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Bay Ridge panel slams city plan to shrink 86th Street

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A Bay Ridge panel slammed the city’s plan to rip away two lanes of traffic from a swath of 86th Street, claiming the Department of Transporta­tion’s traffic calming proposal would cause major gridlock on the heavily traveled boulevard.

“I object to you using the word ‘calming.’ What you mean is ‘delaying,’ ” Community Board 10 Traffic and Transportation Committee member Allen Bortnick told a Department of Transportation rep on Wednesday as he panned the city’s recommendations for 86th Street between Fourth Avenue and Shore Road.

The city wants to whittle 86th Street down to one lane in either direction, create a 10-foot painted median, expand the current parking lanes to accommodate double parked cars, and ban left turns from Fourth Avenue onto 86th Street, where city officials say drivers struck 36 pedestrians and five bicyclists from 2006 to 2010.

Slowing down speeding cars — which are currently unencumbered by a wide roadway — is the only way to end the carnage, Department of Transportation representative Maria Quirk told the committee.

“Taking away a lane won’t lead to any jamming,” she said. “Anytime you take away a left turn you make an intersection a little bit safer.”

But longtime Bay Ridgites disagreed. Bortnick and many others said that cars are already backed up on 86th Street. Under the city’s proposal, the congestion everyone is already suffering through would only increase, they claimed.

“This is going to be horrendous,” said resident Tressa Kabbez, fearing that idling vehicles stuck in traffic would lead to serious air quality problems.

Yet some praised the plan, claiming that the changes will force wayward motorists to behave.

“You’re not simply having the same drivers making the same decisions, you’re going to have different drivers making better decisions,” said resident Ian Richards.

Resident Maureen Landers, who was struck by a car as she pushed her child’s stroller across the street — even though she had the light — said that 86th Street’s traffic problems were killing local businesses.

“I often choose not to shop along 86th because I am afraid,” Landers said.

The committee rejected the city’s proposal with a seven to four vote, but not before firing off a litany of traffic calming ideas for 86th Street, such as staggering the timing of traffic lights, putting stop signs mid-block, and constructing metal and concrete fences to corral jaywalkers.

Councilman Vincent Gentile (D–Bay Ridge) said the city should consider CB10’s ideas before making any drastic changes to 86th Street.

“Adding lights and traffic signs might be something we might try before we start changing traffic patterns,” Gentile said.

CB10 is expected to vote on the committee’s recommendation on March 19, but the Department of Transportation could still go ahead with its plan since CB10’s opinion is only advisory in nature.

Yet committee Chairman Brian Kieran believes that the city won’t go ahead with an idea that is so wildly unpopular with the community.

“The overwhelming majority of phone calls at our office were against the proposal,” he said.

CB10 blocked the city’s plan to build a median and ban left turns onto 86th Street from Fourth Avenue last year. The city eventually backed away from both proposals.

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SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
agreed something needs to change but the situation is not helped by utterly stupid comments like:

"“You’re not simply having the same drivers making the same decisions, you’re going to have different drivers making better decisions,” said resident Ian Richards. "

Ian, How are you going to have different drivers? That makes no sense. There drivers will be the same. This is a neighborhood and every sense of the word, a good neighborhood. Regular folks from a regular neighborhood drive here. Are they going to be forced to leave, will they never driver here again? Not going to have the same drivers? Of course you are.
March 17, 2012, 12:12 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
agreed something needs to change but the situation is not helped by utterly stupid comments like:

"“You’re not simply having the same drivers making the same decisions, you’re going to have different drivers making better decisions,” said resident Ian Richards. "

Ian, How are you going to have different drivers? That makes no sense. There drivers will be the same. This is a neighborhood and every sense of the word, a good neighborhood. Regular folks from a regular neighborhood drive here. Are they going to be forced to leave, will they never driver here again? Not going to have the same drivers? Of course you are.
March 17, 2012, 12:12 pm
Shawn from Sunset Park says:
Just add a left turn traffic light to freeze the intersection and allow a few left-turners to proceed onto 4th before going to green and walk. And more clearly marked lanes in the intersection can help avoid side-swiping on the zig-zagging intersection.
March 17, 2012, 1:13 pm
Stewart from Brooklyn says:
While the rest of the city figure out how to have vibrant, safe streets, Bay Ridgers can take comfort in the fact that their streets will remain as dangerous as always.

Have fun choking on your traffic.
March 17, 2012, 1:17 pm
Craig from Miami says:
What these naysayers don't realize is, that if their street were traffic-calmed to being with, and NYCDOT wanted to come in and widen it, allowing cars to speed faster, they would be fighting tooth and nail against it!

Change is always hard to envision but vibrant streets free from roaring traffic is not.
March 17, 2012, 2:19 pm
Dave from Park Slope says:
Stewart has it right. Who wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood where cars are king and the Community Board would rather put pedestrians in pens than implement traffic-"delaying" measures. Why don't they just vote to annex themselves to New Jersey*?

[*Apologies to New Jersey.]
March 17, 2012, 4:43 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I am glad that the panel made the right decision to not allow for traffic calming on 86th Street in Bay Ridge. Placing this on a major thoroughfare can actually do more harm than good. With the reduced lanes, it will cause traffic to go on the side streets making them congested when they used to not be. I don't see why fixing the timing signals on the traffic lights can't be done seeing that they are cheaper and won't cause any inconvenience, plus put some lefter turn signals on them to allow for some to feel unhindered when making that turn. Also, I thank those in the article who said that traffic calming will only make things worse to not just the traffic, but also to the air quality, because of the fewer lanes of travel. They showed that the power belongs to the people, not to the few.
March 17, 2012, 5:07 pm
Liz Lemon from Bay Ridge says:
CB 10 you do not speak for us residents! We need safer streets and time and time again you block any measure that the DOT wants to take to make us safer. If you don't like what the DOT has to offer I ask you, CB 10 what are your plans for safer streets? We have not heard anything from you so leave us to believe you just don't car about pedestrians, just cars who by the way drive right out of the neighborhood to do their shopping and not support the local businesses. So continue hurting them as well.
March 17, 2012, 7:39 pm
ty from pps says:
I'm soooooo glad our idiot friend, Tal Barlizai, who DOESN'T LIVE IN BROOKLYN and is so friggin' utterly ignorant of anything to do with traffic engineering, couldn't resist posting another one of his comments based on NOTHING.

Tal -- When was the last time you were on 86th street? You've evaluated the conditions? You've seen what lights exist and how the traffic flows? Hmmm?

Describe the street to us.
March 17, 2012, 8:28 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way -- this is EXACTLY what the DOT did to Ocean Avenue in Flatbush. Added a painted median, added clearly defined turning lanes at intersections, created space for navigating around double-parked cars....

Guess what? Same "outrage" about causing traffic jams and so on. Know what happened? Cars drive at reasonable speeds in clearly defined lanes... and traffic flows BETTER!!!
March 17, 2012, 8:31 pm
ty from pps says:
(I actually think the banning left turns is probably overkill -- especially if the median can create clear turning lanes)
March 17, 2012, 8:33 pm
ty from pps says:
(However -- I will also defer authority to those that STUDY TRAFFIC as a profession... whining based on uninformed opinion is fun and all, but not actually based on reality.)
March 17, 2012, 8:35 pm
Bay Ridge Resident from BR says:
Shame on CB10. The next time a pedestrian is hit, the board will have blood on its hands.
March 17, 2012, 9:15 pm
Jim from cobble hill says:
please, for the love of everything, please just don't inflict another "Sunday Screech" on us ...
March 17, 2012, 10:26 pm
Andrew from Williamsburg says:
“I object to you using the word ‘calming.’ What you mean is ‘delaying,’ ” Community Board 10 Traffic and Transportation Committee member Allen Bortnick told a Department of Transportation rep.

Yes Allen, when half of all vehicles on the street are speeding, then a delay means traveling within the legal speed limit.
March 17, 2012, 11 pm
Ridgie from the Hood says:
I object to Allen Bortnick using the phrase 'Community' Board. What you mean is 'bunch of idiots.'
March 17, 2012, 11:15 pm
old time brooklyn from SLOPE says:
BAN CARS - why do we have to breathe their
gasses
March 18, 2012, 12:36 am
mike from GP says:
Amazing how CB10 Transportation Committee member Allen Bortnick seems to know very little about transportation. Sounds like he's 60 years behind the profession. Where do they get these people?
March 18, 2012, 1:50 am
JP from Downtown says:
How about a roundabout? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Safety
March 18, 2012, 5:50 am
D from Crown Heights says:
Hey JP,

You like a roundabout? You wanna be the one that tells the property owners of every corner property that they're being eminent domain'ed so that the city can turn an intersection into a roundabout? Those things take up mad space.
March 18, 2012, 10:21 am
D from Crown Heights says:
Hey JP,

You like a roundabout? You wanna be the one that tells the property owners of every corner property that they're being eminent domain'ed so that the city can turn an intersection into a roundabout? Those things take up mad space.
March 18, 2012, 10:21 am
ty from pps says:
Roundabouts in smaller intersections are VERY common and don't take up space like a large one. They work very well. I've driven in Edinburgh and London and have gone through countless intersections that use these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Mini-roundabouts
March 18, 2012, 11:25 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Allen Bortnick and the others who voted there live there on a daily basis and know what that street is like, while those on the DOT don't. Last time I checked, the number of votes indicated that opposition was about 3/4 the vote, and that is considered a landslide in many votes. In other words, quit acting like a sore loser here. For the most part, traffic calming is really nothing but a short term goal, while in long term, it actually creates more traffic than prevents it. Meanwhile Councilmen Vincent Gentile thinks that there are better and more cheaper ways than this. Perhaps, another reason for the opposition could be that they feel that their taxpayer dollars could be spent on things much more important than some pet project like this.
March 18, 2012, 12:32 pm
ty from pps says:
"For the most part, traffic calming is really nothing but a short term goal, while in long term, it actually creates more traffic than prevents it."

Well, Tal, you have a point -- except that is TOTALLY false.

Why are you such an annoying human being? (Though, I'm still not convinced you're not a computer programmed to constantly post dumb things.)
March 18, 2012, 1:05 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, you obviously don't drive on a regular basis, so you have no idea what traffic calming really does. There have been many studies proving that traffic calm does create more traffic and forces many motor vehicles to use side streets if they are pressed for time, and there have been many residents that oppose that. Traffic can never magically disappear, it just gets located somewhere else. Think about water flows through a slit. Does it flow faster when the slit is thinner or thicker? I am sure that you should know the answer to that. If you really cared about air quality, then you would be trying to make electric cars and hybrids more affordable, but seeing that you're most likely anti-car, even those seem to make you mad. How do I know that you aren't a computer that is programmed to make personal attacks at those that don't agree with you? If you don't like what I am saying, then don't read them, because nobody is forcing you to do so. Just to something more productive with your time such as update your fantasy sports team or find a girlfriend.
March 18, 2012, 1:21 pm
ty from pps says:
"you obviously don't drive on a regular basis" -- WHAT?! You base this on what?

And - WOW - Your understanding of traffic flow is just painfully ignorant.

"Road diets" have proven over and over and over that it can (and does) make traffic flow better, more predictably and more safely! In fact, I provided a VERY good example of this above. Ocean Avenue in Flatbush. Ever been there? It's very near Prospect Park, ya know that place you're a huge expert on.

Ocean Avenue was reduced from 4 lanes to 2 with turning lanes at intersections. I drive REGULARLY during rush hour on this street. The same whining idiots like you were saying "This will create congestion" etc. etc. IT DIDN'T!! It make traffic flow BETTER. The intersections and lane markings are more logical. Cars don't race well above the speed limit constantly changing lanes.

What about 9th street in Park Slope -- also 4 lanes reduced to 2.

Like I've said many times... you're an idiot. If you think traffic works like water, well, that's just another reason your an idiot.
March 18, 2012, 1:42 pm
ty from pps says:
And Tal -- The reason I read and comment on your comments is because others might (purely by accident) think that what you say has something to do with reality.
March 18, 2012, 1:45 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, judging by your attitude, you really need to take a chill pill. Perhaps a breather from the internet will help you or better yet, just take anger management classes. Nevertheless, the community board voted in a landslide against this. Traffic calms may work in places where cars aren't used much, but in auto-centric areas, it has been proven to hurt the area. Also, Bay Ridge is NOT like Park Slope, so the way of living is much different especially because there are lot of properties there with driveways there. Then again, the opposition also felt that their taxpayers dollars can be used for something much more important than traffic calming, because doing this won't be cheap. On a side note, go back to that propaganda website known as Streetsblog, where they constantly black list everyone who doesn't see the world through their eyes. Better yet, go stage a coup in Zimbabwe and become the next dictator so you can have all the traffic calming and bike lanes you want and many will be forced to support them because they will have to or be shot.
March 18, 2012, 2:09 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- You're on a roll! Yes, you're right -- painting stripes on the street is very expensive. Installing additional street lights, light posts, running electrical conduit, etc. is much less expensive. Building a huge pedestrian fence sounds cheap too. And stop signs "mid-block" -- that sounds like a brilliant idea proposed by this community board filled with traffic engineers and other traffic experts.

Have you ever thought about the fact that the community board is only "advisory" so they get to say whatever crazy thing that comes into their head and parrot the positions of ignorant nutjobs like you that live in their district?

Why don't you worry about PLEASANTVILLE and your own community... oh and perhaps actually trying to learn about something before spewing crap. Sorry, am I "hamasing"? Christ you're a stupid person.
March 18, 2012, 2:31 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, knock it off with the personal attacks already. Actually, 7 out of 11 voting against it counts for about 2/3 of the vote, but that is still a landslide either way. You keep forgetting that democracy can work in two ways, and this is with you and against you. Don't forget that if you have the right to express how you feel, so do others with their statement. At least I don't make an enemies list like you and all the other Streetsbloggers seem to. BTW, they tried traffic calming on the Fort Hamilton Pkwy with pedestrian islands, and they were later on removed when it was found that it wasn't just an inconvenience for just regular traffic, but also for service and emergency vehicles as well, plus they were always opposed from the start by the very community there. However, I find it apples and oranges whenever you try to compare neighborhoods that aren't the same at all or even when comparing NYC to places either in this country, Europe, or even the world when the population doesn't even match. On a side note, the Pleasantville school district does NOT provide school buses, so the children going there have to either walk or have their parents take them in some way or form, so you just got debunked there.
March 18, 2012, 3:34 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- How exactly have I be "debunked" about Pleasantville?

I know as much about Pleasantville as you do about Brooklyn -- namely, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! Why don't you worry about the community you live in instead of pretending you know anything about our community. Even you statements about Fort Hamilton Pkwy are based on crap you heard from ignorant people quoted in this "newspaper."

Focus your energy on PLEASANTVILLE -- where you live -- not Brooklyn -- where you DON'T live. We can worry about our own democratic process. I think it's funny you think the community board has anything to do with democracy. The 50 members of each Community Board... Who elected them? Tell me. Since you know so much. Who elected the members of CB 10?
March 18, 2012, 5:15 pm
MZ from Scotland says:
Guys it's time to wake up!

If you already have backed-up cars and dangerous streets the solution is not caging the pedestrians - they're not the problem. Design your neighbourhoods in such a way as to make sustainable transport options viable and you stand a chance of addressing the challenges of cost, health and environmental damage that come with car usage.

http://www.streetfilms.org/cycling-copenhagen-through-north-american-eyes/#more-47411
March 18, 2012, 6:33 pm
Michael from Bay Ridge says:
Shrinking 86th street might be the best thing to happen to BR. Not only would decreasing the number of cars mean cleaner air, it would also be an oppurtunity to plant more trees and make the street look more attractive.
March 19, 2012, 4:36 am
Joe Blow from Bay Ridge says:
The 68th Prec needs to start enforcing the law with respect to moving violations. The 68th Prec ignores almost all moving violations (even those that take place in full view of a patrol car). Because of this Bay Ridge is essentially known as a "no enforcement zone" for speeing, blowing through stop signs, rolling through red lights, failing to yield to people in cross walks, etc. The 68th Prec's failure to do its job has fostered a culture on non compliance with respect to speeding, stop signs etc. Get the 68th to crack down on moving violations, just like it does with respect to TEA enforcement of parking violations for parked vehicles (which pose no safety threat), and you'll see a real change in behavior.
March 19, 2012, 11 am
tom from bay ridge says:
These comments would have been a nice read if only the non-Ridge comments were deleted.

BTW: we have roundabouts/rotaries/traffic circles here in Brooklyn. Bartel-Pritchard Sq. is probably closest to BR. They work best with low volume and only YIELD signs, no stop lights. Heavy volume overwhelms any benefits. With our built-up environment, they're not a practical solution here.
March 19, 2012, 2:01 pm
ty from pps says:
Tom - Bartel-Pritchard Square is a "traffic circle" with weird (unnecessary) lights.

In your estimation, is Edinburgh and London not a "built-up environment"?? Mini-traffic circles would definitely be a practical solution in much of Brooklyn. Would it be the solution for 86th street and 4th Avenue? No, probably not. Would it be a possible solution for the REST of 86th Street and countless other intersections? Possibly.
March 19, 2012, 2:16 pm
Henry from Bay Ridge says:
There's a strong car culture in Bay Ridge, but there's also an increasing segment of the community interested in safe streets: slower automobile traffic, better bicycle lanes, safer pedestrian routes. Those interested in safe streets, however, are NOT represented in significant numbers on CB10. I'd like to see a greater diversity of viewpoints and experiences on the community board to reflect the growing diversity of the community.
March 19, 2012, 3:22 pm
Pat from Park Slope says:
Wait a second--you mean this Tal guy who is always spouting off on this board lives in Pleasantville, in Westchester??? WHY ARE YOU ON THIS BOARD? HAVE THEY RUN YOU OUT OF TOWN UP THERE?

Here's a few places you might try:
the Pleasantville Patch: http://pleasantville.patch.com/?sem=1&ncid=keywrduspatc00000018&s_kwcid=TC|15226|pleasantville%20NY||S|b|20695767328

Topix for Pleasantville: http://www.topix.com/city/pleasantville-ny

If you're looking to irritate lots of your neighbors insteat of strangers, try LoHud. It's huge!
http://www.lohud.com/

The Examiner sure seems to be paying attention to Pleasantville these days--big election coming up! Are you running, or just talking about somewhere 30 miles from where you live?
http://www.theexaminernews.com/

Look! Even the official Pleasantville website has a News section! And be sure to vote Tuesday, Tal!
http://www.pleasantville-ny.gov/Pages/index
March 19, 2012, 3:31 pm
trans alt from my bike says:
Yeah Bay Ridge, we are coming after you and your cars. Even though 86th street is so congested no one goes over 10mph, we are taking it away from you. There is always the suburbs if you can't live without your car.
March 19, 2012, 6:01 pm
ty from pps says:
Where's Tal, our Brooklyn Expert? I was waiting for him to tell me who democratically elected Community Board 10.
March 19, 2012, 6:13 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, I do have a life outside the internet, and quit ganging up on me. As much as you hate cars, just like the WNBA, they aren't going away anytime soon. There will always be a need for them no matter what even in big cities like NYC. Putting that aside, perhaps the community board members that voted against it saw through what the DOT was planning. Although these people are appointed, they still reflect the community, and I am so tired of you guys acting that whenever they disagree, it had to be by forces unknown. Of course, for anything more, you will have to ask them. I have seen Bay Ridge off the Belt Pkwy and even went through a few times, and it's pretty auto-centric, and this is the case for many NYC neighborhoods that are pretty remote. In terms of mass transit, 4th Avenue as the subway lines for much of it. One a side note, I still don't see the hostilities hear from some of you, and if someone from Scotland gets to comment here, then I don't see why I can't, which contradicts your provincialism here.
March 19, 2012, 9:06 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- How do you know the community board reflects the community? What is that based on?

Even though there is a "car culture" in Bay Ridge, you do know that it is still the case that MOST PEOPLE don't drive every day! It's not like Pleasantville here -- no, not even in Bay Ridge or other "remote" neighborhoods. Go to your strip malls with ample parking and leave us alone.
March 19, 2012, 9:24 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Tal, it's really awesome you can call for doing nothing to fix a serious problems of car striking pedestrians on a regular basis... ya know, since your understanding is based on the fact that you "have seen Bay Ridge off the Belt Pkwy and even went through a few times"

Are you F&@KING kidding?!?!?!?!?
March 19, 2012, 9:36 pm
James from Bay Ridge says:
There is not a strong car culture in bay ridge. the last ACS survey, if I remember correctly, has bay ridge with 45% of a households not owning a car. The nyc average hovers around 50-55%, so its within range.

Second, as someone who grew up right off bay ridge, 90% of all trips are taken by foot to go to 86. You see people criss crossing 86 and its insane they still allow so much space for cars.

CB 10 is full of older, more conservative people. I really suggest us younger folk try to get involved more, so our CB can represent a fuller perspective for once.
March 19, 2012, 10 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
James, maybe those that are driving don't actually live in Bay Ridge, but probably in nearby neighborhoods such as Dyker Heights, which doesn't get any subway lines. However, we will never know that for sure, but it's a good observation there. As for ty, community boards listen a lot to concerns from the community as they are supposed to. Nevertheless, 2/3 is considered a landslide, and keep in mind that this is the minimum number of votes needed in both houses of Congress when it comes to passing a law before it goes to the president or to override a veto. By your logic of saying that they don't really represent the community, especially if they disagree, then that must of been the case for the community boards that opposed the AY complex in their areas. Seriously, it's annoying to think that when you and your friends don't get your way, you have to believe that this is being caused by forces unknown, plus attacking someone like me just for not being here on a daily basis is a hit below the belt, and you still need to take anger management classes for having such an attitude. Maybe an appointment with Dr. Freud will help you with your ego problem.
March 19, 2012, 10:27 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
James, maybe those that are driving don't actually live in Bay Ridge, but probably in nearby neighborhoods such as Dyker Heights, which doesn't get any subway lines. However, we will never know that for sure, but it's a good observation there. As for ty, community boards listen a lot to concerns from the community as they are supposed to. Nevertheless, 2/3 is considered a landslide, and keep in mind that this is the minimum number of votes needed in both houses of Congress when it comes to passing a law before it goes to the president or to override a veto. By your logic of saying that they don't really represent the community, especially if they disagree, then that must of been the case for the community boards that opposed the AY complex in their areas. Seriously, it's annoying to think that when you and your friends don't get your way, you have to believe that this is being caused by forces unknown, plus attacking someone like me just for not being here on a daily basis is a hit below the belt, and you still need to take anger management classes for having such an attitude. Maybe an appointment with Dr. Freud will help you with your ego problem.
March 19, 2012, 10:27 pm
ty from pps says:
Wait a second Tal....

"Seriously, it's annoying to think that when you and your friends don't get your way, you have to believe that this is being caused by forces unknown"

Aren't you the same one who can't get enough of the lawsuits by the NIMBYs on Prospect Park West? Ya know, even though the bike lane on that street was supported by the community board (after several YEARS of open, community input and process) and the community at large. Hmm?

Never mind. Don't respond. You'll just say something stupid. Uggh. Just stick with Pleasantville issues. Seriously. Don't you have things to whine about up there?! Talk about a need for therapy. Brooklyn isn't even where you live! And you come here almost as much as I go to Pleasantville -- which is only on Tuesdays and Thursdays to watch you through your windows.
March 19, 2012, 11:38 pm
ty from pps says:
Also Tal -- You wouldn't feel so damn victimized or like we were all "ganging up on you" if you stopped saying such stupid things. I bet you could express yourself more intelligently, but you get in your own way. You go off on rants that aren't based on facts, just impressions. And they almost always involve many moving parts (many of which are contradictory) Take a breath. Try to learn about something before your type. And stop with the paranoia and "where I'm from that would be... " comments.

That DOES being up one major point --

What is your obsession with a city you barely come to? Does traffic pattern changes and bike lanes in Brooklyn have any impact on your life? Even a tiny bit?! Do you think 'liveable streets' initiatives in Brooklyn will cause someone to take you car away? That you won't be able to drive to McArthur's
American Grille... in Pleasantville?
March 20, 2012, 10:01 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, whether or not you agree with me, it doesn't give you the right to launch personal attacks at me, and I find that very unprofessional. Nevertheless, the community board members voted and you lost, get over it. I didn't call it forces unknown when the vote was for the bike lane on PPW, and I heard a lot of opposition than support. Seeing that you don't like when community boards can make a decision, then I guess when all 39 community board members had a vote and 35-4 went against the AY complex, which was also a landslide, that most have been elitist as well. Then again, you can always try to be like your friend Ratner and find ways to get around ULURP like he did. Maybe SEQRA can help you get what you want for 86th Street just like how Ratner got his way by using them.
March 20, 2012, 5:32 pm
jimmy from bay ridge says:
Why not start with enforcement? Ticketing in the area for speeding, reckless driving, littering, vandalism? I have never seen anyone stopped for doing 50 down any of the street or avenues.
March 20, 2012, 5:33 pm
jimmy from bay ridge says:
Why not start with enforcement? Ticketing in the area for speeding, reckless driving, littering, vandalism? I have never seen anyone stopped for doing 50 down any of the street or avenues.
March 20, 2012, 5:33 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
A few other things to say, it doesn't take a special insider to know what a boondoggle is. I have been calling out boondoggles not just from all over the NY area, but also across the country and the world. By that same logic, you have no right to say what goes on in Israel since you don't live, but at least I was born there and have family living there. Putting that all aside, you have no right to demand censorship on others let alone call them stupid or ignorant. You don't hear anyone calling you that or even telling you what to like, so knock it off. I dare you to say these things on websites such as the major news media for NYC or even Queens Crap, and many will see you as the attacker here. Sometimes, you just need to keep your ego to yourself. On a side note, Pleasantville's most prestigious restaurant is the Iron Horse Grill, which me and my family will be going to this Friday as part Restaurant Week for the Hudson Valley.
March 20, 2012, 5:42 pm
ty from pps says:
Actually, Tal, I do have a right to call you stupid and ignorant. Prove me wrong and I'll stop.

Also, I also will not stop suggesting you mind your own damn business... ya know, PLEASANTVILLE where you live... unlike Brooklyn, where you DON'T LIVE.

So, I can't talk about Israel because I wasn't born there (even though I actually know many people that live there), but you can continue to spew ignorant crap about Brooklyn?!??!?!?!?!?!? WHAT!!?? See, this is why I think you are ignorant and stupid. You can't even be rational and consistent within ONE of your own posts!

Enjoy your supper. Maybe I'll introduce myself.
March 20, 2012, 6:29 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, the point is that calling someone stupid and ignorant in most areas doesn't help you, it hurts you. To quote Michael Moore, "You are nothing but a wacko attacko." I don't care if you disagree with me, it's attacking me that I don't like. Talking like this really makes me question your age and even integrity. Just recently, I saw a show where people who talk the way you do are considered bullies, so it made me think about you. Just because you are on the internet, doesn't mean you have the right to call people names you wouldn't be able to call them in real life. Overall, if you don't like what I post, then just don't read it because nobody is pointing a gun at your head or a knife at your throat telling you to read them or get killed, so stop with that already.
March 20, 2012, 8:02 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal - I'm so sorry you don't enjoy it when I call you stupid and ignorant. Too bad it doesn't change anything. You're very stupid and ignorant. Do you want me to meet you in Pleasantville so I can tell you in person?
March 20, 2012, 9:40 pm

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