Ridgites show they give a ‘rat’s ass’ about gay marriage

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Dozens of gay marriage supporters rallied on Monday at the Bay Ridge office of state Sen. Marty Golden, slamming the Republican lawmaker for dismissively saying that Brooklynites “don’t give a rat’s ass” about the issue yet then introducing a bill last month indicating just the opposite.

The “rat’s ass” comment was frequently referenced during the early evening rally on Fifth Avenue, with more than 100 protesters, some toting signs featuring rodent derrieres, complaining of Golden’s apparent hypocrisy.

“I’m disappointed in Marty,” said Allison Robicelli, the local cupcake legend who also brought her son to the event. “When I see somebody that I voted for do such a despicable action, I feel personally violated.”

The “violation” stems from Golden believing that his constituents don’t care about marriage rights yet at the same time caring so much about the issue to propose his own “Defense of Marriage” bill.

“It is rather ironic,” said Matt McMorrow, co-president of the Lambda Independent Democrats who helped organize the rally. “If nobody cares, then why lift a finger to discriminate against an entire class of people? If the people don’t really vote on those issues, then why bother?”

A handful of local politicians joined in the fray. Councilman Brad Lander (D–Park Slope) was the only elected public official on hand, a rare bit of “in your face” politicking. Rising Democratic Party official Lincoln Restler was also on hand, saying that he was appalled that Golden would effectively make married gay New Yorkers unmarried again.

“Marty Golden must have Southern Brooklyn confused with the Deep South,” Restler said. “It’s breathtaking that he would have the chutzpah to foster such mean-spirited, hateful and bigoted legislation as he did last month.”

Even after the protest right outside his door, Golden didn’t budge.

“Sen. Golden has a long-standing principled position on the issue and remains opposed to the legalization of gay marriage in New York state,” said spokesman John Quaglione.

Activists said they intend to highlight Golden’s position during his 2012 re-election campaign.

“We cannot tolerate such an elected official in Brooklyn today,” Restler said. “We must give him the fight of his life next year.”

Updated 5:24 pm, July 9, 2018: Includes an important reference to Brad Lander.
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Janet from Bay Ridge says:
I missed this protest, but am glad to see the fellow Bay Ridgers care about human rights. It might Be wise for Mr. Golden to think before he speaks, and to avoid making such contentious statements.
June 8, 2011, 6:17 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
There is no law against gay marriage.

If there were, Liza Minelli would never have married.

Gov. Jim McGreevey of NJ proved there is no law against gay marriage twice.

There is a law against same sex marriage. Put it to popular vote. It will stand or fall by the will of the majority, not the pandering politicians.
June 8, 2011, 9:15 am
straight from Bushwick says:
Put it to a popular vote? Why, so the anti-gay side can fill the airwaves with lies and fear mongering over "the children"?

No one has ever shown any harm to anyone. This should be a free country where two people can find some happiness. Why should we stand in the way of that?

They're not taking away your marriage, they just want to join the institution of marriage!
June 8, 2011, 9:30 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Straight -

The politicians know better?

Then the people serve the law, not the law serves the people.

God save the king.
June 8, 2011, 9:57 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Straight -

The politicians know better?

Then the people serve the law, not the law serves the people.

God save the king.
June 8, 2011, 9:57 am
Tim says:
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’
June 8, 2011, 10:06 am
Adam from Brooklyn Heights says:
Or from Yellow Hook: New York State does not have a referendum process, so your argument is moot. Regardless, why is it that the matter of civil rights for gay people is uniquely unsuited for a vote by our elected representatives?
June 8, 2011, 10:25 am
Kern says:
I would like to thank the Bay Ridge Democrats, the Central Brooklyn Independent Democrats, Lambda Independent Democrats and the New Kings Democrats for putting this rally together and showing that Bay Ridge truly cares! Senator Golden is an embarrassment.
June 8, 2011, 10:38 am
Felix from Midwood says:
It's good to know, Joanne Seminara used her position to put over her extreme politics over the communities interests.

Last I checked potholes, and crime, were issues, Community Board 10 takes up not, bills in the state senate.

It's also good to know Northern Brooklyn's, Lincoln Restler got a soundbite about Gay Marriage and his views which aren't exactly shared by the rest of us in Southern Brooklyn.

I wonder if he will tell those of us in Midwood, Marine Park, Gerritsen Beach, and Boro Park who do give a rat's ass about keeping marriage between a man and a woman.
June 8, 2011, 12:31 pm
Justin from Bay Ridge says:
I would like to thank Joanne Seminara, Scott Klein, Brian Kieran, and Justin Brannan for continuing to make fools of themselves, and exposing there extreme views which aren't exactly shared by those they represent on Community Board 10.

Can Joanne Seminara answer us if she supports the Virgin Mary being strapped with a bomb, cuss words openly used, sharp objects being used with deviant intent, and two males acting in a lewd gesture, such as her political ally, Justin Brannan has done on his time...

This will be made an issue, like it or not.
June 8, 2011, 12:34 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
"New York State does not have a referendum process, so your argument is moot. "

Just the point.

And community board 10 needs to deal with the things that are their business.

This is not one of those things.
June 8, 2011, 2:09 pm
Brian from 11209 says:
I agree.
June 8, 2011, 3:44 pm
tupelo35 from windsor terrace says:
not too long ago i was invited to a same sex wedding shower and had a helluva time trying to find a His and His towel set.
June 8, 2011, 3:58 pm
Richard Grayson from Williamsburg says:
Sen. Golden has summer concerts in Marine Park (which I have attended -- I grew up nearby and lived there as an adult) and other parks in his district during July and August. It would be a good idea for people to show up and respectfully show their support for gay marriage and opposition to the Senator's bigotry.

I can remember calling our local city council members during the 1970s trying to get them to support an anti-discrimination bill to protect gay people. It failed year after year until it finally passed, and of course now, for decades, nobody thinks protecting people from discrimination in employment or public accommodations is remarkable. Indeed, people look back and wonder how it was once acceptable to fire people based on their sexual orientation.

So it will be with same-sex marriage. On this issue, as he is on most, Senator Golden is on the wrong side of history. Eventually he will be out of office, just like the anti-gay Brooklyn city council members from the 1970s that nobody remembers anymore.
June 8, 2011, 4:49 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I am so tired with the movement against same sex marriage. Approving it will not mean the end of the world. They are not asking for special benefits of being a couple, they are asking for the same benefits as if they were a straight couple. Why should they be treated as second class citizens anyway? Several other states have approved same sex marriage and it wasn't the end of the world for them. All I have heard from those who oppose it are nothing but being against religious practices when in fact those in such institutions will not be forced to perform the marriage when it will be mostly done by the state.
June 8, 2011, 10:02 pm
Righteous Republican from Bay Ridge says:
In spite of State Senator Golden's last minute intemperate rants, Same Sex Marriage will pass in New York State with the necessary support of some members of Golden's Republican caucus. His antics only made the process uglier. Never forget, "....We need more Jewish." – An MG Classic (Not from Morris Garage)
June 8, 2011, 11:07 pm
Tompkins from Bay Ridge says:
My company will save thousands of dollars per year if we have gay marriage.

At the moment they offer benifts to married couples, and couples straight and gay, since gay people can not marry, just to be fair.

Once gay marriage is legal, we can drop the coverage for unmarried couples of both kinds - there will be no reason to cover them - they have no reason not to get married.
June 9, 2011, 7:51 am
Enlightened Republican says:
Many of my fellow conservatives have an almost knee-jerk hostility toward gay marriage. This does not make sense, because same-sex unions promote the values conservatives prize. Marriage is one of the basic building blocks of our neighborhoods and our nation. At its best, it is a stable bond between two individuals who work to create a loving household and a social and economic partnership. We encourage couples to marry because the commitments they make to one another provide benefits not only to themselves but also to their families and communities. Marriage requires thinking beyond one's own needs. It transforms two individuals into a union based on shared aspirations, and in doing so establishes a formal investment in the well-being of society. The fact that individuals who happen to be gay want to share in this vital social institution is evidence that conservative ideals enjoy widespread acceptance. Conservatives should celebrate this, rather than lament it.

Legalizing same-sex marriage would also be a recognition of basic American principles, and would represent the culmination of our nation's commitment to equal rights. It is, some have said, the last major civil-rights milestone yet to be surpassed in our two-century struggle to attain the goals we set for this nation at its formation.
June 9, 2011, 10:10 am
Dax says:
I hope everyone truly realizes what an enormous moment this truly was for Bay Ridge.

In 1986, which seems like a long time ago, but really wasn't, the New York City Council introduced a gay rights bill. The bill seems rather tame now but was very controversial at the time. The provisions forbade discrimination against gays and lesbians in the workplace and in housing.

Many people in Bay Ridge hated the idea that they would now have to rent to a gay person unless they had good reason not to. The Conservative Party and the Catholic Church organized demonstrations throughout the neighborhood.

At the time, Bay Ridge was represented in the Council by Sal Albanese. Sal was a progressive Democrat who got away with his maverick stances mostly because he fit the demographic of the district and always had a crackerjack staff. There was no question, Sal was going to do the right thing and vote "yes" on the measure.

As a result, scores of people protested in front of his office, at his home, and made threatening phone calls to his family. None of this deterred Sal.

In the end, the Council passed the bill, but there were 14 no votes! Think about that: in what most people think of as the most liberal city in the country 14 districts said no to basic rights.

Today, the idea of discrimination against gays at work or in housing seems absurd. Tomorrow a ban on same-sex marriage will seem absurd as well.
June 9, 2011, 12:26 pm
James from 11230 says:
I hate to bring up to the political stooges who were at this rally, but the majority of this district opposes ending the traiditon of a marriage between a man and a woman.

However, I would love to see some of these stooges go into Marine Park, Midwood, and Boro Park and talk about there crazy views.

They might not get the same reaction they got from this liberal rag.
June 9, 2011, 1:15 pm
Conservative Democrat says:
Can the gay marriage supporters just answer a simple question if they support strapping a bomb on the Virgin Mary, like Justin Brannan does?

That's not really going to help you lobbying the Catholic community.

Just saying...
June 9, 2011, 1:18 pm
A Real Righteous Republican from Colonial Gardens says:
James McCall should really get a life, it's sad a one time wannabe judge is left with posting on blogs, attacking actual Republicans.

I thought he was a real conservative Republican?

Oh that's right he tried the Lambada, and got caught with two left feet, with the bad hat in hand.
June 9, 2011, 1:21 pm
Steve from Bay Ridge says:
I am glad we have somebody who shares our values of marriage being a man and a woman.

In Park Slope that may not be normal, but here in Southern Brooklyn, it takes a family, not a family of Adam and Steve.

By the way what's Vinny Gentile say on this, he has been awful quiet on this hasn't he...

I am sure community board, I mean politcal board 10 would love to know.
June 9, 2011, 1:30 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
To those of you who oppose same sex marriage so much need to keep in mind that we do not live in a theocracy, we live in a democracy. Also, for a marriage to be official, it needs to approved by a marrying judge, plus the venue of a wedding doesn't even need to be held in a religious institution. Again, they will not be forced to do the marriages, so they don't need to worry about this at all. Civil unions are nothing but a bait and switch. Nobody is telling anyone who is against them to support them, just accept and recognize them.
June 9, 2011, 4:26 pm
Real Conservative Republican from Brooklyn says:
If the Republican majority in the New York State Senate with the help of several socially conservative Democratic members can't stop the Gay Marriage Bill, why do we need them there?

Golden's proposal to not recognize a single class of out of state marriages is a massive distraction from the main issue. It’s going nowhere; and it’s the stunt of a tin pot demagogue desperately trying to shore up his shrinking base.
June 10, 2011, 7:22 am
Steve says:
June 10, 2011, 9:44 am
Michael from Bay Ridge says:
America is not a democracy; never has been. If it was, every minority (gays, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, children, et al.) would be at the mercy of the majority. Every bill to change a law (whether to let gays marry, let blacks interview for white jobs, to allow Hispanics to buy houses outside the Barrio, to give women the right to vote, prevent underage kids from working in mines and sweatshops, etc.) would be defeated by the majority (until very recently: white, heterosexual men).

For example, in every state where same-sex marriage was put to a democractic vote (aka a referendum), it's been voted down...twice in progressive California.
June 10, 2011, 12:54 pm
Jaded from BR says:
So Joanne S is not allowed to participate in anything other that CB10 activities? and this Justin guy possibly offended the 250 Catholics left in Bay Ridge years ago? I'm pretty sure I don't give a rat's ass about that.
June 10, 2011, 3:02 pm
Real Libertarian Republican from Dyker Heights says:
Justin Brannan asked if I and a few similarly minded Brooklyn GOP activists could attend the rally outside Golden's District Office. We couldn't get away from work to give the anti-Golden rally a more bi-partisan look.

We still support the effort.

The anti-Virgin Mary stuff is getting very tired; and it's been mostly Golden's supporters who have published the lady with bomb belt picture for over a year now.

Like Indiana Jones said about the Nazis,
"I really hate these guys!" Only I'm referring to Golden's homophobic closet queens; we all know who they are too.

June 10, 2011, 5:50 pm
A Real Republican from Dyker Heights says:
Justin Brannan asked a few similarly minded CB 10 and fake Republicans, like James McCall you know the guy who owes his political life to Ralph Perfetto, as Perfetto and Seminara did after all endorse his losing campaign to be a judge to attend the rally outside Golden's District Office with some signs persumably to blow up the Virgin Mary.

While McCall fully supports the effort, remember his own priest even condemened his efforts of anti-religous views in his own right.

Since this actual Libertarian Republican, doesn't support blowing up the Virgin Mary, or posting weird pictures with blood on our hands, we gladly passed.

We oppose any efforts such as these.

The anti-Virgin Mary stuff is really getting to Justin and James I see; and it's been mostly James McCall who has been defending really liberal Democrats, like Joanne Seminara, Ralph Perfetto, and Justin Brannan.

Maybe he's trying to get an appointment to CB 10, that would cut into his blogging time though.

Like Indiana Jones said about the Nazis,
"I really hate these guys!"

Only I'm referring to CB 10's very extreme board members; we all know who they are too.

Hint: "Anti Virgin-Mary".
June 10, 2011, 9:41 pm
James from Colonial Gardens says:
By the way Seminara should decide if she wants to be a CB 10 chairwoman or lobby, collect cash to put members on the board, and join her political club.

Did I miss anything...
June 10, 2011, 9:41 pm
Andrew from 11209 says:
Is Justin really trying to attack Catholics again?

Not a smart move on his part, must be all that time sitting on the blogs and eating a lot.

You think he'd learn the first time, but there will be more coming out on him very soon, I can assure you.

Speaking of pathetic.

It's sad Joanne is trying to compromise our community by promoting her extremist views over what the board should be all about is focusing on crime and potholes, not global warming, bills in the state legislature, or the issue of marriage.

She sure has been quiet on all those board members getting kicked off for the political stooges she helped get on though, hasn't she...

It's her fault, her fault, the board has turned into the barnum and bailey circus with the three stooges, the park slope realtor, the stuttering political hack, and the anti-Virgin Mary who likes to quench razors and post obscene pictures.

As a Democrat saying this, Joanne should do us all a favor and resign from CB 10, you are embarrassing us all.
June 10, 2011, 9:47 pm
Kris from Bensonhurst says:
I feel bad for James McCall he's left with attacking Republicans, on behalf of some real extreme Democrats who's views aren't exactly supported in places like Gerritsen Beach, Dyker Heights, Boro Park, and most of this district.

Than again there is no base for wanting to blow up the Virgin Mary, attacking your Priest in McCall's case, taking cold cash from donors who you lobby for in Joanne's part, or pretending to be a lawyer for Cousin Tony, like Ralphie boy.
June 10, 2011, 9:51 pm
Charles from Bay Ridge says:
As a proud Democrat I agree well said.

What an embrrassment our community board and party has become, and it's all the fault of these very wacky democrats, with the help of there blogger of a RINO soon to be FOSSIL.
June 10, 2011, 9:53 pm
Very Manly Craig from HVT near MG's house says:
A certain state senator's closet queen amen corner wishes they could come out of their closet and legally marry somebody that really used to run CB 10 in a very manly fashion .... Really, you know who the biggest lug in that bunch is: posting and reposting and reposting pictures of ladies strapped to bombs, just to impress you; really it's almost as "PATHETIC" as both of you coming from SHB, with you still having to go to work on SHBR while gets to work for a Manhattan firm. Are his pockets as deep as yours.... we doubt it.
June 10, 2011, 10:03 pm
Indiana Jones' Hat from Almost on Shore Road says:
When did YKW defend Justin and Joanne;
btw, ask Justin if he ever asked YKW to demonstrate outside Golden's Office, I'll bet my hat that Justin says no; btw, when did YKW last talk to either Justin or Joanne or Ralph or Kevin Peter? YKW said "Hi!" to Republicans CE, CA, JH, JJJ, GO'B, LRP and AF much more recently than any of those Democrats.

What real Republicans did JMC attack; and what for? We'll really get into that soon enough all around "the district" [whatever that is] once we learn its new boundaries [whatever they might be].

Precisely what anti-religious effort does JMC support; and exactly what priest "of his" did he attack; this wouldn't be about the Craig Eaton -- Republican flyer flap at St Anselm's, would it?

Indiana Jones' Hat says, "Come on folks let's have some sordid details; or are MG's CQAC or HCQ [especially including CE and GB] really '... all hat and no cattle' ...?"
June 10, 2011, 11:40 pm
The Head Under Indiana Jones' Hat from Almost Narrows Avenue says:
Poor James McCall even on defense he sounds pathetic.

Is it me or is he admitting to speaking with homophobe Joseph Hayon...

That's not going to help him with Justin, Joanne, or Ralph, wink, wink...

Maybe somebody should ask Father G about JPM, especially when JPM attacked that charity flyer, how sad.
June 11, 2011, 6:58 am
Very Unmanly James from Almost Narrows Avenue says:
Isn't James McCall the same guy who begged for the drag queens endorsement a few years back, with his queens, Ralph, and Joanne driving the car?

Those drag queens still wouldn't give him there endorsement...

You know that lug begged for every drag queen, and every liberal's endorsement and still couldn't get elected judge.

What's really sad is this poor soul posts regularly on his cushy job, from us all the tax-payer, while reposting after reposting the same anti-Republican, pro-Democrat posts, while we tax-payers get taken for a ride from his antics.

Just pathetic, not as pathetic as trying for the drag queen vote in Boro Park.
June 11, 2011, 7:02 am
James from Near JSL's House says:
June 11, 2011, 7:03 am
Social Values Conservative from Neither Here Nor There says:
I hate to bring this up to the political stooges who were at the Anti-Golden Rally, but the majority of this community are Golden's people. They also oppose ending the good old traditions like bullying in schools and other forms of social enforcement of good social conservative values.

I would love to see some of these liberal stooges go into Gerritsen Beach or even some bars in Bay Ridge and talk about their crazy views against bullying. They might not get the same reaction there that they got from this liberal rag.

I'm sure Golden will soon want to to try to roll back the clock on drinking and driving, or our personal favorite wife-beating.

Ah, the good old days...the good old days.
June 11, 2011, 9:01 am
Catechetical Teacher from Somewhere, Out There says:
"The Head Under Indiana Jones' Hat from Almost Narrows Avenue" should read the current "Catechism of the Catholic Church", Sections 2284 through 2287 also Sections 2476 through 2487.

Do we really want to keep doing this?

Nicky Mars won't like it... Father G won't like it either.
June 11, 2011, 9:27 am
Real Teacher from Somewhere, Out There says:
"The Indiana Jones' Hat from Almost Shore Road" should read the current "Catechism of the Catholic Church", Sections 2280 through 2283 also Sections 2462 through 2475.

Do you we really want to keep doing this?

Father G doesn't like you anyway, than again so does any real catholics.
June 11, 2011, 9:51 am
CTFSOTS from SOT says:
Real teacher,

I'll check that out later...

btw, I said, "He won't like IT" ... e.g., the "Philadelphia Story" (not Cary Grant and Kate).

Also, "...than again so does any real catholics." ????? (Maybe not so "Real Teacher")
June 11, 2011, 10:18 am
DUGTPUT from SPS says:
That last post made no sense at all.
June 11, 2011, 10:35 pm
Muniagurria Semiotico de Saussure from Mu Group, Brooklyn says:
The most interesting thing that State Senator Golden said in this whole debate was, "...we need more Jewish."

The use of such tortured syntax is a powerful and moving symbol. One wouldn't have thought Mr. Golden would be capable of so comfortably handling such rhetorical subtlety.
June 12, 2011, 2:28 pm
Republican State Senate Watcher from Breezy in the Summer says:
Today's NY Post reported that up to seven (7) GOP State Senators might be willing to vote for the Gay Marriage Bill.

Why aren't Golden and the Republican and Conservative leaders doing a better job on their own side of the aisle keeping their troops in line?
June 13, 2011, 8:52 pm
Republican State Senate Watcher from Saratoga Springs in August says:
Republican State Senators Roy J. McDonald and James S. Alesi have announced that they will be voting for the Gay Marriage Bill in the New York State Senate. The bill now has 31 committed votes. There are still some GOPers still on the fence, but this is a done deal.

Weakness, weakness, weakness!!!!!

Two weeks ago State Senator Golden said this bill would pass, and that is what would best for him right now. Golden needs this issue to go away very, very fast.
June 14, 2011, 10:30 pm
Bee Gees Mining Disaster of 1943 from Somewhere Underground says:
...Don't go talking too loud you'll cause a landslide...

Quick, send the mind rescue squad to Albany, State Senator Martin J. Golden has been trapped underground in a massive Republican cave-in.
June 20, 2011, 7:33 pm
Barry G from 1943 Down Under says:
"I keep straining my ears to hear a sound.
Maybe someone is digging underground,
or have they given up and all gone home to bed,
thinking those who once existed must be dead."

Losing his mind trapped in the mine, State Senator Golden has been very quiet since several GOP senators caved-in on the "Marriage Equality Act"; late yesterday, the State Senate Rules Committee passed The amended version of the Gay Marriage Bill. Maybe,the whole senate tomorrow...
June 22, 2011, 11:30 pm
Golden remained lost in Republican Cave-in from Queensland, D.U. says:
All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Golden together again...

Marriage Equality Bill passes Republican "controlled" State Senate easily.

Diaz blames the Republicans...
June 24, 2011, 9:26 pm

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