Roofus: Court loss or not, Yards moves ahead

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This week, Roofus says what everyone knows: There is no stopping Atlantic Yards.

Updated 5:21 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Bob Scott from Brooklyn says:
Of course, Roofus and the Paper are only "half" right.

Nothing is likely to stop the Nets' arena … but the full Atlantic Yards buildout is a long way off. For the Yards beyond the arena, a lot can change.

The Paper should remember the difference between the arena (with its separate financing realities) and the rest.

After all, Atlantic Yards is "not just Nets."
Nov. 11, 2010, 7:38 am
Cristian from DUMBO says:
True enough!

However, the existence of the arena and even one or two buildings, whether the rest of it is EVER built, will go down in history, inseparably, as "Atlantic Yards," as ugly as the result is likely to be (both physically and otherwise)
Nov. 11, 2010, 9:42 am
Bob Scott from Brooklyn says:
Don't misunderstand … I think the cartoon's is exceptional. That the "little guy" in this fight was able to keep it up so long says something, even though in the end he's vanquished.

While most anything associated with Ratner will, almost by definition, be ugly, a full Atlantic Yards buildout will doom the adjacent neighborhoods to half a century of what initially may be seen as "upscale" blight.

The arena at least confines the crap to Flatbush Avenue, where we already have two crappy shopping centers (plus the lowrise PC Richards site). It will also give people a chance to see, in practice, how overblown Ratner's promises have been.

At least we can hope.
Nov. 11, 2010, 12:44 pm
lechacal from park slope says:
Yay!!!! Start building, people. Let's get going.

And here is a gigantic —— YOU to Daniel Goldstein and all of the others who ——ed Brooklyn out of a good project. It's your fault we have half the project we have. It's your fault Brooklyn doesn't get a world class arena. It's your fault that the financing was delayed, and I hope you all get crabs because of it.

Activism for the sake of activism is thoughtless stupidity.

DDDB = epic fail.

10 blog points to each person who doesn't rely on cliches like "back room deals" or unimaginitive plays on the name Ratner in their response.
Nov. 11, 2010, 2:11 pm
daveinbedstuy from bed stuy (duh) says:
It was inevitable that DDDB would lose. What they accomplished was to draw something out soooo long that the neighborhood in which they live and their neighbors (except Daniel Goldstein who took the money and ran) will suffer hardship for the next 25 years because the timetable is now completely different.

Kudos to all of made your bed, now lie in it.
Nov. 11, 2010, 2:23 pm
trust fund baby from williamsburg says:
enjoy the traffic brownstone brooklyn!!
Nov. 11, 2010, 2:31 pm
Norman Oder says:
"You’re talking about a 15-year, 20-year buildout,” business leader and AY supporter Kathryn Wylde said in 2006.

“They say ten years,” I pointed out.

“Not a chance,” Wylde responded, with a smile.
Nov. 11, 2010, 8:28 pm
Steve Nitwitt from Sheepshead Bay says:
I think it's Norm who is being pulled and he has the Times in his arm.
Nov. 12, 2010, 1:35 am
Ace from New Utrecht says:
"Activism for the sake of activism is thoughtless stupidity"

how about: building for the sake of building?
Nov. 12, 2010, 10:28 am
Paul from Park Slope says:
Every AY article seems to pull out a few comments about "inevitability", "futility", and "spoiling a great project." Boy! Are these people just too lazy or too scared to stand up for their rights against a big, corrupt organization? Or are they just employees of the developer, or have some other personal stake in seeing this go forward?
Congratulations, DDDB! This should have happened years ago! Thank you for standing up and fighting!
Nov. 13, 2010, 7:34 am
Charles from PS says:
People who support this project and oppose DDDB misunderstand the intent of those who oppose the project and support DDDB.

We did it to fight for democracy and fairness, and yes, some of us even did it to bleed Mr. Ratner dry. We denied him the wealth, esteem, and power that he would have gained through his use of his relationships and money to sway public officals and government agencies. That is definitely a win for democracy, and a lesson for all those who attempt to gain advantage over the middle class and steal wealth they do not deserve.

Yes, in restrospect, the deal is now far worse than originally proposed. But this is Brooklyn, not a fairy tale land where all dreams come true. Every time someone complains about DDDB, I think to myself ... welcome to New York, and yeh, some of us still don't get pushed around so easily. Deal with it.
Nov. 13, 2010, 10:27 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Any kind of victory for DDDB is a good thing no matter how late it is. However, it is a shame that Ratner got his way just for having friends in high places rubber stamp everything for him. Everyone knows that if this went through ULURP instead, it wouldn't even pass, which is why it went through SEQRA instead. I was sort of predicting that there would be a moment where they would be back in the came, and this ruling states it. The new findings can cause huge finds that Ratner may have to face that can lead to setbacks in Phase I. This is sort of the approach a pro-Towers supporter like myself has to use in order to still be in the game, but there will be times to strike back. I thank DDDB on this court victory. Just keep the Nets where they belong, which is in New Jersey rather than Brooklyn. No eminent domain for private gain! Power to the people, and not to the few!
Nov. 14, 2010, 4:33 pm
Steve Nitwitt's conscience from Sheepshead Bay says:
Sorry, I'm a jerk.
Aug. 11, 2011, 1:37 pm

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