The four adults hurt in a wreck involving a BMW and a short bus ended up at Kings County

School bus crashes outside LICH, victims taken to Flatbush

Tumble-bus: This mini-school-bus crashed into a BMW and toppled over in front of Long Island College Hospital.
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A school bus crashed right in front of Cobble Hill’s beleaguered Long Island College Hospital — and the four people injured were sent to a hospital five miles away in Flatbush, firefighters said.

A short bus carrying two children crashed into a BMW at the intersection of Atlantic Avenue and Hicks Street on Wednesday at 1:23 pm, tipping the school bus on its side and injuring four adults who paramedics took to Kings County Hospital Center, firefighters said.

Long Island College Hospital has an emergency room that is open for care despite the state’s attempts to close the hospital down that began in February, but it does not have a trauma center, a unit specially dedicated to performing emergency surgery. Kings County does.

The quartet sustained non-life threatening injures, fire officials said. Witnesses said that the accident happened after the school bus blew a red light.

Updated 9:51 am, December 6, 2013: Updated to reflect that Long Island College Hospital does not have a trauma center.
Reach reporter Jaime Lutz at or by calling (718) 260-8310. Follow her on Twitter @jaime_lutz.
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Reasonable discourse

aa from park slope says:
due to the nature of the accident the patients would be classified as trauma patients. They would be transported to the closed trauma hospital which according to this accident location would be either Lutheran or king county. Kings is the proper choice for a stable trauma patient so they would get the appropriate care.
Dec. 5, 2013, 7:54 pm
Brooklyn Medic from Cobble Hill says:
The transport to KCH vs LICH is because of the mechanism of injury and adherence to FDNY EMS operating procedures regarding trauma center candidates, nothing more sinister than that.

See Appendix F at ( for details on Trauma Patient Criteria, particularly MOI #7 "Vehicle rollover (90 degree vehicle rotation or more) with unrestrained passenger". [see photo accompanying article]

A case could be made, I suppose, for transport to Bellevue, but the decision to bypass LICH was consistent with good operating practice on the part of the EMTs & Paramedics on scene.

Even if LICH were operating at 100% capacity they would (or should) still have bypassed it.
Dec. 5, 2013, 8:01 pm
Ty from pps says:
You guys sure aren't helping with the preferred sensationalist narrative....
Dec. 5, 2013, 10:45 pm
Bk from Cobble Hill says:
LICH never was and never will be a trauma center. Way to really just politicize this serious accident and make it about a hospital no one cares about anymore
Dec. 6, 2013, 1:54 am
Rob from Greenpoint says:
"Witnesses said that the accident happened after the school bus blew a red light."

Then it wasn't an "accident". It was a crash.
Dec. 6, 2013, 8:04 am
Nominating Committee says:
I would like to nominate the above commenters to the editorial staff of the Brooklyn Paper, with the condition that aa brush up on his or her proofreading; e.g.: "closest" not "closed."
Dec. 6, 2013, 8:56 am
Tal Barzilai bot from Pleasantville, NY says:
I blame bike lanes.
Dec. 6, 2013, 9:50 am
chuck from boerum hill says:
how is a driver running a red light an "accident?"

isn't it intentional? even the NYPD is calling these intentional or negligent occurrences "crashes" now.
Dec. 6, 2013, 9:59 am
Jane D from Cobble Hillo says:
Some trauma pts could be treated at any emergency room the only cases are when there is a major trauma that might required surgery
Dec. 6, 2013, 10:11 am
Jane D from Cobble Hill says:
Trauma cases could be treated at any emergency room the severe cases that might required surgery have to be taken to a trauma Hospital Like Lutheran which had a day of diversion because of an investigation by de Health Department but off course no report on that keep very quiet??? instead they brought pts to Kings County not to SUNY
Dec. 6, 2013, 10:14 am
from Dumbo says:
Accident? I don’t think so! This was totally preventable had the driver been paying attention while operating a multi-ton hunk of metal, fuel, and battery acid around — with KIDS ON BOARD.
Dec. 6, 2013, 10:56 am
John Wasserman from Prospect Heights says:
I can't help but notice the firefighter all the way to the left of this drawing. That could be the largest cup of coffee that I've ever seen, if you'll pardon my pointing this out.
Dec. 6, 2013, 12:41 pm
L says:
Not every trauma case has to go to a designated trauma center. LICH never was a designated trauma center like Lutheran but does have a trauma room in the ER and always treated trauma cases, including those like the construction worker who fell off the scaffold under the Gowanus, gun shot victims, car accidents and the people who were run over by them. It's not doing that now because SUNY won't let the operating rooms be utilized. LICH is being operated as nothing more than an urgent care room. Lutheran had its own problem last week (though it seems to have been kept very quiet), maybe that's why these patients were sent to Kings County when normally would have gone to LICH or Lutheran.
Dec. 6, 2013, 1 pm
John Wasserman from Prospect Heights says:
And pardon the continued interruption, but I do believe this "accident" is precisely why we should have more laws keeping children from driving. Sorry if this is obvious, but I do believe it needs to be brought to some of your attention. Thank you for reading.
Dec. 6, 2013, 2:43 pm
Bklyn from Cobble Hill says:
This could have been tragic. Thank G-D no one was seriously injured. The photo highlights the unacceptable situation in this area of Brooklyn right now. An accident right in front of a hospital that the injured can't utilize. Outrageous. Thankfully many of us in this community do care & do realize what a loss it would be & what a risk to our own lives if this is allowed to be permanent. That's why it is not going to be allowed. We need a full service emergency with full service operating rooms and our full service hospital restored.
Dec. 6, 2013, 3:16 pm
Bklyn from Cobble Hill says:
Thanks to the nurses, doctors, staff of LICH & the many people and community organizations that care about it. LICH has already been saved. Now it's time to RESTORE LICH!
Dec. 6, 2013, 5:50 pm
Bklyn from Cobble Hill says:
Restore LICH to a Full Service hospital with the woman's services, surgical services, and in-patient services that have illegally been withheld.
Restore LICH's Full Service emergency room. We need a full service ER in this area of Brooklyn - not another urgent care, non emergent, or basic emergency healthcare center

Restore LICH hospital services
Dec. 6, 2013, 7:17 pm
jay from nyc says:
look if you are really worried about this move to Canada, its not just 911 thats a joke, health care in this country is also a joke. roughly 400,000 a year die because of negligence at hospitals. Friggin Colombia has better health care than we do.
Dec. 6, 2013, 8:43 pm
Issatso from Jay says:
And yet, jay, here you still are...
Dec. 9, 2013, 11:47 am
Faith from Cobble Hill says:
Thank god they weren't taken to LICH, as even it they were fine, it would have meant certain death for all of them.

Someone was using their head, even if those that are trying to keep the defunct hospital open are not!
Dec. 10, 2013, 9:53 am
Hope from Cobble Hill says:
That's a damn lie. LICH is not defunct. They saved my life in the midst of all this mess. I wouldn't be surprised if you are part of the SUNY machine that's trying to steal our hospital from us. Bad enough you people stole patients right out of their beds all summer & killed people by preventing them from being cared for at LICH. I hope they all sue your asses.
Dec. 11, 2013, 11:16 pm
Brooklynite from Marine Park says:
SUNY is committed to the sale of LICH. Without the sale of LICH SUNY would need to find another way to keep financially sound. When SUNY seeked permission to acquire LICH the stated intent was to run a hospital. That stated intent was either short sight sighted or a lie. Either way SUNY management is either incompetent or criminal.

LICH is a great hospital with a very talented and caring staff. Now that Bill DeBlasio is mayor we can only hope he stands by campaign goals to keep LICH from the quick buck artists that are attempting to railroad Brooklyn or an iconic medical institution.

SUNY has blatantly disobeyed court rulings with no consequences. In mid November SUNY sought and was granted a month to seek another operator to avoid appearing in court to answer for the contempt. December 16th is that deadline.

What will happen next is the question. Will SUNY cooperate or move forward with seeking a quick buck from a developer salivated for the property and New York sky line vistas? Only to mismanage the proceeds. Will Mr. DeBlasio change his tune under pressure from Albany?

Where is the investigative reporter following the money in all this? There is a lot smoke and no news agency is interested. They are too busy covering the latest house fire, cooking tip, and of course the weather.

I see folks focusing on the distraction instead of the real issue here. Brooklyn is being robbed.
Dec. 12, 2013, 5:41 pm

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