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Why did the luxury condo tenant move across the road?

It’s not a stupid kids joke, but a oderiferous situation on Greenpoint Avenue, where residents of a converted historic building are moving out because they can’t stand the fowl smell and squawking from a neighboring slaughterhouse.

“It’s dirty, there’s always feathers flying around, and there’s a nasty smelling liquid that leaks out occasional­ly,” said Greenpoint Avenue resident Andrew Rodgers, who is moving out of his building, near Franklin Street, this month.

But the one-story factory, New Lee’s Live Poultry Market, has been a working slaughterhouse since 1928.

Rodgers is one of several tenants who felt caged in living above the killing factory. He said his broker “glossed over” the presence of the slaughterhouse when he looked at the place a year ago and allegedly suggested that the factory would be gone in a few months.

Rodgers and his neighbors have suffered from the smell and noise of factory workers, who unload metal crates with tasty ducks, chickens, and turkeys into the factory at 5 am every day.

Now, he’s put a homemade sign advertising a moving sale in his building’s storefront, which reads, “The chickens are driving me crazy!”

“This is a beautiful neighborhood and there’s this blight on the street,” said Rodgers. “It’s not a good place, it’s in the wrong place.”

The condo’s developer, Leonard Rutkowitz said New Lee’s owner John Chen wrote to him about a plan he hatched to move the factory to Johnson Street — but Chen blamed city regulations for delaying the move.

“It’s totally affected our business,” said Rutkowitz, who has been forced to convert his condo building to rentals because only four units sold. “One tenant moved in and then moved out after a month. We broke her lease.”

Chen even told the New York Times in 2009 that he might move, prompting one resident to predict the factory would definitely be gone before she ever left.

But it was Chen who played chicken and won — that resident moved out this month.

Calls made to New Lee’s were not returned.

Meanwhile, some in Greenpoint are blaming the residents, not the chicken man.

Blogger Miss Heather of New York Shitty pointed out that new residents must exercise “due diligence” before signing a lousy deal.

“I have heard from more than one person that sales agents shilling this property were telling prospective clients the slaughterhouse would be gone in six months,” she wrote. “Obviously, this didn’t happen.”

Updated 12:35 pm, May 24, 2011
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Reasonable discourse

Juniper from Greenpoint says:
It is the tenents fault. The sign is there and clearly marked. There is no for rent sign. It's been there before Some of their grandparents were born.

Never had a problem closing Th pencil factory and walking home down Greenpoint. They are probably vegetarians who don't even like the idea of the place.

How far are we doing to put up with whimpy pathedic. Hipsters moving in and changing Greenpoint?

I say let the man run his business and let the others go.
May 24, 2011, 7:06 am
Matt C. from Kensington says:
This is great! But it's not a condo, it's a rental building. At least if there're leases, that's the case. You by a condo, you rent an apartment.
May 24, 2011, 7:11 am
Ahab from Bay Rij says:
If ever the dictionary needed a new definition for stupidity it would involve some albino jackass moving into a place near a "live poultry sign" and then complaining about the smell.
May 24, 2011, 8:29 am
job provider from greenpoint says:
I paid too much money to live in a place with such a fowl smell. This slaughterhouse has got to go. They can find a good home in a poor neighborhood somewhere.
May 24, 2011, 8:48 am
No Sympathy from Brooklyn says:
You should have done your homework. You high rent does not trump the slaughter house.
May 24, 2011, 9:17 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Trustifarians who are unaware of their surroundings.

You bought it.
May 24, 2011, 10:06 am
deb from jackson heights says:
next thing you know, these trust fund whiners will start demanding that all their neighbors speak only English -- no more Polish or Spanish -- because they're uncomfortable around the 'natives.'
May 24, 2011, 10:31 am
TCB from Sheepshead bay says:
Same as the dummys,who buy a house next to a garbage dump,and then scream that it smells. or next to an airport runway,and complain about the noise.
May 24, 2011, 10:32 am
leroy from the hood says:
What an idiot expecting a chicken slaughterhouse not to smell. Could he read the sign?
May 24, 2011, 10:46 am
ann from greenpoint says:
Is this a story about an 80-year-old chicken? I can't read the article because the font is too small. Don't worry. If it's 80 years old it will die soon and they will slaughter it and there will be no more smell.
May 24, 2011, 10:51 am
Ryan from Greenpoint says:
It is truly disgusting. I used to live on the block as well and there's nothing like starting your day trying to walk past a sidewalk littered with gizzards, feathers, and sometimes feet being hosed to the street by Chinese men with the sludge to then roast on the curb in the hot summer sun. There has to be some sort of sanitation foul play happening here...
May 24, 2011, 10:59 am
Bill from Greenpoint says:
I alerted Fox 5 about this place years ago and they did an undercover story on it. Check it out in July when its 97 degrees out and all the vans have no air conditioning. Some have the units but they're never on. How this place hasn't killed anyone is beyond me. They deliver to mainly the China town area you see their vans their all the time.
May 24, 2011, 11 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Isn't it part of the green plan to eat local food? Better to have the slaughter house here than the evil Tyson foods in Arkansaw.
May 24, 2011, 12:16 pm
Tater from exGreenpoint says:
I lived on Greenpoint years ago in the late 90's. One morning on my way to work I was confronted by a large white duck with bright orange feet running right at me, closely followed by a small angry Asian man in a bloody white apron. It was quite a sight. The duck bought it.
May 24, 2011, 1:57 pm
rolandesque from bath beach says:
I lived directly across the street from here for years, back before there was Black rabbit, Coco 66, the lost and found bar/lulus/alligator greenpoint, Alter, that ridiculous grafitti store etc. And guess what, all that came to be with a slaughterhouse right on the same block. Brooke Shields was filming Lipstick Jungle right next door to the slaughterhouse. I must admit, it was smelly, but lets face it Greenpoint, for all it's trendiness, is a dirty stinky neighborhood. If not the slaughterhouse, then the sweage treatment plant, if not the sewage, the seventeen homeless dudes pissing on the wall next to Malone's car service. Time for a healthy dose of shut the F%$* up!
May 24, 2011, 3:26 pm
Ahab from Bay Rij says:
Will someone who lives near this illiterate will farrell lookalike please beat the tar out of him with a rubber chicken?!
May 24, 2011, 4:03 pm
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Can't this slaughterhouse be moved to someplace where poor people live? It's unfair to the tenants/buyers to have to live next door to a place where chickens are being killed.

If they keep complaining, something will be done about this blight.

It's not cool man.
May 24, 2011, 4:48 pm
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
“"It’s dirty, there’s always feathers flying around, and there’s a nasty smelling liquid that leaks out occasionally,” said Greenpoint Avenue resident Andrew Rodgers, who is moving out of his building, near Franklin Street, this month."

"His" building is located in the middle of the block. Is Franklin St. referenced because it's the "hip strip" as opposed to Manhattan Ave., which is just as close?

“This is a beautiful neighborhood and there’s this blight on the street,” said Rodgers. “It’s not a good place, it’s in the wrong place.”

This place has been in existence long before you were. Perhaps, it's you who are in the wrong place. Personally, I prefer the blight within the neighborhood because of its homegrown and historical association with the area, unlike the imported kind which pervaded Greenpoint and surrounding neighborhoods introduced by you and your interloping, transient demographic. Don't expect the neighborhood, or its residents, to adapt to your perceptions of civilization. When in Rome, do as the Romans, booby-boy. One of the charming aspects of neighborhoods in the city, before the destructive trend of homogenization/gentrification, was their individual and unique character.

Mr. Rodgers' neighborhood (heh) was, and is, one of those unique places. He, and countless others of his self-absorbed, self-entitled ilk, move to this city to get away from whatever pathetic lifestyle they followed back wherever they originally called home. Yet, they attempt to transplant that same lifestyle here. You can't have it both ways. If whatever grittiness, blight, vice or annoying local customs bother you, you have two choices. Adapt; or, go the hell back from whence you were spawned. We were doing fine before you infested the neighborhood; and, we'll do fine after you leave.
May 24, 2011, 7:28 pm
Chuck from Brookyln says:
As the Asian from The Hangover would say.... "So long gay boy!!" Transplants always complaining, bye, we wont miss you
May 24, 2011, 8:29 pm
pat I. from Former Brooklynite says:
How stupid do you have to be to trust a realtor - in a hipster neighborhood?

What an overwhelming sense of entitlement. And the photo of the guy holding his nose? Well let's just say I'm a firm believer in kharma.

My father in law worked in corporate real estate. His advice ws if there's a questionable business, empty lot, abandoned
warehouse near the property your interested - don't listen to the realtor - go to the zoning board and check out the plans.
May 24, 2011, 8:33 pm
diehipster says:
Joe Z

I have a feeling you would like www.diehipster.com

DH
May 24, 2011, 8:34 pm
pat I. from Former Brooklynite says:
Joe Z.

Amen.

I live in S. Jersey. Many well to do helicopter parents send thieir little Dakotas and Zacks off into the wilds of gentrified Brooklyn only to have them run back because of lack of parking, stairs, noise, walking with groceries and having to suffer the indignity of having to use mass transit.

But oh do they come back with the attitude...the "yeah I lived in brooklyn" aura complete with the hipster uniform. They hold court in the local Starbucks and tell their "war stories of their 3 months of gritty urban reality.
May 24, 2011, 8:42 pm
asdfasdf from adfs says:
almost as bad as the clueless buyers next to the train depot in lic and complain about the engine noise.
May 24, 2011, 8:54 pm
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
"diehipster says:
Joe Z

I have a feeling you would like www.diehipster.com

DH"

You're right, DH, I do. I actually found your blog right after it started up. I've been following it ever since then. Keep up the great job!
May 24, 2011, 9:33 pm
Girl on a stoop from Greenpoint says:
Greenpoint Ave was always dirty and always had the slaughterhouse... So you wanted to gentrify this too!!!

I guess I will just sit on my stoop an laught at the fact that eventually you will find a new hip area and eventually move along.. By the way why would you believe a realtor who makes money off of the sale or rental of your choice she will sell you a bridge if you bought it.. lol
May 24, 2011, 10:23 pm
Simon from greenpoint says:
Lol, I'm loving all this hipster hating going on here. Bearded douchebags need to go home.
May 24, 2011, 11:12 pm
Joebkny says:
Thanks die hipster, thats a great site.
May 25, 2011, 3:21 am
Joebkny says:
whats your contact e-mail on there?
May 25, 2011, 3:43 am
Skye from Red Hook says:
diehipsters@gmail.com

He'll probably write you back from his iPhone.

; )
May 25, 2011, 7:23 am
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
People like myself came to Brooklyn to make it better. Brooklyn is a cool place now as opposed to being the punchline to a joke about Guidos and Thugs.

You're Welcome,
Blaine
-Williamsburg, BK
May 25, 2011, 7:53 am
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
Don't try to fix what isn't broken.

Blaine, you exemplify the self-important, self-absorbed, narcissistic, pretentious imbecile lumps of mere organized animal matter we've grown to despise. You and your compatriots must have spent a lot of time growing up with "Kick Me!" signs taped on your backs. Your best fielding position when the other kids chose up sides for a ballgame was "left out". You were the kid that, when it was your turn to bat, the batting order was changed so you couldn't f**k things up for the team stuck with you, right? So now, as a child in what barely passes as an adult body, you take all that welled up frustration of being a loser and plan to exact revenge and seek retribution for all those slights, real or perceived, suffered during your worthless and pathetic childhood.

That you see yourself, and the rest of your legions of retrogeek zombie hordes, as some kind of cultural missionaries braving the wild and savage lands of Kings County in order to educate the natives with your worthless, parasitic perception of civilization is beyond arrogant. You're nothing more than cultural leeches. Why don't you pack up your urban explorer packpack, with kickball in hand, and go back to your cookie cutter, homogenized tract housing community in the Midwest and work on the rubes there?
May 25, 2011, 9:18 am
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Joe Z.,

You should be thanking me and the other transplants for elevating the status of Brooklyn. There are fine dining restaurants now as opposed to laughable red sauce 'Italian' restaurants (I did a semester in Milan and Brooklyn-Italian food is as far from the real thing as can be) that the natives seem to enjoy because they don't know any better.

We brought art, interesting music, fashion, a cool factor, artisinal foodstuffs, cocktail culture, and life to a once lifeless shell of a boro. Instead of thanking us, you lash out. Typical jealousy.

So keep living your Jersey Shore lives and we'll keep moving forward.

Blaine
May 25, 2011, 9:27 am
Lance from Manhattan says:
"a cool factor"... "cocktail culture"... Blaine's post must be satire. Good one, had me going for a minute.
May 25, 2011, 10:19 am
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
You amuse me.......like a clown. There's nothing cool about wearing lensless eyeglass frames, ski caps and scarves in the summer, guys in skinny chick pants or living out of a backpack. Dumpster diving for dicarded clothing doesn't constitute being in the forefront of fashion trends. If that were the case, the average bum is ahead of you in that respect. That was geek when I was a kid and it's still geek today.

Before you ventured from your colorless communities in the Cornbelt, the only Italian food you were familiar with came out of Domino's or the frozen food section of Walmart, packed in aluminum trays.

Rifling trashcans for something to mount on the wall of some hole in the wall passing itself off as a gallery doesn't constitute art. Neither does the crap pasted, painted or posted on factory walls.

One must have talents and abilities that justify the sobriquet "artisan". hipsters do not. You are cultural parasites who create nothing. You claim to have invented something which pre-existed your rudimentary knowledge of whatever it is you intend on recycling. You are all self-made geniuses who worship their creator.

"Cocktail culture"? Where the hell do you think the cocktail was invented, Greenwald, Minnesota?

Remove your head from the fifth point of contact and conduct a reality check.

By the way, it's "borough", not "boro", genius.
May 25, 2011, 10:44 am
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
Of course it's a put on. Cocktail culture for hipsters is swigging down some lame microbrew with some Fruit Loops.
May 25, 2011, 10:47 am
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
"You amuse me.......like a clown."

Wow, you're quoting Goodfellas. How.....typical. What's next: some Tony Manero strutting? Fist Pumping? Some Dice Clay dirty rhymes?

I already mentioned that I spent a semester studying fashion in Milan. Did you miss that?

I'll make it easier for you to undastand: I was ova dere in friggin Italy and they don't have Gala-Mad, Mootz-adell or friggin Alfedo sauce. I wuz like: Oooooooh, wadda youse doin ova here.

There,
Blaine
-President, Vegan nonna formaggi d'Italia
May 25, 2011, 11:07 am
Ramiro from Indio Ca says:
During April we have a Huge Music Festival in my city named Coachella ( known as Hipster mecca)....Megan and Ethan, from " Brooklyn" were staying in my Hotel ( 15 miles from the festival) I offered a daily ride to them, If we share the expenses ( 10 usd daily) ..They rather walk...cause I didnt want to " cut a deal...maaaaaan"

WTF?????

This Blaine remembers me them..So self absorbed in their own reality that makes them unable to feel empathy
May 25, 2011, 12:04 pm
Joe Z. from Greenpoint says:
"Did you miss that?"

Nobody, except you, cares.

That has to be one of the lamest attempts at a guido-speak parody yet. Stick to "Yah, like.....".

Know why hipsters don't do fist pumps? Their emaciated, undernourished physiques aren't equipped to withstand anything more stressful than waving for a cab. Any more than flicking the wrist is considered work; and, hipsters have an aversion to anything remotely resembling gainful employment.

Everyone I've encountered with the name Blaine (male and female) was an effeminate wuss, the males moreso than the females. You seem to fall into that archetype, too. The hipsters' one saving grace is they are genetically programmed against procreation, guaranteeing extinction of the group within one or two generations.
May 25, 2011, 12:39 pm
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Ramiro, those two sound like Old Brooklynites. I would have jumped at the chance to have a chauffer for only $10 and so would everyone I know, including lots of people who went to Coachella.

Joe. Z Buttafuco, why not just enjoy the new culture that's made Brooklyn a place people actually want to come to....on purpose. Stop by Brooklyn Flea, you'll like it. It's not the 18th Ave. Festival, but it's a good thing.
May 25, 2011, 1:46 pm
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
It's 2011 people. Haven't we gotten beyond the need to slaughter precious animals for their flesh? Tofu, seitan (unless you have gluten allergies) or tempeh are delicious and packed with protein.

This chicken slaughterhouse might have been important 80 years ago, but people--especially in Brooklyn, are wising up and going vegan.

Leave the chicken alone and let the tenants get their money's worth.
May 25, 2011, 2:07 pm
bryan from fishtown says:
Hahaha Blaine? Kinda name is that? Sounds like something a socialite would name their hemmheroid.
May 25, 2011, 3:40 pm
bryan from fishtown says:
And seriously, no one is going vegan. No one. The food sucks, you're left wanting real food and end up malnourished. Gluten allergies? Shut the hell up.
May 25, 2011, 3:48 pm
red bowtie from flushtown says:
typical wealthy far leftist agenda pushing catalyst ——: make up stories about how something is affecting health, the environment or the 'communal feelings' of the area to try and eliminate, silence and/or ban something you don't like.
May 25, 2011, 4:02 pm
hunter from prospect park says:
Soy beans have feelings too, you know. Just because you can't hear them cry out in pain, doesn't mean they aren't suffering.
May 25, 2011, 4:12 pm
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Blaine is a very popular boys name. There were three Blaine's in my high school graduating class. Maybe you should get around a bit more.

It takes strength to be gentle and kind. Go vegan. You'll be healthier and improve your karma
May 25, 2011, 4:26 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
"but people--especially in Brooklyn, are wising up and going vegan"

Funny, I've seen the line outside of Peter Lugar's waiting to get in - I've never seen a line at a vegan restaurant.
May 25, 2011, 5:01 pm
Q from Bay Ridge says:
Blaine,

You can keep Williamsburg and you're self righteous, clove smoking, vegan eating, skinny jean/thrift store garbage wearing, artisinal water drinking, 1930's mustache clad, clan of "hipsters". You can keep your "food", "art", "music", politics, ——ing, moaning, general crying, and pouting for not getting you way.

I'm glad to live in a neighborhood where dweebs like you still get dropped for not minding your own business. A blue collar neighborhood filled with civil servants, city and state workers, construction workers, and service industry workers who never avoid the opportunity to laugh at people like you, and who love negative "Yelp" ratings because it further ensures that the businesses will continue to make money from within their neighborhood and keep transient mutants looking for hip places to go, away. A hard working neighborhood filled with the descendants of hard working Norwegian and Irish immigrants. People that had to fight for the money they made and instilled that kind of pride in their children and grandchildren to work for what they want.

Enjoy the smell of the 80 year old slaughterhouse you overpaid to move next to, and I'll continue to enjoy my neighborhood.
May 25, 2011, 6:23 pm
Q from Bay Ridge says:
Or from Yellow Hook,

I've never seen a vegan resataurant hahaha don't they just eat leaves, bugs, and flowers in McCarrin Park?
May 25, 2011, 7:07 pm
kev says:
i think blaine is a phantom commenter to winde people up and its working pretty wel, lol
May 25, 2011, 10:39 pm
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Q from Bay Ridge,

Once we're on our second child, your Bay Ridge and your beautiful view will be OURS. The first pioneers have already arrived, the wave is coming. We'll replace your restaurants, make your bars cooler etc.

Century 21 can stay.
May 26, 2011, 7:41 am
common sense from bay ridge says:
Blaine seems to be a bit of a megalomaniac for a WUM. You are only one person (I think), what's with the "we" and "our".

BTW, you are late to the party. There have been hipsters, hippies, and other assorted freaks living in Bay Ridge forever. Get over yourself.
May 26, 2011, 8:23 am
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
What you think are 'hipsters' in Bay Ridge now are just a bunch of squares. In 10 years Bay Ridge will be classed up. No more big hair, nail and tanning salons on every block. The residents who stay behind (if they can afford it) will thank people like me for making their neighborhood nice by our presence and civic mindedness.

There is so much potential in Bay Ridge, like a small town in a big city. This will appeal to the people you deride.

Brooklyn has changed. Get with it or get left behind.
May 26, 2011, 8:29 am
common sense from bay ridge says:
It's hard to gentrify a neighborhood that already has plenty of $$$. In 10 years you will be ducking gunfire in East New York.
May 26, 2011, 9:02 am
Common Sense from Dupoint Circle says:
typical hipsters with an over inflated sense of entitlement.
May 26, 2011, 9:04 am
mary from greenpoint says:
of course this becomes a conversation about 'stupid' hipsters. geez no wonder greenpoint never gets anywhere.
the issue - regardless of who lives near it (rich poor hipster or Pole) - is that greenpoint needs to take a stand and decide that they are residential only. we need to move businesses that are dangerous away from where people live. I get that they've been there for 83 years but that neighborhood isn't the same as it was 83 years ago and no one - regardless of if they live in an expensive condo or a RR apartment across the street wants to live with the smell and a business thats out of place now.
May 26, 2011, 10:14 am
HS from Manhattan says:
Serves the nearby tenants right for not having parents rich enough to afford to pay the rent in the Village.
May 26, 2011, 10:48 am
Blaine from New Brooklyn says:
Mary from Greenpoint bringing the common sense to this mess.

Bay Ridge can certainly be gentrified. It's full of old people and people with city jobs. Jack the prices up and they'll move to Staten Island or some other awful place like that. Bay Ridge is a little too Hoboken for my tastes, but I hear that it's getting better. It is beautiful and has potential. Lots of green space, good schools, a skatepark and parts of it are like a real life Epcot center with the diverse varieties of Middle Easterm, Greek and Chinese food.
May 26, 2011, 11:17 am
bryan from fishtown says:
I think its obvious Blaine is just trying to be irritating. But while he's joking, its really typical entitled child mentality that personified the helicopters parents and there useless adult kids.
May 26, 2011, 1:35 pm
Q from Bay Ridge says:
No hipster bars, no hipster restaurants, no moronic bike lanes (shockingly no "ghost bikes" either due to everyone here knowing how to ride a bike and avoid traffic), no yellow cabs, no artisinal new age BS, no craft beer breweries, and plenty of ethnicity as far as restaurants go, feel free to help yourself to some food poisoning in most of the Middle Eastern and Chinese places.

Freaks? Plenty of those, but, "common sense from bay ridge", I've been here my entire life, and the only hippies tend to be the dead heads in their 50's and 60's, and hipsters, if there are any actually living here instead of patrolling in search of a new neighborhood, are rarely seen, if ever. That's not to say that I haven't been witness, and a willing participant, to pointing and laughing, and generally abusing the occasional beta male/female hipster out of a bar.

Not exactly sure what came across as cocky, not sure what there is about myself to get over, but you can feel free to move to Williamsburg with Blaine, or at least have a triple half caf mocha kenya french press soy foam mochaccino and look around to see first hand exactly what a hipster hippy freak looks like. hahaha

Also, with the R train being too far and too slow a commute to the city, no free bridges, and the property values already high, I feel secure in the fact that it will never become a "trendy nabe", and that should come as a relief to you too "common sense".
May 26, 2011, 3:35 pm
Q from Bay Ridge says:
As far as the chicken slaughterhouse is concerned, the only relevance that it's 80 yr history has in this story is that it's been there and in existence the entire time the owners of the neighboring building decided to convert it into condos. The story should focus more on the real estate agent who sold it, the zoning regulations, and the sucker that paid for it. Those, in my opinion, should be the main characters in this story. Instead the article makes the slaughter house out to be the bad guy. They've done nothing wrong by maintaining their business despite the gentrification around them. Maybe they're waiting for the right offer to leave. Maybe they are comfortable with where they have been for nearly a century. Why should they/would they allow themselves to be run out of town? Their business doesn't depend on the residents of the neighborhood, so why would they care? Leave out of the kindness of their hearts? Not likely. Whether it stays or goes matters not to me, all I know is that if I were looking for a place to live, and there was a slaughter house of any kind, or any form of disturbance, be it a restaurant/bar/subway/bus stop etc., that I couldn't possibly envision living with at that specific moment in time, I would pass on the place no matter what the realtor tried telling me... unless of course it were a purchase made for investment purposes instead of living purposes.

But this article is why the hipster comments came up in the first place. Attacking the wrong person because of the tenants gullability, because it's everyone elses fault that life didn't end up being perfect. It borders on a sympathy piece, but there is no sympathy to be had. Sure, we'd all love to get a place cheap, and sell high when everything around the property catches up, but it is what it is, and hopefully they learned a lesson. Just because an apartment is for rent/condo for sale, and the price is right, doesn't mean that the place is right for you. Try finding a place that you like as is, a place where you can accept the things around you, and move in, as opposed to moving in, and trying to change everything around you that you don't like because you cry loud enough.
May 26, 2011, 4:18 pm
Matthew from Greenpoint Avenue says:
mary from greenpoint says:
of course this becomes a conversation about 'stupid' hipsters. geez no wonder greenpoint never gets anywhere.

Amen. And I wonder if Joe Z realizes how much of a complete hipster douchebag he sounds like for praising the aesthetic value of a slaughterhouse. Joe Z, I think you are secretly a tight jean wearing, poorly endowed, greasy-haired, bisexual vegan:

"Personally, I prefer the blight within the neighborhood because of its homegrown and historical association with the area."

Like most of my friends, I am a newcomer to Greenpoint. It's true, I don't have much in common with my neighbors, but neither did their parents or grandparents when they moved here. I don't pretend to, either, but I do respect them. I also understand why locals would feel insulted when certain newcomers claim to be "rejuvenating" what was and still is a solid, middle class neighborhood.

Yes, Mary, the real issue is whether or not this place belongs here at all, and getting sidetracked on gentrification and hipsters simply isn't productive. My guess is there have been middle to upper middle class residents of this neighborhood who have wanted this place out for a long time (the owners of multi-million dollar brownstones behind the death factory on Milton Street spring to mind). I've researched this, and the only reason they are still in operation is a 1960s zoning loophole - almost everything else went residential.

The simple fact is that a slaughterhouse is out of place here. This is a large-scale operation that does not belong in a dense, residential neighborhood, much less a LANDMARKED one. That's right, a slaughterhouse supposedly has to comply with landmarks regulations. I suspect that's why they had to repaint the exterior such a snappy monochromatic firehouse red. I mean, really? That's almost a more absurd juxtaposition than the condos next door.
May 26, 2011, 5:05 pm
common sense from bay ridge says:
@q: The get over yourself was for "Blaine", no need to get worked up there.
May 26, 2011, 5:23 pm
Q from Bay Ridge says:
Oh, gotcha.
May 26, 2011, 5:56 pm
native from greenpointer says:
wydostać się z brooklyn świń hipster
May 26, 2011, 7:39 pm
ms nomer from greenpoint says:
Matthew, the historic area in Greenpoint that you are talking about ends at Milton Street, one block over; it doesn't extend to Greenpoint Avenue so your entire line of reasoning about compliance is moot. Believe me, if the historic area extended to Greenpoint Avenue, no one would just be able to "repaint the exterior..." as you noted. And Matthew, Greenpoint is ALL ABOUT "juxtaposition" - I suspect that's what attracted you to it in the first place.

I'd also say that while this business seems undesirable/unappealing to some, it doesn't seem to be "dangerous" as Mary From Greenpoint says here. Far more "dangerous" are the various plastics and other industrial plants; the oil spill; and the plume under Meeker Avenue. Not to mention the particulates from numerous big rig trucks that we're all breathing. I can't hang my laundry to dry outside on the clothesline, it comes back in dirty! Our air and soil are toxic and that has nothing to do with a slaughterhouse. Just follow the cancer clusters. In terms of our health and safety I'd put the slaughterhouse lower on a list of priorities than you might.

Last, Q From Bay Ridge is right: This article seems to be slanted as a sympathy piece but it's very hard to sympathize with someone who can't read a large, prominent sign, takes the word of a realtor as gospel, and demands that because he didn't realize the reality of the situation, or was lied to, the entire world has to change. That's called entitlement and that's what is pissing off this guy's more long-term neighbors.
May 26, 2011, 8:55 pm
A girl on a stoop from Greenpoint says:
Lol... Just sitting on my stoop reading this..lol..

The bells at St Anthony's just rang... Hmm I wonder if this bothers the new gentrified community we have..
May 26, 2011, 9:05 pm
Matthew from Greenpoint says:
Misnomer,

Uh, then please explain to me why I see a big, brown Landmarks Preservation Commission signpost on either side Greenpoint Avenue between Manhattan and Franklin, every time I walk it? And please consult this map: http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/maps/greenpoint.pdf. The condo building (118) is landmarked, and it appears several others are. Regardless of whether individual buildings have landmark status, though, all buildings within those boundaries must comply with the aesthetic regulations and height restrictions.

I'm all for diversity and juxtaposition, but these blocks are 90% residential, and large slaughterhouses don't belong in residential neighborhoods. And again, ask any of the families who have been living here for decades on Milton Street or Greenpoint Avenue if they think it's kind of cool or quirky that they have this stinking hothouse on their block. You're seriously cracking me up.

I also believe it has been well explained that this issue doesn't only concern the owners and tenants of the condominium or whether the buildings are landmarked. This is a major operation - thousands of animals per day - and it's not the right place for it. And I don't give a flick who got here first! There is no rule of seniority here, and even if there were, why would you want it to apply to a slaughterhouse? Do you think they care about this neighborhood or the people who live in it? No, they do not. In fact, it took a lot of people complaining incessantly to 311 about their discarded gizzards and beaks for these guys to clean up their act to a (barely, and only sometimes) legal standard.

The fact remains that there are hundreds of people living on these blocks who shouldn't be subjected to this. due to some zoning oversight and a bunch of inept city officials.
May 26, 2011, 11:08 pm
Joebkny from Hipster free zone says:
Sorry blaine, Bay ridge is not for you. too many hard Italians living there still that will break your lanky ass in two if you look at them wrong.
May 27, 2011, 3:20 am
ms nomer from greenpoint says:
Matthew, YOU are cracking me up with your lack of subtlely and nuance. I'll put it more simply so you can get it this time.

What we are complaining about isn't the slaughterhouse issue, which indeed many native and longtime residents are exasperated by. What we are complaining about is one idiot who feels entitled to have something changed because he missed something that should have been obvious, and the article implies that we're supposed to feel sympathetic towards that one individual. Several other commenters have tried to make this point, which you've clearly missed. It seems like you're agreeing with the message, just not the messenger(s).

I totally agree that you're cracked. And it's "Ms." to you, Matthew.
May 27, 2011, 9:31 am
ms nomer from greenpoint says:
Matthew, there's also a significant difference between a landmark designation and a historic area designation. The Greenpoint Historic District is the latter. And compliance is clearly not enforced on the commercial streets, especially Manhattan Avenue and Greenpoint Avenue.
May 27, 2011, 9:33 am
enough from talk of physical violence says:
Dear Joe,

I wouldn't worry about the young, creative class that constitutes an enormous portion of your local economy from crowding in on Bay Ridgers' coveted, nine-hour commute into the city anytime soon. Some of them could get there from their parents' houses in the suburbs faster. But If it does happen, be aware we aren't all from Middle America - some of us are very well connected here. So before any meathead runs out of mama's house to assault someone they don't like because they're educated, have a little money and are 'lanky' they should ask themselves if they feel lucky, because it's nothing their adolescent pals at the local precinct can help them out of.

No one owns a neighborhood. Perhaps these die hard 'natives' should read up on their city's history. Wait, who's entitled? Joe #1, I think it's you!

You know what? I say the young people who have been moving here for generations finally abandon this trash heap of a city. The locals have never quite lived up to their end of the bargain, anyway. Like, we give you our dough, you give us a subway system on par with other world cities'. Largely, this place runs like the second class burg it would be without us.
May 27, 2011, 9:38 am
mike from greenpoint says:
Matthew, a lot of Greenpointers inherited their childhood homes when their parents passed. Their parents often inherited them from their own parents. Milton Street homeowners may be sitting on "multimillion dollar" homes, but that doesn't necessarily make them rich or privileged. Most people here have set their attention to immediate health threats like cleaning up Newtown Creek and fighting the incinerator. There's a lot of problems here that need attention.

You moved here, so that hopefully means you like it here. If you want to become part of this community, attend some meetings and get to know your neighbors and their concerns. It's the only way they'll listen to yours.
May 27, 2011, 10:51 am
Matthew from Greenpoint says:
Misnomer,

You're right, there is a difference between a Landmarks designation and an Historic District, but even on commercial streets within those districts there are height restrictions and aesthetic guidelines which are implemented. Why do you think there is no vinyl siding on Franklin Street or Manhattan Avenue on their historic sides? And why do you suppose the developer of the condo decided to maintain the building and its facade rather than knock it out and throw up another glass and cardboard box? Trust me, it isn't because it's cheaper. There are also buildings on Greenpoint Avenue which have complied, applied and received Landmark status, including the condo itself.

I don't sympathize with this guy or the developer, but who knows? Perhaps these people will use their connections and complain loudly enough to finally do what I imagine 90% of the people living here have wanted to do for decades.

Mike, will do -- thanks for suggesting this. I've actually been meaning to go for a while.
May 27, 2011, 11:41 am
Andrew Rodgers from Greenpoint says:
For those who care to note. I am decidedly not a hipster. In fact I'm whatever the anthesis of that unfortunate moniker is. Truth be told - I'd like to team up with New Lee's and turn it into a Hipster Slaughterhouse with me as head chopper!

By the way. Stop by for some great deals on all my stuff!

Cheers,
Andrew
May 27, 2011, 5:31 pm
Steve from Greenpoint says:
I pity those of you who embrace filth, as if it was a just an occassional loud noise, ugly site or worst yet a cutural icon from the past to support over positive change for the better. It doesn't really matter if you live near the chickens or not, no one in the universe should embrace a nasty business in the middle of 1000's of residents in any city ...even Brooklyn.

Regardless who lives here, moves here or is born here, we're all here because of the good things the city has to offer. Not because of an old nasty chicken house full of filth and diseases. Slaughtered chicken is the most contaminated meat on the market and is why it has to be handled carefully, all surfaces extensively cleaned and cooked well done. How can anyone be proud of a place like this in the center of 1000's of residents and restaurants.

Why not just ignor the place and for god's sake quit supporting it.

As Greenpoint evolves with a new park, restaurants and even condo's for outsiders, the nasty place and people have to go or else slow down progress to a better Greenpoint.

Nasty places like the slaughter house are bad for the city and bad for everyone living in Greenpoint, bad for the future of Greenpoint including the condo owners who were lied to when they decided to move here.
May 28, 2011, 7:37 am
T-Ster says:
They bring bedbugs...but complain about a chicken house.

I don't get it!
May 31, 2011, 10:02 am
Tara Snow from Medina says:
You know sometimes when I've been wronged by a company and I feel like no matter what I say to them they aren't going to fix my problem, I really want to vent, so I get on the internet (on my ipad or android usually) and vent.
Aug. 8, 2011, 7:24 pm
nick_nyc from Columbia St says:
What if you regularly find chicken heads, feathers, blood, and guts all over the sidewalk?

http://s1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/NICK_NYC/

this is a serious health hazard, especially since many of the neighboring apartment houses are home to a lot of very young children who have to walk around this in the morning on the way to school or day care. Or walk in the street when the trucks block the sidewalk ever morning to unload the live chickens.
Jan. 23, 2012, 9:44 am

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