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Fighting over ‘Success’ — opponents call planned W’burg charter ‘racist’

for The Brooklyn Paper
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Critics of a plan to bring a politically connected charter school to Williamsburg blasted the school’s outreach efforts as “racist” at a heated public hearing on Tuesday.

The Success Charter Network is aggressively marketing its proposed Success Academy Williamsburg — an elementary school that would share space with JHS 50 on S. Third Street — with ads in subway stops and condo buildings. But some community leaders claim the advertising campaign proves the school is only recruiting white parents from the posh northside of the neighborhood while ignoring Latino parents south of Metropolitan Avenue.

“If you spend all your money on ads in the northside and barely put up ads in the southside, what does that say about who you are targeting?” said neighborhood activist Luis Garden Acosta, executive director of El Puente. “They only want the white middle-class members of Williamsburg, while we want to have Latino, black and white children in our schools.”

More than 500 community members, including two-dozen Occupy Wall Street activists, stormed into the southside junior high school where the city hopes to open the charter school for a chance to voice their opinions.

Paula Notari, a Williamsburg parent who is looking for schools for her two and four-year-old children, said she was excited about bringing the Success Charter Network to Williamsburg because her current options are “very limited.”

“I think that Success offers a curriculum that is not being offered, the school is extremely well-run and it has some of the most highly trained teachers in the country,” said Notari.

And Jackie Peale, whose son goes to school in Williamsburg, supports the Success school because she toured one in Manhattan and it “blew her mind.”

“They were solving problems at an extremely advanced level — in one class, children were teaching the other students how they arrived at their answer step-by-step,” said Peale.

But the majority of parents at the hearing spoke out against the city’s co-location plan — a proposal that was critiqued last week by vandals who subverted subway ads for the charter school with snarky stickers.

Williamsburg resident Elvin Deleon, who attended JHS 50 in 1984 and whose children study there now, said the city will “disturb the existing school’s program” and should try to improve the neighborhood’s middle schools first.

And Beka Economopoulos, who is nine-months pregnant and already thinking about schools, called the city’s selection process “undemocratic” and trashed Success Academy as a “corporate charter chain.”

“They’re moving into an area where it’s not needed at the same time that a local public school down the street is closing,” said Economopoulos. “The bigger issue is that this is happening without community empowerment.”

The Success Charter Network is behind some of the state’s highest-ranking schools, but the fast-growing program, run by former Manhattan Councilwoman Eva Moskowitz, has sparked the ire of some parents in Boerum Hill, who fear another planned charter will overstretch already limited public school resources.

The charter group has powerful allies, including Mayor Bloomberg, who has called the Success Charter Network the city’s “most successful charter school operator.”

But it doesn’t have the backing of Councilwoman Diana Reyna (D-Williamsburg), who urged the city to reject the Success Academy co-location, claiming the plan would benefit few while ignoring the needs of many.

“The decision by the Department of Education to support Success Charter further perpetuates social inequalities that our community has struggled against for decades,” Reyna said.

Updated 5:29 pm, July 9, 2018
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Reasonable discourse

Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Firstly, a couple of things about this article: no one "stormed" the meeting. The many many people who came filed in, sat down and were on a whole peaceful throughout except when galvanized by the electric speakers. OWS was there from the beginning, also. Towards the end of the meeting they unfurled a giant banner--even then they and the remainder of the crowd were peaceful.

There was no rudeness, no one was interrupted from speaking [quite the opposite: the crowd demanded everyone speak]. The overwhelming percentage of persons attending throughout were opposed to Success Academy but no one from that business was treated inhospitably. And while that percentage of nays was so high, Brooklyn Paper sought and found the TWO people who were there in support and quoted them, completely neglecting the hundreds of eloquent and articulate youngsters, oldsters, whites, blacks, Latinos, artists, professionals, Northside and Southside residents who were vocal against.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:45 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And, most significantly, you forgot to mention that representatives from Congresswoman Nydia Velasquez's office were also there to pledge support against the corporate business academy. That representative went so far as to say that "Congress" will be involved in this matter.

Couple that with refusals and condemnations from Lincoln Restler and Jason Otaño from the Brooklyn Borough President's Office alongside of Councilwoman Diana Reyna, and I think it is safe to say that the corporate business academy is not alone in having powerful friends.

Please--more balance and less hyperbole in your journalism.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:49 am
o3 says:
local district voters, not legislators, should approve any transfer of local property tax monies to private for-profit corps.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:50 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
How does one figure out the method and distribution of those local property tax monies?
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:54 am
o3 says:
the method & distribution was previously set in albany. my point is local voter approval should be required to transfer local property tax monies to private for-profit edu corps. without local voter approval, any transfer of local monies is property rights abuse by the govt.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:58 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank you--that's an interesting point.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:59 am
JudahSpechal from BedStuy says:
If the seats in this charter school are allocated by lottery, then the race card is hard to prove
Plus all Non-whites in 21st Century America must come to terms with the fact that only White Americans can claim "racism".
Next, those who have seek for years to abolish the Public School system have found there placenta.

What's wrong with education in America is for numerous reasons parents are not as involve as need to be and So called leaders will continue to implement policies w/o parental input.
There are more than one way to educate our kids.( public, Charter & Vouchers), because parents need choices.
Jan. 18, 2012, 9 am
tea party from usa says:
It's heartening to hear that the children of Williamsburg are going to have a chance to learn the 3R's, instead of the communist propaganda foisted upon them by the UFT drones. It's a great day in America!!
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:03 am
Reality from Williamsburg says:
The school is happening. The Democratically State Legislature, democratically elected Governor, and our democraticaly elected Mayor all want charter schools as well as our President.

These local commuity groups have ZERO POWER. In 2-3 years there will be many charter schools in this neighborhood and nothing is GOING TO STOP IT. NOTHING
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:06 am
Stats from Williamsburg says:
BTW, all 4 of the grammer schools in Williamsburg are failing. Less than 50% of the students in all these schools can't read or write. Even people in the community don't want to send there kids to any of these schools.

At PS 84 which is, the great school, 70% of the students can's pass level 3.
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:09 am
D15parent from Carroll Gardens says:
Does anyone know how many applications were submitted to D14? I thought that the reason that Success was able to circumvent the CEC 15 was because they claimed there wasn't a suitable space in 14 and there was more of a need in 15 for a charter. Eva used the approved application for 14 to bring her charter to 15. Can anyone clarify because it doesn't seem right that she can get two charters for the price of one application. Will she be taking her approved D14 application to Marine Park next?
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:10 am
Dennis sinneD from Williansburg says:
Firstly, anyone who believes anything is so set in stone, as "Reality in Williamsburg" (one thing about this Corporate Business Academy is their expertise in Orwell) is not discussing politics but asserting religion. Many persons of the same temperament as "Reality" espoused the omnipotence of this Mayor regarding Broadway Triangle and the supposed futility of the lawsuit against, only to be confounded by the recent and scathing court ruling against.
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:21 am
Dennis sinneD from Williansburg says:
Secondly, anyone here quoting statistics without reference to disparage our hard working students and community, as was done yesterday by numerous pseudonyms but singular type, will be dismissed offhand as 'troll' and 'corporate shill.'
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:23 am
Dennis sinneD from Williansburg says:
Anyone interested in the Corporate Business Academy's predatory-not-educational approach will be informed by this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/east-york-williamsburg-residents-young-writers-stay-put-article-1.1005891

Beware, all in the sights of the Corporate Business Academy: communities slated in the future to be imposed upon by the Corporate Business Academy must unite with us (message specifically to you, JudahSpecial from BedStuy).

The Corporate Business Academy does not end in displacement--it BEGINS with displacement.
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:30 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Cynthia Lewis, if you are reading this--I want to help with the lawsuit against the Corporate Business Academy.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:02 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank you, Trollslayer--I like your pseudonym. Very nice, and thanks for that update. Any link to the NY1 coverage? I wouldn't mind helping with some troll-slaying on there.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:14 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
This article right here follows the strategy that Cynthia Lewis indeed described to us here. I'll quote Lewis first:

"Success of course wants to conceal that as much as possible--hence the damage control when an article comes out stating that the community board voted against them. They pay trolls to create the illusion that there is some controversy involving an equal split in a community, when they know it to be false."--her post, 1:30pm yesterday, "Some W'Burg Parents Don't Want "Success" In Their Schools"

And here is the lead-in to NY1's coverage of the meeting yesterday:
"A proposed charter school is splitting the Williamsburg community in half..."

Interesting.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:25 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
We all know there was no "halving." The Peoples were united against--there was ONE person who spoke during the public comment period, and when prompted to identify themselves as supporters, only ONE other person raised their hand in the crowd. Success Academy reps all left by that point.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:27 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I feel you on that. But to be fair, the NY Times has ALWAYS been pro-gentrification, so anyone with capacity for critical reasoning and judgment knows better. And, the NY Times allows for comments--moderated, well-written and finite. So let's get in there!
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:49 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ugh--no comments field! Sounds like a 'Letter to the Editor' is prime.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:52 am
Henry from Williamsburg says:
I will not stand for abusive and threatening comments about my wife who has gotten involved in schooling because she is interested in the improvement of all kids' education. Harassment and threats are not indicative of good people and no decent community member should approve of this behavior. In fact, it borders on criminal behavior. Especially when it is done by people who are not identifying themselves. Cowardice.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:52 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Mr. Nazurek, apologies for your impression of abuse towards your wife here. We're not interested in threatening and abusing anyone. Do you have something to say about the meeting yesterday?
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:55 am
Jen from Williamsburg says:
I was at the meeting last night. I didn't get the feeling that the community didn't want Success Academy as much as they were pissed off that they weren't consulted and they felt that money is better spent improved MS 50. Sort of a no-brainer....
As a parent, I wound NEVER send my elementary aged daughter to a middle school to go to class especially because there are SEVERAL great ELEMENTARY only schools within a few blocks even! Why aren't they trying to open a middle school charter in a middle school? Its just crazy.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:57 am
Henry from Williamsburg says:
I will no longer participate on this comment board. I am open to discussion with El Puente, Diana Reyna, and others about education in this community if they will sit down and talk in a forum conducive to constructive and substantive debate.
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:57 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ah, now you're talking! They would be overjoyed to have a productive conversation with someone as articulate and intelligent as yourself. Please do so!
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:59 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here are some informative links about Councilwoman Diana Reyna, who enjoys wide-ranging support from her constituency:

http://council.nyc.gov/d34/html/members/home.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Reyna

Wikipedia is currently blacked out in protest of SOPA, but if you access it tomorrow, you will be informed.
Jan. 18, 2012, 11 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Wow, I don't get down with abusing Mrs. Notari, but that is a BLATANT mischaracterization of what happened at the meeting. WOW. Entirely FALSE through and through.
Jan. 18, 2012, 11:33 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank you, Anti-racism from Williamsburg, for alerting us to that. I hope, Mr. Nazurek, that if you do wish to dialogue with the leaders of Los Sures that you and your spouse refrain from such deception--it doesn't speak to someone who genuinely seeks "a forum conducive to constructive and substantive debate."
Jan. 18, 2012, 11:34 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
By the way, Anti-racism from Williamsburg, don't compound other people's errors here--let's leave the children out of it. They don't deserve to have their identities revealed, even if their parents are doing it to others.
Jan. 18, 2012, 11:36 am
parent from district 13 says:
Notari and Mazurek are both lawyers: google them for details.
Jan. 18, 2012, 11:50 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Alright, blows are verging below the belt, and let's just chill. Ours is the victory, through and through. Let's not ruin it by matching pettiness with pettiness. Believe me, take it from a lifelong bridge-burner--it's not as effective as you think it is. What we should be talking about here is the greatness of locales like El Puente, to counter the gentrification demonology--not submit to it with behavior agents of gentrification impose upon us by situation and stereotype.
Jan. 18, 2012, 11:53 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Whoa. Brooklyn Paper was quite swift in taking down that first posted passage revealing Ms. Notari's children's names. That's the right thing to do--but now I'm gonna go on the previous thread and make sure they also did that with Yourke's children, because on that they sure have taken their sweet time. Just saying.
Jan. 18, 2012, 12:03 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh look at that--whereas Brooklyn Paper has removed that post, it has yet to remove the one involving K. Yourke's discrete and personal information on the other thread. How interesting.
Jan. 18, 2012, 12:07 pm
Marcia from Greenpoint says:
I agree with Dennis. Can we please keep our posts as civil as possible? This is a hard enough fight as it is and we shouldn't lose face by incivility. Our arguments are strong enough.

I am sorry that parents who disagree with me have left this forum because I want their opinions broken down. I want to know WHY they believe in Success Academy. And I want them to hear WHY we don't believe in Success Academy.

Even if they are unwilling to hear any arguments to the contrary of their belief that Success Academy has pure intentions and a good track record, we can ensure that people who are on the fence will hear the full story.

Even if they tell lies (like what happened at the hearing last night), we can tell the truth.
Jan. 18, 2012, 12:28 pm
parent from Williamsburg says:
If anything, this discussion shows that claiming unanimous oposition to Success is untrue.

If the community does not want this school, they will not enroll their children there and it will not open. It's as easy as that.
Jan. 18, 2012, 12:51 pm
Sandra from Williamsburg says:
I was most impressed with the wonderful turnout of MS50 students last night. They are to be commended for their energy in the light of such negativity. I felt bad for them when watching the NY1 clip and a female supporter of Success Academy compared C and D school grades to bad restaurants, never taking into account the flawed grading system nor the students. Although I understand the sentiment "I want the best for MY child," we really need to work on "WE want the best for ALL our children" and stress equity as well.

It is important to remember the PEP decision comes down March 1st, yet only ONE representative of the DOE (the moderator) attended last night's hearings. To what effect will last night's testimonies have on the PEP if only one DOE member is listening? As the SUNY rep stated (after the audience insisted on an answer), to his knowledge SUNY has followed PEP decisions in opening the Success Charters. I sincerely hope the public hearing did not fall on deaf ears.
Jan. 18, 2012, 12:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
On point, Sandra. Leaders in the community are vocal about willingness to negotiate. They clearly do not want to undermine City Hall in their duty and process--they want to enhance investment. What recourse do they have then, if it is City Hall being intransigent? The Courts? Does the City really want to go there? Can its defense withstand admission of this when people say, hey, there are effective institutions and leadership right here in Williamsburg--how wise an investment, really, is to put so many taxpayer dollars against sound reason? All charter schools being equal, doesn't it make much more sense to fund local AND successful institutions? There's always so much talk about what's failing in Williamsburg and how it needs replacement--how exhausting. Let's magnify what we have.
Jan. 18, 2012, 1:31 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
I agree with a post by Kate Yourke that public education is the foundation of our democracy. And it's too bad public education has declined to the point where we now have to negotiate the specter of "outsourced" education. In the best of all worlds, Luis Garden Acosta's vision of culturally integrated and high-quality public schools would be the norm.

In Williamsburg, the local gentry are obviously demanding a better education for their children than the district schools presently provide. Success Academy is moving in on that need. To tell those yuppies to "move to the burbs" is a non-starter. It's tantamount to telling them to settle for the substandard if they want to live in Williamsburg. Won't happen. Either the City will improve the schools, or the gentry will find another solution.
Jan. 18, 2012, 3:29 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Sandra,

In consideration of my response to you, wouldn't it be smarter for investors looking to the community indeed consider a successful institution with a proven track record and housing leadership from the community--as well as connected to Diana Reyna and Nydia Velasquez?

http://elpuente.us/
Jan. 18, 2012, 3:34 pm
Concerned from from Williamsburg says:
To put things in perspective, here is how dire our children's future is. I want to share a few facts with my brothers and sisters, drawn from a 2011 Harvard study on education (the link is provided below):

The percentage of teens finding work is now 28.6%, a Depression-era level of employment. In 2000, the percentage was 45.2%.

91% of low-income Black teens are unemployed, an incredible number.

85% of low-income Hispanic teens are unemployed.

Middle-income white teens are employed at a 41% rate.

Young adults (20-24) of all types have an employment rate of 62.2% as of June 2010.

These are the lowest levels recorded since the end of the Depression.

70% of Blacks, and more than 80% of Latinos, in their mid-20s have not obtained an associate's degree or higher.

Our current public education system has failed this generation of students.

The current one-year budget for the NYC Department of Education is $24 BILLION and District 14 elementary schools cannot get a more than 30% passing rate in ELA and Math tests? This is what is really unacceptable.

The Harvard Study on Education can be found at:

http://www.gse.harvard.edu/news_events/features/2011/Pathways_to_Prosperity_Feb2011.pdf

The situation is dire, folks.
Jan. 18, 2012, 8:36 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Some try to make stereotypes at the opposition here. It's not that they oppose having a charter school altogether, they oppose the fact that they can locate in an already overcrowded public school and get it at a discount with subsidies. That is where the opposition is comming from. If they were getting their own property and paying for it themselves, that would be a different story. Right now, I am angry that both Bloomberg and Cuomo are going after public school teachers on evalutions, but not even touching the charter school teachers on this. Divid and conquer has always been the method of elitist as they continue to do say today.
Jan. 18, 2012, 9:59 pm
parent/teacher from Greenpoint says:
As a resident of Williamsburg/Greenpoint, parent and educator I witnessed every moment of the hearing. It’s so unfortunate and a shame that some folks interpret our passionate voices as rude and the OWS entrance as “stormed”. These are such poor choice of words, tsk tsk.
When OWS entered the auditorium they unrolled the banner and were simply standing tall and proud of their collaborative work. Everyone was impressed and amazed by their presence and the awesome banner. The OWS support gave the community at the hearing the power of unified hope.
As parents and community residents, we are NOT advocating for failing schools to continue in our community, we are just tired of having our population of color under attack, marginalized and not listened to.
“ Leaders who do not act dialogically, but insist on IMPOSING their decisions, do not organize the people--they manipulte them. They do not liberate, nor are they liberated: they oppress.” ~Freire
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:39 pm
Parent from Williamsburg says:
Did anyone attend the hearing tonight on the proposed closure of PS 19? Interested to hear if there was the same enthusiasm tonight?
Jan. 18, 2012, 10:49 pm
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
The PS 19 phase-out hearing was well-attended, and the issues especially well-articulated. Again, there is no sense of who we are speaking to; the real decision-makers were not present, but the speakers, ranging widely in age and position, were awesome. Our community is knowledgeable and articulate, ready to claim the power to make decisions on their own behalf! The City has consistently made decisions that have not served our interests, we know what needs to happen, now let's get to work!
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:06 am
David on N. 3rd from Williamsburg says:
Hey D15parent from Carroll Gardens,

I believe that Moskowitz's "bait-and-switch" from D14 to D15 that you are asking about is being added to an existing lawsuit over co-location that has been filed by Advocates for Justice, a public interest legal foundation. Here is a link about the lawsuit: http://www.advocatesforjustice.net/taking-doe-to-court-parents-resurrect-battle-over-co-locations/

The 14/15 switcheroo happened well after that article but someone at Advocates may be able to give you some information, they are http://www.advocatesforjustice.net/
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:11 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
What is going to happen to the students who are currently enrolled at PS 19? Where will the displaced students go? What is the look of the new school that is intended to open there next fall? Is the new school going to be a district or charter? Will it reflect the Southside cultural needs?
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:25 am
David on N. 3rd from Williamsburg says:
Hey Dennis, you quoted someone talking about Success's use of trolls in these kinds of forums. There's another possibility to be aware of - the "founding parent". Here is an explanation from an LA publication, followed by a link (note the last paragraph in particular):

"By law, if a school has more applicants than spaces, it must hold a public lottery. But often there is a side door.

'The side door is that you start volunteering at the school a couple years before your kid is ready to go,' says Christina Simon, author of Beyond the Brochure, a book about the L.A. private school admissions process. 'They donate money. They get on the board. And the wheels are greased for their kids to go there.'

All applicants must participate in the lottery. But federal guidelines allow a handful of lottery 'preferences,' which serve as a sort of VIP entrance. One is for siblings. If an older sibling is already enrolled, the younger child can get in automatically. Another preference is for children of school staff. Yet another is for founding parents.

The preference exists so that parents who go to the trouble of creating a charter school can be assured that their kids will be able to attend. The only restriction is an unwritten rule limiting founders to 10 percent of the school's total enrollment.

Typically, the founding-parents rule applies only to schools just starting up. But nowhere is the term defined. Nothing prevents a school from adding new founding parents after the school is open. This loophole allows schools to select parents much the way a private school would."

- From http://www.laweekly.com/2011-10-13/news/charter-schools-getting-your-child-on-the-list/

All this got attention in LA because 2 schools were openly doing it:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/13/local/la-me-charter-parents-20111213

It raises the question, How much is it going on behind closed doors and not being detected? Nobody seems to know, but I have to confess, when the same person gets quoted in multiple articles in favor of Success, I wonder if that is a motivating factor for them. It seems that a charter school like Success could use this designation not only to add students who will test well and to eliminate special needs students who cost more or won't test as well, but also to motivate some parents to lobby hard to insure the charter school happens, knowing if it does that their kid is guaranteed to get in, regardless of the lottery odds. And it's apparently perfectly legal, even if it is unfair, undemocratic, and non-accountable.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:08 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
This is a tough one, speaking as a non-parent who has lived and worked in Williamsburg for decades.

On the one hand, I can appreciate Henry from Williamsburg's enthusiasm for Success Academy. Here is a case of parents taking initiative to get a better school in the neighborhood for their children. Not the first time initiatives have been taken in Williamsburg, and not the first time they have sparked resentment.

On the other hand, we are still left with a disgraceful district school system in Williamsburg. We are still leaving children behind, creating a population of semi-literate unemployable people. This is an outrage. We can send our children to charter school or even to private school. It does not absolve us of the responsibility of making sure all children in our society get a first-rate primary education.

Will charter schools be a kind of "first step" in remediating this situation? An "avant-garde" for the few that will pay out in the long run for the many? Perhaps. But I think we also need to focus on fixing the schools we already have.

Finally, can we agree on this thread not to accuse people of shilling or trolling for nefarious forces? Even if they were, and I highly doubt they are, it is irrelevant. This is a matter that can easily be discussed on its merits or faults.
Jan. 19, 2012, 3:32 am
Fatimah from Cobble Hill says:
White makes Right. Same old same old. Moskowitz? The Chosen People rise again.
Jan. 19, 2012, 5:19 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
Does anyone know what is being done for the planning of new school PS 114 at the phased-out PS 19 facility? Funny that we hear about the charter school to open here but nothing about the replacement for PS 19? Isn't a new kindergarten class slated to open this fall under the name of PS 114? Why isn't the composition of this school being discussed and debated?
Jan. 19, 2012, 7:42 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
Does anyone know what is being done for the planning of new school PS 114 at the phased-out PS 19 facility? Funny that we hear about the charter school to open here but nothing about the replacement for PS 19? Isn't a new kindergarten class slated to open this fall under the name of PS 114? Why isn't the composition of this school being discussed and debated?
Jan. 19, 2012, 7:42 am
D15parent from Carroll Gardens says:
David on N. 3rd,

Thank you very much.
Jan. 19, 2012, 7:51 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hello everyone,
Hello again and thank you, David from N. 3rd, Kate and Yourke,
Hello D15parent from Carroll Gardens, and Parent from Williamsburg,

Fell asleep last night from exhaustion--so many things to do and consider. Firstly, I was at the PS 19 hearing, and saw K. Yourke there. I saw her speak and I am grateful for her words.

Councilwoman Diana Reyna, El Puente's Luis Garden Acosta and Evelyn Cruz from Congresswoman's Nydia Velasquez were there all spoke against the closure, passionately, eloquently, lucid in English and Spanish--THANK YOU.

I went to school at PS 19 from K to 4 and it was quite the bittersweet moment. The auditorium that seemed so gargantuan when I was a child now seems so small physically but enormous in memory and service.

Firstly, let's get rid of some canards that some people are throwing up here about "failing schools" in our District. In anticipation of the changing landscape, the Mayor's Office and the Department of Education began an oversight program at PS 19 a few years ago when it was an 'A' rated school.

Upon that intervention, significant personnel were withdrawn or denied the school: it therewith functioned without an assistant principal, several teacher vacancies went unfilled, equipment and supplies were withdrawn. Like the community around them, the City and the DOE had imposed their own policy of "benign neglect." The school plummeted into a 'failing' grade--the agencies imposing the grade being the same "faceless bureaucrats" as those who came in with their phony intervention.

Now rapacious individuals who pretend to care about "education" but themselves don't have the moral foundation to do their homework beyond their rigidly-defined and opportunistic positions are the ones who are quickly referring to the "failure" of these schools as though this "failure", like the Corporate Business Academy hungry for JHS 50's space, was not a deliberate construction.

David from N. 3rd--thank you for that information about the "founding parent." What is so sad is how that corresponds to so many people in this changing neighborhood, who move in for a couple of years, know nothing about the community's history, take a snapshot visual impression of the community's struggles and erroneously impose the environmental failures on the Puerto Rican and Dominican community of Williamsburg.

Incredibly, those positions are not educated. The positions that are educated are under attack by financial interests themselves demonstrating awful pedagogy in their attacks. My message to intelligent, informed and impassioned residents of Williamsburg--fight back. You have friends who fight alongside you.
Jan. 19, 2012, 9:18 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I highlight the community's problems as they appear upon intervention or invasion by outside and absentee entities, professional and private.

That focus is further attenuated by the fact that given sufficient resources, autonomy of operation and imagination, the community builds and maintains successful institutions--when conditions are reversed, when funding and personnel are withdrawn, and then absentee entities appear late upon benign neglect, those institutions are unduly attacked. Those who are reading this and considering donating or assisting should contact PS 19's offices.

If you are an investor or philanthropist, if you wish to make a donation, and you expect a return on human capital, why not consider the best and most successful institution in the area, one that is not just the heart of Latino Williamsburg, but is the HEART OF ALL WILLIAMSBURG, at the very center and connected to all the institutions under attack here in Williamsburg but impervious to those attacks because of its sound operations policy and autonomy:
http://elpuente.us

To donate:
https://npo.networkforgood.org/Donate/Donate.aspx?npoSubscriptionId=3062&uniqueID=634588002278884597

They accept credit cards!
Jan. 19, 2012, 9:40 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, and thank you, Tal from Pleasantville. We don't often agree on these BP threads, but I appreciate your observation herein.
Jan. 19, 2012, 9:51 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As to the use of "trolls" here--they are present. Dismissing their possibility is nonsense, since their advocacy and who they advocate for has the most direct bearing on their remarks and the context of those remarks. For example, lacking substance but engaging only in polemic may be compelling to a Williamsburg reader if, say, that polemicist claimed to be from Williamsburg. If it was found out, in fact, that the polemicist who lacks substance, has no argument, no data, no statistics and is only relying on the literacy and the assumed "authenticity" of his or her post to wow people should actually be found to NOT be from Williamsburg, to be lying about their residency and the type of work they actually do, will clearly have their remarks re-contextualized and re-positioned, if not outright dismissed.

So no--whenever someone here feels like full disclosure is necessary to lift ambiguity, please do in fact wonder if there are trolls. Firstly, there are many trolls here on the Brooklyn Paper thread who have no gain from trolling--they do it simply for glee. Secondly, there are many trolls who claim to be from Williamsburg who are not, and they do that for gentrification.

Beware.
Jan. 19, 2012, 9:56 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
The solution to the existence of trolls on BP's threads is quite easy to find:
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/comments/

If BP switched over to the Facebook Social Plug-in for Comments, as their sister publication NY Post does, the problems with pseudonymity and the spreading of mischaracterizations if not outright lies will be quickly solved.
Jan. 19, 2012, 9:58 am
Frank from DeVoe St. says:
this site would be a lot better if there was a "block" or "ignore" button so I could avoid the mentally ill homeless guy(s) that pollute this place.
Jan. 19, 2012, 10:50 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I fully agree, Frank from Devoe St. How do I block or ignore you?
Jan. 19, 2012, 10:50 am
Goyo from Los Sures says:
How many of Williamsburg Hispanic children will the charter school help, 20%? I think therein lies the problem it is very selective. The hipsters children seem to be grabbing all the seats available.

Blocking comments would be unAmerican by censoring!
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:12 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
It is counterproductive and parochial to suggest that only those who are "from Williamsburg" have a say in this important matter. I, for example, am "from" Boston originally. I have lived in Brooklyn for 30 years. I own property in Park Slope and in Queens. I rent property in Manhattan and in Williamsburg. I wake up in the morning at any of these locations. My business is in Williamsburg and that's where I spend most of my time.

As a business owner and commercial renter in Williamsburg, I qualify to be on the Community Board, and I definitely qualify to attend its meetings and any other meetings in the neighborhood as a full-fledged member of the community.

My focus is on economic development in East Williamsburg/"Bushwick". I recently hired some local young people who are in fact "from Williamsburg". Local youth who are indeed "from Williamsburg" — that is, born and raised here — are well positioned to take advantage of walk-to-work job opportunities that are arising in the creative economy here, an economy that has been put in place almost entirely by people who are not, originally, "from Williamsburg."

These are good jobs by the way. They are not dead-end jobs at White Castle, but entry-level positions in wood shops, metal shops, galleries, beauty salons, guitar shops, music and film production houses, and a plethora of art- and design-related trades where skills can be learned and careers can be launched.

We need once and for all to expunge the insular mentality that has crippled this neighborhood in the past. Williamsburg is now a cosmopolitan place. Local youth have a right to become involved in the new economy here, if they so desire. And this is why it is important that they get a good education, and why their education is of concern to all who have a stake in the future of Williamsburg, as I do.

Now then, is this thread about casting aspersion upon commentators? Or are we talking about the education of the young people of this community. I am here to talk about the latter and my intentions are genuine. I question the intentions of those who would turn this thread to any other end.
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:46 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
If you are an investor or philanthropist, if you wish to make a donation, and you expect a return on human capital, why not consider the best and most successful institution in the area, one that is not just the heart of Latino Williamsburg, but is the HEART OF ALL WILLIAMSBURG, at the very center and connected to all the institutions under attack here in Williamsburg but impervious to those attacks because of its sound operations policy and autonomy:
http://elpuente.us

To donate:
https://npo.networkforgood.org/Donate/Donate.aspx?npoSubscriptionId=3062&uniqueID=634588002278884597

They accept credit cards!
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:50 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
@Goyo from Los Sures. The charter school is geared to children of hipsters. Let's stop beating around the bush here. This is about the gentry angling for a better school for their children. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. What is wrong is that the district schools are being shortchanged, and have been for very many long years. It is a far more grave and dangerous situation than many people realize. We are producing uneducated people and we will be creamed in the future by Germany and India. The situation is not new. I remember back in the 90s, the local activist Chris Lanier, who like me had arrived relatively recently to the neighborhood, looked at me in horror one day and said, "These kids are not being educated!"
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:58 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
From the El Puente website:

This holiday season, El Puente looks back at nearly 30 years of celebrating a unique American success story. Because of the conscientious, spirited support of so many like you, our young people continue to defeat their destined "drop-out" status to assume one of Ivy League graduates, Broadway "Tony" award winners, doctors, lawyers, actors, police officers, educators, artists, job creators, and more.

Each year, El Puente helps over 2,000 members engage in a holistic development, while ever mindful of our obligation to bridge the gap between the American ideal and the day-to-day reality of so many. Through four Community Leadership Centers, an award winning "A " rated New York City public high school (the El Puente Academy for Peace and Justice), our "Espiritu Tierra" Community Garden and the Community Health and Environment Institute; El Puente is proving that change is possible. The Southside of Williamsburg, a once forgotten community, has risen to become a model of smart, comprehensive community development and a source of hope for neighborhoods across America.

In 2011, we have seen El Puente members win a citywide Department of Youth and Community Development-NIKE competition by using dance to educate their peers about the concerns and issues that they face in day-to-day life. The El Puente Scholars, a group of high school, college and out-of-school youth, conducted a community-wide assessment of the Southside of Williamsburg and designed their own hands-on improvement projects. The newly launched Green Light District Initiative is creating an economically sustainable, culturally vibrant, and healthier community for our residents. El Puente Arts is building on its past success as Brooklyn's pre-eminent Latino arts center, training new generations of artists and creating a "Peoples Conservatory".

We know that this success is only a bridge to better serve the future – and can only be completed with your assistance. We ask that you take the next step with us and make a major contribution to help us continue to build further on our accomplishments.

You can make your contribution by clicking here or sending a check to:

El Puente
Attn: Alexi Vandenberg, Director of Development,
211 South 4th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11211

Your donation will leverage the public and private resources required to usher in a new community spirit and spur our "neighborhood by neighborhood" movement across the whole of our nation. A new world is possible but only with your help. We the community and staff of El Puente, thank you for your generous spirit this holiday season.
Jan. 19, 2012, 12:59 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
The reference to "clicking here" is to:
https://npo.networkforgood.org/Donate/Donate.aspx?npoSubscriptionId=3062&uniqueID=634588002278884597
Jan. 19, 2012, 1 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
@ Goyo,

Do not respond to that troll. He is a misanthrope who advocates for no one--not the community, not Williamsburg, and not even hipsters.

His purpose is to try to sway the discussion away from reputable and knowledgeable and credible sources to self-destruction.

Take it from someone familiar with his tactics.

Not one thing he has claimed is true, and whenever he makes reference to a link or something, he never accurately characterizes the reference.

The discussion will be furthered if it does not get mired in his type of self-destruction.

I myself will not respond to him, or ever so. I only post this as a warning to you.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:03 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis, you have the keys to my office in Williamsburg. Why don't you go there and trash the place if you need to vent your spleen. Or glue the lock as you did on the L Cafe back in the day.

Every single thing I have said is true. I use no pseudonym as you do, Dennis Farr. I am sorry if you are angry at me for disagreeing with you. I am sorry if you resent my success here in Williamsburg. I am sorry if you couldn't make a go at your publishing venture for which I have made my office available to you. My agenda is absolutely transparent. I am committed to developing East Williamsburg as an art-and-design valley.

The more you engage in character assassination, the more people will smell your resentment. My position in Williamsburg is rock solid. If anyone wants to see what I do here, call me, 347-578-3041. Come to my office and we'll have a coffee. I'm on the Morgan Avenue stop.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:25 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
@Goyo. I invite you to meet me and talk. 347-578-3041. Maybe we can work together between Los Sures and the local Bushwick art scene.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:33 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here is information on El Puente's Green Light District Program.

Just FYI, El Puente is a multicultural and hipster institution in the neighborhood. It employs persons from all walks of life here in North Brooklyn, and has done a stupendous job of it. Unlike persons making false claims about employing people, El Puente ACTUALLY employs people, has an ACTUAL budget, and employs AND TEACHES hipsters in the neighborhood. They have been doing it for 30 years, and are from the community. Their art is world-renowned, and their students are also renowned artists. Whereas there is much attack here on the Southside's abilities to foster education, let's not forget that individuals from the Southside are the only entities to have THREE higher education institutions in the area.

I urge anyone who cares about facts check them:

"
The is an initiative for the community of the Southside of Williamsburg to speak up and exercise our right to self -determination. Together, as a united community, we seek to transform the Southside of Williamsburg from one of the most historically challenged communities in the country to a more equitable, healthy and sustainable place to live.

For information about the
please visit us at www.elpuente.us,
come to our headquarters at
211 South 4th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11211
Tel: (718) 387-0404 Email: info@elpuente.us"

Jan. 19, 2012, 1:35 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And the link for El Puente's Green Light District program is:

http://elpuente.us/greenlight.html
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:36 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, and anyone who wishes to research my identity, please send me a friend request at:

https://www.facebook.com/dennis.farr

I'm not interested in business partnerships [no matter how much lying implies to the contrary], or furthering my agenda--I'm only interested in aiding the Southside Coalition in this regard. But if you check my FB profile you will feel my background, what I believe in, and what I have really gotten involved in--not lies and innuendo.

I would give out my phone number if it wasn't indulgent and wasn't evidence of profiteering on my part at the expense of displacement and suffering by others. Ahem.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:41 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
@Goyo. I invite anyone on this thread to meet me for a coffee at my office. 347-578-3041.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:42 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
347-578-3041. It's my business number. I give it out all the time. I will meet with anyone anytime.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:44 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As well as El Puente's ACTUAL employment of persons in the community, as well as ACTUAL art, and service to ALL the cultures of the community, here is Congresswoman Nydia Velasquez, who has also pledged opposition to the Corporate Business Academy:

Nydia Margarita Velázquez (born March 28, 1953) is the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district, serving since 1993. She is a member of the Democratic Party. The district includes residential areas of three boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan). She is the first Puerto Rican woman to be elected to Congress, and the chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus until January 3, 2011.

Velázquez, whose father worked the sugar cane fields, was one of nine siblings born in Yabucoa, Puerto Rico. She was raised with the influence of political dinner table conversations. Her father was a local political activist and, from a young age, she would accompany her father to political rallies. Her father would focus on the rights of sugar cane workers and denounce the abuse perpetrated by wealthy farmers.[1]
After skipping a grade, she entered high school when she was 13. In high school she organized her classmates on a protest and the school was closed down. Their protest against the dangerous and unsanitary conditions of the school caused the necessary renovations to be made.
In 1969, when she was 16, she enrolled in the University of Puerto Rico. In 1974 she graduated magna cum laude and became the first one in her family to receive a college diploma. She then went to New York City, where she attended and studied political science, on a scholarship, at New York University. In 1976 she received her Master's degree.[1]
Velázquez was a university professor, first in the University of Puerto Rico at Humacao, (1976–81) and then at New York's Hunter College (1981–83).[1]
Throughout her career, Velázquez has been an advocate of many Latino rights programs and associations. During her time serving as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs in the United States, Velázquez initiated one of the most successful Latino empowerment programs in the nation’s history - "Atrevete" (Dare to Go for It!). She taught Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College and became the first Latino woman to serve on the New York City Council. In December 2011, Velázquez admitted to Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields question she did not know what Operation Fast and Furious was at a Congressional Hispanic Caucus event, and, fellow New York Democrat, Rep. Jose Enrique Serrano, also admitted to TheDC that he was unaware of Fast and Furious when approached for questions about the scandal. [2]

In 1983, she was appointed Special Assistant to Representative Edolphus Towns (D-Brooklyn). In 1984, she became the first Latina appointed to serve as a member of the New York City Council. In 1986, she served as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs of the U.S. During that time, she initiated a successful Latino empowerment program called "Atrevete"(dare to go for it).[1]

In 1992, Velázquez was elected as a Democrat to represent New York's 12th Congressional District in Congress. As a Representative, Velázquez has focused on building a legislative agenda that lobbies to increase the opportunities for the nation's 47 million Hispanics, including the over 2.3 million Hispanics currently residing in New York City.[3]
Throughout her career as a New York Representative, Nydia Velázquez has consistently and fully supported pro-choice and family planning interests groups such as the NARAL Pro-Choice America and the Planned Parenthood. Velázquez has consistently shown support of the National Farmers' Union. She has shown no support of interests groups that are against animal rights and animal rightists.[4]
In 2009, Velázquez voted against the amendment Prohibiting Federally Funded Abortion Services. In the past year, Velázquez has supported the Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations, the Unemployment Benefits Association, and the Unemployment Benefits Extension. Velázquez has also consistently voted in favor of bills attempting to strengthen women's rights such as the Employment Discrimination Law Amendments, Equal Pay Bill and the Inculsion of Consolidated Appropriations.[4]

Committee assignments
Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Subcommittee on Insurance, Housing and Community Opportunity
Committee on Small Business (Ranking Member)
[edit]Caucus memberships
Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Congressional Progressive Caucus
Women’s Issues Caucus
Out of Iraq Caucus
Asian Pacific American Caucus
Congressional Caucus on the Census
Congressional Children’s Caucus
Congressional Jobs and Fair Trade Caucus
Empowerment Zone and Enterprise Community (EZ/EC) Caucus
Human Rights Caucus
Older American’s Caucus
Urban Caucus
On September 29, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez voted in favor of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. On November 19, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez was elected by her peers in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) to lead the group for the 111th Congress.[1]
Prior to removing her name from consideration, she was considered a possible candidate to be appointed to the United States Senate by Governor David Paterson after New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was nominated by President Barack Obama's cabinet.[5]
Among her "firsts" are: the first Hispanic woman to serve on the New York City Council; the first Puerto Rican woman to serve in Congress; the first woman Ranking Democratic Member of the House Small Business Committee. Velázquez became the first woman to chair the United States House Committee on Small Business in January 2007 as well as the first Hispanic woman to chair a House standing committee.[1]
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In 1992, she defeated incumbent congressman Stephen J. Solarz in the primary and was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, representing New York's 12th congressional district, and became the first female Puerto Rican member of Congress. The sprawling 12th district encompasses parts of Brooklyn, Queens and Lower Manhattan. It includes such neighborhoods as Ridgewood, Maspeth, and Woodside in Queens, Bushwick, Williamsburg, Red Hook, and Sunset Park in Brooklyn and part of Manhattan's Lower East Side. She also became the first Hispanic woman to serve as Ranking Democratic Member of the House Small Business Committee. She oversees federal programs and contracts totaling $200 billion annually. She also serves on the House Financial Services Committee.[1]
During her campaign for the House seat, her medical records, including documented clinical depression and an attempted suicide, were leaked to the press. She quickly held a press conference and said that she had been undergoing counseling for years and was emotionally and psychologically healthy.[6]
Velázquez’s 2010 campaign income was $759,359. She came out of this campaign with about $7,736 in debt Her top contributors include the American Bankers Association, the National Roofing Contractors Association and the National Telephone Cooperative Association. [4]
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:47 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Reference:

[1] Hispanic Americans in Congress
[2] Ibid
[3]
[4] Cadei, Emily (December 12, 2008). "New York Rep. Velázquez Out of Clinton Senate Seat Derby". CQPolitics.com. Retrieved December 20, 2008.

Congresswoman Velazquez, as well as El Puente, are also willing to talk to you, AND are reputable sources with verifiable pasts:
http://velazquez.house.gov/contact/index.shtml
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:50 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
@Goyo. I will explain to you exactly what I am doing in Williamsburg, and what I have done here for the past three decades, face to face, at my office or in a local cafe, as you please. I am reaching out to Los Sures. I challenge you to do the same. 347-578-3041. Are you familiar with the hipster scene along Bogart Street? Have you been to the galleries? Have you checked out the production studios? Would you like a tour? I would like to find out what Los Sures is doing these days. Maby be we can work together. I am perfectly genuine here. 347-578-3041.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:51 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Well. Dennis is obviously spamming the thread and sabotaging the dialogue. Rage has got the better of him. What else is new.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:52 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Hey, let's not forget Diana Reyna (D-34)!
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:52 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Spam? This is a community leader and active participant on the highest levels of this discussion.

You're putting up your business number to try to solicit business.

You're the one who is spamming.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:54 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
http://council.nyc.gov/d34/html/members/home.shtml

"Since 2002, Council Member Diana Reyna has demonstrated an outstanding commitment to her community through government service and advocacy. She has garnered citywide attention for her tireless efforts – powerfully and successfully championing affordable housing. Reyna has secured thousands of newly built affordable units as well as maintaining and preserving affordability. Throughout her tenure, Reyna has continued to lead the fight for overall increases of city resources on behalf of the indigent, minority populations and middle-class throughout the 34th District.
Council Member Reyna is committed to education issues, youth and senior services, and building a sustainable community focused on jobs; maintaining industrial and manufacturing space, as well as affordability and keeping her neighborhoods safe and secure. During this time of economic austerity, Reyna and her colleagues in the Council strongly contested the Mayor's proposed budget cuts and saved Fire Houses throughout her district, ensuring that our first responders will continue being there in our times of crisis. Daily, Reyna continues to envision new and bold ways to stem the obesity and asthmas rates in her community and is a tireless advocate for legislation that curbs the aforementioned afflictions. She envisions a united Williamsburg – decking the Brooklyn Queens Expressway that bi-sects the ‘Southside,’ with a park that bridges the community and improves the open-space ration in Northern Brooklyn.

As Chair of New York City Council's Committee on Small Business, Reyna focuses on ways she can advocate for the over 220,000 small businesses across the five boroughs. She understands that they are crucial to New York City’s economic rebound, and that the Council’s efforts are not only for encouraging new small businesses, but on helping current business owners survive. Reyna supports innovation and high-tech job creation, investing in women or minority owned small businesses, as well as business incubators that facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. She aims to knock down barriers in the path of men and women who are hoping to take a chance, follow a dream, and start a business.

Reyna represents a dynamic community stretching from Williamsburg and Bushwick in Brooklyn to Ridgewood, Queens. She was born and raised in Williamsburg’s ‘Southside,’ and now lives in Bushwick with her husband, a sergeant in the New York City Police Department, and two boys. Reyna is the first woman of Dominican descent elected to office in New York State. She attended the Transfiguration School in Williamsburg and Pace University in Pleasantville, New York."
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:55 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Copy pasting from Nydia Velasquez's website? And what does this have to do with anything?
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:56 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Call me and we'll talk about jobs for local youth in Williamsburg. I won't sell you a thing.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:57 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Thank you, Prophet Elijah. But surely you meant Nydia Velazquez, right? She is definitely in high level talks about this. I'm not making a penny off of any of this, not getting a job, not trying to solicit a business. My wish is solely preservation of the vibrant community of Northern Brooklyn.
Jan. 19, 2012, 1:58 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
I meant all of you. All of you who are doing this for community. for selflessness! I definitely don't mean someone who is copy-pasting his business card on here to exploit a situation.

Of course copy-pasting from the Congresswoman's wiki is relevant. She is a party in the proceedings! We all want to know more about her, and not a known liar in the area. We want to know more about our elected reps! Especially if they are involving themselves in this issue!

Do we have any more information about the people who are actually involved? Not people trying to make a buck--we already have Success Academy for that.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:01 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Look, it's ridiculous. This thread has ended. There's no "business" being discussed here. This is about slander and ——-tossing. And I DID NOT start it. I am challenging you all to sit down face to face with me and build bridges.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:01 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Elijah,

That's brilliant. Let's toss those names some more--let's find out about those people who are leading us and need our support. Thank you.

Do you have information on Los Sures? I can check on the Internet.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:03 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Nydia Velasquez is great. I endorsed her on her first term in 1991 in the Waterfront Week, the local paper I ran. What, you're paranoid because I'm a businessman? Are you allergic to "making a buck?" You think I think I'm going to make a buck here? You've got be kidding me! I'm challenging you to meet me, in Williamsburg, and see who I am, instead of just blindly listening to some blowhard who is patently, obviously, engaging slander and character assassination. What is it, guys, is it because I'm white? Is that it?
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:05 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Dennis! Hold on. We haven't finished with Diana Reyna (D-34). I just found her wikipedia:

Diana Reyna (born 1974) is currently the New York City Council Member who represents the 34th Council District, which includes Williamsburg and Bushwick as well as Ridgewood in Queens, USA. Council Member Reyna was born and raised in New York City. She attended the now closed Our Savior School (the former parochial school of Transfiguration Roman Catholic Church) in Williamsburg, Saint Joseph High School in downtown Brooklyn, and Pace University in Pleasantville, New York. She has been a member of the New York City Council since her election in 2001. Council Member Reyna is the first Dominican American woman elected to public office in New York State. Previously, Council Member Reyna was the chief of staff to New York State Assembly Member and Chairman of the Kings County (Brooklyn) Democratic Party, Vito Lopez. The two have since had a very public falling-out culminating in Lopez running an unsuccessful candidate against Reyna in the 2009 Primary & General Election.[1]

Council Member Reyna has concentrated her efforts in funding youth programs and family literacy.,[2] as well as fighting crime and reducing gang violence in her council district.[3]
In 2007, the New York City Council passed a bill Council Member Reyna had sponsored, which amended the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to increasing fines for illegal conversions from industrial to residential uses. The bill was later signed into law by Mayor Bloomberg.[4]
Council Member Reyna voted in favor of the extension of term limits to allow for a third term for the Mayor and City Council.[5]
Council Member Reyna voted against a modified version of Mayor Bloomberg's congestion pricing plan.[6]
From "Breaking the Gridlock on Congestion Pricing" by Gail Robinson dated, March 24, 2008 (gothamgazette.com):
"Under both the commission's recommendations and the governor's bill, the base fee for cars entering the area would be $8. Trucks would pay $21. But many drivers would end up paying far less since the system subtracts tolls used to enter Manhattan -- as long as the driver used E-ZPass to cross one of the rivers. So while someone using the toll-free Brooklyn Bridge would be charged an $8 congestion fee, a person who used the Queens Midtown Tunnel, which has a $4.50 toll, would pay that and a $3.50 congestion fee for a maximum charge of $8." [7]
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:05 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Dennis, I thought about what you wrote about the other leaders that are involved. Wow. There is no wikipedia for Luis Garden Acosta. Maybe we should contact him and interview him. Maybe we write that wiki for everyone? Do you know his phone number?
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:08 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Anyway, Dennis has the keys to my office, you can all come around any time and we'll talk gentrification all night long. I have ideas, I have solutions. I'm sure you do to. Let's talk. I am for real.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:10 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I don't know about his personal phone number, Prophet Elijah. I don't think he would do that--he's not cheap shilling for business off the destruction of the Poles in Greenpoint, ya know? If anything, he's probably got a few Poles in his school--I know he's got a couple employed. That's how he rolls, you know--multicultural is his thing. This is El Puente's number, if you want to try contacting him there, but I hear he is a very busy man:

1-718-387-0404
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:11 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Filibustering with Nydia because you don't want to talk. Okay. Have it your way. Ah me. How I love Williamsburg.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:13 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That wiki thing sounds like a fantastic idea, though. I just found this link leading to NY1 news coverage of the Green Light District program. It shows Luis standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Congresswoman Nydia Velazquez and a student [because, again, that's how he rolls]. Maybe we can add it to a list of sources about him:

http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/147352/community-group-receives--500k-to-start--green-light-district--in-williamsburg
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:13 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Wonderful. Wonderful! Let me ask you: I've been reading these posts and noticed that Cynthia Walker. Hot! Hot! Hot! She is like the divine fire that shot down from heaven and burned down the worshippers of Baal who tried to displace another community--ROFLMAO. She mentioned a lawsuit? Is this like the lawsuit for the Broadway Triangle?
http://www.broadwaytriangle.com/
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:16 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
I'm just so sorry you had to gum up this thread and demean the original dialogue. What are all those parents and teachers going to think now when they see you furiously pasting text into the thread? It sure wasn't me who did it. I was addressing a story about a charter school. What a shame.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:17 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
So it's not really about the school, is it. It's about your rage against hipsters, as usual.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:18 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
It listed all these community organizations! Wow. So many good people. All the time I hear, "Prophet, don't go past that Broadway--there are only bad people there and they don't care about God or community." How can that be, God, Your Name Is Always Blessed? It's a sin to lie! I just got this list from the Broadway Triangle website. Are all these organizations involved?

Churches United for Fair Housing

St. Stephen’s United Church of God Outreach Inc.

Association of Hispanic Ministers (Interdenominational)

106 Gerry Street Tenants Association

St. Peter Claver Roman Catholic Church

All Saints Corp.

Our Lady of the Rosary Roman Catholic Church

Nuestros Niños Child Development School

St. Lucy – St. Patrick Roman Catholic Church

St. Martin de Porres Roman Catholic Parish

United Neighbors Organization

Our Lady of Monserrate Roman Catholic Church

Bushwick United Headstart

Community & Parents Day Care

St. John the Baptist Roman Catholic Church

Cooper Park Tenants Association

St. Nicholas Neighborhood Preservation Corp.

Passionist Community of Our Lady of Monserrate Roman Catholic Church

El Puente

All Saints Roman Catholic Church

Central Jewish Council

First Spanish Presbyterian Church

Los Sures Community Development Company, Inc.

Mary of Nazareth Roman Catholic Parish

United Jewish Community Advocacy Relations and Enrichment (UJCARE)

Pratt Institute – Newman Club

41 Whipple Street Tenants Association

Opportunities for a Better Tomorrow

Our Lady of Victory Roman Catholic Church

Passionist Center for Justice, Peace, and the Integrity of Creation at North Brooklyn

Marcy Houses Tenant Association

St. Brigid’s Roman Catholic Church

Trinity Human Services

Our Lady of Good Counsel Roman Catholic Church

Primera Iglesia Getsemani (Pentecostal)

Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church

Most Holy Trinity Roman Catholic Church

St. Michael – St. Edward Roman Catholic Church

Save Our Southside

Bushwick Housing Independence Project

Brooklyn Legal Services Corporation A, Counsel
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:19 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I don't really know, Prophet, but it's a good chance that many of them are. But thank you for providing that list--it shows people that this is not about one segment of our community, but that we have always been MULTICULTURAL. In fact, let's not forget who is also a big part of our coalition:

OWS WILLIAMSBURG
MAKE SCHOOL COLLABORATION

Wow. Hipsters are with us--and we love them.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:21 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
I saw that Brooklyn Legal Services Corporation is on that list. Is that the one that Gary Schlesinger, of my Satmarim right here in Williamsburg!, supports? Mensch!
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:24 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
As well as El Puente's ACTUAL employment of persons in the community, as well as ACTUAL art, and service to ALL the cultures of the community, here is Congresswoman Nydia Velasquez, who has also pledged opposition to the Corporate Business Academy:

Nydia Margarita Velázquez (born March 28, 1953) is the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district, serving since 1993. She is a member of the Democratic Party. The district includes residential areas of three boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan). She is the first Puerto Rican woman to be elected to Congress, and the chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus until January 3, 2011.

Velázquez, whose father worked the sugar cane fields, was one of nine siblings born in Yabucoa, Puerto Rico. She was raised with the influence of political dinner table conversations. Her father was a local political activist and, from a young age, she would accompany her father to political rallies. Her father would focus on the rights of sugar cane workers and denounce the abuse perpetrated by wealthy farmers.[1]
After skipping a grade, she entered high school when she was 13. In high school she organized her classmates on a protest and the school was closed down. Their protest against the dangerous and unsanitary conditions of the school caused the necessary renovations to be made.
In 1969, when she was 16, she enrolled in the University of Puerto Rico. In 1974 she graduated magna cum laude and became the first one in her family to receive a college diploma. She then went to New York City, where she attended and studied political science, on a scholarship, at New York University. In 1976 she received her Master's degree.[1]
Velázquez was a university professor, first in the University of Puerto Rico at Humacao, (1976–81) and then at New York's Hunter College (1981–83).[1]
Throughout her career, Velázquez has been an advocate of many Latino rights programs and associations. During her time serving as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs in the United States, Velázquez initiated one of the most successful Latino empowerment programs in the nation’s history - "Atrevete" (Dare to Go for It!). She taught Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College and became the first Latino woman to serve on the New York City Council. In December 2011, Velázquez admitted to Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields question she did not know what Operation Fast and Furious was at a Congressional Hispanic Caucus event, and, fellow New York Democrat, Rep. Jose Enrique Serrano, also admitted to TheDC that he was unaware of Fast and Furious when approached for questions about the scandal. [2]

In 1983, she was appointed Special Assistant to Representative Edolphus Towns (D-Brooklyn). In 1984, she became the first Latina appointed to serve as a member of the New York City Council. In 1986, she served as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs of the U.S. During that time, she initiated a successful Latino empowerment program called "Atrevete"(dare to go for it).[1]

In 1992, Velázquez was elected as a Democrat to represent New York's 12th Congressional District in Congress. As a Representative, Velázquez has focused on building a legislative agenda that lobbies to increase the opportunities for the nation's 47 million Hispanics, including the over 2.3 million Hispanics currently residing in New York City.[3]
Throughout her career as a New York Representative, Nydia Velázquez has consistently and fully supported pro-choice and family planning interests groups such as the NARAL Pro-Choice America and the Planned Parenthood. Velázquez has consistently shown support of the National Farmers' Union. She has shown no support of interests groups that are against animal rights and animal rightists.[4]
In 2009, Velázquez voted against the amendment Prohibiting Federally Funded Abortion Services. In the past year, Velázquez has supported the Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations, the Unemployment Benefits Association, and the Unemployment Benefits Extension. Velázquez has also consistently voted in favor of bills attempting to strengthen women's rights such as the Employment Discrimination Law Amendments, Equal Pay Bill and the Inculsion of Consolidated Appropriations.[4]

Committee assignments
Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Subcommittee on Insurance, Housing and Community Opportunity
Committee on Small Business (Ranking Member)
[edit]Caucus memberships
Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Congressional Progressive Caucus
Women’s Issues Caucus
Out of Iraq Caucus
Asian Pacific American Caucus
Congressional Caucus on the Census
Congressional Children’s Caucus
Congressional Jobs and Fair Trade Caucus
Empowerment Zone and Enterprise Community (EZ/EC) Caucus
Human Rights Caucus
Older American’s Caucus
Urban Caucus
On September 29, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez voted in favor of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. On November 19, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez was elected by her peers in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) to lead the group for the 111th Congress.[1]
Prior to removing her name from consideration, she was considered a possible candidate to be appointed to the United States Senate by Governor David Paterson after New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was nominated by President Barack Obama's cabinet.[5]
Among her "firsts" are: the first Hispanic woman to serve on the New York City Council; the first Puerto Rican woman to serve in Congress; the first woman Ranking Democratic Member of the House Small Business Committee. Velázquez became the first woman to chair the United States House Committee on Small Business in January 2007 as well as the first Hispanic woman to chair a House standing committee.[1]
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Jan. 19, 2012, 2:27 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
It listed all these community organizations! Wow. So many good people. All the time I hear, "Prophet, don't go past that Broadway--there are only bad people there and they don't care about God or community." How can that be, God, Your Name Is Always Blessed? It's a sin to lie! I just got this list from the Broadway Triangle website. Are all these organizations involved?

Churches United for Fair Housing

St. Stephen’s United Church of God Outreach Inc.

Association of Hispanic Ministers (Interdenominational)

106 Gerry Street Tenants Association

St. Peter Claver Roman Catholic Church

All Saints Corp.

Our Lady of the Rosary Roman Catholic Church

Nuestros Niños Child Development School

St. Lucy – St. Patrick Roman Catholic Church

St. Martin de Porres Roman Catholic Parish

United Neighbors Organization

Our Lady of Monserrate Roman Catholic Church

Bushwick United Headstart

Community & Parents Day Care

St. John the Baptist Roman Catholic Church

Cooper Park Tenants Association

St. Nicholas Neighborhood Preservation Corp.

Passionist Community of Our Lady of Monserrate Roman Catholic Church

El Puente

All Saints Roman Catholic Church

Central Jewish Council

First Spanish Presbyterian Church

Los Sures Community Development Company, Inc.

Mary of Nazareth Roman Catholic Parish

United Jewish Community Advocacy Relations and Enrichment (UJCARE)

Pratt Institute – Newman Club

41 Whipple Street Tenants Association

Opportunities for a Better Tomorrow

Our Lady of Victory Roman Catholic Church

Passionist Center for Justice, Peace, and the Integrity of Creation at North Brooklyn

Marcy Houses Tenant Association

St. Brigid’s Roman Catholic Church

Trinity Human Services

Our Lady of Good Counsel Roman Catholic Church

Primera Iglesia Getsemani (Pentecostal)

Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church

Most Holy Trinity Roman Catholic Church

St. Michael – St. Edward Roman Catholic Church

Save Our Southside

Bushwick Housing Independence Project

Brooklyn Legal Services Corporation A, Counsel
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Jan. 19, 2012, 2:28 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Nydia Margarita Velázquez (born March 28, 1953) is the U.S. Representative for New York's 12th congressional district, serving since 1993. She is a member of the Democratic Party. The district includes residential areas of three boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan). She is the first Puerto Rican woman to be elected to Congress, and the chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus until January 3, 2011.

Velázquez, whose father worked the sugar cane fields, was one of nine siblings born in Yabucoa, Puerto Rico. She was raised with the influence of political dinner table conversations. Her father was a local political activist and, from a young age, she would accompany her father to political rallies. Her father would focus on the rights of sugar cane workers and denounce the abuse perpetrated by wealthy farmers.[1]
After skipping a grade, she entered high school when she was 13. In high school she organized her classmates on a protest and the school was closed down. Their protest against the dangerous and unsanitary conditions of the school caused the necessary renovations to be made.
In 1969, when she was 16, she enrolled in the University of Puerto Rico. In 1974 she graduated magna cum laude and became the first one in her family to receive a college diploma. She then went to New York City, where she attended and studied political science, on a scholarship, at New York University. In 1976 she received her Master's degree.[1]
Velázquez was a university professor, first in the University of Puerto Rico at Humacao, (1976–81) and then at New York's Hunter College (1981–83).[1]
Throughout her career, Velázquez has been an advocate of many Latino rights programs and associations. During her time serving as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs in the United States, Velázquez initiated one of the most successful Latino empowerment programs in the nation’s history - "Atrevete" (Dare to Go for It!). She taught Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College and became the first Latino woman to serve on the New York City Council. In December 2011, Velázquez admitted to Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields question she did not know what Operation Fast and Furious was at a Congressional Hispanic Caucus event, and, fellow New York Democrat, Rep. Jose Enrique Serrano, also admitted to TheDC that he was unaware of Fast and Furious when approached for questions about the scandal. [2]

In 1983, she was appointed Special Assistant to Representative Edolphus Towns (D-Brooklyn). In 1984, she became the first Latina appointed to serve as a member of the New York City Council. In 1986, she served as the Director of the Department of Puerto Rican Community Affairs of the U.S. During that time, she initiated a successful Latino empowerment program called "Atrevete"(dare to go for it).[1]

In 1992, Velázquez was elected as a Democrat to represent New York's 12th Congressional District in Congress. As a Representative, Velázquez has focused on building a legislative agenda that lobbies to increase the opportunities for the nation's 47 million Hispanics, including the over 2.3 million Hispanics currently residing in New York City.[3]
Throughout her career as a New York Representative, Nydia Velázquez has consistently and fully supported pro-choice and family planning interests groups such as the NARAL Pro-Choice America and the Planned Parenthood. Velázquez has consistently shown support of the National Farmers' Union. She has shown no support of interests groups that are against animal rights and animal rightists.[4]
In 2009, Velázquez voted against the amendment Prohibiting Federally Funded Abortion Services. In the past year, Velázquez has supported the Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations, the Unemployment Benefits Association, and the Unemployment Benefits Extension. Velázquez has also consistently voted in favor of bills attempting to strengthen women's rights such as the Employment Discrimination Law Amendments, Equal Pay Bill and the Inculsion of Consolidated Appropriations.[4]

Committee assignments
Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Subcommittee on Insurance, Housing and Community Opportunity
Committee on Small Business (Ranking Member)
[edit]Caucus memberships
Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Congressional Progressive Caucus
Women’s Issues Caucus
Out of Iraq Caucus
Asian Pacific American Caucus
Congressional Caucus on the Census
Congressional Children’s Caucus
Congressional Jobs and Fair Trade Caucus
Empowerment Zone and Enterprise Community (EZ/EC) Caucus
Human Rights Caucus
Older American’s Caucus
Urban Caucus
On September 29, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez voted in favor of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. On November 19, 2008, Congresswoman Velázquez was elected by her peers in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) to lead the group for the 111th Congress.[1]
Prior to removing her name from consideration, she was considered a possible candidate to be appointed to the United States Senate by Governor David Paterson after New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was nominated by President Barack Obama's cabinet.[5]
Among her "firsts" are: the first Hispanic woman to serve on the New York City Council; the first Puerto Rican woman to serve in Congress; the first woman Ranking Democratic Member of the House Small Business Committee. Velázquez became the first woman to chair the United States House Committee on Small Business in January 2007 as well as the first Hispanic woman to chair a House standing committee.[1]
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Jan. 19, 2012, 2:29 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Uber mensch, that Gary Schlesinger--if we're being accurate. It's not his issue, but I bet he would support us. The Satmarim in Williamsburg consist of two branches of the same illustrious family. Sometimes we've had tension with them, but not because they're Jewish--because of finite space. We wish them well and God bless, and look forward to alliances in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty)
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:29 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Hey, you're right. That's fun.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:29 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Aw shucks, Dennis, do you wish us hipsters well also?
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:30 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Okay, gotta get to work. Seeya guys.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:31 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Now, back to your people, and that God, His Name Be Praised, stir and raise prophets among your people to their permanent posterity. I just read this link about Los Sures. They are old! Well, not as old as me, or God, Who Sees From the Highest But Cannot Be Seen, but they have been serving your people for more than 30 years! Surely, these politicians must listen to them. This is from their site:

"Williamsburg, Brooklyn has changed drastically in the last few decades from an affordable alternative to Manhattan to a neighborhood sought out by an up-and-coming artistic community. As Williamsburg became more gentrified and demand for the area increased, rents continued to rise and have more than doubled in the past few years alone. Families who have lived in the neighborhood for years began to feel the economic strain when they could no longer afford to stay in their apartments, and an entire community found themselves in need of assistance."

http://www.lossures.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6&Itemid=2
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:33 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
They also said this:

"Thirty six years ago, with minimal staff and a handful of volunteers, Los Sures began the daunting task of rebuilding its community, the Southside of Williamsburg, Brooklyn. The community residents who started the organization were responding to an epidemic of landlord abandonment, withdrawal of city services, and illegal evictions by landlords. Illegal evictions included some property owners who were trying to vacate their buildings in order to change the ethnic composition of the neighborhood. Los Sures fought back by promoting community-based control of housing, through both management and ownership. In 1975, Los Sures became the first community-based organization to enter into agreements to manage City-owned properties. A few years later, it was one of the first groups to undertake large-scale rehabilitation. Today, Los Sures is regarded as a pioneer in both the management and development of low-income housing. The organization remains committed to its founders' mission: to create a growing and satisfying community in the building of a more humane environment."
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:36 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Those are the old cats from around here, Prophet. Old-skool, from way back in the day--for Real. Not for fake. We owe them big time. But it's not just old cats--it gots its young cats, too. Like Esteban Duran--he's been on Community Board 1 since 2005, CHAIR OF THE EDUCATION AND YOUTH COMMITTEE.

Sounds like a qualified man to me.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:38 pm
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
This Mr. Duran [he has the last name of the finest lightweight boxing champion that God, His Name Be Forever Praised, ever created]:

"Esteban Duran is a lifelong Brooklyn resident. Esteban’s parents immigrated from the Caribbean in the early 1970s, and settled in the south of Williamsburg. Esteban’s family stressed dedication to community service, and became leaders at Transfiguration Parish. Esteban went on to graduate from Transfiguration Catholic School, La Salle Academy, and then got his BA from the University of Connecticut. After graduating from college, Esteban went to work as a youth organizer for the El Puente after-school program at MS 50. The position was a homecoming; Esteban was a member of El Puente as a youth, and he credits the opportunities he had there as one of the main reasons for keeping him off the streets.

In 2003, Esteban was selected to join the National Urban Fellows program and had the opportunity to work in the Chicago Public Schools. After successfully completing his assignment in Chicago, which included working with Arne Duncan, the current U.S. Secretary of Education, Esteban graduated with his Masters in Public Administration from Baruch College in 2004. In 2005, Esteban worked for Council member Diana Reyna and helped in her successful reelection bid. In 2006, Esteban joined the NYC Council as a Policy Analyst and then worked for the NYC Department of Education as an Education Council Specialist. In that role, Esteban helped train parent volunteers across New York City on how to access quality education and help advocate for their children’s needs."
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:40 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That's right! And you know what's interesting? I had my First Holy Communion at Transfiguration Church! Thank you for reminding me. I will go walk out there now and donate some clothes and other materials.
Jan. 19, 2012, 2:41 pm
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
To attempt some answer to the query about the school that is slated to open at PS 19 in the Fall, here is the statement offered by the DOE:
__________________________________________

If this proposal is approved, P.S. 019 would be phased out gradually over the next several years and would no longer admit new kindergarten students after the end of this school year.

Below are the enrollment plans for current P.S. 019 students, if the school were to phase out.

 Current kindergarten and first-grade students would remain at P.S. 019 until the end of the 2011-12 school
year and then would be assigned to the new school that would open in September 2012 in the P.S. 019
building.
 Current second, third, and fourth-grade students would remain at P.S. 019 and would continue on to the
next grade level at P.S. 019 in September 2012; these students would remain at P.S. 019 through
graduation.
 Current fifth-grade students would have the opportunity to graduate from P.S. 019 Roberto Clemente at the end of this school year and will participate in the Middle School Choice process. These students will enroll
in sixth grade at a choice middle school or their zoned middle school.

Next school year, P.S. 019 would serve students in grades three, four and five. Then, during the following school
year, P.S. 019 would serve students in grades four and five. Finally, during the 2014-2015 school year, P.S. 019
would only serve students in grade five. P.S. 019 would close in June 2015 after its phase out is complete.

Supporting Current Students

The DOE remains focused on helping P.S. 019 students to succeed. If this proposal is approved, P.S. 019 would be
provided targeted, customized and intensive supports aimed at the unique needs of the school and its students. This support would be in the areas of budget, staffing, programming, community engagement, guidance, and enrollment including, but not limited to:

 Helping the school provide students with options that support their advancement, and fully prepare students
for their next transition point;
 Working with school staff to foster a positive culture; and
 Supporting school leadership in efficiently and strategically allocating resources to ensure a consistent and coherent school environment focused on student outcomes.


As we work together to create better options for the P.S. 019 community, we will keep in mind what has worked at
P.S. 019 and do our best to incorporate those positive elements into plans for a replacement school. For example:

 We will work with the community to retain partnerships with community organizations that are offering
valuable services to the school; and
 We will consider what elements of the school structure are working and do our best to include those
features in a replacement school.

Next Steps and What You Can Expect

In January, the DOE will invite the P.S. 019 community to participate in a joint public hearing co-hosted by the
DOE, the District 14 Community Education Council, and P.S. 019’s School Leadership Team. As soon as the
hearing has been scheduled, we will notify you of the date and also share with you the formal proposal to phase out
P.S. 019. During the joint public hearing, community members, including parents and students, will be able to share
their thoughts on the phase-out proposal.

The proposal to phase out P.S. 019 will be voted on by the Panel for Educational Policy, which is composed of
members appointed by Mayor Bloomberg and the five Borough Presidents, during a public meeting scheduled for
February 9, 2012. During this meeting, the public will have another opportunity to comment on the proposal.
If the PEP approves the proposal, P.S. 019 would not accept new students next school year. If the proposal to open a new school in the building where K019 is located is approved, the new school would open in September 2012.

Sharing Your Concerns and Questions

The DOE is seeking your feedback on the proposal. We will record your comments and include them in our
Analysis of Public Comment, which is presented to the PEP prior to the vote on the proposal. Please submit your
comments at:
Phone: 212-374-0208
Online: http://schools.nyc.gov/community/planning/changes/brooklyn/proposal?id=69

If you find that to be inadequate, well, so do I. I read at least twice that they will "work with the community." My expectation is that our elected officials and the other members of the Southside Community Schools Coalition will begin meetings with the DOE and affected parents to discuss the plans. If this is not the DOE's expectation, then we will need to put pressure on them until they agree that it is in the best interests of the school that the community is included in the decision-making process. Check back if you are interested in working to assure these plans meet the needs of the community. As of now I am not sure where to direct queries from a forum like this but i will post contact info soon.
Jan. 19, 2012, 11:47 pm
Parent from Williamsburg says:
Why do I get that sinking feeling of de ja vu here? The cycle of abandonment, more processing of our children through with no hope of getting an adequate education? Our public school system is creating a permanent underclass -- the forgotten half.
Jan. 20, 2012, 12:10 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
wow this page hadn't refreshed when I typed that- what a lot of back and forth since! I just want to mention a foundation of the activism in our community- many of the people you have identified here, and many others, were inspired in their activism and service by Msgr. Bryan Karvelis of Transfiguration Parish

http://www.jesuscaritasusa.org/Fraternity%20Life/US_early_history.html

Msgr. Bryan Karvelis

Ordained in the late 1950s, Msgr. Bryan Karvelis died in October 2005, after half a century of priestly ministry and just a couple of months before the beatification of Brother Charles of Jesus. Bryan had grown up in St. Boniface Parish in Brooklyn, and served for almost fifty years as pastor of Transfiguration Parish in the same town. Former New York socialite Dorothy Day, turned apostle-to-the-poor, greatly influenced him. He settled homeless people – mostly immigrants from Latin America – in the rectory, the basement of the convent, and in a shelter across the street from the church. He also turned the former convent into a refuge for AIDS patients.

Charles de Foucauld, like Dorothy Day, was also a powerful influence on the life Msgr. Karvelis who is remembered as an “urban contemplative.” (National Catholic Reporter, March 10, 2000) In 1966, Msgr. Karvelis began “mini churches” at Transfiguration Parish in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, as a way for parishioners to develop a deeper relationship with Jesus and his message. “Each ‘fraternity’ consisted of fifteen to twenty members who meet in the church basement for study prayer and reflection,” the National Catholic Reporter wrote in the early spring of Jubilee Year 2000. Within his parish, he organized Jesus Caritas-type fraternities akin to the comunidades de base of Latin America. They became the organizational basis for the whole parish – a community of small communities – and his parish council practically functioned as a Jesus Caritas Fraternity. Karvelis lit a holy fire in Brooklyn, and it inspired a group of highly enthusiastic social-action type priests with a new zeal. The priests of his parish and others of surrounding parishes came to recognize that they needed more prayerful reflection in order to balance their priestly lives. They were going about doing good, and busy about many things, but perhaps not giving sufficient attention to the one thing necessary.

Msgr. Bryan Karvelis wrote about the Eastern USA experiences of Fraternity in A New Tree Grows in Brooklyn, a homage to the Broadway play of that title. His option to serve the poor cost him dearly in his later years, as he suffered from hostile non-Catholic elements that literally beat him various times. In spite of illness that included a kidney transplant, Father Karvelis continued to be enthusiastic about having founded Jesus Caritas Fraternities.
Jan. 20, 2012, 12:21 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
and another interesting influence were the Vista volunteers who came to Williamsburg in the 1970's - I suspect they were also influenced by Msgr. Karvelis in their own way, and they brought new skills to the efforts to secure and improve the lives of Williamsburg residents. From memory, I believe that Cathy Herman & Barbara Schliff of Los Sures/Southside United HDFC, Jan Peterson of so many achievements and organizations, most recently GROOTS and Renaissance, and (drum roll....) Vito Lopez! all came to this community as Vista volunteers. There are others I can't think of now, it's an interesting history they all share, and an interesting dynamic between them in the present day (to put it mildly!)
Jan. 20, 2012, 12:27 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
and parent from Williamsburg, I feel you! sinking feeling, deja vu, and all!
Jan. 20, 2012, 12:29 am
Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
(but we're still gonna push back!)
Jan. 20, 2012, 12:29 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
All power to the parents of PS 19! Not just to save Roberto Clemente, but to bring in the resources it needs. Is it really true that PS 19 has no math or science teacher, librarian or computer lab, and that the school got an F on its DOE report card?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120119/williamsburg-greenpoint-bushwick/school-marked-for-closure-does-not-have-math-or-science-teacher#ixzz1k0mScwcH
Jan. 20, 2012, 10:20 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
Here’s what I don’t understand: we have quantifiable, undeniable evidence we spend too much on education (global comparison) and are failing an ungodly number of children with unpardonable drop out rates, embarrassing PISA scores, appalling NAEP scores, far too many filthy, dilapidated and unsafe schools yet the media demands supporters of school choice make the case for change!?! Why don’t media demand supporters of the “status quo” explain why they should be given another 4 decades and countless more generations of our children while we all wait for them to “fix” education? Clearly those with the power to help our children do NOT have our children as their #1 priority. The time of this being an issue of pedagogy has long past. It is now a civil rights issue.
Jan. 20, 2012, 11:13 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Let me quote from my comment in part, made at 9:23am yesterday on thread for "W'burg Parents Fight City's School-Closing Plan". The comment is directed towards the specific circumstances behind PS 19's impending closure and decommission, but they also apply and explain the hysterical and demagogic canard vomited onto this thread by a supposed "Parent from Williamsburg":

"Firstly, let's get rid of some canards that some people are throwing up here about "failing schools" in our District. In anticipation of the changing landscape, the Mayor's Office and the Department of Education began an oversight program at PS 19 a few years ago when it was an 'A' rated school.

Upon that intervention, significant personnel were withdrawn or denied the school: it therewith functioned without an assistant principal, several teacher vacancies went unfilled, equipment and supplies were withdrawn. Like the community around them, the City and the DOE had imposed their own policy of "benign neglect." The school plummeted into a 'failing' grade--the agencies imposing the grade being the same "faceless bureaucrats" as those who came in with their phony intervention."
Jan. 20, 2012, 11:25 pm
Laurie from Hydell says:
I attended the public hearing this past Tuesday night and was within two blocks of the school when i all i could hear was chanting! I and a friend attended this meeting in support of Success Academy. We had never been to anything like this before and both have two young daughters that currently attend school at a public school in Williamsburg. May i say we came with an open mind and were interested in hearing both sides. Sadly I was not able to hear anything because i had the pleasure of sitting next to a group of women who screamed in my ear the whole time. This was far from quiet or peaceful! Believe me there were more than just two people in support of Success Academy. At one point early on I happened to see a family of 5 with two young daughters wearing Success Academy uniforms. They left within a half hour because she commented on the group of women screaming behind them. I don't believe for one second that anyone speaking on behalf of Success Academy would not have been booed off. It was an experience I do not wish to endure again.
Jan. 20, 2012, 11:39 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Hmmm, someone from "Hydell."

Anyway, I reject that as false. That is not the characterization that many persons have made here about the meeting, and their characterizations have been reasonable.

And, saying "one is on the fence" is quoted out of the Fox News "Fair & Balanced" playbook: it's nonsense. It's a bromide that is thrown in as a preface to weak remarks and flagrant mischaracterization to give those weak remarks and flagrant mischaracterizations the appearance of legitimacy or even-handedness. One who deceives is not even-handed.

I was at this meeting, and whereas there were mountains of passion, it was all entirely "call-and-response": the crowd was peaceful until their leaders and advocates spoke--then they were galvanized. No one was treated inhospitably--in fact, when the ONE PERSON who spoke in favor of Success Academy rose to the mic, she was initially greeted with mild hisses. The minister from the First Presbyterian Church shushed them quickly and decisively with a "Respecto!" His command was repeated by others until it washed across the whole room and the entire crowd silenced even their mild conversations.

So, Laurie from Hydell, not Laurie from Williamsburg I might add--I reject your characterization as FALSE.
Jan. 20, 2012, 11:49 pm
Parent from Williamsburg says:
The opportunity before us in Williamsburg is unique. We have an incredibly diverse and young neighborhood that can achieve things that the rest of New York City has left behind -- the idea of creating a modern, energetic, integrated, new way of approaching education that takes advantage of small and many schools that provide true choice to parents -- not just in the demographics of the classroom but also in the kinds of models presented by its educators. Let's hope that we have turned a corner and are ready to lead an avant garde of schools that are not afraid to innovate in the classroom. Rather than accept the old -- and failing -- way of teaching from the textbook and reciting lessons, let us seek a multitude of teaching models that challenge our youth using the tools of the 21st Century. We can be the town of diverse arts and culture, and impart these same themes in the classroom. What about schools that focus on the music of La Systema (from Venezuela), project-based learning from the Emilia Reggio tradition, or schools that focus on the firm logic of science and math. Of course, we need teachers to do this and we should be willing to bring in the best and brightest from around the country, if not the world. Sound far-fetched? Not really if you relinquish the old mantel of insular society and truly embrace the globalization of today's world. We live in New York City for goodness sake! Let us not accept the parochial and xenophobic. Let us celebrate our own but also look to the freshness of new ideas that "newcomers" can bring to teach our children. Isn't that what has made New York great to begin with?
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:01 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I also reject the call from "Parent from Williamsburg" as entirely FALSE. A legitimate request or desire for "choice" does not include pandering that implicitly or explicitly endorses the displacement of present schools. That is entirely a false dichotomy--the parents, teachers, students and the Southside Coalition that is opposed to the Corporate Business Academy imposing space at JHS 50 are not opposed to "change" and "choice." These are nothing but sophisticated but empty bromides and sedatives read right out of a "press release"--they are not substantive.

Someone who genuinely supports "choice" does not support the displacement of institutions in the area. Again, that is not choice--clearing the area of options but the one is the very ANTITHESIS of choice.

To prove that the Corporate Business Academy does not END in displacement but BEGINS with displacement will be informed by this Daily News article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/east-york-williamsburg-residents-young-writers-stay-put-article-1.1005891

To all these pseudonyms and absentee entities talking nonsense about "change" and "choice", please at least substantiate your loquacity.
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:05 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Oh, and FYI everyone--"Parent from Williamsburg" is Ethan Pettit from Park Slope who often claims to be from "East Williamsburg" in the same way the Corporate Business Academy is about "change" and "choice." Compare the language between the previous post from "Parent from Williamsburg" and his. The vocabulary, syntax, grammar and even the typology is the same--nonsense about how opposing displacement is actually "parochialism" and "insular."

I only post this to warn all of you--I have no intention of responding to him otherwise. He posts as "Parent from Williamsburg" because he understands I won't respond to him directly and I will instruct others to do the same--he has been doing this nonsense with multiple identities spewing social darwinist nonsense for years and many community residents are familiar with his tactics. He gets a perverse thrill from being responded to, and is attempting to get that as "Parent from Williamsburg"--mind you, he is no parent, and he is not from Williamsburg.
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:15 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
My "loquacity" is based on this: unless our youth are able to attain more than secondary school education, they will be permanently trapped in the underclass. 21st Century jobs are no longer available to those who merely complete high school. This has been proven by a recent Harvard School of Education study, which was published last January. The numbers in that study are truly staggering. Since 1973, the number of job available to high-school grads or drop-outs has remained stagnant, while the entire growth of new jobs in our economy belong to those who at least have attained an associate's or bachelor's degree. The Harvard study shows an incredible statistic that for those teens not in school at ages 16-19, the unemployment rate for African-Americans is an unbelievable 91%, and for Hispanics, 85%! In short, there are no jobs for minority drop-outs. This leads to an undeniable cycle of lost hope, dropping out of society, crime, drugs and other self-destructive behavior. Thus, the future of today's minority youth depends absolutely on getting a solid lower school education that leads to the opportunity of not only a high school degree, but then advancing to college. Accepting schools where children are unable to keep up with even the most basic standards of literacy and numeracy means accepting failure for these kids. Education studies also show that it takes only two school grades of below-standard performance to create a statistically significant chance that a child will not be able later to remediate to grade-level performance. (This was reported in the 2009 Stanford CREDO study.) So, if we want to keep the hope of social mobility alive in America, we better teach our children how to prepare for college, or be left permanently behind.
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:22 am
Parent from Williamsburg says:
The Framers themselves loved writing under pseudonyms so that their ideas could be debated purely without regard to the personal baggage that identities invariably bring. That is what made the Federalist Papers such an invigorating academic debate. Perhaps that is what we are achieving again in the Brooklyn Paper :)
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:35 am
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Psalm 130:1
A Song of Ascents.
Out of the Depths I cry to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear my voice!
Let Your Ears be attentive
to the voice of my supplications!

Roberto Clemente Walker (August 18, 1934 – December 31, 1972) was a Puerto Rican Major League Baseball right fielder. He was born in Carolina, Puerto Rico, the youngest of seven children. Clemente played his entire 18-year baseball career with the Pittsburgh Pirates (1955–72). He was awarded the National League's Most Valuable Player Award in 1966. Clemente was selected to participate in the league's All Star Game on 15 occasions. He won 12 Gold Glove Awards and he led the league in batting average in four different seasons. He was also involved in humanitarian work in Puerto Rico and other Latin American countries, often delivering baseball equipment and food to them. He died in an aviation accident on December 31, 1972, while en route to deliver aid to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. He was elected to the Hall of Fame posthumously in 1973, thus becoming the first Latin American to be selected and the only current Hall of Famer for whom the mandatory five-year waiting period has been waived since the wait was instituted in 1954. Clemente is also the first Hispanic player to win a World Series as a starter (1960), win a league MVP award (1966) and win a World Series MVP award (1971).
Jan. 21, 2012, 12:36 am
Caller Out from Called You Out says:
Um, this guy Ethan, if he is "Parent from Williamsburg", and I guess he is, since parent from Williamsburg is admitting it in the last post, is proving he is a liar. Look, in the last post under his real name, he pretends to support PS 19, "All power to the parents of PS 19! Not just to save Roberto Clemente, but to bring in the resources it needs. Is it really true that PS 19 has no math or science teacher, librarian or computer lab, and that the school got an F on its DOE report card?"

Then, as Parent of Williamsburg, he is criticizing those same parents he cheers, "parochial and xenophobic."

Using two identities to express two opposing opinions, to pretend to support parents under one identity and then to oppose them in the other, sounds dishonest to me. It doesn't sound like our Founding Fathers.
Jan. 21, 2012, 1:24 am
Prophet Elijah from Elijah's Neighborhood says:
Roberto was born in Carolina, Puerto Rico, to Don Melchor Clemente and Luisa Walker. He was the youngest of seven siblings, having four brothers and two sisters. During his childhood, Don Melchor worked as foreman of the sugar crops located in the municipality.[1] The family's resources were limited and Roberto had to work to earn money; this work included delivering milk cans to the family's neighbors. Clemente demonstrated interest in baseball early in his life and would often play against neighboring barrios. He studied at Vizcarondo High School, a public school located in Carolina. During his first year in high school, he was recruited by Roberto Marin to play softball with the Sello Rojo team; Marin had taken interest in Clemente when he saw him playing baseball in Barrio San Anton.[2] He was with the team two years, playing shortstop. Clemente joined Puerto Rico's amateur league when he was sixteen years old; while there, he played for the Ferdinand Juncos team, which represented the municipality of Juncos.[3]
On November 14, 1964, he married Vera Zabala at San Fernando Church in Carolina. The couple had three children: Roberto Jr., Luis Roberto and Enrique Roberto.
Jan. 21, 2012, 1:38 am
Reality from Williamsburg says:
The schools in Williamsburg have been bad for 40-50 years. People with any means sent their kids to Catholic school, moved away, or sent their kids to schools in Manhattan.

Only people who had no choice send their kids to the schools around here.

In the next two years 2-3 charter schools are going to come into this neighborhood, and entrenched groups and the far left will protest, but it is going to happen and in the end the winners will be the children
Jan. 21, 2012, 9:57 am
Question for Kate Yourke from Williamsburg says:
Do your kids go to Public School in Williamsburg?
Jan. 21, 2012, 9:58 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I am going to advise K. Yourke NOT to answer that question since someone here already illicitly took a private communication on a private listserv with her children's names and ages and posted it here on a public thread in violation of the listserv's terms of service, clearly with the intent to draw harassment towards her children. Please, stop with the personal attacks and the false attempts at undermining K. Yourke's integrity. She is a well-respected community leader who is recognized as integral and substantive by many opposing groups in our community.
Jan. 21, 2012, 10:33 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
In answer to "Reality from Williamsburg," who has his/her Orwell on overdrive, I paste David from N. 3rd's previous post:

"(1) Charters have been around long enough that there are now a number of academic studies that show that in general they do not outperform traditional public schools. The most extensive I know of is a Stanford study: http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/MULTIPLE_CHOICE_CREDO.pdf

(2) There is a good deal of evidence from global education reform efforts that indicates that the entire charter paradigm of shifting to privatization and testing does not work, and that the paradigm that's required is that of professionalization (my word) - that what succeeds is to elevate teaching to the status of a profession like other critical services like law and medicine; making the investments in training to turn teachers into professionals (just as nobody becomes a lawyer or doctor with just an undergraduate degree, the same should be of teaching, as this argument goes); demanding the results expected from a professional; and socially and culturally giving the respect accorded to a professional. The most notable example of this is Finland, that kicks everyone else's butts in international testing:

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/82329/education-reform-Finland-US
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/

Note that David from N. 3rd substantiates his REAL points with identifiable, verifiable and substantive sources. "Reality from Williamsburg" is quoting from Mad-Libs for Corporate Sloganeering.
Jan. 21, 2012, 10:35 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
@Parent from Williamsburg. You make some very good points. However, I don't think this is about people being against charter schools per se. Luis Garden Acosta of El Puente stated that he is not against charter schools. What he is against is a particular charter school that he and many in the Latino community feel or perceive is not as accessible to them as it could be.

This is by no means an outrageous grievance, it's just a point that deserves to be addressed. Success Academy may have done diligent outreach to the Latino community, or they may not have, I don't know. But it doesn't invalidate Garden Acosta's point. We can all keep going back to the table with our issues. No big deal.

I am not a parent, and I'm really doing more listening and learning here. But can anyone tell me why we can't situate the charter school in a vacant warehouse? Is there some reason why it has to encroach upon PS 19? Is there a reason why we can't improve the district school system and also have charter schools, at the same time?
Jan. 21, 2012, 2:36 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
More choice all around, among better schools all around. Or is there something I'm missing.
Jan. 21, 2012, 2:59 pm
For Dennis from Williamsburg says:
Dennis, Katie loves attention. This is a article from Time Out NY.

So, give me a break.

http://timeoutnewyorkkids.com/guides-resources/family-life/57360/there-goes-the-neighborhood%E2%80%A6
Jan. 21, 2012, 9:19 pm
Answer For David N Post from Williamsburg says:
Lets compare apples to apples. Studies show that NYC Charter Schools do much better than district schools and Success blows away district schools.

Now, lets talk about Finland. It is a small homogenous country. You really can't compare Finland to the US.

However, if you want to make teaching a real profession than teachers should be able to be paid based on performance metrics and they should be able to be fired if they are bad.

Right now the teaching profession has no pay for performance and you really can't be fired even if you are awful.
Jan. 21, 2012, 9:25 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Ayiii !! That "funky tot" story in Time Out New York is yuppalicious! I used to be the biggest media hound in Williamsburg, but at least I wore a cocktail dress for my shot in New York Magazine.

And here we are tut-tutting about how someone revealed the names of certain children in what ... a "listserve?" Well, the kids are right here, name, rank and mug.

Kate Yourke should come clean now and tell us if her own children are in public or private schools. She's a Williamsburg mother advocating on schools. So what kind of school do your kids go to, Kate?

Toward the top of this thread I gave full disclosure on all the property I own and rent, what I do for a living, and what my intentions are, my personal agenda, in East Williamsburg. People deserve to know these things if they're giving you their time on an important matter, and especially if it's information that bares closely upon the topic at hand.

The anti-charter voices on this thread are not comporting themselves in a manner that does credit to their cause. Slander, secretiveness, absurd bouts of spam, loony-tune paranoia.

And guess what. I'm still going to defend them on one point. PS 19 is not just PS 19. It is also Roberto Clemente School, a local institution that binds a community. If the people who love this school can rally a robust, going-forward initiative for the school, then it would be foolhearty for the DOE not to ride with that initiative. So jazz up the PTA at Roberto Clemente and get something done for the place. Don't drone on about the DOE and the evils of capitalism. Come up with a plan.
Jan. 22, 2012, 4:24 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
The mumbo jumbo of an oppressed and semi-literate peoples. You run along there with your carnival mask and spook the pentecostals on the Southside, son.

http://timeoutnewyorkkids.com/guides-resources/family-life/57360/there-goes-the-neighborhood%E2%80%A6

This story wipes out any pretense whatsoever that Kate Yourke is "protecting the identity" of her children by not revealing their status. That is a fatuous lie that you and she have been incubating together throughout the whole of this thread. Come to think of it, I was wondering what that smell was. And it is getting repulsive real fast.

Kate York has already revealed the names and faces of her children in a major New York City publication. And vainly so. Now this forum deserves to know if it is true that she is actually a private school parent, lecturing to public school parents, all the while pretending to be Puerto Rican or something.

And you with your puerile litany of pseudonyms deign to suggest I am dissembling? I have already made it clear to this forum that I am the bourgeoise bohemian businessman mother——er who is gentrifying your ass out of here.

It only remains for Kate Yourke to come clean about what kind of school she sends her own children to.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
HA! You're stuck! scrambling for cover now behind smoke and buffalo sh*t. You been nabbed, son, pants down.

Kate Yourke: reveal the kind of school to which you send your children.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:20 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
It's too bad. I was defending your case. I too think Roberto Clemente should be saved. But you and Kate have utterly discredited yourselves here.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:25 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Los niños de Kate Yorke SE ENCUENTRAN en la escuela. The verb is reflexive. Did you go to this school by any chance?
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:31 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Kate Yourke. Bite the bullet, do the right thing. Reveal the school status of your children so you can be the forthright community activist they say you are. Tell the truth.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:34 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Kate Yourke: Do your children go to private school?
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:35 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Kate Yourke: Where do YOUR children go to school.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:46 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Several people on this thread have asked if Kate Yourke is a private or public school parent. A legitimate question given the subject matter. Why should it be a problem for her to tell us this?
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:48 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
I'm not asking for her daughters "whereabouts" Einstein. I'm asking if Kate Yourke is a member of the community of public school parents. Or not.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:50 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Kate, are you?
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:51 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Kate Yourke is advocating to keep this abysmal school in motion. As a matter of fact I'm inclined to think it might be a good idea. But does Kate Yourke send her children there? Or does she send them to another kind of school. We have to know what her personal interest is in the school and the issue. I have revealed quite clearly what my personal interest is in East Williamsburg.
Jan. 22, 2012, 11:54 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
All the posts are still here. If you call the Brooklyn Paper and throw a fit and say something about children, sure, they'll probably remove it without even understanding anything you say except the word "children."

This is by no means a dangerous or threatening situation. That's your bamboozled religious mind seeing bugaboos everywhere, as usual.

This issue is very important. But it is mild by the standards of Brooklyn political acrimony. It is perfectly appropriate and reasonable for Kate Yourke to tell us whether she pays tuition or not for her kids. And I would say hypocritical not to tell us. Given the subject matter. Given that she is leading this charge.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:03 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Son, you couldn't get of Facebook long enough to take responsibility for anything. Not a word I've said here is out of line. While you on the other hand are spilling slander all over the place.

Kate Yourke revealed the identity of her children to the world. I didn't. Just because it's an old article you think it can't be googled in five seconds?

She should have planned this better. She should have come clean right at the beginning, knowing that she had already done a spot in Time Out.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:13 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
You guys are a mess on this. Your spin is off. You've sunk your dialogue and discredited your argument. MY argument in support of YOUR position on PS19 is at least coherent. You're just spamming into the wind hoping someone will notice your Che Guevara beret.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:17 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
I'm wondering. Would your ego allow you to have me as an ally in support of PS19? Of course not. Because you don't give a rats ass about PS19. What you care about is boostering your delusional persona that no one takes seriously.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:21 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
You're a coward. You blow a lot steam. And then whenever I smoke out your heap of sh*t, you squawk that you're going to call the police, hit the abuse button, block me from "facebook," or you just whimper in an email: "Leave me alone!" You're pathetic.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:27 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
And so I agreed to leave you alone. And then I get a text message at three in the morning and it's Dennis trying really hard to let me know that he's not jealous that I got a writeup on some website I can't even remember.

What is really astounding is how transparent to the world your resentment is, and you don't even see it.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:30 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Never have I started anything with you online. I go to the same local news websites you do and talk to many of the same issues. Surprise surprise. And you in your delusional egomania think I'm looking for you. I talk to the issues, you then jump in and heap slander at me. That's the pattern. Everyone sees it. And you dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole every time.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:34 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Your slander becomes more impotent at each round. Because each time you do it I come back at you with a more penetrating analysis of the jealousy and resentment that has crippled you for the past 20 years.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:38 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
For example. You fume that artists are not instrumental in gentrification. You despise that idea more than anything, because it signals a power the artists may have that you don't. You hold that the artists are not important, and yet you crave their attention.
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:42 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Another example. You absolutely detest the suggestion that there is a creative economy in Brooklyn. Because it signals redemption and success for artists, and crow for Dennis to eat. So you vehemently deny that there is a creative economy. And yet everyone in New York knows there's a billion dollar creative economy in Brooklyn:

http://www.nycfuture.org/images_pdfs/pdfs/HarnessingBrooklyn.pdf
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:46 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
"Half a billion dollars on the books is the value of the creative economy in Brooklyn. That is larger than about 15 countries that participate in the International Monetary Fund. Add another half billion dollars in undeclared revenue and ancillary business, and you’ll get the actual impact of this economy."

— Brooklyn Economic Development Corporation

http://www.nycfuture.org/images_pdfs/pdfs/HarnessingBrooklyn.pdf
Jan. 22, 2012, 12:51 pm
Another Burg Parent from Williamsburg says:
Here's a little more background on the contention between the latinos and the "newcomers" in South Williamsburg:

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/null/2011/03/1722631/struggle-ps-84-after-battle-between-white-and-latino-parents-signs-hope?page=all
Jan. 22, 2012, 2:43 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I defer to the community leaders here and our elected representatives. Your rants don't merit response. They have been doing a fantastic job after decades of attack and deprivation--they know what they're doing and what to do. You're no one that they have to respond to you, and indeed, even with all your hook and crook, you fail to garner audience but me. So on with your demonomania--it makes no difference.
Jan. 22, 2012, 2:54 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Reading The Mystics of Spain by E. Allison Peers [2002] right now and it is fantastic. Highly recommend for any one who wants to understand the religious forces leading to the Columbine voyages to the Caribbean. Got it for $1 at the Strand:

http://books.google.com/books?id=GNZUy3qIWycC&source=gbs_similarbooks
Jan. 22, 2012, 4:09 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Excuse me, the book's historical period focuses on the 16th century, but the Introduction goes further back to before the expulsion of the Jews and Muslims from the Iberian Peninsula [the "other" big event of 1492], and the first two chapters are on Ramon Lull and Garcia de Cisneros, who precede in the 12th and mid-15th century, respectively.
Jan. 22, 2012, 4:16 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
HA! Son, you have no power here. No say about who people should respond to. They'll make up their own minds about that. The most you can do is sit in the bleachers and barf your slander and superstitious nonsense. And people will make up their own minds about you as well.
Jan. 23, 2012, 1:09 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
You "defer to the community leaders here and our elected representatives?" I sure as hell don't. Dennis Farr is now suddenly "deferring" to the politicians and leaders he's been foaming at the mouth about for 20 years? I'm disappointed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 1:30 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Wow! Looks like a lot slanderous posts on this thread were removed in the past 12 hours. Tisk tisk.
Jan. 23, 2012, 1:52 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Moreover, if Dennis Farr "defers" to our elected representatives and community leaders on the matter at hand, then maybe he should ask those leaders and officials if they think sexual slander is appropriate on a public dialogue about children and schools.
Jan. 23, 2012, 3:26 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Next up will be Dennis Farr declaring that he has been censored. Because his slanderous lies against me were removed. In other words, freedom of speech protects slander. Maybe in the banana republic of his mind it does, but not in the country the rest of us inhabit.
Jan. 23, 2012, 4:47 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
People, this clown has no credibility. He doesn't give a rats ass about any school in this neighborhood. His sole purpose is to hijack dialogues because he's fuming mad that we gentrified his dysfunctional ghetto.
Jan. 23, 2012, 5:19 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ramon Llull (Catalan pronunciation: [rəˈmoɲ ˈʎuʎ], (ca. 1232[1] – ca. 1315) (Anglicised Raymond Lully, Raymond Lull, in Latin Raimundus or Raymundus Lullus or Lullius) was a Majorcan writer and philosopher, logician and a Franciscan tertiary. He wrote the first major work of Catalan literature. Recently-surfaced manuscripts show him to have anticipated by several centuries prominent work on elections theory. He is sometimes considered a pioneer of computation theory, especially given his influence on Gottfried Leibniz. Llull is well known also as a glossator of Roman Law.
Within the Franciscan Order, he is honored as a martyr. He was beatified in 1857 by the Blessed Pope Pius IX and his feast day was assigned to 30 June and is celebrated by the Third Order of St. Francis.
Jan. 23, 2012, 8:38 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
How interesting, was he also homophobic?

And what does this have to do with PS 19 and charter schools?
Jan. 23, 2012, 8:48 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr has used sexual slander on this thread. His posts were removed. He is now repenting.
Jan. 23, 2012, 8:53 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr, you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't think you understand how serious that kind of slander is.
Jan. 23, 2012, 8:56 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
When you slander someone in sexual terms, it only shows the world that your own mind is distracted by sexual imagery, which shows a lack of intellectual discipline in the course of a discussion.
Jan. 23, 2012, 9:01 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Ah, when you look at the time stamps on all these posts, I can remember how well I slept last night. That I wasn't up in the middle of the night, frantically posting about someone. When I got up this morning I read from Genesis, Zohar 1:15a and more on Ramon Lull. Such an interesting figure:

Llull was born into a wealthy family in Palma, the capital of the new Kingdom of Majorca founded by James I of Aragon to integrate politically the recently-conquered territories of the Balearic Islands (nowadays part of Spain) in the Crown of Aragon. His parents had come from Catalunya as part of the colonizing efforts for the formerly-Arab island. As the island had been conquered militarily, all the Arabs who had not been able to flee the conquering Europeans had been enslaved; they still constituted a significant portion of the island's population, though.

Llull was well educated, and became the tutor of James II of Aragon. He was conversant in Latin, Catalan, Occitan (both considered the same language at the time as "popular Latin") and Arabic.

By 1257 he had married Blanca Picany and they had two children, Domènec and Magdalena; yet despite his family he lived, as before, a troubadour's life. About this time he became the Seneschal (the administrative head of the royal household) to the future King James II of Majorca, a relative of his wife.

A key event in his early life was his religious conversion. In 1265 he had a religious epiphany which he narrates in the Vita coaetanea ("Daily Life"), an "autobiography" which he dictated circa 1311 to a Carthusian monk at the charterhouse near Paris:
Ramon, while still a young man and Seneschal to the King of Majorca, was very given to composing worthless songs and poems and to doing other licentious things. One night he was sitting beside his bed, about to compose and write in his vulgar tongue a song to a lady whom he loved with a foolish love; and as he began to write this song, he looked to his right and saw our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross, as if suspended in mid-air.

The vision came to him five times in all. As a consequence of this conversion experience, he took the habit of the Third Order of St. Francis the following year. He left his position and family to live a life of solitude and study for the next nine years. During this time, he learned Arabic from a Muslim slave he purchased.
His first major work Art Abreujada d'Atrobar Veritat (The Abbreviated Art of Finding Truth) was written in Catalan and then translated into Latin. He wrote treatises on alchemy and botany, Ars Magna, and Llibre de meravelles. He wrote the romantic novel Blanquerna, the first major work of literature written in Catalan, and perhaps the first European novel. Llull pressed for the study of Arabic and other then-insufficiently studied languages in Spain for the purpose of converting Muslims to Christianity. He even wrote some books in Arabic.

His mission to convert the Jews of Europe was zealous, his goal to utterly relieve Christendom of any Jews or Jewish religious influence. Some scholars regard Llull's as the first comprehensive articulation, in the Christian West, of an expulsionist policy regarding Jews who refused conversion. To acquire converts, he worked for amicable public debate to foster an intellectual appreciation of a rational Christianity among the Jews of his time. His rabbinic opponents included Rabbi Shlomo ben Aderet of Barcelona and Moshe ben Shlomo of Salerno.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:24 am
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
I am always up all night working. I live in the city that never sleeps. Time for Dennis Farr to wake up.

Dennis Farr has used sexual slander on this thread. His posts were removed. Other people's posts that made the slightest reference to those slanderous lies were also removed.

Dennis is now hiding his shame behind pseudo-intellectuality.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:44 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Now, with the Internet as big as it is, with so many venues and so many articles and blogs and posts to discuss, this certain insignificant unnameable is like the monster from the Thing--that is, he becomes what he consumes. Specifically, he takes on the attributes of the people he despises so as to appear good, and projects his evil onto those same people so that, somehow, he can accuse them of engaging in his behavior.

For example, here is his L Magazine profile:
http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/Profile/Comments?oid=1826002&display=comments

If you care to take a careful look, this is a real profile and not something constructed to fit a deception, but is actually a real profile that what can look at and verify and see how someone behaves on the Internet, specifically L Magazine.

You can see in the profile that this particular insignificant has made 30 comments altogether. Of his 30 comments, 24 are responses to me in threads/discussions/posts I have initiated, not him. That's right, 8 out of 10 times he has posted on L Magazine have been in pursuit of me.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:47 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
On the NY Times, one can go to these threads where I have participated in discussion on my community. In each time, a certain insignificant someone appears, EACH AND EVERY TIME, only to pursue me:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/gauging-artists-contribution-to-property-values/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/realestate/perpendicular-to-brunch-block-by-block.html

If you go to the Gothamist website, and look for him here you will be able to click on the photo of his avatar which will thus bring up the software Disqus, which tracks your activity on Gothamist's website:

http://gothamist.com/2012/01/10/williamsburg_condo_the_edge_opens_b.php

If you take the time, you will see that this disturbed person has made a total of 20 comments on the Gothamist website. Of those, 13 are responses to me, after I have initiated discussion with OTHER parties.

This is stalking. Please--go to those links and substantiate it for yourself. Note that I do not initiate public discussion with this venal man--he has made his attempts to lure me and others into venues he wishes to control only to fail miserably.

I have no interest in him, but as you can see, it seems I give him profound insomnia since he is up all night writing twisted, bizarre and inverted notes about me that are really about him, while also provoking and attempting to lure my friends into discussion--who have even less interest in him.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:47 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
If that isn't proof enough--try right here on Brooklyn Paper. Check this thread--who follows who here? Check these threads:

http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/154386/parents-protest-new-success-charter-in-brooklyn

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/51/dtg_barbacklash_2011_12_23_bk.html

Ask again, who is actually following who here? This should shed some light on this venal insignificant's outrageous accusations and implications here of "homophobia" and "slander."

Brooklyn Paper is a party to his harassment, and when the police are involved I will be certain to present them with all this data.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:47 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
As to the comments that were removed, they were clearly because of the religious content of the remarks. Each of those comments made no mention of the "sexual slander" he is fantasizing about [and, indeed, very much comprehending that others will notice his fixation of the supposed sexual dimension of the posts on this thread, he attempts to preempt detection by projecting onto his obsession his own qualities]--each quoted Biblical, Kabbalistic and Spanish works. My guess is that religious not sexual sensibilities were offended.

So much for that nonsense.
Jan. 23, 2012, 11:51 am
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
He is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouZkkIsLiNg
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:03 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Yes, we're going to the same stories, because we live in the same neighborhood, have roots in that neighborhood, and we are both interested in gentrification. We always show up together on these stories. If three other people show up as well on a regular basis, does that mean I'm tracking them as well?

The difference is that I'm not slandering anyone, while Dennis Farr uses slander habitually. Dennis Farr has recently used sexual slander on this thread. The posts were removed.

No post will be removed on account of "religious content." Talk about a "fantasy." All of your crap is packed with pseudo-religious content, just look upstairs on this thread, almost all of your posts have "religious content" and they're still up. You can't even think straight, son.

Dennis Farr's posts were removed by Brooklyn Paper because they contained sexual slander against another commentator on the thread. Real simple.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
To further highlight this venal insignificant's stalking, let's get some facts straight about his many lies:

1) He does not live in Williamsburg. He lives on 3rd Ave in Park Slope.

2) He does not own "property" in Queens and wakes up there--he owns a tiny sliver of land that houses an illegal billboard.

3) He does not have a "studio" in East Williamsburg--he rents a space, sits down for hours on end doing nothing but stalking me on the internet. His "studio" and "gallery" have made no production and he has not generated any revenue therewith.

4) He lived in Williamsburg from 1982-1985, and that is it. He has never resided in Williamsburg from thereafter. It's not impossible, he seems to forget, to verify residency by public record.

5) He "published" no paper in the past--he was a gossip columnist only, a member of a newspaper's editorial committee whereby he held an ostensible title as "publisher" that he asserted to eject that editorial board and then he immediately transferred rights to two representatives from Community Board 1 with significant real estate interests.

6) He has no interest in PS 19 or MS 50. He is stalking myself and K. Yourke, to the latter he had done so previously for an extended period of time in the 1990s and has recommenced herewith.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:12 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
7) And let's not forget that while he claims to be an "artist," he violated the mission and brought to insolvency one of the most important art galleries in the history of North Brooklyn and a major funding source for artists in the area--so that he could get free office space in Manhattan and to swell and plunder the gallery's coffers [which never materialized because of his incompetence].

I mention these things only because they are, like his stalking of me on the Internet, matters of public record.

I will return now to Ramon Lull from this unpleasant digression, and return to peace.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:15 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Around 1275, Llull designed a method, which he first published in full in his Ars generalis ultima or Ars magna ("The Ultimate General Art", published in 1305), of combining religious and philosophical attributes selected from a number of lists. It is believed that Llull's inspiration for the Ars magna came from observing Arab astrologers use a device called a zairja.

It was intended as a debating tool for winning Muslims to the Christian faith through logic and reason. Through his detailed analytical efforts, Llull built an in-depth theological reference by which a reader could enter in an argument or question about the Christian faith. The reader would then turn to the appropriate index and page to find the correct answer.

Llull also invented numerous 'machines' for the purpose. One method is now called the Lullian Circle, each of which consisted of two or more paper discs inscribed with alphabetical letters or symbols that referred to lists of attributes. The discs could be rotated individually to generate a large number of combinations of ideas. A number of terms, or symbols relating to those terms, were laid around the full circumference of the circle. They were then repeated on an inner circle which could be rotated. These combinations were said to show all possible truth about the subject of the circle. Llull based this on the notion that there were a limited number of basic, undeniable truths in all fields of knowledge, and that we could understand everything about these fields of knowledge by studying combinations of these elemental truths.

The method was an early attempt to use logical means to produce knowledge. Llull hoped to show that Christian doctrines could be obtained artificially from a fixed set of preliminary ideas. For example, one of the tables listed the attributes of God: goodness, greatness, eternity, power, wisdom, will, virtue, truth and glory. Llull knew that all believers in the monotheistic religions - whether Jews, Muslims or Christians - would agree with these attributes, giving him a firm platform from which to argue.

The idea was developed further by Giordano Bruno in the 16th century, and by Gottfried Leibniz in the 17th century for investigations into the philosophy of science. Leibniz gave Llull's idea the name ars combinatoria, by which it is now often known. Some computer scientists have adopted Llull as a sort of founding father, claiming that his system of logic was the beginning of information science.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:17 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr is telling lies again. He has already used sexual slander against me on this thread. His posts were removed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:20 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Here's the pattern: Dennis Farr comes on like a badass guy from the street. Most people just want to smooth it over with him, and they nod sympathetically to his diatribe, because they're afraid of the guy.

Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg is not afraid of this clown. I'm the only one who gives his shabby intellect a workout. He's not used to that, he doesn't know what to do, so he uses sexual slander against his opponent. Real smart.

Dennis Farr has used sexual slander on this thread, that's why his posts were removed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:27 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Here is what Minor Injury Gallery founder Mo Bahc wrote about Ethan's collusions involving the gallery IN PUBLIC, ON THE WATERFRONT WEEK, IN 1992:

Volume 2, #30 Aug 13-19

I was the founder of MI, first established in 1985, and used to be a director and co-director for 1985-1989 period. I was quite perplexed and more shocked than anyone upon hearing of the present controversy (only 3 weeks ago). Though my name still remains on the Board of MI (sometimes not), I do not know much about the past 3 years of operation. I never got any information about programs, never was invited to a boardmeeting. To make it short, the operation of MI did not seem to be professional enough to me in the past 3 years. But that was all right, as long as it served the north Brooklyn community and adhered to some part of original direction of organization. Considering the fact that nobody was ever paid, I appreciated that Minor Injury had still managed to survive. But, after I learned what had been going on, this was no longer the case. I was called upon to attend a board meeting last week, and I proposed that the current directors resign, even after the Board agreed that Minor Injury would have to remain in the North Brooklyn community in the form of exhibition/cultural space. I proposed their resignation for the following reasons:

1. The current directors directly/indirectly caused the present controversy, regardless of how exaggerated or slanderous it may be. It is a fact that Minor Injury lost some (little or significant) support of community artists. Nobody can deny this split and someone caused it. There can be no smoke without fire. Though it may be true that two directors are not entirely responsible for this controversy, there is no doubt that they are largely responsible for this situation. This alone is enough reason that they might consider resignation. I would understand if Minor Injury had some conflict with the existing ethnic community, but I have always taken for granted the entire support of the emerging artists’ community. This kind of rejection never happened in the past 7 years and I have no choice but to believe something must be wrong with the operating style of the current directors.

2. The current directors wanted to “move” to Manhattan. But the real story was to have free office space for only 2-3 months, eventually changing MI to an organization with a P.O. Box, but without space. Now they accept the Temporary Board’s decision of 8/4/92 that MI has to remain in North Brooklyn as a non-profit exhibition/cultural space. The contradiction in their attitude aside, I do not know how they can recover their credibility only by saying “yes” to the Board’s decision. They are naïve if they think they can go back to 1 year ago as if nothing happened after this controversy. The support of people does not come overnight, but it can go away over one night. Once it is gone, it is twice or three times harder to gain back. If they thought that MI would continue to receive public funds when MI does not have a space and has nothing to do with the Williamsburg/Greenpoint area, they are too inexperienced and ignorant to be art administrators.

3. Despite the current directors assertions that they were forced to give up the current space due to severe budget cuts from NYSCA and DCA, the fact remains that there lease was not renewed due to several problems the landlords had with their behavior as tenants. There is no doubt that it is a serious problem when Minor Injury was dependent largely on the public sector. But that does not justify forgetting the fact that MI was primarily an exhibition space based in North Brooklyn. If the current directors do not know how to raised funds to afford rent and program costs, that alone is reason to resign and let peple think about other possibilities rather than giving up space, moving, and causing controversy as if MI is their personal belonging. Why would they want to still remain with MI when they think it’s impossible to do fundraising? I do not know. But I assume it is not because they are very attached to this community.

4. The current directors are not (or less) interested in an exhibition-oriented space that keeps regular open hours. This seems to be another reason why they thought it is OK to give up the current space, not to spend money on rent, and just do their own programs with existing funds. But the North Brooklyn artist’s community is mostly that of visual artists more than any other discipline. That is why MI was important and got so much support in the past. Rather than trying to change the nature of a community art organization, why don’t the current directors start their own organization that will serve their interests?

In the 8/4/92 meeting, a vote of confidence/no-confidence in the current directors occurred after heated discussion. A majority of 11 members expressed their confidence in the current directors continuing affiliation with MI. How narrow the margin was does not really matter right now. I accept the results of the vote, and I accept that they will still be the directors of MI and I hope that the artist’s community will give them the benefit of the doubt. At the same time I choose to resign from the board of MI because I cannot imagine how all these sets of contradictions which have been exposed in the current directors attitudes are going to be resolved only because they said “yes” to the board’s decision. I only hope that the two directors will learn something from this controversy, or at least will be more sensitive and mature enough to listen to diverse groups in the community.

I do not believe that an artist’s organization has to survive and persist to exist forever, especially when it has lost its impetus, sense of direction, and community support. I don’t think a non-profit artist’s space that cannot provide regular hours, basic publicity and mailing, and program publication (if not all, at least some of these things) has no real reason to survive. One can hardly expect to see a meaningful program without such basic capabilities of organization. If this will be the case in the future, the community would be better off without it because if there is a need for a new organization, someone will start one.

Mo Bahc
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:27 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
You see, that vile insignificant, like John Carpenter's The Thing [1982], likes to walk around with a flesh-bag with lips that move saying, "I am an artist." But that flesh-bag of horrific monstrous corruption underneath took over the most significant art gallery of the early years of Williamsburg's gentrification, PRODUCED NO ART, PRODUCED NO INSTALLATIONS, but instead, violated the gallery's mission, deprived other artists of a vital funding source, and then ran the gallery into insolvency.

All a matter of public record--unlike the "sexual slander" he is fantasizing about.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:30 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
This is a letter that I published in the Waterfront. It refers not to me but to the two directors at that time. Minor Injury lost its space because they ran out of money.

Slander and lies, ah me. Dennis Farr has used sexual slander on this thread. The posts were removed. He is scrambling now to hide his shame somewhere.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:30 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
First mission
Llull became a member of the Third Order of Saint Francis founded by Saint Francis of Assisi for lay people. He was not only influenced by Saint Francis but also the Dominican, St. Thomas Aquinas. Because he was married, he could never enter the Franciscans as a friar as some have believed.

Retiring to solitude, he spent nine years as a hermit. During that time he wrote on all branches of knowledge, a work which earned him the title "Enlightened Doctor." He traveled through Europe to interest popes, kings and princes in establishing special colleges to prepare future missionaries to convert the infidels of Tunis to Christianity.

In 1285, he hoped to embrace a martyr's death and embarked on his first mission to North Africa; he wound up, instead, violently expelled from Tunis.

In 1297 Llull met Duns Scotus, after which he was given the nickname Doctor Illuminatus. This is possibly in reference to the manner of his conversion.

Second mission
Llull travelled to Tunis a second time in about 1304, and wrote numerous letters to the king of Tunis, but little else is known about this part of his life.

While Llull was a member of the Franciscan Third Order, founded by Saint Francis of Assisi for lay people, he was not only influenced by Saint Francis but also by the Dominican St. Thomas Aquinas in his development of Scholastic Theology.

Third mission, Council, and death
In the early 14th century, Llull visited North Africa on a reconnaissance mission for a Crusade being planned by the Pope. He returned in 1308, reporting that the conversion of Muslims should be achieved through prayer, not through military force. Llull finally achieved his goal of linguistic education at major universities in 1311 when the Council of Vienne ordered the creation of chairs of Hebrew, Arabic and Chaldean (Aramaic) at the Universities of Bologna, Oxford, Paris, Salamanca, and at the Papal Court.

At the age of 82, in 1314, Raymond traveled again to North Africa and an angry crowd of Muslims stoned him in the city of Bougie or Béjaïa in present-day northern Algeria. Genoese merchants took him back to Mallorca where he died at home in Palma the next year.

Though the traditional date of his death has been 29 June 1315, documents have been found from him which date from December 1315.

It can be documented that Llull was buried at the Church of Saint Francis in Mallorca by March 1316. Riber states that the circumstances of his death remain a mystery. Zwemer, the Protestant missionery and academic, accepted the story of martyrdom, as did the article in the Catholic Encyclopedia published in 1911. Bonner gives as a reason for Llull's journey to Tunis being the information that its ruler was interested in Christianity--falsely given to the Kings of Sicily and Aragon.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:33 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
He gropes after the history of the art scene, he is obsessed with artists, he craves our attention.

Dennis Farr is now struggling with the fact that he posted sexual slander in this thread, and of course the posts were removed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:35 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr is posting boilerplate because he thinks he can bury the fact that he has posted sexual slander on this thread.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:36 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That vile insignificant was only a gossip columnist at the time, not a publisher--the issue was published by the editorial committee. And the two directors were investors that that vile insignificant brought in to transfer the location to Manhattan. And "running out of money" is the definition of "insolvency"--so, ahem, it's like thesaurus for insignificant devils when I say "he torpedoed Minor Injury into insolvency." He is the reason it ran out of money--he brought a space whose stated mission was North Brooklyn art and received funding as such, into Manhattan to make into a glitzy nightclub, but because he is an incompetent it failed to generate any revenue. Like his "business" now. Like his "studio" now. Get the pattern?
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:36 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Anything "fact" that Dennis Farr posts here about me is obviously suspect. He has just finished using sexual slander against me on this thread.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:38 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Garcias de Cisneros (1455-1510) (also Garcia de Cisneros) was the abbot at the abbey of Montserrat in Spain.
As one of the early Spanish mystics, he was a pioneer in the use of meditative techniques, having been influenced both by the methodical prayers of the Devotio Moderna group, and the writings of Louis Barbo.

His book Ejercitatorio de la vida espiritual, i.e. "exercises for the spiritual life" was published at Montserrat in 1500 and was an important book on formal prayer and Christian meditation which influenced Saint Ignatius of Loyola, becoming one of the primary sources for his Spiritual exercises.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:39 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
That vile insignificant is lying. Look on this thread--do you see any "sexual slander." I have posted verifiable sources. This "sexual slander" that he has repeated more than a dozen times now should be indication of who is thinking of what here. I am reading and writing about Spanish mystics, he is apoplectic with "sexual slander." Ahem. Please.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:40 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr has used sexual slander against me on this thread. The posts were removed. His credibility is destroyed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:41 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
If that vile insignificant says it was "removed," then there is no way to verify his accusations. I, on the other hand, provide this evidence that is REAL, and can be referenced and verified:

here is his L Magazine profile:
http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/Profile/Comments?oid=1826002&display=comments

If you care to take a careful look, this is a real profile and not something constructed to fit a deception, but is actually a real profile that what can look at and verify and see how someone behaves on the Internet, specifically L Magazine.

You can see in the profile that this particular insignificant has made 30 comments altogether. Of his 30 comments, 24 are responses to me in threads/discussions/posts I have initiated, not him. That's right, 8 out of 10 times he has posted on L Magazine have been in pursuit of me.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:42 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Einstein, the slanderous posts were removed by Brooklyn Paper. That's why you can't "see" them. But you can you see the disjoints in the dialogue where the posts used to be.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:42 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Dennis Farr has engaged in sexual slander on this thread. The posts were removed.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:43 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Go to the NY Times where I participate in discussion on my community. In each time, a certain insignificant someone appears, EACH AND EVERY TIME, only to pursue me:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/gauging-artists-contribution-to-property-values/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/realestate/perpendicular-to-brunch-block-by-block.html
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:44 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
What, gentrification is so tiny an issue that that vile insignificant can ONLY post where I go? To respond to me?

There aren't thousands of venues he can go to to do so? Mind you, look at all those links I provide--run a search on his name. Look anywhere he posts or any of his personal interests--do you find me? Meanwhile, here he is posting close to 20 times about "sexual slander." He is bothered! He is definitely fantasizing about something.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:45 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
To that fiend one could almost say: "Get a life!"
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:46 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
At the Gothamist website in the link below, look for him and you will be able to click on his avatar which thus brings up the software Disqus that tracks activity on Gothamist's website:

http://gothamist.com/2012/01/10/williamsburg_condo_the_edge_opens_b.php

This disturbed person has made a total of 20 comments on the Gothamist website. Of those, 13 are responses to me, after I have initiated discussion with OTHER parties.

This is stalking. Please--go to those links and substantiate it for yourself. Note that I do not initiate public discussion with this venal man--he has made his attempts to lure me and others into venues he wishes to control only to fail miserably.

I have no interest in him, but as you can see, it seems I give him profound insomnia since he is up all night writing twisted, bizarre and inverted notes about me that are really about him, while also provoking and attempting to lure my friends into discussion--who have even less interest in him.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:48 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Meanwhile, that fiend is talking about "diatribes" and how he is the only one to challenge my "shabby intellect" [please!] but you readers, copy-paste every single one of his posts onto a Word document and what do you find? Stalking a mother in the neighborhood and trying to expose her children to the public with the aim of harassing them, and 20-25 one line posts about some supposed "sexual slander" he is fantasizing about.

Please. My neighbor's beagle gives me more intellectual exercise than this abomination.
Jan. 23, 2012, 12:53 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
Son you crack me up! Your cause is lost. You are an "Outgoer" You done been caught wid yo pants down, child. Makin' mischief at the L Café. Ha haaa! You think I'm not having fun with your sorry ass?

http://web.me.com/swyrv/bp22Jan12.jpg
Jan. 23, 2012, 4:51 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
You put Gershom Scholem's name on —— like that? Man, some Satmar musta beat yo behind blue once upon a time, because you also have some anti-semitic problems, son. It's all over your religious gibberish.

http://web.me.com/swyrv/bp22Jan12.jpg
Jan. 23, 2012, 4:58 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
How interesting that you of all people should hurl 'anti-semite' at anyone, especially for those who really know you. And what? You're going to make your 30th post about 'sexual slander'? 50th post? 70th post? You're boring. If you feel you got something then proceed already, until then, you remain a distraction. I have to go, because there are real tasks requiring real exertion that needs tending to. So don't confuse this pause in between as any surrender from me--I'll be right back. Until then, sleep. Dream even. Wake soon.
Jan. 23, 2012, 5:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
Look at how obsessed you are, taking screen shots and everything, allotting hard drive space, time capsuling your operating system and everything, pulling out your hair, descending further into Madness and Hell. But B!HOLD! mother——er, soon a Spark Shines.
Jan. 23, 2012, 5:10 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
What were you trying to do, steal a kippa from the haberdasher on Broadway? Did you get wupped?

http://web.me.com/swyrv/bp22Jan12.jpg
Jan. 23, 2012, 5:20 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I laugh at you. In this dream where you're felling me on this thread you think the coalition is injured. Yet, the coalition is not me and I am not them--we have no contact. I know better--if I have contact with them you'll twist it into some lie. But that's okay--if it keeps you away from them. Simultaneously, Moskowitz, Bloomberg et al attempting seizure of JHS 50 carry on ignorant of who you are. As before, and until the end of time, you are Ialdabaoth.

Keep with your nonsense. You fail to understand I pin you here to shield them from your radioactivity.
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:06 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ialdabaoth#Yaldabaoth

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.
He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments. He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also, that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.

Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:08 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And I apologize for impersonating Gershom Scholem, and God bless his soul and forgive my disturbance. I did not do it because he's a Jew and for a very long time the preeminent scholar on Kabbalah and Jewish "mysticism." I did it because he's my favorite topical and non-fiction writer of all time--he unfortunately came to mind as I decided to play this game with pseudonymity that everyone here plays and Brooklyn Paper shields. I have all his works and have read his Major Trends at least half a dozen times.
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:10 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
So continue, fool. If my lot is to keep you busy, so be it.
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:13 pm
Ethan Pettit from East Williamsburg says:
You drag the name of Gershom Scholem down to sexual slander. I do pity you. And now I am finished with you. Be gone, you blasphemer.

http://web.me.com/swyrv/bp22Jan12.jpg
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:32 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
I hope your travel here will be a teachable moment for everyone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarus
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:38 pm
Dennis sinneD from Williamsburg says:
And let's get it straight, it's not slander. I'm just collecting evidence against you.
Jan. 23, 2012, 7:39 pm
anywho says:
Oh boy, right down the craphole.
Jan. 26, 2012, 1:38 pm
VoiceOfTruth from 11249 says:
So, after allowing the local schools falter and fail for decades some new, more moneyed and motivated parents move in and actually do something to improve the situation and they are in the wrong? Everyone should be forced to send their kids to horrible schools and money should be thrown at a horrible system that has failed for years upon end? You had your chance, again and again. Don't try to tear down others because you failed to do anything.
Jan. 31, 2012, 2:11 pm
concerned parent from park slope/crown heights says:
If th problem is the location of the charter school why don't parents and members of the community lobby to get a new locatio in Williamsburg for the scool, instead of trying to have it closed. You have to keep in mind that if this school is closed the children enrolled will be left in the wind! it isn't fair to these children they are innocent bystanders being caught in the middle of this controversy. there are alot of children already enrolled and registered at this school waiting or the newschool term. It would be in very poor judgement to have these children in such a postion.

I know for a fact that there ae NOT only MIDDLE CLASS WHITE CHILDREN that will be attending this school. Brooklyn needs the diversity. The public school system has NOT been working the way it should be for quite some time now an parents need to play a more active role in the success of their childrens education. Do what the charter schools do. The parents that an donate and assit financially do so willingly and those who can't afford it financially donate your time. Every littlecounts and goes a long way to the success of edcation.
July 4, 2012, 8:41 pm
concerned parent from park slope/crown heights says:
@ VoiceOfTruth from 11249

Well said. Instead of fighting against the Charter School because thy re doing what public school have been failing to do for so many years. Try workin ith them or try putting some of the enrgy and effortinto the public school and try to improve the system. It's been proven that we can not depend on the Mayor for anything.Dont take that out on the Charter School or it's system.

Something has to be done about the public schools and it's failing system. Over crowding and limited funds. Yes charter schools get both public and private fundings, but wht i stopping parents and teachers and public schoolsfromseeking public funding. Have sale and fund raising events. Tae yor pennies if yo can spare them and do something.

Don't just look for scape goats or additional problems try and take a page for the Charter school system and improve our Public Schools.

If the public schools were doing better there would be NO need for CHARTER schools, but clearly there is GREAT NEED! PARENTS take time with you children at home with their school work not just home work. Work with your teachers and teacers work with your parents. For the Children that have younger siblings help them with their school work and home work. Children if you don't understand something you did in class say somethig to your teacher. Students that have friends that they an help or friends that can help them ... Please do. For anything to get better we have to work together with a common goal. Just this little gesture.

I read a comment about the charter school being housed sharing) in a middle school. So how is it taking away from the school when it's a ELEMENTARY school? The smaller kids are in earlier, get out later, have different lunch times and recess. I am sorry but I don't see a problem there.

So many of you arguing about these schools, but none of you realize that maybe it's a good thing. Maybe it was done the wrong way. I mut say that this to me is not such a problem compared to other problems facing our children in Brooklyn. For families that have chilren with disabilities please know that if you have children with disabilities leaving Eementary schools entering Middle School you need to start lobbying with scools, The Department of Education, City Council Men/Women, Governor and please get our child (ALL CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES) AN ADVOCATE. FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD ONE THERE ARE ANY AGENCIES THAT CAN ASSIST YOU. SOUTH BROOKLYN LEGAL SERVICES 105 COURT ST BROOKLYN, NEW YORK (718) 237-5500 ASK FOR NANCY BERDARD ... SHE IS REALLY GOOD.

PARENTS OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES YOU HAVE RIGHTS YOU HAVE CHOICES! YOUR CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS! AND THEY HAVE CHOICES. DON'T ALLOW THE DOE or the schools and the bogus school system to wrk against you or your child and the best eduction they can get, evenas children with disabilties. Demand that child be given not juts a fair educaion, but the best education that they are entitled to. Don't just settle stand up for your rights. Demand competent and trained personell to work with your childre. Demand the facilities and the equipment NECESSARY for their educational and learning experiences. DEMAND THEIR RIGHTS. MAKE SURE THEY GET NOTHING LESS.

PUBLIC SCHOOL PARENTS DO THE SAME DEMAND BETTER EDUCATION FOR YOUR CHILDREN. IT'S NOT THE CHARTER SHCOOLS YOU NEED TO FIGHT AGAINST! IT'S THE SYSTEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE SYSTEM. THAT IS WHAT HAS TO GO. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO FIGHT AGAINST. IF THE SYSEM WAS WORKING THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS. PLAINLY THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED OUR CHILDREN ... THE FUTURE LEADERS! EDUCATION IS THE FOUNDATION AND IF THEY DON'T GET A PROPER EDUCATION THEY WON'T HAVE A PROPER FOUNDATION SO HOW IS THE SYSTEM WORKING WITH US OR AGAINT US?
July 4, 2012, 9:48 pm
Voice of Verdad from Brooklyn says:
Gee, "DennisSinned", you are a shill. And use many monikers to troll blogs/web sites. Constantly. Who is paying you to do it?

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/a-voice-of-williamsburgs-past-warning-against-change/
Feb. 11, 2014, 2:34 am

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