Today’s news:

Don’t just stand there — save geese

for The Brooklyn Paper

What does a random day in March have to do with July 8, 2010?

The folly of Hands Around the Lake last weekend, together with the goals of the inhumane wildlife management plan, is that they are for display only; an empty gesture, and troubling in how well they fit with the killings of the entire population of the resident Canada Geese on July 8, 2010.

The USDA is not coming in 2011 to do their lethal trapping of waterfowl because the early morning violence perpetrated on the resident bird life of Prospect Park has done a great deal of harm to the association between families and their city. Air safety had been enhanced by having resident Canada geese at Prospect Park Lake. The killings destroyed decades of stability to the balance naturally created and new Canada geese have since arrived to establish residency.

Each year, tens of thousands of visitors come to enjoy the wildlife. Many are families with small children who marvel at the mute swans, Canada geese, mallards and other waterfowl playing along the watercourse. Parents stop to explain to the children what they are seeing is nature’s relationship in an urban landscape. It is valuable for those who live in a large urban environment to interact with animals in a park, not only a zoo, and learn to respect other living creatures.

We who live in New York City have an obligation and a right to keep this unique experience a possibility for future visitors. In the summer of 2010, the trust was broken.

The future protection of the wildlife and their habitat is at stake here. Wildlife is not an abstract. The first item on the agenda for the newly created Wildlife Management Advisory Committee should be to correct the years of neglect to the wildlife habitat of Prospect Park. The lake is being polluted year after year through the dumping of barbecue coals and other debris into the watercourse. The evidence of erosion and disrepair of the lakeside is overwhelming to those who care for the environment.

It was announced that the managers of the plan consider hiring Border Collies to harass the Canada geese in May and June, the time when their young, obviously helpless and flightless goslings are born. Where do they think they are going to chase the Canada geese away to? To be killed somewhere else to ease their collective conscience this time? The tactic of using fear instead of reason is mind numbing. They have avoided at every chance to stand up against destroying waterfowl families through harassment, addling, and destruction of their nests and instead promote these inhumane tactics. We want wildlife management that supports the protection of our urban wildlife, as well as the maintenance of their habitats from abuses.

To quote a famous English logician: “The March Hare will be much the most interesting, and perhaps as this is May it won’t be raving mad — at least not so mad as it was in March.”

Anne-Katrin Titze is a licensed wildlife rehabilitator and active park goer.

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Chris from Windsor Terrace says:
It is about time someone speaks out against this ill conceived wildlife management plan that is only in place to destroy the Canada Geese of Prospect Park.
Hands Around the Lake invited the ridicule by ignoring the obvious threats to the wildlife they claim to care for.
April 1, 2011, 6:24 am
Marshall from South Slope says:
Finally, the core issues are being addressed. The wildlife management plan the Humane Society endorses and promotes is to make the conditions at Prospect Park intolerable for the waterfowl.
Harassment, plain and simple. And they use words like compassion and management as if they are doing the geese a favor.

With friends like these, the geese don't need enemies.
April 1, 2011, 6:46 am
David from Windsor Terrace says:
Priorities askew

On the PP Alliance website they boast the park is 585 acres. There ought to be room for resident geese to have goslings. When the park is understaffed and unable to deal with the day-to-day maintenance, they choose to go after the geese instead.
April 1, 2011, 7:07 am
carla from manhattan says:
we are well on our way to raising callous children in this city already. To claim that there must be management of wildlife in a city park with a large lake is ludicrous. Everyone must speak out against this kind of devil's bargain, including the hands around the lake people.
April 1, 2011, 7:37 am
Henry from Kensington says:
We need less bad singing like I heard on the Brownstoner video and more action. I always lived by the saying "actions speak louder than words."
April 1, 2011, 8:03 am
Caroline from Park Slope says:
I saw the empty lake last summer. The geese were killed and the lake kept getting filthier and filthier all summer.
This year why don't we try to stop the human waste?
April 1, 2011, 8:52 am
Daniel from Harlem says:
I don't get it. What hazard do these geese present to public safety? Why is evidence in such shorty supply?

Also, it must be stated that analysis of the geese that collided with flight 1549 were not residents of prospect park.

Why would geese fly 6.5 miles away from a serene lake to a noisy airport with less food and fewer places to nest?

Where is the evidence that these birds are threatening the public safety?
April 1, 2011, 9:03 am
Kim from Windsor Terrace says:
To cavalierly be open to trying to control nature is an arrogance we do not need in Brooklyn.
If you want to quote John Lennon - Let it be, let it be!
April 1, 2011, 9:21 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
The beauty of the "Hands Around the Lake" event is not that everyone there was of one mind on how to deal with government plans to round up and gas geese throughout the city, but that almost 200 people, (including children) showed up to speak up for the geese and to condemn the horrific slaughters of them.

It was a visual presentation on behalf of the geese and other wildlife in the park.

But, of couse, no one event or tactic is the "answer" in confronting misinformation, lies, denials and rationalizations for killing thousands of birds who have been flying our skies for thousands of years.

We cannot assume that further goose gassings will not occur at Prospect Park. Yesterday, the city apparently entered into a new, 4-year, $700,000 contract with USDA for "Wildlife Hazards Management Plan."

It is important for ALL people who care about this issue and protecting the wildlife in our parks to WORK TOGETHER and become politically proactive (even when there is not 100% agreement on specific tactics and positions) to try and save these precious animals.

Geese themselves will sometimes squabble and peck for position, but in the end, they always fly together and in the same direction for the betterment of the whole.

We, as humans need to learn that.
April 1, 2011, 9:30 am
Kelly from Prospect Heights says:
In order to stop a runaway train someone has to hop on board.
Thanks Anne-Katrin for jumping on board!
April 1, 2011, 9:56 am
Alma from Astoria, Queens says:
I visited Prospect Park a few years ago and was amazed by its beauty, especially by the presence of the geese. I had never seen and touched a bird of that size and beauty in my life. It's an amazing feeling to be able to be in touch with nature, despite our living location. It's in our nature to have the ability to love, and this includes animals. But it is also in our nature to look away even when our input is most needed. I hope this can be an exception. Please don't turn your backs on these creatures when they most need you. Don't allow what's yours to be taken away. Geese are part of our environment and thus, they are part of our living arrangements. I, just like many others, would like to be able to visit the Park again and see it improved, not destroyed. I would like to be able to enjoy the company of the beautiful birds.
April 1, 2011, 10:58 am
Amy from Park Slope says:
I totally agree with PattyA's comments on this. Everyone should be working together. AnneKatrin seems to want the same things that everyone at Hands Around the Lake wanted so it seems she could have pitched in to help instead of sit on the sidelines and criticize. Such a shame. I am a college professor and can say that this is a common disease among other college professors I have known in my long career. In a publish or perish environment, faculty are so panicked that they won't get a chance in the light that they focus on shoving others out of the light rather than looking up to put in another lightbulb. AnneKatrin sends out an exhausting amount of self-promotional spam so she's obviously craving that light. She could have opened her heart and helped with Hands Around the Lake, but she chose to sit on the sidelines and then blast a small group of novice organizers who had good intentions with her criticism after the fact. Just plain ugly and quite depressing that this seems to be the way America works these days.
April 1, 2011, 11:16 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
I would suggest liberal amounts of salt to take the moisture out of the meat. The geese can then be saved if hung and dried. Smoking will save the geese and add a flavor - hickory, maple. apple wood, etc.

Then you can save them with a wet brine, but be careful to get any bacteria away from the flesh.

Freezing is a less satisfactory way of saving them, but that is faster and preserves the fresh flavor of the meat.
April 1, 2011, 11:16 am
Curtis from Windsor Terrace says:
We don't want the wildlife managed by experts who have allowed Prospect Park to deteriorate right in front of us. It's important that someone is speaking out for the environment. To put money and effort into this exercise in bad judgement makes no sense whatsoever to anyone I know.
April 1, 2011, 11:17 am
art525 from park slope says:
Or from Yellow Hook- If only you were as clever and droll as you think you are.
April 1, 2011, 11:22 am
Don from Park Slope says:
All I ever hear from Anne-Katrin Titze is how much she wants to stop the abuses going on in Prospect Park. Many times with her own initiative and not passively standing around the lake holding hands.
April 1, 2011, 11:41 am
Joel from Cobble Hill says:
When I bring my family to the lake this spring, I don't want to see the waterfowl being harassed and I want the park cleaned up. There is enough suffering in the world. We don't want it going on in our park.
April 1, 2011, 12:10 pm
art525 from park slope says:
You can disagree about methods of handling the geese. Hell I do. I am against oiling the eggs and using dogs and all that. I think the geese should be left alone for all those reasons that have been expressed over and over. But we should be out there making it clear that we're not happy with what happened. NAd making it known that we won't stand by quietly if it happens again. And we shouldn't be dismissing and denigrating a bunch of kind and concerned people who earnestly went to the event to show their concern for the geese. There were various opinions on display. If she cared so much why didn't she go and express her view? Those people made an effort to do something. Congratulations Anne Katrin you alienated them by dismissing their efforts. I'm afraid that Anne Katrin is more interested in promoting herself. Yes she has pulled fish hooks out of beaks. (I commend her for that.) We know that because she issues a press release touting her actions every time she does. But events like hands around the lake whatever their failings do much more to bring the issue to the greater public. It is the geese group that brought the attention of the world's press.So Chris and Marshall and Henry it is easy to be an armchair quarterback but what are you doing? And if you want to get out there and have an assembly to protest oiling and culling and using dogs to chase them away I'll be there with you. And I am sure that if you make your case the people who held hands around the lake would be too. Until then you are doing nothing to help the cause and a great deal to hurt it by dismissing the honest efforts of some caring people.
April 1, 2011, 12:12 pm
donna from chelsea says:
i attended this event and it was a beautiful peaceful event to bring awareness to the plight of the geese. not every demonstration and/or event has to be an aggressive form of activism. sometimes there are other simpler, kinder forms of acts that be used to bring about consciousness.

marybeth put so much blood, sweat and tears into this event that for stander bys who criticize and attack are the weak ones that don't have a backbone but sit behind their computers being keyboard warriors.

anne katrine, you're a folly. how dare you belittle the efforts of others.
April 1, 2011, 12:18 pm
Henry from Kensington says:
art525 - just promise me that there won't be any more singing and maybe we can join hands.
My friends and I would rather hear the birds next time.
April 1, 2011, 12:24 pm
Gregory from Park Slope says:
Let me see if I understand. The helpless geese were violently killed last summer. Anne-Katrin discovered it and spread the word to the media and no one from the love of the geese was aware. She has relentlessly kept on top of the situation by going to the park on a regular basis reporting abuses to those in charge.

This tells a more complete story -

http://gothamist.com/2011/02/04/anne-katrin_titze_prospect_parks_un.php
April 1, 2011, 12:39 pm
Richard/Paula from Windsor Terrace says:
We know the difference between hands on and hands around.
Ms Titze is hands on and this is the kind of person we want advocating for the protection of our wildlife.
April 1, 2011, 1:07 pm
Elizabeth from Park Slope says:
For anyone who is interested, on April 2 at about 6pm there will be a quiet, dignified protest of the slaying of the geese at the he Bartel Pritchard Square entrance to Prospect Park, where party goers will be going to a Tupper Thomas tribute dinner.

Interested parties are invited to come with signs indicating their tributes and remembrances to the geese in hopes that party goers celebrating Tupper will be made aware that her last big accomplishment was to sickening act of death and destruction.

Please note that the organizer for the event is another novice organizer and I'm sure he would welcome positive energy and real help in advancing the greater cause that we are all trying to advance - care and consideration of the wildlife. If you would like to help him or to RSVP, please go to: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=210745475604408&ref=ts

And remember people, we all want the same thing. For example, Gregory, The Love of Geese was created by a bunch of people AFTER the slaying and in response to the slaying. It is great that a few others knew before hand and were working on this. It's also great that others wanted to join the fight. EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER TO SAVE OUR WILDLIFE.

So please, everyone come out on Saturday to A) support the Geese, to B) increase the awareness of the problems with the park's past politics, to C) invite party goers to contribute to saving the park rather than alienating them as the enemy (Most of them probably just don't know!) and D) welcome, support and help all new members of the community who try to organize events in support of our wildlife.
April 1, 2011, 1:18 pm
Lulu from Los angeles says:
I don't know what happened with hands around the lake, but anything to show park people that we care about the treatment of the wildlife and preserving the natural habitat is a step in the right direction, and Anne-katrin has been a tireless advocate for that. Why isn't she on this Wildlife committee?
April 1, 2011, 1:19 pm
Catherine from Park Slope says:
I am not understanding the logic in undermining the efforts of community members who brought people together from all walks of life and all ages to rally for these birds beloved by so many.

Ann Katrin, when will you be organizing something for the community? Or would you rather just do it alone?

The people there were working TOGETHER.
April 1, 2011, 1:34 pm
art525 from park slope says:
@Gregory from Park Slppe Actually the story took off when a reporter from CNN picked up on it. She picked up on it from the Facebook page "for the love of geese in prospect park". I happen to know the person who passed on contact info for Ann Katrin. He told me about it at the time. She was never a member of the group. She has chosen to go her own way and promote herself.(and it has apparently worked with you). If you go back and look at the coverage from the time it was always communication with the Facebook page and in particular with Chio Flores who at that time created and led the page. You don't have your information right. I don't know what they say on Gothamist but they are more interested in being snarky than getting things right. AND I was there.
April 1, 2011, 1:48 pm
Dave from Clinton Hill says:
Great perspective and article, thank you
April 1, 2011, 1:50 pm
Sean from Windsor Terrace says:
Here's an interview with Mary Beth, the organizer of Hands Around the Lake. She may not know about the discussion here and I don't know how to get in touch with her but thought she should have a chance to speak for herself since she's sort of been attacked here.
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/13/all_opedhandspro_2011_4_1_bk.html
April 1, 2011, 1:51 pm
art525 from park slope says:
Richard and Paula- tell me what she has done. Tell me what light she has brought to it. I think it's nice that she takes care of fish hooks but she hasn't been in any way associated with anyone who has done things to try to get attention to the cause. Really take a look at it. She won't participate with anyone who is trying to bring attention to the problem.
April 1, 2011, 1:51 pm
Richard/Paula from Windsor Terrace says:
Let's try to get our facts straight, shall we?

Front page story in the NY Times on July 13, 2010 should help straighten up art525's facts.
Without her discovery and relentless pursuit of the truth, there would be no for the love of the geese for you to hold hands with.
April 1, 2011, 2:17 pm
Bobby from Williamsburg says:
What is wrong with you people? The geese were killed! But you are all fighting over who broke the news! Unbelievable. If you all want to keep more geese from getting killed you should stop trying to kill each other with these petty arguments and instead work together on what, somewhere in here, I think is a common cause! ?????
April 1, 2011, 2:23 pm
Sean from Windsor Terrace says:
Okay, I checked out the article Richard/Paula said 'straightens' everything out. Here's the link:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/the-great-goose-roundup-the-aftermath/
There's no mention of Anne-Katrin. Can we move on now and figure out how to stop the slaughter from happening again instead of trying to figure out who said what and when?
April 1, 2011, 2:30 pm
Richard/Paula from Windsor Terrace says:
Sean take another look - this is the original story - you looked at the aftermath

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/nyregion/13geese.html
April 1, 2011, 2:44 pm
Christine McDonough from Brooklyn says:
“He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help.”
`Abraham Lincoln
April 1, 2011, 2:46 pm
Harris from Park Slope says:
I hope the Alliance doesn't drop dear old Abe's statue when they are transporting it from near the Concert Grove.
Christine, criticism and heart are not exclusive. You might say that they go hand in hand when action is taken.
April 1, 2011, 2:54 pm
Sean from Windsor Terrace says:
Alright so I read that article too and she's quoted just like a bunch of other people. Richard/Paula, whoever you are, I still don't understand your point. Because she was early to the scene of the destruction, she has the right to criticize other people who also want to help? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the geese if she said something like 'wow! More people want to stop the destruction of animals, just like I do! What can I do to help!' Rather than what she did which is to not offer any sort of help and then publicly blast her those who are ON THE SAME SIDE? I agree with Amy - it's ugly and depressing.
April 1, 2011, 2:55 pm
John from Park Slope says:
Sean, you still don't get it. For five days there was a cover up and the media were told the geese flew away and that there were no killings at Prospect Park.
Anne-Katrin refused to let the story die and it took her persistence for the Times to move forward 5 days later.

http://ecohearth.com/eco-blogs/guest-blog/1453-brooklyn-goose-slaughter-the-usda-kills-400-healthy-geese-in-prospect-park-in-the-dead-of-night-.html
April 1, 2011, 3:03 pm
Sean from Windsor Terrace says:
John, what part of Yea! Anne-Katrin! Yea everyone else too! Don't you get? It's not a damn competition! It's a team sport! Unbelievable.
April 1, 2011, 3:07 pm
John from Park Slope says:
YEA SEAN - I do not see Anne-Katrin as competing. She is hands on and trained to help and does without fanfare. The killings of the geese and her firsthand knowledge for years of the wildlife in Prospect Park is why she is uniquely qualified to speak out.

The media contacts her because she has the facts and refuses to compromise her ethics to get attention.

As Sgt. Friday on Dragnet used to say "Just the facts ma'am."
April 1, 2011, 3:19 pm
Sean from Windsor Terrace says:
Okay, this is going to be my last posting but I just feel like my point is getting lost. John you are saying that she only reports facts but the first line of THIS article is a criticism of others who are fighting for the SAME CAUSE. Yea Anne-Katrin for fighting the good fight! Boo Anne-Katrin for not making room for others to do the same! Okay, I'm done....
April 1, 2011, 3:24 pm
Colin from Windsor Terrace says:
I know Anne-Katrin Titze has a legion of supporters in Prospect Park who work with her to help injured animals. She also cooperates with Alliance workers and park rangers who appreciate her help.
She is well known in the park as someone who is ready to get involved when asked to.
April 1, 2011, 3:33 pm
Elizabeth from Park Slope says:
@John
"does without fanfare"

Really???? Really?

the trumpets are always ablaring.
and I ain't talking about swans.
April 1, 2011, 4:12 pm
John from Park Slope says:
Elizabeth, if only you knew how many rescues go unheralded.
The Alliance would prefer to pretend that everything is hunky-dory at the lake.
Would you prefer to keep these stories unexposed?
April 1, 2011, 4:20 pm
Laurie from Park Slope says:
Making decisions to kill or harass animals and ignoring the good common sense of park visitors must end now.
Hands Around the Lake supporters appear to be the least informed with their accusations sorely lacking context.
The attempt at rewriting history that has been documented by independent sources is a seriously flawed argument.
April 1, 2011, 6:06 pm
bklynkit from lakeside windsor terrace says:
Not nice Anne-Katrin- Hands Around the Lake brought children to get involved along with many others from the area and beyond. It
was a beautiful tribute to the geese that have died and the geese that are alive on PP Lake now.

We all should be working together!!!!!
April 1, 2011, 6:22 pm
Voice of Reason from Your Local Pond says:
Resident Canada Geese that live in urban and suburban areas can no longer be considered wild geese. They do not migrate, live protected away from other predatory animals (who participate in population control) and feed in areas that do not provide wild forage that promotes a healthy, chemical free diet.

For all intensive purposes, they are pet geese kept for the viewing pleasure of local residents.

As such, it is the responsibility of the "owners" to insure their population is controlled, they have adequate food sources, and do not pose danger to the community.

If you want the geese in your park, culling is a bi-product of ownership. If you can't stomach the job, get out of the business of keeping geese.
April 1, 2011, 6:24 pm
bklynkit from lakeside windsor terrace says:
@Laurie the people involved in organizing Hands Around the Lake are very informed. I guess it all depends on who you talk to....
April 1, 2011, 6:24 pm
Chris from Windsor Terrace says:
Best of luck to those who can only come out in a crowd to the lake. I hope to see you all this weekend when there is no one telling you how and what you should feel.
No individuals allowed is what I hear, we want only obedient followers.
April 1, 2011, 6:38 pm
Goose Guy from Windsor Terrace says:
Anne...the posts on this blog page would be much smaller if you would stop using your aliases. How many entries have you posted on this page? Self promotion doesnt fool anyone.

Bravo to all the supporters who took time out of their busy schedules to join hands in support of the beautiful creatures of God.
April 1, 2011, 6:48 pm
Shannon from Park Slope says:
All I read and saw from the reporting on Saturday was a group of people for a relatively brief amount of time showing how committed they were, snacks included.
April 1, 2011, 7:28 pm
Mike Castellano from Park Slope says:
I've been coming to Prospect Park since I was a kid in the 1950s and have always enjoyed its many resident critters. For the last ten years I have been visiting the lake photographing and getting to know many of the regulars there, including some of the geese.

When I visited the lake one day last year and found no geese I was horrified to find out what had happened. Had I know of this in advance I would have been there to try to stop it.

Anne is doing great work and I stand ready to work with any individual or group to stop such senseless slaughters in the future.

Here's a photo I took of gosling that grew up there only to likely perish last year along with most of the other park geese:
http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=2328057
April 1, 2011, 7:36 pm
Adele from Park Slope says:
How could ANYONE undermine the efforts of the sincere people who organized such a beautiful event?



I am shocked that the Brooklyn Paper would give any credence to Anne-Katrin, a person who is constantly singing her own praises and undermining the efforts of others. I don’t believe for a minute that all the comments praising the piece were written by different people. I believe they were submitted by Anne-Katrin herself, using aliases. The editor can – and should – check the IP addresses to see if they are the same (probably all from the library at Grand Army Plaza), and then delete all the bogus ones. When I first met Anne and Ed, I thought they were sincere… until I saw that they were more interested in credit and publicity than they are about helping animals. She does not work well with others and is only interested in seeing her name in print … and her boyfriend just enables her and reinforces her delusions (both paranoid and grandiose). It’s a shame, too, because she did do some good work – like removing some fish hooks and line from the wildlife. It’s just a shame she refuses to work with others because she wants to shine as the sole rescuer in Prospect Park. Many others (like some of the 200 people who were at the event) do wildlife rescue and rehab on a regular basis without the fanfare and self-promotion.



Thank you to the wonderful people who organized and participated in the Hands Around the Lake event. They showed what teamwork is about and helped to raise the consciousness of the public.
April 1, 2011, 8:08 pm
Walter from Kensington says:
The ganging up mentally would be better used to deal with the issues listed above. One can only hope that those involved with hands around the lake speak out in opposition to the abuses instead of trying to court favor with one another.
April 1, 2011, 8:12 pm
Rina Deych, RN from Boro Park says:
I am deeply saddened that anyone would attempt to undermine the sincere efforts of Mary Beth and almost two hundred people who raised consciousness and brought attention to this issue. Why would anyone try to sabotage the efforts of others trying to help? We need to work together, even if we don’t agree on tactics and approaches. We can all agree that the geese need to be protected. We should be putting aside our differences for the sake of the animals.
April 1, 2011, 8:22 pm
Edita Birnkrant from Queens says:
As NY Director of Friends of Animals, I spoke at the Hands Around the Lake event representing our long-standing position of opposing harassment and population control policies towards geese and other wildlife, in addition
to opposing the killing policy. I think it was important for the community to have this event, and I'm glad I was a part of it.
I do agree with Anne-Katrin that the Wildlife Management Advisory
Committee is on the ~wrong~ path with handling the Canada geese in Prospect Park, and we need more advocates to work together to promote truly tolerant policies for our wildlife. It's completely unreasonable for a 585-acre park to claim that we need to destroy/oil eggs and frighten & chase away the geese that live there--and if advocates give credibility to such nonsense, then we are complicit in the end result. There are in no way "too many" geese in PP--and we need to repeat this loud & clear, over & over again until it sinks in.
April 2, 2011, 9 am
Edita Birnkrant-PART 2 from Queens says:
Part of what I spoke about at Hands Around the Lake was that the end
result of invasive & traumatic population-control methods such as egg
destruction, the use of hazing dogs, etc--is parks emptied of geese and other wildlife.
I also noted that when humans attempt to destroy or addle eggs & disturb
nests, geese do everything in their power to defend their eggs & goslings.

Not only the mothers defend & protect eggs & babies; geese parents care
for babies together for prolonged periods. These displays of emotional
intelligence complement the wisdom that enables them to adapt & flourish
despite the best efforts of humans to terrorize & slaughter them at every
turn.
The only way this issue will have a positive outcome is if we all work
together to make it happen, with as much kindness & respect towards each other as we are advocating for the geese

Edita Birnkrant
Queens
April 2, 2011, 9:01 am
Laurence from 11th says:
This is as bizarre discussion. Don't you see she's doing a favour with provocative criticism? I worked with Anne-Katrin together in Paris and she is super-great to work with. Look what is in her text! She makes you more aware.
April 2, 2011, 9:50 am
bklynkit from lakeside windsor terrace says:
negativity only brings more negativity.....
anne-katrin should be ashamed of herself.
did she even attend "Hands around the Lake"? I hightly doubt it otherwise she would have seen people from all walks of life together for the cause of the geese and all urban wildlife, not just themselves.
April 2, 2011, 10:35 am
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Thank you, Edita for reminding us what the real battles are here.

Folks, we who advocate for the geese cannot afford to spend time criticizing and attacking each other!

Let's remember that when geese fly, the geese in the back honk encouragement to those in the front.

When the lead geese tire, other geese take over.

This is how geese are able to migrate thousands of miles, despite human targeting, challenges of nature and squabbles with each other when on the ground.

It is their organization and cooperation with each other in flight that enables them to survive.

We too, need to learn to work and cooperate together in order to reach the destination of this journey: That of saving our beloved geese.
April 2, 2011, 10:43 am
Val Traina from Denver says:
I used to live on Plaza Street East, and took my dogs to Prospect Park often. I loved to watch all of the wildlife. Although I moved away, my dear friends, who live close to the park and use it daily, have kept me abreast of the trials and tribulations of the geese. I was horrified to learn through Rina Deych, that the geese had been gassed last year, and that there was a good chance it would happen again this year, unless people rose up and make a stink. People did band together, for the most part, and the Hands Around the Lake event attracted a good deal of media attention, which is necessary to win this fight in favor of the geese. So, I congratulate the group on their presentation to the public, and I disagree with Ms. Titze that it was somehow a waste of time. I've been advocating for animals since the 1980s, and I know very well that successful campaigns contain more than one strategy.
April 2, 2011, 4:20 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Let me try to understand this:

Last year they gassed the surplus geese.

Now there are geese again.

Conclusion: There is no shortage of geese.

Gas away = we still have too many of this intrusive species displacing the native water fowl.
April 2, 2011, 9:58 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Or from Yellow: "We still have too many of this intrusive species displacing the native water fowl."

I agree that we have too many intrusive humans on the planet. But, we are not only displacing fowl on the water, but also, fishing out the oceans, blowing birds out the skies, slaughtering animals on land and driving thousands of species to near or actual extinction.

Although I would not support gassing of this intrusive species, population control of humans is desperately needed for the health and ultimate survival of the planet.
April 3, 2011, 2:28 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Patty, Intrusive humans on the planet? You sound like you are endorsing genocide.

Who are you going to control first?
April 3, 2011, 10:01 am
Pauline from Yonkers says:
I can’t believe any so-called animal rescuer would bad-mouth other people trying to help animals.
Many people I personally know have rescued countless animals in (and out of) Prospect Park – quietly, without seeking publicity. I don’t see other rescuers trying to undermine each other. All animal rescuers should work together & support each other instead of criticize.
April 3, 2011, 12:13 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Pauline it because their goose is cooked!
April 3, 2011, 12:22 pm
Pauline from Yonkers says:
Agree with Patty. Human overpoplulation is the cause of a lot of problems - global warming, world hunger, shortage of housing....shortage of everything, too much of this and that, etc.
April 3, 2011, 1:32 pm
Rina Deych, RN from Boro Park says:
The only species decimating this planet are humans … the so-called “intelligent” ones. Shame on our species for their anthropocentricity, destructiveness, and selfishness. If we don’t learn to adopt a more humble attitude in relation to the rest of nature, we will not only destroy all the other species, but we will destroy the planet and ourselves in the process.
April 3, 2011, 3:40 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Or: No, I am not endorsing any kind of genecide.

Rather, am simply promoting human birth control.

You know what that is, don't you?

Aspirin held between the knees.
April 3, 2011, 5:20 pm
David K from Ditmas Park says:
What is AK's problem? Patty, I agree with everything you have said here.

Hands Around the Lake was a beautiful event, which reunited the community and reinspired our activism at a time when it is now needed the most, spring and summer are around the corner and the geese who live here are under siege.

Government policies of removing species "invasive" to protect community and business interests are long standing, only this time, it happened in the backyard of people who didn't ask for it, people who considered the deceased geese friends and neighbors.

If we have any chance of the USDA not coming back to PP this summer its because we make enough of a stink about it that bloomberg decides to call of the "expert" advice he has been recieving.
April 3, 2011, 10:32 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
Thanks, David.

The geese are indeed under siege, not just in NY, but all over.

It is vital that we address the utterly false allegations against the geese, one of which, (as you point out) is that they are "invasive."

I in fact, addressed this and other lies about the geese in my blog entry of today: "Just Another Day in Crazy Town": http://talesamptailsofnewyork.blogspot.com/
April 4, 2011, 9:06 am
Voice of Reason from Your Local Pond says:
The replies here, as in ANY wildlife management debate, are wrought with misinformation and a disregard for science.

Despite the passionate responses and need to personify human qualities people continue to ignore the basics:

1) Man's encroachment into the wild disrupts natural life cycles and the balance of predator prey relationships. In the absence of predators, survival of the fittest is removed from the formula -- creating a genetically weaker species

2) Park Grass, laden with herbicides and pesticides is not a well-balanced, nutritional diet for geese. Public feeding of geese in a concentrated area can lead to Avian cholera outbreaks.

3) The controlled park environment does not allow for the proper breakdown of goose excrement. Geese DO NOT understand the concept of population control. Disease is nature's control point. It is inevitable if the population is left unchecked.

PattyA -- in the wilds of the Prairie Pothole Region of the US and Canada, geese are under siege every day. Fox, raccoons, skunks and snakes prey on their eggs throughout the nesting season. Raptors, coyote and fox prey and even large fish like pike prey on goslings and larger sick geese.

In the absence of those controls MAN MUST step in to insure the natural balance is maintained.

Sure, we'd all like to give the beautiful geese a big loving hug, but nobody wants to take responsibility for the hard jobs.
April 4, 2011, 1:51 pm
Margaret Lisbon from Cadman Plaza West says:
@Voice of reason-
BINGO! Yes, man's encroachment in the wild is what this is about.

Let us not forget that it is humans who created the "conservation success" story of the Canada Geese by almost wiping them out in the early 1900's and then years later repopulating these birds into the very areas they are now being chased away from.

We are not talking about the Prairie Potholes of the US and Canada where they are naturally preyed upon by coyotes, foxes, etc. We are limiting the habitats of these animals as well.

Bottom line is solutions do not have to include inhumanely gassing an animal nor is "managing a population to extinction"

GASSING IS TORTURE and there are alternatives.
April 4, 2011, 3:02 pm
Mark from Park Slope says:
Funny, or not so funny, the lakeside is a shambles and it is not from the geese. Perhaps, Voice of Reason from Your Local Pond could tell us why the trees are dying, stonework is in the lake, garbage floats along the bank uncollected and so much more neglect.
Prospect Park is out of control in so many ways and you concentrate your prose with the rhetoric "MAN MUST step in to insure the natural balance is maintained." when it comes to the geese.
Is there a controlled environment at Prospect Park Lake and who is controlling it? Please tell us who we should blame for the ongoing deterioration. I know not too many people are going to blame birds of any feather for this serious inability to confront the real issues.
April 4, 2011, 4:55 pm
PattyA from Manhattan says:
@ Voice of Reason:

You are right that in the normal balance of nature, foxes and coyotes would prey on geese.

However, "Wildlife Services" (USDA) also kills hundreds of thousands of foxes and coyotes every year, thereby severely lowering their populations.

Is this your idea of "management?"

First we kill the predators and then we kill their prey?"

As for your claim that the geese overpopulate beyond what is good for the environment, we could say the same for humans. What is your solution for human overpopulation?

From what I have observed in geese and ducks, they don't in fact, overpopulate their environment (unless trying to adapt to predation.)

Only two pairs of mated geese produced young in all of Central Park last year.

And at both Turtle Pond and Harlem Meer last year, only two mallards produced ducklings at the pond and three at the larger Harlem Meer, despite many mallards being at both locations.

Animals seem to know better how to regulate their populations (when left alone) to fit their environment than do humans.
April 4, 2011, 9:17 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Sure, we'd all like to give the beautiful geese a big loving hug, but in all likelyhood they would attack us.

Fixed it for ya.

Hugging wild animals? These are not the kind made by Walt Disney - just ask Timmy Treadwell, the bear's lunch!
April 4, 2011, 10:09 pm
PattyA from Manhttan says:
Wow, Or from Yellow Hook.

What a crock.

If the geese are so good at "attacking" people then how is it 368 of them were able to be rounded up and trucked to Kennedy Airport for gassing last year?

The biggest problem with the geese is that they have become too trustworthy of humans.

That could be their ultmate downfall and actually was one grizzy July morning last year at PP.
April 4, 2011, 10:43 pm
Eileen from Windsor Terrace says:
Yes, Anne-Katrin, take your own advice and "don't just stand there." Why don't ** YOU ** organize an action to help the geese. Oh, wait a minute, right, it's because you are too busy criticizing others (and getting yourself media attention) to network with them.
We need major actions to help these geese and prevent another annihilation. Maybe you should get off your high horse, stop trying to shine as the sole heroine of Prospect Park, and work with the rest of us.

As an aside, while feeding the geese is a sweet and enjoyable activity for children and many others, it's counterproductive for the geese because a) it teaches them to trust humans too much (which gets them hurt more easily when unscrupulous humans approach them) and b) it causes them to forget how to forage for themselves. Left alone, they are very quite capable of finding food and surviving by themselves. One of the first things you learn as a wildlife rehabilitator is to leave wildlife alone.
April 5, 2011, 8:15 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Maybe we could get the geese to an all you can eat fest like this:

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/14/24_brooklynbeefsteak_2011_4_8_bk.html

I think white wine would be better than beer though.

What a great fund raiser this could be! All you can eat goose!
April 7, 2011, 11:45 am
Paul from Park Slope says:
Now you are finally getting to the point Or not.
The geese of Prospect Park are not going to be put on anyone's dinner table because of the environmentally poor conditions at the lake. I hope you, Or, are not catching and eating fish out of the only lake in Brooklyn.
It isn't catch-and-release to be kind to the wildlife, it is because the lake is an unhealthy body of water due to the abuses by humans and the severe lack of commitment of resources by those in charge.
April 7, 2011, 2:16 pm
Jennifer from Windsor Terrace says:
I have never seen Ms. Artz in Prospect Park and claiming to complain is all I see from her few, uninformed supporters. Showing up one day in Prospect Park as a bunch for a photo op does not impress anyone.
April 9, 2011, 7:05 am
Richard from Kensington says:
It is never good practice to abuse wildlife and act as if it is for their own good. This form of self-deception will weaken an already fragile relationship nature has within Prospect Park.
April 11, 2011, 5:23 pm
Rina Deych, RN from Boro Park says:
** To the BK Paper: Someone made a suggestion to check the origins of the postings. I believe that should be done. To * "Jennifer" * from Windsor Terrace: you are not fooling anyone. I know you think everybody is an idiot except you. There is only one person who is speaking out against Ms. Artz, and most of us in the animal advocacy community know who that person is. Ms. Artz' "few uninformed supporters" are a) very well informed and b) doing everything they can think of to stop another goose massacre. What, may I ask, are YOU doing (besides criticizing)? **
April 17, 2011, 6:21 am
delphine from paris says:
Anne-Katrin is a wonderful person. You americans are very strange with birds and lovely humans also...
July 26, 2011, 2:57 pm

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