheney - and the estimate becomes 2 million lives affected.
Oct. 1, 2009, 8:38 pm
Ashley Hestand from Texas says:
I just wanted to point out that the flag shown is not in fact the "stars and bars" as stated by the author. That is the second flag referred to as "the stainless banner".

The first national confederate flag refereed to as the "stars and bars" was a flag resembling the American flag but with only three bars (think stripes) two red and one white in the middle, the blue section was the same with a circle of stars representing the states that had joined the union and the number changed as more states joined.

The 'stainless banner' flag was adopted later due to confusion on the battle field and is considered the battle flag.
Oct. 25, 2010, 8:26 pm
Cinaed from Louisiana says:
Brian from Queens says: "so please shut up and remember that we are one nation."

Spoken like a Lincolnite Brown-shirt! The South is part of the union only by force. And your boys won ONLY when your best generals directed the war against defenseless women, children and old men. Right now, southern men make up close to 60% of combat arms personnel. Without southern men staffing the US military, your empire is nothing. And ironically enough, without southern support, the Republican party is nothing too. It's time, once again, that we left. You despise us; we despise you. The feeling is mutual. You could not have won ANY single conflict post WBTS without the active participation of southern men, men who loved Dixie, yet their efforts are for nothing because their own government despises them and despises us now. Adios yankee scum, the South is rising again.
Aug. 5, 2012, 9 pm
Cinaed from Louisiana says:
One more thing about this citizen displaying a modified version of the Confederate Battle flag: some have said on this page that the flag is "associated" with slavery, yet that accolade is not given to the US flag, the "Stars & Stripes" even though "slavery" is part of the US Constitution (Article 4, sec. 2) and flew over a union condoning slavery. The US flag is the only flag which accompanied the captured west Africans across the mid Atlantic voyage. If they could have looked upon the ensign marking the ship upon which they were held in bondage, that ensign would have been NONE OTHER than the US Stars & Stripes. To identify the Confederate battle flag with "slavery" is sheer buffoonery: southerners fought for independence and that is what that flag stands for. It stands for it now.
Aug. 5, 2012, 9:23 pm

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