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Red Hook Houses residents: ‘We’re tired of Citi Bikes and people making decisions for us’

Not for us: The leaders of the Red Hook Houses tenant associations say residents would rather parking spaces than these Citi Bike stations.
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New Citi Bike stations outside the Red Hook Houses are stealing much-needed parking spaces from residents who rely on their cars to get to and from the transit-starved nabe, claim tenant leaders — and it’s just the latest example of the city telling public housing residents what they need instead of listening to what they actually want, they say.

“I don’t see how the stations benefit people who live in public housing,” said Frances Brown, president of the Red Hook East Houses Tenant Association. “We’re tired of all these Citi Bikes and people making decisions for us like we’re little children.”

The Department of Transportation recently installed four stations around the 2,891-unit public housing complex — at W. Ninth and Columbia streets, Lorraine and Columbia streets, Clinton and Centre streets, and Wolcott and Dwight streets — as part of a broader rollout of the blue-bike bays around Community Board 6 over the past month.

The agency held several public workshops during the planning period and met with Brown twice, but she said the pow-wows seemed pointless and she got the impression transportation honchos had already decided where it was placing the docks before they spoke to her.

“When they came to me and spoke to me they had already made up their minds,” she said.

The city has made an effort to get New York City Housing Authority residents on the bikes — tenants only have to pay $5 per month to rent them, versus $15 for other citizens.

Meanwhile, Red Hook Houses residents are only renting out 47 of the 116 spaces in the complex’s private parking lot, which costs $60–$75 a year, according to a New York City Housing Authority spokeswoman.

But another tenant leader says there is a dearth of free parking options for the 98 percent of residents who she claims own cars, and the few who cycle already own their own bikes.

“We don’t have enough space to park as is,” said Red Hook West Houses Tenant Association president Lillie Marshall, who says the city didn’t even bother to engage her in the discussion. “People in the community have cars and their children have bikes so what are we going to do with all these bikes? Nobody is renting these bikes, they’re just parked there.”

Mayor DeBlasio also singled out the Red Hook Houses residents as the lucky recipients of a new neighborhood ferry stop and his forthcoming streetcar.

A Department of Transportation spokeswoman refused to answer specific questions about its meetings — or lack thereof — with Red Hook Houses leaders, saying only that it takes community input seriously and into consideration when deciding on rack locations.

Reach reporter Lauren Gill at lgill@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260–2511. Follow her on Twitter @laurenk_gill
Updated 12:36 pm, September 27, 2016
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Reasonable discourse

Ryan from Cobble Hill says:
Probably the best use for Citibike is in inexpensively mending transit gaps with mode share. Biking is one of the best ways to get to a far-off train station, but taking a bike onto the train is terrible. Weigh the several hundred people who are mildly inconvenienced with the countless who gained a real, viable option in and out of Red Hook.

But this is almost like a free story these days. Cut and paste a new neighborhood and it's a great way for a reporter to get to lunch early.
Sept. 27, 2016, 8:05 am
Power System says:
Let them get overweight and waste money on car upkeep. This makes them malleable.
Sept. 27, 2016, 8:23 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
We know what's good for you, now get back on the bus comrades.
Sept. 27, 2016, 8:33 am
Benjamin from Red Hook says:
I'd rather experience flooding.
Sept. 27, 2016, 8:39 am
Dave from Boerum Hill says:
This should be the entire article....

“We don’t have enough space to park as is,”

Meanwhile, Red Hook Houses residents are only renting out 47 of the 116 spaces in the complex’s private parking lot
Sept. 27, 2016, 8:59 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Replace the underused parking lot with housing if the tenants don't want to use it. The new tenants can use the Citibikes.
Sept. 27, 2016, 10 am
Jake from Clinton Hill says:
98% of Red Hook Houses residents own cars? Relatively recent statistics for Red Hook show less than 40% have cars.
http://www.nycedc.com/blog-entry/new-yorkers-and-cars
Sept. 27, 2016, 10:37 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Looks like Lillie Marshall wants to be held to the Donald Trump standard of honesty in political arguments.
Sept. 27, 2016, 11:46 am
Joey from Clinton Hills says:
Lauren, did you find out how much a parking space costs at the Red Hook houses?
Sept. 27, 2016, 11:48 am
Brooklynite from Brooklyn says:
"the 98 percent of residents who she claims own cars."

Citation please.
Sept. 27, 2016, 11:53 am
Ruth Brown (Brooklyn Paper) says:
Hey Joey - that actually was in the original but I must have accidentally deleted it while editing. I just added it back in. Apologies.
Sept. 27, 2016, Noon
Dave from Boerum Hill says:
$60-$75 per year. That is pathetically low.

Agreed with Mike from Williamsburg. The city would get better use of that land if they sold it to developers to build new housing. We as city tax payers shouldn't be subsiding parking.
Sept. 27, 2016, 12:31 pm
Me from Brooklyn says:
Taxpayers should not have to subsidize parking for anyone.
Sept. 27, 2016, 2:02 pm
Jjm from C. Hill says:
Some people will shrug off what they're saying but really would you want someone making your decisions for hou like you're a damn kid? Just because they live in the projects, you know-it-alls feel as if you have the answer for everything. I bet some of you who live in the area dont even talk to people who live there. Instead, you walking around with your noses turned up. Dont be surprised if you get robbed one day by one of the pj dwellers.
Sept. 27, 2016, 2:16 pm
Dre from Sunset park says:
That is why the red hook is a out of touch
Sept. 27, 2016, 2:18 pm
Jjm from C. Hill says:
Nobody told any of you to move to red hook. You only move there because of gentrification. The people in the projects have been there way longer than you & their the majority of RH so it would be wise that you take their opinions & considerstions seriously.
Sept. 27, 2016, 3:29 pm
Jjm from C. Hill says:
And it isnt just RH, go to bed stuy on franklin & lefferts. Citi bikes just sitting there untouched. They dont want that bs in the community but you shove it down their thoats anyway. You guys really need to start listening more to those who've been there longer then you have and quick thinking you know what the locals need when you dont have the slightest idea.
Sept. 27, 2016, 4:01 pm
Jjm from C. Hill says:
Throats* typo
Sept. 27, 2016, 4:03 pm
ty from pps says:
where's the starbucks?

and a shake shack.
Sept. 27, 2016, 4:11 pm
A from Boerum Hill says:
According to the 2013 ACS Census data, fewer than 10% of residents (16 or older) of the Red Hook Houses drive to work.
Sept. 27, 2016, 4:47 pm
Jasper says:
They probably don't like riding the blue bikes, because it's not perceived as being cool amongst their community.
Sept. 27, 2016, 5:03 pm
Jasper says:
and because the bikes represent an outside influence
Sept. 27, 2016, 5:05 pm
Crofton says:
How to trick out a blue bike poses an interesting challenge.
Sept. 27, 2016, 5:20 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
If the cost of parking at the Red Hook Houses was lower, they wouldn't need to park on the streets.
Sept. 27, 2016, 5:57 pm
Patrick from around the corner says:
A from Boerum Hill, 'to work' may be the swing word of your plucked statistic.
Sept. 27, 2016, 5:58 pm
Eric from Windsor Terrace says:
If you can afford a car, you should be capable of paying to store it.
Sept. 27, 2016, 6:01 pm
H. Muir from Bensonhurst says:
You mean…if you can't afford to pay for its storage, you can't afford a car.
Sept. 27, 2016, 6:19 pm
HeadShrinker from Chelsea says:
You had me until "public housing residents".... dear public housing residences, you don't make decisions about property you don't own. Don't like it buy a property and have a voice there. Till then ride my f-ing citi bike I put out there for you.
Sept. 27, 2016, 7:41 pm
HeadShrinker from Chelsea says:
You had me until "public housing residents".... dear public housing residences, you don't make decisions about property you don't own. Don't like it buy a property and have a voice there. Till then ride my f-ing citi bike I put out there for you.
Sept. 27, 2016, 7:41 pm
Pablo Picasso says:
Tricking out blue bikes would be cultural appropriation - no can do.
Sept. 27, 2016, 7:41 pm
The Raven from Sunset Park says:
If you need the city to subsidize your housing yet you can still afford a car, you have no right to complain
Sept. 27, 2016, 10:07 pm
BevD from Red Hiik/Carroll Gardens says:
Here in Carroll Gardens, as it is, is congested. Placing CitiBikes on every few blocks, disallows residents to park their cars. This is awful. Yes, we had a meeting or two in 2014- that now in 2016- towards the end of year, thousands will be planted. Where do we park? How many blocks does one walk for parking? How many CitiBikes in a day on various locations are being used. Bikers should pay like a driver does. They do not obey pedestrians, rude, they ride without helmets or signal or ringer or horn? There are children who play on sudealjs- bikers ride on sidewalks. Dodge the traffic in street. What do we do in winter with snowstorms? Clinton Street is an emergency route. What happens when there is a storm- city sanitation salt trucks come along and push snow on cars and bikes. Mountains of snow, filth for how long. We are not standing or sitting for these CitiBikes to stay. We are taxpayers. We have rights. These bikes are an invasion. Why? Spline the membership is cheap?
Why because- trying to put ab express F train - Carroll St station?? Now the Justice Court is having an ad in Gotham Patch - offering to open an account -and apply for CitiBike applications. This is trickery. On all the leaders parts. Hiding meetings from our community.
Sept. 27, 2016, 10:08 pm
Karen is my real name from Red Hook Projects says:
Red Hook Public Housing Residents have a right to tell you and The City to remove some of these bikes. Public housing tenants pay 30% of their gross income on rent and many pay an average of 800 to 1000 monthly. They stay because this is their homes and communities and networks. I think half of you people on here really need to talk about your own problems with immigration and heroin and mental illnesses. As stated by BevD the problem is all these secret meetings going on with politicians and others who never engage the community for true input and decision-making. Instead of fueling the flames of bias against people who live in the projects... be thankful we don't treat you the way you seem to want to treat us.
Sept. 27, 2016, 10:50 pm
bkmanhatman from nubrucklyn says:
If you live in public housing you can still afford a car?
Sept. 27, 2016, 11:23 pm
Guest from NYC says:
The vast majority of people who live in the Red Hook Houses do not have access to an automobile. Citi Bikes are a good option for reaching the subway or other areas outside the neighborhood. NYCHA residents get a really good discount for yearly membership too.

Simultaneously; because so few people are leasing off street parking provided by the housing authority, perhaps it's time to utilize that land for other uses. Affordable housing and accessable greenspace come to mind.

The tenant association is out of touch and does not see bicycling as a rational transportation option. A real shame because it could improve so many commutes.
Sept. 28, 2016, 1:20 am
Guest from NYC says:
Correction: NYCHA authority residents are offered a monthly, not yearly subscription. $5 a month. Approximately $60 a year with an annual commitment.
Sept. 28, 2016, 1:22 am
John from Upper west side says:
I'm actually surprised, being the intelligent New Yorkers were all supposed to be, that we can't recognize this as the sham it is. It's a win-win for the "City of New York" the corporation, not New York City. It's all fun and games until the parking tickets start rolling out in your neck of the woods because parking is non existent due to Citibike greed!!! You can CLEARLY tell that city hall has catered to the demonic minions of Citibank by allowing PRIVATE BUSINESS to invade PUBLIC thoroughfares, walkways, parking lots, and sidewalks with these cumbersome devices. Why are these docks NOT placed ANYWHERE on the uber ritzy Madison avenue?? Or taking ANY of the parking/sidewalks on the prestigious Fifth or Park avenues?? You KNOW why.. This is blatantly disgusting.. I remember when Citibike couldn't WAIT to put their block long dock (pun intended) in front of TD bank on Court and Joralemon streets as a huge middle finger to other banking corps. I absolutely cannot wait until ENOUGH NEW YORKERS get pissed off to start a movement and force Citibank and their bought and paid for city hall shill minions back down into the depths from whence they came. Never underestimate the greed of banks...ENOUGH OF THEIR CHICANERY..!!!
Sept. 28, 2016, 1:32 am
Common Sense says:
If they live in a housing project, how can they afford a car?
There's no shortage of parking in Red Hook - it's not Park Slope. There should also be very few cars because housing projects are for people on limited or no income.
Sept. 28, 2016, 3:39 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
BevD, if you want to live some bizarre car-centered lifestyle, get out of New York. Move to Ohio or something and leave New York to us real New Yorkers who know how to live here.
Sept. 28, 2016, 6:53 am
Denise from Red Hook says:
Some people are so bitter toward Housing residents, it's quite pathetic. There are people working their butts off and pay up to $1000 a month to live in housing. Just because we live in the projects doesn't mean we shouldn't have cars. But people also don't want to pay so much to park it in the private lots (it's not worth it). One or two bike stations on sidewalks is okay. But they're going overboard storing them on every other block. Let's keep in mind that winter is approaching, who in their right mind will be riding a bike in the freezing weather?! Not everyone can wants to live in apartments that aren't worth paying as much as $1700 . Stay humble everyone in public housing are not bad or worthless. We are just trying to make a living like the rest of you, some of us put up with the BS to be able to own eventually. We deal with enough killings and craziness as it is.
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:27 am
Tina Doodles from Red Hook says:
Denise - these people want others to subsidize their rent while buying the cars we market rate people can't afford. Anyone can bike in the winter, just wear a jacket.
They are not bad or worthless, but they should be poor. Public housing is for poor people who cannot afford other options, it's not a choice. If people with enough money to pay for their own normal apartment are living there in order to have extra money for luxuries like cars, they are basically cheating. While taking other people's money to subsidize their rent, they also want to prevent their neighbors from being able to bicycle. There are more car parking spaces than bicycle spaces, and a bike takes up one tenth the room that a car does.
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:33 am
Denise from Red Hook says:
I don't have a luxury car, but I do own a car. I want to see how many people take out bikes in the snow!
There are tons of people here that work for hospitals, postal services, ups, fed ex, etc. so because they are working towards something to better themselves, they shouldn't live here (they should be poor)? Now in days people that make good money can't even afford to live in an almost $2k month tiny apartment. It's not cheating if you're approved to live here. NYC is getting harder to live in for many people, however you can't expect that they should be bottoms barrel because they have subsidized homes. It's not fair you're right, maybe you should apply for housing and see if perhaps you'd be approved.
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:46 am
Dan from Red Hook says:
Where is Menchaca on all of this? He's a phony and fraud
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:53 am
Carol from UES says:
It isn't just Red Hook. Blocks and blocks of Citibikes have been installed in the E70s and are unused. There is limited street parking here, and this did away with much of it. In some locations, Citibikes promised that only a small rack would be installed but a full block went in. Trucks can't make deliveries to the small businesses. No matter who you are in this city right now, no one cares what you want.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:02 am
Joe from Carroll Gardens says:
Denise,

Not to be insensitive but you can only afford a car because tax payers subsidized your housing. Most middle class and even upper middle class households in NYC do not own cars.

It shouldn't be a right to own and park a car. Transit serves Red Hook.

And yes personally I do expect those living off the tax payer to sacrifice some conveniences.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:03 am
Joe from Carroll Gardens says:
Carol,

What the dafaq do you need a car for on the Upper East Side anyway?
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:04 am
Jim from NYC says:
The ones acting like children are those who throw a tantrum because Daddy Government won't give them free parking spots anymore.

I really don't get why people complain when the city is actually increasing the parking supply. Where you could park one vehicle before, now you can park eight or so. They just happen to be smaller vehicles.

And yes, people do use Citi Bike in the winter. This is the world's most heavily used bikeshare program outside of Paris and China. Each bike is used around eight times a day (a little less during the winter). Compare that with cars that are often moved only when forced by alternated side parking rules. When there is snow and such rules are not enforced, it is extremely common to see cars that are not moved for weeks at a time.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:07 am
maura from red hook says:
denise doesn't live in the pjs. she's a typical guilty white liberal from red hook's back that likes to pretend she's down with the NYCHA folks. lots of motor heads in red hook of all shapes and sizes.
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:13 am
Ezra from Coffey St from Red Hook says:
Not a single CitiBike dock in on NYCHA property in Red Hook! What exactly is the problem?!?

https://www.citibikenyc.com/expansion/brooklyn/red-hook
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:18 am
Actual common sense from Rh says:
Dear common sense,
Clearly u have none how can ppl in rh afford cars by working the same way ppl in ps do everybodys rent isnt the same the more u make the more u pay and yeah its based on income but we still pay taxes just like ps ppl do and there shouldnt be that many cars funny cause there everywhere sometimes we cant find parking from how many there are matter of fact y dnt u come to rh and see for urself and maybe catch a nice ass whooping while ur at it since its the ghetto ...do you know how many single mothers live here with jobs and cars that bust they ass everyday to have what they have just beacuse we all dnt have the luxury to afford a ps apartment means we cant have a beautiful apartment inside rh and a vehicle very ignorant like i said come check it for urself i dare you !!!
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:23 am
Robert from Bay Ridge says:
Brooklyn isn't designed for car traffic, like Manhattan with its grid.
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:35 am
Lydia from Brooklyn says:
No one wants to say it, but they want the parking spots because drug dealers park there to sell their drugs. They buy these cars by stealing drugs and selling them for money. That's how they have so much of the books income to live in a project and buy cars. Are we really going to move bikes so that people can park and sell drugs?
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:42 am
Olivia from Art School says:
Manhattan's relentless grid too allowed for development of high density buildings.
Sept. 28, 2016, 10:43 am
Domingo from Ridgewood says:
@ John from UWS, greed is a couple birthing three or more children, unless you live on a farm, far away from civilization
Sept. 28, 2016, 11:19 am
Olivia from Art School says:
Domingo, there is no such thing as 'far away' anymore.
Sept. 28, 2016, 11:26 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
That's right, I forgot about my sheep costume. Baa Baa Baa Baa-rzilai
Sept. 28, 2016, 12:38 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Seems like an article titled "Red Hook Houses residents..." should have sampled more than just two people.
Sept. 28, 2016, 1:36 pm
RAD from UES says:
If all the Citibikes in E' 70's are unused, why can I never get a bike when I want (usually mid-morning). I know cars that sit in the same spot week after week are much more used.
Sept. 28, 2016, 2 pm
4/5/6 Train from Upper East Side says:
Hi There.
Sept. 28, 2016, 2:06 pm
George Melendez Wright says:
I'm very embarrassed by my fellow Latinos' reproduction habits.
Sept. 28, 2016, 2:32 pm
Red Hook Rider from red hook says:
I'm very disappointed by this article. the citibikes are a great thing for red hook businesses and residents -- just ask the shops on van brunt st. we desperately need more transit options in red hook. the citibike docks near the projects probably took up fewer than 6 parking spots. Still plenty of places to park.
Sept. 28, 2016, 3:59 pm
Jamal from Red Hook says:
‘We’re tired of Citi Bikes and people making decisions for us’
-Now gib me dat free wifis!
Dems Mines Yo!
Sept. 28, 2016, 4:08 pm
Jay says:
Why are these bikes being forced down everyone's throat? Where does this money go? We pay taxes and own property. Why take public parking spaces? Place them on the larger sidewalks. You don't have to go to planning school to know that makes better sense. Remember election time for elected officials and CB 6 members who don't have our best interests in mind.
Sept. 28, 2016, 4:59 pm
TOM from Brooklyn says:
Red Hook is isolated, only three roads in and three roads out, little bus service and no subway.

Last stats I saw had 33% of households with a motor vehicle. That's a high concentration for the area. Maybe 50% higher than Park Slope, Gowanus or Carroll Gardens. But they're not isolated.

When car-owners in NYC are asked why have such an expensive toy, they say they must have it to get to/from their jobs. Transit just doesn't works for them. Of course having access to a car betters your chances of getting a job and making more money. That's an established fact.
Sept. 28, 2016, 5:08 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
I've come to the conclusion that the person who puts the fake lewd and crude comments on this site works for this paper. I can't see how it would be tolerated otherwise.
Sept. 28, 2016, 7:01 pm
Vera from Williamsburg says:
Just because they're not removed doesn't mean they're tolerated. Censorship does little to alter a disturbing reality.
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:06 pm
Ortho from Brooklyn says:
It sounds like maybe people are upset about something larger and the CitiBike situation is an easy channel.
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:28 pm
Ms.Me from Bay Ridge says:
So you're OK with fake comments under "Vera from Williamsburg?
Sept. 28, 2016, 8:41 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
I'm just jealous that Tal has moved back to making love to farm animals. I miss my big ole zealot.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:04 pm
Karen from Red Hook from Red Hook PJs says:
First of all the housing police and light towers occupy Red Hook's Parking lot. The parking lot is big enough for about 10 vehicles overnight and they have to move in the morning to make room for the housing staffs cars. The other parking lot houses police vehicles now and a power plant is to be built there within the next couple of years.

As far as affordable housing on the Red Hook campus.. whose going to move here.. people like the ones showing disrespect on these comments?
I hope not based on how you feel about me and others who lives in the project. Get your facts straight about Public Housing there is no ceiling rent and we pay taxes just like everyone else... oh no maybe that's not soo true... Trump doesn't pay federal taxes... unducumented immigrants don't pay city state and local taxes. And judging all the cyber hate spewed on here I believe if you come to Red Hook with that ish... you will get the ish slapped..kicked and beat out of you... ijs
A bunch of closet bullies you all are!!!!
I curse everyone on here who cusses me and my community because of racism classic or whatever your problem is.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:40 pm
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
See how fast he is? He must work there.
Sept. 28, 2016, 9:54 pm
Catherine from Red Hook says:
When I walk these streets the cars that are parked are all Teslas, BMWs, and Lexus. How do people who live in the projects afford these? If they have that much money they can afford a private parking lot.
Sept. 29, 2016, 3:25 am
Catherine from Red Hook says:
And Karen - pointing out when someone actually does something bad doesn't make them a bully. You are overly sensitive and will acccuse people of bullying, racism, whatever to cover up your own bad actions. No one has an issue with the people who live in the projects. People have issues with those who take from public programs to help those in most need, when they don't really need. Things are expensive, but you have to pay for them yourself. Public housing is to prevent people from being homeless, not to help them save money to get nice things that they shouldn't be able to afford. The money doesn't fall from heaven, it is taken from working people's taxes. We are paying for it. I will gladly give money to the true poor, but not to subsidize people who work and want cheap rent and cars. If you want to talk about racism, the projects are incredibly racist. How unsafe would it be for a white person to live in them? None do because they know that the neighbors would target them. Purely for their race. As bullies. Bullies who's rent we are forced to subsidize.
Sept. 29, 2016, 3:30 am
Jonah from Bushwick says:
Well there we have it. From posh Prospect Park to the Red Hook Houses - false sense of entitlement is not specific to socio-economics, nor race.
Sept. 29, 2016, 7:48 am
Karen from Red Hook says:
I have no problem with a white person or white people moving in the projects... the problem is not we won't accept you...
THE PROBLEM IS MOST WHITES DON'T WANT TO LIVE AROUND US. THE ONES THAT DO PAY TAXES. AND YOU SAY I'M COVERING MY OWN BAD ACTIONS? What would that be?
I have a right to defend my community without being accused of over sensitivity.
BTW there is a Tesla showroom in RH so it'd probably your entitled corporate comrades
There is a movie car company too.
Why am I trying to educate you about my hood.
I'm on my way to earn money so I can pay taxes while you probably sleeping since you posted at 330 am. Catherine

By the way in November at the Public Library I will be hosting neighborhood debates...
If you have so many opinions come and join a team.
Or you only a fb instigator perpetrator original hater.
I will post date time and location
Sept. 29, 2016, 8:31 am
Karen from RH says:
Btw I am not against having citi bike in Red Hook I just feel 10 at each site would have been sufficient but 42 bikes bookend in a public street that aren't being used right before winter is ridiculous
The installation should have been gradual.
All the other comments from the peanut gallery are irrelevant at this point in time.
Go pick a fight somewhere else in public housing and you might have a chance but not in Red Hook
Touch not my anointed thus sayeth the Lord!
Peace and Love and Power to the People!!!!
Sept. 29, 2016, 8:47 am
Joe from Carroll Gardens says:
Karen, what else would you like the tax payers to buy for you? So far we have an apartment, parking and it seems wifi.

Would you like a pony? Should the people of NYC buy you a cookie?

Your sense of entitlement is way over-the-top. No one owes you parking and you should be thankful that you won the local "lottery" (i.e subsidized housing). The rest of us pay market rate.

tl;dr the people you despise and threaten to "beat up" are those that make it possible for you to live here so a little bit of humility might be in order.
Sept. 29, 2016, 8:57 am
Candido F. from Red Hook, Brooklyn. says:
The fact that they decided to do this in the first place is short sighted. Its Red Hook, not Liberty Heights or whatever they want to change it to. You cant force rent a bikes on people who walk to the train and use the bus to get everywhere. Half the projects parks on that street and walks home. Money is tight, why do you think most are still in the projects? You can make the bikes $1 a day and they will still sit there and go to waste. You want to help? Lower rents and insurance and health care costs and maybe, just maybe, we can have an area where quality of life was better and people would actually use these bikes. They should have waited till they force us out and bulldoze the projects, build up that nice water front park where my home used to be and then those bikes would be handy. As for right now and 2017 going forward...no thank you.
Sept. 29, 2016, 9:35 am
Joe from Carroll Gardens says:
@Candido F. from Red Hook, Brooklyn

Why do you think we as tax payers should subsidize your parking in a city where most people walk or use transit?
Sept. 29, 2016, 10:31 am
Jean from Sunset Park says:
Raising and lowering costs is a red herring. It's the value of the dollar that makes the difference.

unlimited 45-minute rides, should be changed to 60 or 90 minutes
Sept. 29, 2016, 10:41 am
HONEY Pooter from Williamsburg says:
Karen and Candido are just welfare queens, looking for new ways to get other people's money for free! Greedy, lazy queens. Ain't nobody got time for your tired, sad excuses!
Sept. 29, 2016, 2:45 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, cut the impersonations of me as I find them to be very childish and really sinking low. Red Hook is one of the NYC neighborhoods that happens to be a transit desert. Until the 1 train gets extended to there, which still feels very pie in the sky, parking spaces will be very important for those living there. However, that is under the jurisdiction of the MTA and the state government, not the city government. Another thing is that they are mad that this was placed without their actual input hence elitism. Then again, I guess the bike zealots only like elitism when it works for them even though they make such a claim when it doesn't. On a side note, I have made a comment like this on the NY Times when they talked about affordable housing and parking spaces, and I was heavily thanked for saying something like this. Also, it costs a lot more to live where viable alternatives of transportation is omnipresent, but a lot less where it's almost scarce. Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury that some of you do to live in such areas, so please stop disrespecting them. As for the claim of parking being subsidized, it's not especially when those who are parking on them are paying for the roads with their taxes. BTW, there are a lot of other things that being subsidized such as the racks for Citibike, but I don't hear you guys being against or even on bike lanes either. If you really hate anything being subsidized, then there probably shouldn't by anymore for anybody or anything, and then you will see how much everything really costs without them especially the fares you pay when riding the buses and subways at the full price.
Sept. 29, 2016, 4:52 pm
Choochie says:
A lot of people here sound BUTTHURT. Why is everyone getting so BUTTHURT?
Sept. 29, 2016, 6:17 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Joe from Carroll Gardens says:
Karen, what else would you like the tax payers to buy for you? So far we have an apartment, parking and it seems wifi.

as much as we can hget :)

mazel tov
Sept. 29, 2016, 7:16 pm
Frankie says:
Wow this has gone from a discussion of citibikes taking up public street space to an attack on NYCHA residents. Way to deflect from the issue in the article. Should
Citibike be allowed to occupy street space in red hook or elsewhere? Are there better alternatives? Alternatively, why not make bikers wear helmets? Why not pass a law requiring basic insurance & ID to be carried by bicyclists in NYC? They can cause accidents, run lights, & bike through cross walks too. With the influx of recreational and commuter bikers we need to address these issues. Do we need additional safeguards and regulations to make our streets safer for everyone?
Sept. 29, 2016, 9:11 pm
Hootie from Bk says:
Frankie - that's because the privilleged cheaters in the red hook houses are trying to stop the citibikes.
Sept. 30, 2016, 4:19 am
Sal Cav from Carroll Gardens says:
This is just another reason why I left Brooklyn, and moved to first world America.
Sept. 30, 2016, 7:54 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The bike zealots don't even try to hide the fact that they hate cars. Just as I don't try to hide the fact that I love tying my man slave up in chains, then beating him with a whip, then lovingly rubbing pizza grease on him from head to toe while he removes the crud from my lower half with his tongue. Tonight he may dress up as Donald Trump while I dress up as Miss Piggy from the Muppets.

In conclusion it's not that I don't like safe streets. It's that I love dress up games with man slaves.
Sept. 30, 2016, 1:27 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, cut the impersonations of me, and I don't even do any of what was mentioned, which really shows how low these bike zealots can go. The boundaries of NYC aren't where the subway lines stops. There really are transit deserts within the city lines and Red Hook is one of them. There are many other transit deserts in NYC that include the parts of the outer boroughs that border the other counties as well as pretty much all of Staten Island. Another thing is to try looking at the causes to why there are those living there and choosing to drive rather than looking at the effects. Seriously, not every inch must have bike lanes and bike racks. Also, not everybody can ride a bicycle either. More importantly, with winter on its way soon, those bike racks will feel like a waste of space. Overall, the car culture is just like the WNBA, because no matter how much it's despised, it's just not going away anytime soon, so start learning to live with it.
Sept. 30, 2016, 6:12 pm
Karen from RH from Red Hook says:
Joe where on here did I say I would beat anyone up? Read carefully... I said I believe if people came here acting entitled over people living in the projects and talking elitism and babaric like you are... also being irrational and racist came to RH talking like you talk on this thread in my opinion you would get the ish beat kicked and slapped out of you.
On a different note thank you for all the post that show humanity in response to the uglies. I appreciate the cohesion of the mind.
The people who can't connect the dots will go on from here to infinity pointing a finger at public housing residents for there high rents in Carroll Gardens. Keep in mind while working for a federal agency I got a snapshot of the incomes and professions in CG.
Oct. 1, 2016, 8:41 am
Karen from RH from Red Hook says:
Judges.... lawyers..... doctors....non tax payers like Trump.... high end criminals...the retired.. police officers... racist...
undocumented immigrants.. prescription and non prescription drug abuser...the good the bad

Just pointing out that there is good and bad in every community and in everybody
But when some of you speak about Public Housing Residents it's only in a hateful way..
We are progressive and hardworking tax payers too.
Oct. 1, 2016, 8:48 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sorry for the fake post last night. I was busying all night getting rammed in the bum by Donald Trump while wearing my Miss Piggy costume.

My man slave dress up games are keeping me so busy I may not even have the time to speak out against the real evil of the world which is of course bike zealots.
Oct. 1, 2016, 1:33 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Karen, the problem with some of the commenters here is that they feel that their needs outweigh everyone else just for riding a bicycle. I drive a car on a normal basis, but I don't think I am above all. Another thing is that these bike zealots don't know how those that don't have the same lifestyle as they do tend to live and pretty much ignore that. Sometimes, they will even consider them inferior, which shows their true colors.
Oct. 1, 2016, 5:04 pm
Karen from RH says:
Look, a lot of hardworking people live the projects. I moved here when I lost $100,000s paying medical bills after a severe infection in my vagina. I'll bet you didn't know that. My hole is still healing, but it really hurts. If it rubbed against a bicycle seat, you could just imagine the swelling. That is why I want to move the citi bikes.
As for the others, there's no telling how many other girls have super-gonorrea but don't know it yet. Do you want to share a bike seat with them???
Oct. 1, 2016, 5:51 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Karen, I too believe that not everyone who lives in housing projects are always on welfare. Just hearing the stereotype from others really does show how out of touch they are. BTW, I do support affordable housing, but as in real affordable housing, not housing that is claimed to be affordable when it's really not. Getting to bicycles, I don't hate them per se. If someone wants to ride bicycle, that's their choice and I won't stop that. However when they start acting as if the rules don't apply to them, always demand that they should get their way with bike racks and bike lanes, or even make personal attacks at anyone who disagrees with them, that's where the bike zealots start stepping boundaries. I just feel with the limited parking spaces available with all the development and reserved spots, every space for the residents that need them matter. Unfortunately, it does cost less to live where viable alternatives for transit is scarce compared to areas where it happens to be omnipresent hence the need for a car to get around more. More importantly, I do find it a waste of space to place a bike rack when it most likely won't even go used especially when the weather gets colder compared to just having the parking spaces there, which are used all seasons. Overall, I don't hate bicycles nor do I want them off the road, I just feel that they need to act more like mature adults and respect others, plus they really need to stop impersonating me, because I really find that sinking very low for them.
Oct. 1, 2016, 6:27 pm
Karen from RH from Red Hook says:
I agree with you Tal Barzilai... The lowlife on here who are impersonating me being vulgar and babaric have been duly reported
Other than that I could care less about what the coward writes or lies about me. Up until the point that they went low... I go high because I'm so glad that I know there are evil people all hiding behind facebook. Lmao enjoying my life blessed... loved.... healthy and humane. God bless you all too
Oct. 1, 2016, 10:54 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I am really as dumb as this repetitive insane rant makes me sound. There's no other way to say it.

Plus as always I'm the smart mature adult that is also unemployed, living in my parent's basement and also trading fluids with my man slave.
Oct. 2, 2016, 10:38 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The best way to respect others is post insane rants filled with anecdotal experiences from the useless troll people who complain to the Brooklyn Paper, NY Post or NY Daily News.

Also respect others by blaming people for their own deaths in a public forum which I did the time I drove all the way down to Brooklyn to show my fat face at the community meeting.

In addition I remain unemployed, single and living in my parent's basement. Thank god for my parent's success otherwise I'd probably be homeless and living in a gutter.
Oct. 2, 2016, 10:48 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Seeing these impersonations of me really does show how low those bike zealots really can go and that they can't be taken seriously anymore.
Oct. 2, 2016, 3:56 pm
Yeezus from Red Hook says:
Frances Brown drives a brand new Cadillac.
Oct. 3, 2016, 5:04 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, I didn't make that comment yesterday at 7:01 PM, someone else did using my name to insult me. Also, those who are impersonating me are saying this that they wouldn't even say to their own grandmothers. I guess for the bike zealots when you can't seem to disprove someone else's claims, the only way to win is to make the other look bad even though I can see through them. I don't see why they can't just use their own names. Maybe it's because there is a warrants for their arrests and the authorities can be easily alerted. What I really can't understand about the bike zealots is why do they need to make personal attacks or even just act bent out of shape at those who don't share their views. Seriously, they had their say, so let the other side have theirs' as well. Another thing is that I could never understand that because they ride a bicycle, their needs must outweigh everyone else's needs, which is where the narcissism seems to come from. Overall, they need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them and not all of their ideas can work in real life. On a side note, I don't get paid to come on message boards nor do some of the things they say about me are even true such as living in my parents basement or having men sex slaves let alone anything else they say such as being pedophile when I'm not, which shows how low they can really go.
Oct. 3, 2016, 6:02 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Correction. This Tal must be the fake Tal because he writes in paragraphs rather than insane irrelevant rants. I am the real Tal. But to be clear I also love my grandmother and I hope she gets the chance to see me and oatmeal cookie (my man slave gag baller) get married in the coming years. Our needs are weighed equally and neither of us are narcissist. We both give and take, give and take, swapping positions to maximize throughput of our highway. The whole thing about being a pedophile, well that's true but I served my time after a long chase where there was a warrant for my arrest. Truth is while I still occasionally molest kittens I've learned my lesson thanks to the fine folks at the Plesantville police station.
Oct. 4, 2016, 4:18 pm
Larry from Park Slope says:
"98 percent of residents who she claims own cars,"

Of course, when the taxpayers are paying your rent and your utilities, you can afford to own a car. Great system they got working for them, eh?
Oct. 9, 2016, 2:41 pm

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