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What’s in a nabe? Proposed megadevelopment’s Boerum Hill location galvanizes debate

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Whose backyard is it anyway?

The massive 74- and 38-story towers in a controversial megadevelopment planned for the edge of Boerum Hill have no place in the brownstone-lined neighborhood, locals fiercely opposed to the project have argued since it was revealed more than a year ago.

“It’s not too late to recognize how egregious this proposal is for Boerum Hill,” said one critic of the 80 Flatbush complex at the beep’s April 30 hearing on it, following months of similar complaints.

But 80 Flatbush — a five-building scheme on a lot bounded by Flatbush and Third avenues and State and Schermerhorn streets that will contain residential, commercial, cultural, and educational spaces if erected — isn’t in Boerum Hill at all, according to leaders at builder Alloy Development, who claim their project will actually rise in the enclave’s neighbor, the already skyscraper-filled America’s Downtown.

“A growing city should be providing density in the right locations and we think this is one of them,” said Jared Della Valle, a bigwig at Alloy, whose website for 80 Flatbush bills it as “a proposed mixed-use development in Downtown Brooklyn.”

And no matter what neighborhood incorporates the complex, the 80 Flatbush site is within the special Downtown Brooklyn district — where buildings’ size is regulated by density, not height — that city officials formed in 2004 to bring taller, mixed-use structures to the area in an effort to stimulate economic growth.

Still, Alloy can’t break ground until the city signs-off on a rezoning that would nearly triple the site’s allowable “floor-area-ratio,” a measurement that determines how high a structure can be relative to the size of the land it is on, from 6.5 to 18 — a request that Boerum Hill purists return to in order to crucify the project as entirely wrong for the neighborhood.

“There’s no concern for the perpetually told untruth that the development is Downtown, when it is in Boerum Hill,” Fort Greener Lucy Koteen said at an earlier public hearing as part of the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure for 80 Flatbush. “Zoning and neighborhood definitions were put into place to protect neighborhood character.”

Neighborhoods, however, are merely arbitrary monikers established in the last century — often by real-estate agents trying to sell properties, according to the head of a private preservationist group.

“Neighborho­ods in New York City are seamlessly elastic and also imprecise,” said Simeon Bankoff, who runs the Historic Districts Council. “Boerum Hill was a new 20th-century creation that was, as I recall, created by realtors to differentiate from Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill.”

The area now known as Boerum Hill only received its name in 1964, according to a New Yorker report.

And before that, the present-day neighborhood — generally bounded by Schermerhorn Street, Baltic Street, Fourth Avenue, and Court Street — was lumped together with a vast amount of land known as South Brooklyn, which stretched from the banks of the East River to areas today’s locals call Red Hook and Gowanus, according to a Brooklyn Historical Society bigwig.

“The separate names for a lot of the areas that we know as Brownstone Brooklyn are a relatively recent thing,” said Julie Golia. “We don’t have municipality-designated neighborhoods, it’s a little bit of a free market the way we understand them.”

And some Brooklynites remained reluctant to embrace the Boerum Hill moniker years after it was coined, according to the author of “The Invention of Brownstone Brooklyn,” who argued that some locals who led a 1966 protest against the city’s demolition of an abandoned brownstone in the area likely would not have called it by its current name back then.

“Most surely had not heard of Boerum Hill,” Suleiman Osman wrote in his tome. “For most Brooklynites in the 1960s the block was an indistinguishable
part of South Brooklyn.”

In 1973, when city preservationists at the Landmarks Preservation Commission designated a swath of Boerum Hill for protection as a historic district, they set Wyckoff, Hoyt, Pacific, and Nevins streets as its boundaries to create a jagged stretch that included roughly 250 buildings, most of them row houses.

And last October, when the agency kicked-off a process to consider expanding the Boerum Hill Historic District, it proposed extending those boundaries — but not far enough to include the 80 Flatbush site or even its surrounding city blocks.

The fact that present-day Boerum Hill didn’t even exist 60 years ago undermines those arguments against the project that are based solely on its location, according to supporters, who claimed its opponents’ angst boils down to privilege and a bad case of NIMBY or “not in my backyard” thinking.

“It’s incredibly NIMBY — there’s such an emphasis on ‘this is our neighborhood, we don’t want anyone else in it, we want it to ourselves,’ ” said William Thomas, a member of the citywide, pro-development group Open New York, who lives in Manhattan. “What happens in one neighborhood effects another, the idea of shutting yourself off from the rest of the city and trying to keep everyone else out is incredibly unfair.”

Some 80 Flatbush critics, however, argue its polarizing location is secondary to its poor planning, and that the complex containing 900 new apartment units — 200 of which will be so-called affordable housing — on top of new elementary and high-school classrooms doesn’t belong anywhere in the borough as designed.

“I have said it doesn’t matter what neighborhood it’s in,” said Howard Kolins, the president of civic group the Boerum Hill Association, whose website claims the megadevelopment is in Boerum Hill, not Downtown. “We don’t think this development is intelligent development.”

But the project’s proximity to the massive Atlantic Terminal transit hub and its public benefits — including the new schools and below-market-rate apartments — are too important to sacrifice to a debate over its neighborhood, according to a bigwig at an organization that promotes economic and environmental stability through urban research and planning.

“I don’t think it’s important whether you call this particular site Downtown, Boerum Hill, Flatbush, or even Fort Greene,” said Moses Gates, who works for the Regional Plan Association. “This is the kind of place where these developments should go — it’s in line with more or less the rest of Downtown Brooklyn, and in line with the type of density we should be bringing around major transit hubs.”

Reach reporter Julianne Cuba at (718) 260–4577 or by e-mail at jcuba@cnglocal.com. Follow her on Twitter @julcuba.
Updated 6:51 pm, May 9, 2018
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Joe from Brooklyn says:
This article appears to have been written or at least inspired by Alloy Development's PR Firm Daly Gonzalez (http://www.dalygonzalez.com/). For clarity, The Regional Plan Association (http://www.rpa.org/people/moses-gates-aicp) is a think tank owned and run by REBNY (The Real Estate Board of NY), which is the primary lobbying organization for the Real Estate Development industry. Their Board of Directors hails from every major real estate developer in NYC (http://www.rpa.org/about/board-of-directors).
May 8, 6:48 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
This is the best article I've read so far for contextualizing the NIMBY complaints.
May 8, 7:07 am
Bob from Ft Greene says:
The rush to cluster is the new developers' cry to save the world. The great planner and environmentalist, William Thomas, spreads the gospel of luxury towers to the rescue of our struggling planet. What happens when Atlantic Yards is all overbuilt out and a 1500' tower is up where Modells was, joining the 1000' and 600' towers at 80 Flatbush and everyone flushes their toilet at the same time? What then, William Thomas? (Btw, where do you live? Who's your daddy?)
May 8, 7:41 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
"The rush to cluster is the new developers' cry to save the world." Sometimes I read things that are absolutely shocking in their ignorance. Clustering, i.e. building cities, first started happening millennia ago.

Maybe it's funnier to imagine Bob imagining thousands of people coordinating themselves to flush their toilets at the same time to amuse themselves or whatever else Bob thinks would cause them to do this.
May 8, 7:48 am
Pedro from Boerum Hill says:
Sure glad we have “mike from Williamsburg” on the case - since he seems to only comment on articles involving 80 Flatbush.

The point is simple - the developers need a VARIANCE to build their mega tower (taller than any building in the east village, west village, upper east side, upper west side, Williamsburg etc).

The neighborhood has never said we don’t want intelligent development of that corner - but a building the size of the Chrysler building in a brownstone neighborhood makes zero sense. We have literally 10,000 new apartments coming online in this vicinity in the next few years. Is that “Keeping everyone out?” Hardly. Alloy likes to pretend they are bringing water to the desert. They aren’t.

These kids from “YITBY” (Yes In Their Back Yard) seem to have never been to this part of Brooklyn before - but Brooklyn paper is eager to quote them on equal footing with our neighborhood president.

And lastly, the idea that the neighborhood was created by realtors 60! years ago and that that is somehow recent? boggles my mind. How much does Williamsburg look like it did 60 years ago? Or Harlem? Maybe we should only count the neighborhood character of pre-revolutionary war towns. Hey - if you weren’t defined by 1745 are you REALLY a neighborhood?

This whole thing is a money making scheme to build more luxury apartments in an area where they can’t even give away the luxury apartments that have been recently built.

All we are saying is NO VARIANCE. THEY CAN BUILD A 40 story tower AS OF RIGHT. They should do so.
May 8, 8:15 am
Tom from Brooklyn says:
William Thomas is a YIMBY troll who lives in the East Village and is upset that his rents are too high. We were all there once Billy. It's hard starting out in NY. The rents are high. It's an expensive city. Unfortunately the millennial solution of being an an astroturf activist working for REBNY and the developers isn't going to make your East Village apartment more affordable. Trickle down economics hasn't worked nationally, and it's unlikely to work it NY real estate. It may increase your income if REBNY and Alloy start paying your rent as a thank you for your help though. Is that your motivation? Mike, you should have stopped with your first comment. It was more cogent, if still patently false.
May 8, 8:25 am
Julio from Cobble Hill says:
William Thomas is a bot. Mike from WilliamThomasburg is a troll.
May 8, 8:32 am
Marcus from Ft Greene says:
What a flabby piece of reporting. Usually this reporter is sharp. Advocates for supertowers attack Boerum Hill for being a designation of only 60 years. They call the 14 year old Downtown District authentic. The Open NY crowd don't live in Boerum Hill or even Brooklyn. They're paid Alloy lobbyists.
May 8, 9:04 am
Frank from Furter says:
None of this has anything to do with the fact that its too big and too close to a brownstone street-right on top of it. There is no transition between the brownstones and the high rise which occurs on every other street in the Downtown district. walk up Hoyt or bond and see the transition.
and as for being close to the transit hub that is what the Barclay and Atantic/pacific Green are already at the over crowded transit hub. You can't add all these major developments around the transit hub and not count the additional effect on them. NIMBY my tuches.
May 8, 9:40 am
gym from wiselanduse says:
Boerum Hill has been around since the mid 1800's as a low rise neighborhood- in case Brooklyn Paper hadn't noticed. The naming doesn't really matter. So I don't see why you wasted so much ink on that non-issue. What does matter is the Zoning. The current zoning allows for a large but contextual 40 story building on this site, which provides for a sound and LOGICAL transition from the huge towers of Downtown to the lower rise residential neighborhood. The Community Board Land Use Subcommittee supported this by flatly rejected the HUGE ZONING VARIANCE requested by the developer. I expect the Borough President will see it the same way today, and the full CB, too. I hope the Council members will stop triangulating their career choices and and put this excessive variance request our of its misery.
May 8, 9:54 am
HL from Clinton hill says:
The neighborhood is dead. Long live the neighborhood.
May 8, 10:13 am
Bibi from Ft Greene says:
Who is this "William Thomas," a name as generic as John Smith. Whoever he is, he's just trolling, I would imagine for the developer. People who live in a neighborhood don't want "to keep others out." Do people living in the West Village try to keep non residents out? Do people in Bay Ridge? Tottenville? Riverdale? Does "William Thomas" want there to be no neighborhoods, just NYC? Does "William Thomas" live in NYC?
May 8, 10:42 am
I eat chocolate, not sht says:
Considering there are 5 billion too many people to sustain life on Earth, NIMBYs (particularly those who don't relentlessly procreate) may be compared to nerve endings sending an alarm to the brain to be more considerate of its actions.
May 8, 10:57 am
MIke from Williamsburg says:
Pedro, the point is that brownstones don't belong in downtown Brooklyn. Move to Ohio.
May 8, 11:30 am
Henry Ford from Bay Ridge says:
Brownstones do not belong in downtown Brooklyn? How about you launder the stolen money of foreign criminals in Ohio instead.
May 8, 11:38 am
Henry Ford from Bay Ridge says:
I think it's time I moved back to Ohio. Brooklyn isn't cool anymore.
May 8, 11:47 am
Mike from Wiliamsburg says:
Let's think about what Gym for Wiselanduse's argument means. "Boerum Hill has been around since the mid 1800's as a low rise neighborhood"

He is arguing that that area should have the same density and scale even after the openings of the Brooklyn Bridge, the Manhattan Bridge, construction of the subways, and the growth of NYC's population.

To be polite about it, that is ridiculous.
May 8, 12:05 pm
Pedro from Boerum Hill says:
The brownstones are HERE already Mike - changing the name of the area to Downtown doesn't move them. Unless your plan is to raze them. Good thinking!

"Let's obliterate Brooklyn and start over!" - Mike (probably not) from Williamsburg.

AGAIN for the people, like Mike, who don't appear to want to read or understand what the neighborhood and ALL of the elected officials who have weighed in on this believe - the VARIANCE is all about making money. They can build a 40 STORY tower AS OF RIGHT.

Even that is taller than ANY building in Williamsburg.

NO to the VARIANCE. Let them build AS OF RIGHT.
May 8, 12:35 pm
L says:
Interesting factoid Michael, though do consider the Brooklyn Bridge et al's capacities.
May 8, 12:35 pm
Watching the REBNY Bait & Switch per usual from Manhattanization of Brooklyn says:
So many fallacious premises ...
Transit Hub? Please...overcrowded platform-sardine oppressed trains...900 more apartments along with all the other construction projects increasing density while this Mayor cannot get public transportation right with the residents we already have here???

Affordable Housing...affordable to whom? and why is Alloy doing them in the delayed second stage when everything may be subject to ...er..change?

Concerns for schools...Gibran school kid in the classrooms while construction is underway ?!?

NYC paying usurious school leasing amounts to ALLOY such as being done in an Extell building:

https://commercialobserver.com/2018/03/city-strikes-pricey-deal-for-pre-k-at-extells-ues-condo-tower

The misstep of Boerum Hill and CB2 allowing this area to be amended to the "Special Downtown Brooklyn District" in the first place thus enabling its prior upzoning to now be subjected to upzoning the upzoning yet again...all while the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership BID & its greedy REBNY Board members laugh all the way to the bank...with it's barely disguised 'for the greater good' developer partners Alloy gleeful.
May 8, 12:51 pm
Frank from Furter says:
No one is saying no development. When this was rezoned 10 plus years ago the allowable FAR was approved at 12. This allows a 40 story building. The request is for a 50 percent increase above that from 12 to 18. 40 stories isn't big enough?
May 8, 1:25 pm
Frank from Furter says:
Btw the doesn't get anything for free. First they give them access to the land to build on. Yes they build a school but you can be sure the city will be paying a lease payment every year. Also the city give a tax abatement that foregoes other income to the city..its paid for fully. No free lunch.
May 8, 1:33 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Pedro, even if the brownstones are currently where they do not belong, no one is forcing them to go anywhere. The brownstones can stay in downtown Brooklyn while a very tall building goes up nearby in a location entirely appropriate for it. The brownstones will remain available only to extremely rich people, and they will continue to be annoying and fight anyone moving to "their" neighborhood.
May 8, 1:41 pm
EL says:
I understand Michael's reluctance to come to terms with this reality, because it means there's no life left. Wilderness both urban and natural has been smothered. Consider the city's nightlife... It's awful now and it's managed by a night mayor no less. There's no room left to breath irregardless of choice of direction. It's perfectly timed with the loss of darkness, ie the global night sky and the growing use of the Internet.
May 8, 1:49 pm
Elle says:
The Earth's wobble will probably right itself, rotation will stop, we'll get sucked into the sun and then the universe will explode.
May 8, 2:09 pm
Pedro from Boerum Hill says:
Wow "Mike" - so gracious of you.

"The brownstones can stay where they are!" decrees Mike from Williamsburg.

The brownstones are in Boerum Hill. Which is the entire point.

And we aren't just a neighborhood of brownstones by the way, not that you've ever been here. We have a YWCA on the corner of 3rd and State that has nearly 300 units, you know - ACTUAL, REAL affordable housing. AND we have the Institute for Community Living right on State/Nevins which houses about a hundred people with mental illnesses. This project will be terrible for all of them.

And again with the "fight anyone" moving to their neighborhood comment - are you actually unable to read the message - they can build a 40 STORY TOWER AS OF RIGHT. Your accusation that we don't allow "anyone" to move here is truly hilarious. If you ever walked the streets of this neighborhood you would see we are a total construction zone.

Maybe read my first comment more slowly next time?
May 8, 3:13 pm
Henry Ford from Bay Ridge says:
Tranquillo Pedro, tranquillo.
May 8, 3:42 pm
Ben from Fort Greene says:
Just to correct one thing Frank mis-stated (with whom I otherwise agree), the current zoning on the 80 Flatbush lots allows for a FAR of 6.5. The half-block lot was up-zoned in the 2004 Downtown Brooklyn rezoning from an original residential FAR of 2.5 to allow for higher density when they included it in the Special Downtown Brooklyn District (which is debatable if it should have been included in this in the first place). The half-block lot was intentionally kept at 6.5 and not the downtown max of 12 because it is NOT downtown.
It is a transition buffer zone. That is the concept of transitional, contextual zoning. So the requested up-zoning 80 Flatbush is asking for is 3X the current legal limit. When you put that a dollar value against that, the developer is asking for $300 - $350 million in free air rights and land from the city, the DOE and the community. So if everyone who bought or rented an apartment got two extra apartments for free (forever), that is essentially what they are asking for. Is that good urban planning?
May 8, 3:52 pm
William Thomas from East Village says:
I was on NY1 after the CB2 vote for 80 Flatbush. You can see me here as I posted my appearance on my Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/OpenNYForAll/status/987005787594788865. My clip starts at 1m 25s into the segment. No I don't live in Brooklyn, but I have heard a lot about it, and I know everything there is to know. I have been going to community board meetings and hearings all over the city to spread my wisdom about how the city can build its way out of a housing crisis.
We should eliminate zoning and if we could bulldoze historic districts to replace them with towers, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. If we create as many luxury and mid-level apartments as possible, that will help the homeless and more importantly, drive down my rent in the East Village. You can read all about my research and intimate knowledge of the subject on my website. I have spent a lot of time researching facts and articles like this one about the nuances of the NYC housing market: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-31/rental-glut-makes-nyc-the-worst-performer-for-equity-residential.

Based on the documented housing glut, I firmly believe we need more housing to help solve the housing crisis and help lower my rent in the East Village. Eventually, as I move out of higher-priced apartments, the working families and the homeless will be able to move into them. It's all about my back yard.
May 8, 4:08 pm
Eloise says:
We haven't a housing crisis. We've a people crisis.
May 8, 4:58 pm
Eliot says:
——, it's the reason Trump is president. The electoral vote did what it was suppose to do. People who move to the city from red states refuse to acknowledge they are part of the problem.
May 8, 5:16 pm
Eliot says:
... likely leaving leaking septic tanks in their wake, while insisting compacting garbage is the solution upon their arrival
May 8, 5:52 pm
Historic Brooklyn from Ft. Greene says:
If tax abatements are revoked from developers and redirected to infrastructure and schools; the 41 mega-buildings that are on a majority; empty, rents would decrease and normalize to somewhat reasonable rates; if there is something called reasonable.

As for the East Village troll; disrespectful "former flyover state" refugee wants to remain in NYC, he needs to have respect for the historical communities that made NYC the enclave that it is.

Most of these interlopers do not fit into the character of NYC; all Brownstoners are not uber rich; maybe the former Manhattanites moving in with their cantankerous attitudes about property ownership may fit his bill, but the people that make Brooklyn the wonderful place that it is do not. Razing Brownstones, building cheap-material prison cells will not fix any housing crisis.

These (OpenNY) idiots have no idea about infrastructure or how it supports residents, how it all works. The electrical grid, the sanitation, waste water systems, heating, ventilation, water; it's all connected to infrastructure support; building new towers is the dumbest idea I've ever heard without looking how things work.

The downtown structures on Ashland had really low water pressure. Water and sewage had to be redirected to flow to these new towers.

The train platforms are dangerously crowded. When someone gets sick or a train is late coming into Atlantic/Dekalb stations for any train line; the platforms (already nightmares) become even more dangerous. How can these OPENNY folk not see this? They haven't lived here long enough to come into contact with the knowledge about our great city.
Flyover state new-comers want to be cool; screaming obscenities on trains about MTA; leave if you do not like it. MTA is doing the best it could ever do under the circumstances.

NY really needs to go "old school" make developers and new renters pay to play in this great city. To the East-sider; I hope your rent goes through the roof; hope anywhere you go; you have to pay!

You have no solutions. Go back to Ohio. There was a young woman who mentioned she was from Ohio (Do not want to live in sleepy brownstone neighborhoods), my advice to her, go home little girl and take your fellow state resident from Ohio back with you; this city is too big for you.
May 8, 11:36 pm
Bob Marvin from Prospect Lefferts Gardens says:
I think highly of Simeon Bankoff, so I was especially disappointed by his statement that the Boerum Hill name was created by real estate people. He, of all people should no better. It IS a made up name [there's no actual hill] but made up by residents who were restoring brownstones in which to live.
May 9, 10 am
Rachel from Fort Greene says:
Cantankerous former Manhattanites? Listen up pal, lucky for you not everybody is running in the same direction.
May 9, 10:15 am
Jay from Crownheights says:
900 units and only 200 affordable,here we go again with the uneven amount of affordability,newyork have a serious un balance housing units,and i bet when it comes to the AMI they will jump over different incomes,example 40% 60% 100% 130% and up,what happened to the inbetween incomes,same b.s.
May 9, 10:48 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
No one illustrates the confused arguments of NIMBYs better than "Historic Brooklyn" here.

Someone: "We need more housing and density."
Confused Nativist: "If you want density, go back to Ohio." ?!?!?!!?

How does that work? LOLOLOLOL
May 9, 1:07 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Jay, how many of those 700 market rate units do you think will cost less than buying a nearby brownstone?

My point is that there is a ton of luxury housing in that neighborhood, and it is owning a brownstone in Boerum Hill.
May 9, 1:08 pm
Adamben from Bedstuy says:
So, where should they build housing? Or should people continue to double up in studios/1bdrms...? But, yes tax breaks should not be given to these developers until the infrastructure is fixed.
May 9, 3:19 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Keep in mind that Ratner claimed the Atlantic Yards (now called Pacific Park) would make similar promises if it got built, but those were never kept, so I don't see how this one will be any different other than a developer just wanting to get their way.
May 9, 5:10 pm
Historic Brooklyn from Ft. Greene Brooklyn says:
Mikey-Mike is sooooo jealous he does not own a brownstone, he probably wet himself! GREEN EYED STRAIGHT-UP EVIL JEALOUSY! SAD YOU ARE MAN, VERY SAD.

Simeon Bankoff respects history; he speaks truth to power. BOERUM HILL nor the communities surrounding it to the left of Jay Street; sleepy brownstones are in a community and not a part of DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN, but evil jealousy never gets past their box-brains to hear anything.

Greedy Real Estate developers and those who profit see nothing but dollars and nothing else.

You're here, Mikey-Mike; pay your rent or get out. Everyone else does; join the homeless, but stop disrespecting Brooklyn Brownstone Owners; save your pennies, perhaps you can buy one one day!

Pay your rent, be happy you have a home at all. If you can't afford your rent, do like all of the others, get a roommate and sit yourself down somewhere.

Go have a drink Mikey-Mike. I am buying all my friends a drink for you! Peace!
May 9, 6:56 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
I rest my case. These brownstone owners are lunatics.

The right thing to do is ignore them.

Actually, the right thing to do is make them pay the same property taxes that everyone else does. But the best we can hope for is to ignore them.
May 9, 8:17 pm
Historic Brooklyn from Ft. Greene says:
Okay, Mike; you really showed your ignorance. dude, you are soooo under-studied on taxes and how it works. I will make an attempt to open NY for you; it's open to all of us; that's the argument.

NYC is interesting. It was once, still is a place of dreams; not choking the sun out people's lives! The coolest businesses have closed. There are "garbage dump chain stores" everywhere. No wonder so many of them are shutting down. They've bored the hell out the rest of the nation, they come here, one or two are surviving.

THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BUILT IF THE DEVELOPERS if they have the money to build without the triple A Bonding. It's a done deal. THE SCHOOLS should be constructed FIRST in order for them to gain the triple A bonding. NO TRIPLE BONDING for the development UNTIL THE SCHOOLS ARE BUILT.

MTA SERVICES MUST BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTS. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? REDIRECT THOSE ABATEMENTS OR A HEAVY PERCENTAGE; IT SHOULD FINANCE ALL MTA/PLATFORMS/SYSTEMS/NYCT/LIRR/BUS STOPS/EMERGENCY VEHICLE PASSAGES TRAFFIC PATTERNS/UTILITY/UPGRADE/ARE OPERATIONAL WHERE MTA IS CONCERNED; sweet funding for MTA to be better; then people can scream, why they are not working fast enough. Now there is no money; it's a cycle of people working, earning money, paying taxes, rent, living in NYC.

PLATFORMS WILL NEED TO BE widened, opened at the base of these buildings in addition to expanding existing platforms, entry points for trains. Atlantic station is big and the rush hour is dangerous when trains are not moving during rush hour.

LARGER PLATFORMS are needed at all entry points for MTA straight up Flatbush Avenue from Grand Army Plaza to the Q-entrance on Dekalb line;

SYSTEMS/SUPPORTING VENTILATION, ADA, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WORK FOR UTILITIES; NOT EVEN A PRE-Kindergarten's SUMMARY FOR WHAT SHOULD BE EVALUATED AND LOOKED AT FOR THESE DARN DEVELOPERS; before they litter the landscape any worse than they have.

THIS may cost a few BILLION; EXPONENTIALLY FAST TRAINING NEEDS TO OCCUR TO TRAIN WORKERS Any UPGRADEs to move at the speed (trains should work) for the people who complain so much. When taxes are revoked, people move into those monster buildings downtown, rents will fluctuate. When developers have to pay taxes, their hearts will warm to the need to pay their bills or they will lose the buildings to whomever, perhaps the city. A liveable average rent will result.

ECONOMICS; you know; you can't over supply to think you will have demand; empty apartments should prove that

Utilities drive NYC/MTA and her services rule. Homeowners know this. You should learn. It's not about opening NY; you need to educate yourselves on the history of NY. You're destroying it.

The view from Grand Army Plaza was a skyline view of Manhattan when you stood at the arch. People used the Williamsburg Savings Bank (or for you the Clock Building) for compass readings to get home. The Empire State Building is in Manhattan; so is the replacement for the Towers. Stay in Manhattan where you live, leave the old Brooklyn people alone.

Developers should also pay a usage tax if connected to subway, utility or city/state infrastructure. This tax should assist in police officers, fire department, emergency service operations as well in they service all citizens.

Where are you really from, sad. You need to go find some real New York "being" and let them give you some "real" NY factoids; not over-blown, lyposucked, go buy your starbucks cuz you can only hang out with your own; watch TV; see the folk on the street and not feel the "realness" of those left in the city, their children, their parents, teachers, community musician, artist, some industry of quality, class and art at the onset of what was the beginning of "gentrification." Many came and integrated into the craziness of NYC; they showed up at the Borough Hall hearing. They like the "realness" left in society. You people with your greed, sick greed; it's jealousy, THE WORST flaw to let take over your life; drowns you in all the other selfish acts like greed, so many others.

COMMUNITY GARDENS ARE LEFT IN PERPUTUITY TO NY'kers. WALKING BY A GARDEN DURING CERTAIN TIMES, THE GATES ARE OPEN! Children growing up in a concrete jungle need to see greenery, no matter the class.

NIMBY is not all about brownstone owners in my advocacy; it's about the children from the local daycare seeing the fruit trees, the flowers, the life that will come through to watering, sunlight and seed growth in the garden in their city in which they will grow to carry on what legacy they may choose. Breathing while getting on and off the subway is also a choice.

GREEDY PEOPLE NEITHER CARE: NOR CAN THEY HEAR THAT NYC was created, thrived on everyone, not just by the uberwealthy, upperclass, middleclass. WorkingClass was and is a major economic force of NYC. Most homeless people had way more interesting lives than you ever will with all your GREED

You care nothing about the homeless or you would find out how a homeless person came to be.

They have way more heart and knowledge than you about homeowners paying taxes, sanitation, taking care of their homesteads. Ask one one day when you're feeling lonely.

You may do yourself a service by going to see Hamilton; if you can't afford try the lottery $10; but I know you can.

GO to some libraries, or go to STRANDS, look at the NYC section, pick up some books, read some history; stop boobing in front of the tube; wanting to be. It will change your attitude and you might want the developers to pay their taxes for 30 years instead of collecting millions per floor, per month by paying no taxes; ignor-it's your tax stupid, if you're working in NYC, getting paid from a NYC based business. But if you work for a company who hides their profits offshore; why even care? This is not Los Angeles!

When you look at the folk you see on the train, in the street, check them; they are real; not what you see on TV.
May 9, 9:50 pm
Historic Brooklyn from Ft. Greene says:
Ask Joe Lhota of MTA what he needs and give it to him.

Fix; investigate, test before dumping another set of ugly uncharacteristically attractive buildings on what could be a weak infrastructure.

This is not Manhattan which is bedrock; Towers can be built there; Brooklyn was farm land.

One of the ALLOY partners owns a very profitable cable company; they actually pay themselves for the cable they will install; Who knows if they will hire Local unionized contractors.

Anyhow. Think about it all before being so GREEDY for whomever you troll for wannabe "NYC" DUDE MIKE from WILLIAMsburg.
May 9, 10:20 pm
Harrold from Windsor Terrace says:
Part of the problem is 3rd generation immigrants often don't give a damn, as they've been americanized in the worst sense.
May 10, 7:24 am
Ms. Me from Bay Ridge says:
Mike from Williamsburg is obsessed with wanting to cover the entire borough with high rises. I'm surprised he even knows there is an Ohio, since he seems to want to cram the entire country into Brooklyn. Water tunnel #3 is not even operational yet for Brooklyn and it will be a disaster if there is a problem with either of the existing tunnels. All development should be stopped until tunnel#3 is online.
May 11, 10 am
Stephen from Bushwick says:
Great article. The whole debate over the name is absurd – Boerum Hill is a fake name that early gentrifiers slapped onto the neighborhood to give it an air of authenticity, and to distinguish it from surrounding neighborhoods that were not yet fully gentrified.

Now that all of the former South Brooklyn is one homogenous mass of white gentrifiers in brownstones (often multifamily dwellings, or even SROs, whose tenants they evicted to create their palatial, undertaxed dwellings), they should just go back to calling it South Brooklyn. There's no need to differentiate Boerum Hill, Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens and Gowanus anymore.
May 11, 5:18 pm
Jay from Brooklyn from Downtown Brooklyn says:
Love the millionaire homeowners trying to justify being NIMBYs. Look, we get it. You got yours and the rest of us can shove off. Nimbys really are the perfect GOP voters. Already rich and making sure the door is closed to everyone else.
May 11, 6:50 pm
Pedro from Boerum Hill says:
Ha! Irony is dead and Jay from Brooklyn has nailed it to the cross. Honestly Jay do you think Trump would be for or against this building? I think we know the answer. These huge tax giveaways / overdevelopment projects are exactly the kind of thing Trump and his cronies thrive on.

The developers are being funded by a billionaire from Florida - you think she knows or cares what’s best for the people of Brooklyn?

We already have an incredible number of new buildings in this area - plenty of spaces already here for people to move into if they want to.

CB2 just voted 32-1 against this project! And if you think they are all brownstone owners you really don’t know the area. It’s an historic vote and shows the widespread opposition in the greater Brooklyn area.

This project as proposed is a loser.
May 13, 6:12 pm

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