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Neighbors of a soon-to-open Greenwood Heights beer garden have long-brewing fears about the outdoor drinking destination — mainly because getting in touch with the venue’s owners is harder than getting the attention of a busy bartender during happy hour, critics say.

Greenwood Park will soon begin serving brews under the stars on 19th Street and Seventh Avenue — but its operators have not scheduled any meetings with the civic group that can play an advisory role in liquor license applications.

Community Board 7 district manager Jeremy Laufer says the owners of Greenwood Park haven’t reached out to his group to discuss permits for drinking, live music, and dancing, and when the civic watchdogs tried to contact the owners to check the plans, they got no response.

The group’s stance on the bar won’t make or break Greenwood Park’s chances at a liquor license — the State Liquor Authority makes the final ruling, and prospective bar owners are not required to gain community board approval or even appear before a neighborhood committee. But the perceived lack of responsiveness has raised warning flags for some neighbors, who worry the nightlife operators will lure a rowdy crowd, then go missing when it comes time to deal with the aftermath.

“There’s going to be a whole bunch of drunk guys walking down the street — we’re worried about noise and safety,” said neighbor Jerry Simon. “Why not make yourself available and have a discussion about it?”

Some bar critics are hoping to force that discussion by storming an upcoming civic meeting to protest the 700-seat beer garden and outdoor concert hall, which is slated to feature a bandshell for music, a bonfire, and 40 beers on draft.

Greenwood Park co-owner Ted Mann — who happens to be the son of gun-slinging power-rocker Ted Nugent — didn’t respond to calls and e-mails seeking comment.

His business partner Michael Esposito said the venue should open in a month.

“We’re just taking care of a couple more things,” Esposito said.

Mann is no newcomer to dining and nightlife — he owns the popular neighborhood spots Cubana Social in Williamsburg, No Name Bar in Greenpoint, and Gold Coast deli in Bay Ridge.

Considering his track record, Greenwoodsmen are hoping for the best.

“I’ve heard some concerns — but I’ve also heard some positive things, too,” Laufer said.

Reach reporter Natalie O'Neill at noneill@cnglocal.com or by calling her at (718) 260-4505.

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KC from Park Slope says:
Prillis,

Originally I wasn't too concerned about the opening of a beer garden on my block, but now seeing what kind of classy people this establishment will host I am having a change of heart. Thank you for apparently validating JS's concerns. Please find another block to pee on.
April 30, 2012, 2:08 pm
hs from park slope says:
obviously Prillis has peed on herself enough and has to resort to peeing on other people. go to queens if you want a damn beer garden.
April 30, 2012, 2:49 pm
Arc from Greenwoodheights says:
The place looks awesome! Bocce court, lots of seating and trees. I can't wait! Naysayers, move to the suburbs if you don't like it!
April 30, 2012, 4:37 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
It will take a drunk chick getting raped near the cemetery at 2am while she can still hear the band play which is muffling her screams for help before intelligent minds come together to realize that a 8000 foot beer garden with live music open till god knows when next to a highway, a bunch of schools, in a residential neighborhood, next to an AA meeting place is a bad idea...I feel bad for whoever that drunk chick will inevitably be..
April 30, 2012, 5:10 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
You should just park yourself in a retirement home, now Anon from nearby. People like you are exactly why they have Montclair, NJ. You sound like a real jackass too. Someone who always looks at the bright sad, that's for SURE!!!

I have a feeling this is going to be such a fun place. No reason to think this will be any more dangerous than anywhere else. They have beer gardens in deserted parts of Williamsburg and Bushwick and everything seems just fine. Have you ever been to rural areas, Anon? There are lots of trees and quiet areas near rest stops along every highway in America. I don't think girls should drive because they might go to quiet rest stops and get raped!!

Lord, you sound like a crazy person I must say. This place to go kick back and have a beer sounds great to me. What was there before? Auto body shop? I hope no girls ever went by there looking to get their car fixed!
April 30, 2012, 5:25 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
And btw, if heaven for bid, some lost soul does run into trouble near Greenwood Cemetery, I guarantee you, this beer garden will not be faulted (nor should it) and it will continue to operate despite your irrational fears. You sound like an old granny.
April 30, 2012, 5:26 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Drunk people driving in a residential neighborhood next to a highway --- nope, no cause for concern there ---

live music till all hours of the night when people who work for a living try to sleep nearby...nope no cause for concern there..

4 schools near the garden, one being a high school with after school programs that run until 8-9pm, well into the drinking hour...nope no cause for concern...

AA meetings which take place ACROSS THE STREET...nope no cause for concern there..

Ed - you don't care as much because you don't live NEARBY - why don't you try coming home from work and trying to find a spot for your car but you can't because 700 people have swarmed to come drink?

Or worrying that your 6 year old girl riding her bike back and forth up the block will overhear normal drunk conversation which includes cursing etc..I'm sure your daughter would LOVE that - lets schedule a play-date!
April 30, 2012, 5:33 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
Yep, definitely no highways near residential in oh ALL OF AMERICA!!!

Dummy.

You need to be medicated, bud. You are really off your rocker. Literally, it sounds like.
April 30, 2012, 6 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
1. School is out of session by 3pm. Most people drink beer in the evening. On weekends, when the majority of people go to places like this, school is not in session.

2. You have no idea what time the music will play till. It has not been said. Anything you say so far is made up.

3. If people can't walk by a beer garden to get to AA, how do they walk at all since every block in NYC has a bar or liquor store or 7-11 or grocery store. ALL OF WHICH HAVE ALCOHOL. Do they walk in bubbles to get to their AA meetings?

I live 2 blocks from this and I CAN NOT WAIT!!!
April 30, 2012, 6:01 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
4. I hear people curse on every block in NYC, not just in beer gardens. You have an irrational fear of this place and you need help!
April 30, 2012, 6:02 pm
Ed from Sunset Park says:
5. Why would a 6 year old be riding their bike around a beer garden at night?

Why would she be riding near a highway?

And why would you let her ride near formerly drunk people on their way to AA!!!???
April 30, 2012, 6:04 pm
Aaron Brashear from Greenwood Heights says:
I'm glad Natalie called CB7 to get the scoop on the liquor and cabaret licenses. And I'm sure, in fact I know, there are folks on both side of the fence on the idea of such a large establishment in the neighborhood. Ultimately, as I told Natalie (which did not make the cut) that most folks can't really pass judgement until the place opens. And it does not hurt that one of the partners lives in the neighborhood.

I will say I'm still not a fan of the walls, but the rest of the place looks very interesting. I hope they embrace the community before they open. That will guarantee them a built-in clientele from day 1.

I will say the BP may be reaching a bit on this one, but we all luv ya for trying.

Aaron Brashear
"Mayor of Greenwood Heights" (as coined by BP)
Brooklyn Community Board 7 member
Co-founder, Concerned Citizens of Greenwood Heights
April 30, 2012, 6:09 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Ed you have it all wrong - its not why a 6 year old would bike near a beer garden at night -- its why anyone would put a beer garden near 6 year olds biking up and down residential blocks in the evenings which define their childhood -- but instead of nice memories - she will remember drunken ramblings from Ed from Sunset Park as he drinks on with friends in the cage of a fence this "art-neuvo" beer garden put up...enjoy your rec-time in the prison.
April 30, 2012, 6:39 pm
JBOB says:
Cant wait until it opens. After party at Natalie and Anons.
April 30, 2012, 6:47 pm
Jasmine from south slope says:
i pick my daughter up from after school program every day at 5 o clock and on wed shes there til 6:30 for basketball practice. now i gotta rush to get there extra early to make sure nobody strays away from the beer garden and gets rowdy right across by her school. its not a little bar or cafe. 700 adults drinking across from a school and playing loud music is something to think about. these kids are young and at a very influential age. if you had kids you would be concerned also.
April 30, 2012, 6:55 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Hey Mayor -- BP reaching?? Weren't you the one who posted this last year??

"Even worse, there are nightly AA meetings held in a building about 100 feet from this place."

I completely forgot about that one. Add it to the list.

Listen, Mann and his partners have every right to open their biz, period (which i mentioned to this writer, but was not printed.

It just would seem prudent to vett the ins-and-outs of the new biz, serving 700 folks (!) before you open your doors. Parking, hours of operation, how to deal with noise, late night overflow into the side streets, etc.

Mann should not (and will not) ask for permission, it's just a quick Q&A with the neighborhood.

I do not believe it it too much to ask. It has been done before, GPH in April.

I do not think the community, even the fact it may be a great addition, is asking too much to ask a few questions. he took time out of his plumbing schedule to talk to this paper and a few blogs, why not take the same 15 mins to meet at CB7 with the community?

I guess I'm crazy for wanting to have a chat with my new, very large, neighbor.
April 30, 2012, 7:13 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
So you truly believe there will be 700 people drinking here at 6:30 on Wednesdays???? You people are LOONEY BiNS!!!!!

I do have a child and I don't let him ride near here because of the highway. You let Your 6 year Old ride alone near here??? shame on you. This is the perfect spot for a beer garden. Absolutely perfect.
April 30, 2012, 7:16 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
Omg children might hear MUSIC!!!! Call the child police now! No music for children PLEASE!!!

This is not a city, it's Kansas! No one should be allowed to drink, curse or listen to music! This is NYC, the sleepiest village in AMerica. NO FUN ALLOWED!! Just make sure you don't let your kids see people walking to AA, they might get drunk too!!! And god please create more earths so the only place to bike ride isn't the intersection of 7th and 19th and the HIGHWAY!!!!!!
April 30, 2012, 7:22 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Ed you are missing the point and trivializing the issue - there are people in this neighborhood that like the quiet of the area - not everyone is a hipster in their twenties --

Who knows, maybe the beer garden will be respectful and play music only until 9pm, and it wont be that loud -- maybe people wont yell and curse and fight and walk the streets drunk peeing and loitering - who knows...but...

The more likely scenario is...people will act belligerently and it will interfere with our lives...even yours...

You might sing a different tune a few weeks from now...especially if you have trouble parking your car...

Maybe you wont...but maybe you will...try to open your mind to other peoples wants/concerns..

I completely get that a beer garden is a fun place and a welcome addition to the neighborhood....try to get some of my points too..that maybe some parts of it arent such a good idea..
April 30, 2012, 7:44 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
THIS BAR THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, HOW LONG IT WILL STAY OPEN, NOR WHAT TYPE OF MUSIC OR AT WHAT TIMES BUT THIS IS THE END! THE END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE END OF THE WORLD MAYBE. ALL CHILDREN WILL BE RUN OVER AND ALL GIRLS WITHIN A MILE RADIUS WILL BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED. DO NOT GO NEAR THIS BEER GARDEN IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE, THE LIVES OF ALL CHILDREN AND ESPECIALLY WOMEN.

GREENWOOD PARK IS THE REAL WAR ON WOMEN! FEAR IT AND FEAR ALL ALCOHOL AND ANY FUN WHATSOEVER!!!! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT OPEN THIS REALLY FUN BAR FOR US ON A FORMER AUTO GARAGE! PLEASE KEEP IT ABANDONED FOREVER UNTIL SOMEONE SELLING BABY TOYS MOVES IN! MAYBE A TOYS R US!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
April 30, 2012, 7:58 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
THIS "OUTDOOR BEER GARDEN HOLDING 700 PEOPLE THAT OCCUPIES 8000 SQUARE FEET AND WILL HAVE NIGHTLY LIVE MUSIC"

not INDOOR BAR.

FIXED THAT FOR YOU...
April 30, 2012, 8:05 pm
Brian from Park Slope says:
Having bought a condo across the street less than two years ago, I'm not particularly thrilled with the addition. You try putting kids to sleep with added noise, let alone a concert venue. Let's just hope that you won't be able to hear too much outside the confines of that visual atrocity of a fence.
April 30, 2012, 9:21 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
You bought a condo across from an auto body shop and now you're complaining that a brand new beer garden filled with bocce court, trees, shrubs and reclaimed benches and fence has been added!!! What are you, NUTS?!?! Stick some ear plugs in that child because your property value is about to go up 10%!!! Whatever you do, DON'T let your kid ride your bike or see people who might be going to AA! This neighborhood is crawling with sexual predators circling the cemetery waiting for this beer garden to open and wreak HAVOC ON THE WORLD!!!!!!! Please just let this be a Walmart or Starbucks and not a beer garden with ALCOHOL and people screaming bloody murder as they do when having a beer or two!!!!!!! I know when I get a coupla beers under my belt, I go out and rent a car, try to roll over 6 year olds who are riding their bikes on the highway at 9pm!!!!!! And if I have 4 beers, look OUT cause I get freakin' CRAZY and start screaming and howling and running through the streets naked looking for people on their way to AA meetings!!!!!!!
April 30, 2012, 9:45 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
While we are at it Ed - lets put a pawn shop next door...a casino around the corner....and a strip club on the 2nd floor...you'll be right at home.
April 30, 2012, 9:50 pm
Lisa from southslope says:
The fact that you would liken a beer garden to a casino or pawn shop or strip club just goes to show how completely irrational you really are. You are the classic Park Slope nutso NIMBY. Can't even think straight you're so uptight.
April 30, 2012, 9:55 pm
Vasily from Gestapo says:
Ed from Sunrise park , you are funny chupakabra
April 30, 2012, 10:04 pm
Brian from Park Slope says:
Ed, Ear plugs? Thanks for the parenting advice, but I'll pass. My property value is going up? And who exactly is going to buy it? The local hipsters that want to live across from music venue? Working professionals with a family won't get all starry eye'd over the prospects of living across the street from a beer garden. And most people who would probably can't afford it. But again, let's just stay optimistic that it's not too loud.
April 30, 2012, 10:21 pm
Old dude from hipsterville says:
People pay huge amounts of money in Wiliamsburg to be surrounded by beer gardens, music venues and bars and restaurants. The prices in Williamsburg have now surpassed Park Slope, because everyone in PS goes to bed at 8pm and doesn't want anything but baby yoga studios and stroller parking stores. People make fun of Park Slope for exactly the reactions from anon and Brian here. Young FUN people (not people with sticks up their anuses) with money move to neighborhoods BECAUSE they have places like this, not in spite of them. Maybe you can sell your place to someone with a personality who will like this place instead of people who —— and moan about anything that doesn't include baby onesies and pacifiers.
April 30, 2012, 10:43 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
All fun and games until you hear the sounds of bad music outside your window when you are unwinding from a long day....

or being woken up at 3am by the shriek from a drunk chick yelling into her phone...

or the group of 5 or so passersbys walking toward the train shouting and yelling knocking over your garbage cans because it looks like fun as they walk...

then they pee on your stairs, leave bottles and junk on your property...and if your lucky, you might find a few shagging in their car outside your window as you look outside to see what the noise is!
April 30, 2012, 10:50 pm
Oldtime Brooklyn from Slope says:
Stray Cat Blues mmmhmmm
April 30, 2012, 11:14 pm
Oldtime Brooklyn from Slope says:
Stray Cat Blues mmmhmmm
April 30, 2012, 11:14 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
Anon STOP IT you are too much fun!!!!! Is your wife a nun???!! Dude you need to RE-LAX (and maybe take an exlax!!) do you even HEAR yourself?!? You sound BAT—— KERZYPANTS!!!!! There are bars all along 5th avenue and Smith street and 100 other streets and that is what we call LIVING!!!!! If you wanted to hear DEAD SILENCE every minute of the day, why in HOLY GOD did you move to the largest city in NORTH AMERICA?!?? Are the voices in your head keeping you up all night and you're afraid that drunk chick effing in some random car is going to interrupt your same personality and make you realize what a total NUTBALL you are?! Are you concerned your wife will ask you to use BROOM you have stuck up your butthole to sweep up the used condoms which will no doubt be piling up like LEAVES once this BEER GARDEN opens up?!!!
April 30, 2012, 11:42 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
At least the urine soaked stairs might help to keep your 6 year old little girl from leaving the house at midnight for a solo bike ride around 7th ave and the HIGHWAY on the corner of 19th street!! MAYBE the smell of pee will remind the AA folks of their drunk days and encourage them to continue on the path to sobriety!! See, we NEED this beer GARDEN to help the drunks!!! Without the beer garden, there will be too many AA members falling off the wagon and trying to sexually molest girls who want to check out the graves in the cemetery after consuming a beer!!! I can't WAIT to hop that 8 foot spiked fence once I get a little bombed from that beer garden as hang with the 6 year old bikers, drunk chicks screwing frat dudes and very sober AA members who hate the smell of human piss.
April 30, 2012, 11:49 pm
JBOB says:
Anon,

Stop watching Rent. Just stop.
May 1, 2012, 7:31 am
Anon from Nearby says:
I don't really have to worry about you Ed - you are clearly not old enough to drink..

Now go back to yelling at people in your Call of Duty clan..
May 1, 2012, 8:33 am
Griff from Greenwood/Windsor says:
Glad to see the article and someone taking notice to this. Was thrilled to see the # of comments, until I read them and realized this became an on-line name calling free for all.

I live 500 feet from this place. I love biergartens, and bars and music halls and that whole scene. I head out to queens quite often throw back a brew and chill or sometimes a little local bar jumping on smith st. Then I come home and mellow in my nice quiet apartment. I chose this area purposely to stay out of the mainstream busy section. If I wanted a party in my yard I'd invite friends over.

For those of you who don't live in throwing distance, imagine have a tenant moving down the street that will draw large crowds - rowdy crowds at that, because their serving liquor/bier - and playing loud music until late at night.

I'm all for drinking - but not all of us can control ourselves and I'd prefer not having drunk kids in the 21-25yo range staggering down the street.

I'm all for music - but not when I'm trying to sleep, or just want to watch some tele for a bit. And what if they play some punk ass ——? I don't want to spend my weekends listening to some ghetto music or worse whiney starving artist garbage.

When I leave a bar or a biergarten - I don't bring it home with me. SMH
May 1, 2012, 9:55 am
Larry from Two Blocks Away says:
I think the place looks great and I'm looking forward to it opening.

Its pretty far from the subway, I think it will be struggle to get 100 people there on one night let alone 700.

Their are other bars in the area and I have lived across the street from a bars before in other neighborhoods, but I have never encountered the parade of horrors that have been listed above (ie - pee on steps, tipping of garbage cans and shagging outside your window).

I think the arguments about proximity to the schools are flawed. There are bars on 4th, 5th and 7th avenues in Park Slope very close to schools (there are bars close to schools all over the city), and they don't appear to be causing the problems feared above.

I think the owner should speak with the community to address its concerns.

I think the outdoor live music is a bad idea. Right now it looks like a nice place to have a nice relaxing pint with a friend while you sit under a tree or roll some Bocce. A blaring hipster indy band would seem to defeat that purpose.
May 1, 2012, 10:01 am
prillis says:
i cannot wait to get drunk raped by corrupted 6 year olds who were never able to get a good nights rest on anon's vomit covered stoop.
May 1, 2012, 10:17 am
Ed from Sunset park says:
prillis, you just MADE ME SNORT!!!!!

Larry has some REASON in his post!! Thank you guys for the laughs, let's all meet up SOON AT THIS beer GARDEN and find some hot cemetery chicks to bang on a pee soaked stoop while 6...oh nevermind. let's just have a couple beers and listen to coldplay!!! summer 2012 AT greenwood park or BUST!!!!!
May 1, 2012, 10:43 am
culprit from Greenwood says:
The fact that it's the son of Ted Nugent is reason enough to oppose this place. Gonna be a haven for gun-toting Teabaggers and REALLY BAD music.
May 2, 2012, 10:26 am
Olga from SouthSlope says:
You don't judge someone by their parents. We are individuals. I would guess Mann is as ashamed of his father as most of us are. You don't drag down others because one person is ignorant. That just makes you ignorant too.
May 2, 2012, 11:11 am
Olga from SouthSlope says:
You don't judge someone by their parents. We are individuals. I would guess Mann is as ashamed of his father as most of us are. You don't drag down others because one person is ignorant. That just makes you ignorant too.
May 2, 2012, 11:11 am
Jon from Park Slope says:
I have never seen a child on a bike anywhere near 7th avenue and 19th street. There are never children playing anywhere near that intersection. There are never any people doing anything in that area. I live on 18th street. I feel bad for anyone who recently bought a condo across from the garden, but it was a gamble. Closer to the cemetery would have been a safer bet. Maybe all of the visitors to the area will now force Bear Glass to clean some of the shards of glass off the sidewalk. A more likely danger for any children on bikes, or dog paws.
May 2, 2012, 12:30 pm
Sam from greenwood says:
The new condo across from this new beer garden is hideous and cheap looking. That should be your first problem, not the fact that you bought across from a vacant auto body shop and assumed it would stay vacant forever. Not very smart buyers (or people), whoever lives in there and is now complaining.
May 2, 2012, 12:39 pm
A neighbor from Slope says:
I don't think that's always true Sam. Think about the vacant lot, it was there for a very long time before this beer garden developer moved in.

Also, there was no way to know that the people buying the lot would turn it into an outdoor beer garden with live outdoor music events.
May 2, 2012, 1:57 pm
Catherine from Windsor Terrace says:
I think this place looks great, and I can't wait until it opens! As far as locations go for this type of establishment, it would be difficult to find a location LESS residential. It is bordered on three sides by:
1. Prospect Expressway
2. Car Wash
3. Greenwood Cemetery

Sure, there is a stretch of homes on one side, but this is NYC for goodness' sake. Buyer beware, always--one never knows what might become your newest neighbor in this ever-changing city. To argue that this excellent new place, which will bring jobs and entertainment and social opportunities shouldn't happen because a handful of residents don't like it is absurd. I suspect these same folks complained when the condo was built.

Looking forward to meeting you, Greenwood Park!
May 2, 2012, 2:13 pm
Don't forget from The School says:
You forgot a small detail

4. Public School 88 - across the street.
May 2, 2012, 2:52 pm
Ed from Sunset park says:
SCHOOLS CLOSE AT 3PM AND ARE NOT OPEN DURING THE WEEKEND.

MOST PEOPLE DRINK AT NIGHT (AFTER 3PM) AND ON WEEKENDS!!!

HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW WHO GO TO BEER GARDENS M-F FROM 8AM-3PM?????????????
May 2, 2012, 3:28 pm
Catherine from Windsor Terrace says:
I would actually describe PS 88 as "catty-corner" rather than across the street. The overlap of time when the school and the garden are both occupied is minimal. Helpful point, since rather than being a residential block full of people who might be trying to sleep at 10 p.m., it is a block full of empty building--which won't likely be disturbed if there is any noise.
May 2, 2012, 3:33 pm
Catherine from Windsor Terrace says:
Also, re: the proprietor being Ted Nugent's son.... he just found out Ted was his father in the last couple of years. It's not like Nugent raised Mann (which I suspect Mann is grateful for on an almost-daily basis).
May 2, 2012, 4 pm
Jessica from Bay Ridge says:
I cannot believe some of the comments I am reading. How about you all go back to the suburbs. You obviously have no idea about city life. You can't come here to the greatest city in the world, and try to change it to cater you and your type of people. You come here and conform to the city. That's the way it works everywhere. If you don't like it, leave!!!!! You cannot shelter your children for the rest of your lives. They will just come out as judgemental, spoiled grown up brats, who think the world owes them everything all for the simple fact they were born.

I was born and raised in Brooklyn- "BAR" Ridge to be exact. I grew up near bars and only fell asleep the most peacefully listening to the bar noises and cars. I grew up going to get my dad at the neighborhood bar to tell him it was time to eat, who was enjoying a beer or two after work and before dinner was ready.

Park Slope people are really starting to get under my skin....they want to take away/change everything that defines NYC. for example, eliminating Mister Softee trucks....ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!?!?! ugh, I could go on....
May 2, 2012, 5:13 pm
Wallace from 1 block away says:
speak 4 urself cathrine i live really close and they ar going to play loud music all night outside its goin to SUK
May 2, 2012, 5:59 pm
jo from ps says:
Wallace, just —— a fuc up
May 2, 2012, 6:23 pm
jo from ps says:
Wallace, shot a fock up
May 2, 2012, 6:24 pm
JP from Brooklyn says:
I had to stop reading because you're all so negative, for or against, it's awful. But I'll give Ed from Sunset Park credit for one thing... he doesn't try to call the area on the other side of the Prospect Expressway "Park Slope". Thanks Ed!
May 2, 2012, 7:15 pm
Carlos from Brooklyn says:
Yo I cant wait to hit this spot up get drunk and game up some loose females

Who wit me!!
May 2, 2012, 8:36 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
evern better if dae ass is wite - sloper s eat a brn mufin or ruin the burbs
May 3, 2012, 11:41 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
evern better if dae ass is wite - sloper s eat a brn mufin or ruin the burbs
May 3, 2012, 11:41 pm
19th St resident from Greenwood Heights says:
I'm a bit late to conversation, so hopefully I've missed the name-calling. I live on the block and don't drink, but welcome the beer garden with open arms. I hope it forces CB7 to make the glass factory and carwash next door clean up their act and clean up the block! More activity means more eyes on the street. Had the neighborhood had places like this last summer the guy(s) sexually assaulting women nearby last summer would have gone elsewhere.
May 14, 2012, 5:58 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Whats wrong with the glass factory or the car wash 19th St resident?

What would you want CB7 to do to have either entity clean up its act?

I am very surprised you aren't against the outdoor concerts...or the idea that parking will become a problem with this beer garden coming in...
May 17, 2012, 11:13 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Whats wrong with the glass factory or the car wash 19th St resident?

What would you want CB7 to do to have either entity clean up its act?

I am very surprised you aren't against the outdoor concerts...or the idea that parking will become a problem with this beer garden coming in...
May 17, 2012, 11:13 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
Whats wrong with the glass factory or the car wash 19th St resident?

What would you want CB7 to do to have either entity clean up its act?

I am very surprised you aren't against the outdoor concerts...or the idea that parking will become a problem with this beer garden coming in...
May 17, 2012, 11:13 pm
Mel from South Slope says:
Wow - I'm really appalled by the way people are speaking to each other on here. It's sad to see people unable to respect others with differing opinion.

That being said, onto the beer garden. I live two blocks away and am really excited about this place. I can see how people living across the street might not be enthusiastic about an outdoor venue, but at the end of the day, this is NYC and we can never fully control our neighbors. I live in a nice building with both young adults and families, and have been bothered by neighbors cigarette smoke drifting in my windows, an incessantly screaming infant that lives above me, and someone throwing a giant party on the patio below me. These are the consequences of living in close quarters. Further, in the past year, there were a series of attacks and rapes occurring in south slope and greenwood heights for months. Personally, I think increased traffic on the streets at night makes these sorts of incidences less likely to occur, because there are more people out and about, as opposed to completely deserted streets. People should always make smart decisions about walking around alone at night, regardless of whether there is a beer garden nearby.

I'm really happy to see this area being built up with a new business. I'll personally be making my way over as soon as it opens! There's nothing better then enjoying a cold beer outside on a beautiful day.
May 19, 2012, 11:31 am
Anon from Nearby says:
http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/161815/police-investigating-park-slope-groping-incident

HAPPENED YESTERDAY!!!

MORE GROPING MORE SEXUAL ATTACKS -- BUT LOCALS SAY MAKE LOUD OUTDOOR CONCERT BEER GARDENS WHICH ARE OPEN TILL SUPER LATE --

When will people see this is a BADDDDDDD IDEA?!?

Like I said a month ago - until some pretty young thing gets raped nothing will get done....
May 24, 2012, 8:19 pm
Anon from Nearby says:
MORE RAPE THE DAY AFTER ANOTHER ATTACK:

http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/161905/police-investigate-park-slope-rape--grope-attacks

But still, putting a HUGE beer garden with open outdoor concerts till all hours of the night is a smart idea?!?
May 25, 2012, 9:42 pm
sunflower from The slope says:
The schools stay open til at least 6:30 for the after school programs.
June 2, 2012, 7:38 pm
a stone's throw from real close ironically says:
Whats funny about the "kids are close by argument" is that there will inevitably be many parents with toddlers and babies here.
June 4, 2012, 12:31 pm
neighbor from greenwood says:
there's already a bar on 6th avenue and 20th, but no one is complaining about that?

if anything, this could help with the foot traffic, since there is NOTHING over there which is why a lot of these attacks are happening in quiet streets and blocks. think about it.
June 7, 2012, 10:09 am
John from formery of Windsor Terrace says:
I grew up in this neighborhood, went to school here. I have many friends that still live in the neighborhood and frequent Farrell's regularly.

This neighborhood needs some life injected into it. All of these sexual attacks that happened last summer and the recent ones would not happen in this neighborhood if there was a presence on the streets. When i grew up here through my teen years, the streets would be packed with kids playing whiffle ball, tag, manhunt, etc. There were always families out on their stoops, now you never see this anymore. All the "real" Brooklynites have moved away and their replacements have been people like Anon complaining about every little thing possible.

I look forward to the beer garden opening and hopefully the crowds from Farrell's, the "real" Brooklyn peeps will come and have a few pints and make their presence known. Suck it Anon!!
June 10, 2012, 7 pm
20th St homeowner from Down the block says:
First, Ed sounds like an idiot.
Second, parking is already a bee-otch with the crowds not to mention the bikes chained up on anything that's nailed down and the car service traffic jam. On the other hand there's more action on that block which helps but, really, it wasn't horrible there before.

Let's just say the pub down the block and other businesses of a moderate size don't bring the kind of noise, activity and volumes a huge place like this brings so that's a concern as a person in the hood.

Lastly, just to let you know, some of the sketchy ——ers from around the way are already talking about trying to get p*ssy from the "drunk white b*tches with tattoos" when we smoke a joint on the block so keep that in mind when you go to these so called desolate areas where people live and grew up.

Have fun bier hall people's.
June 30, 2012, 8:46 pm
20th St homeowner from Down the block says:
First, Ed sounds like an idiot.
Second, parking is already a bee-otch with the crowds not to mention the bikes chained up on anything that's nailed down and the car service traffic jam. On the other hand there's more action on that block which helps but, really, it wasn't horrible there before.

Let's just say the pub down the block and other businesses of a moderate size don't bring the kind of noise, activity and volumes a huge place like this brings so that's a concern as a person in the hood.

Lastly, just to let you know, some of the sketchy ——ers from around the way are already talking about trying to get p*ssy from the "drunk white b*tches with tattoos" when we smoke a joint on the block so keep that in mind when you go to these so called desolate areas where people live and grew up.

Have fun bier hall people's.
June 30, 2012, 8:46 pm
A from E says:
everybody, please, remember to take your meds!!!
July 1, 2012, 4:21 pm
4everbrooklyn from parkslope says:
Anon..... .. wow.. U definitely sound a lil crazy... i can give you the "concerned about hearing noise on fri and sat only..cause there in no place in NYC that rocks wed, thurs, super loud music.. .i'm a dj... trust that i know. So maybe weekend u hear a lil music. That place couldnt have 700 on any day.. Unless lady gaga appeared..there.. so really..the amount of people u guys are exaggerating... 150 to 200 tops... most of them..on foot... on a weekend day.. and it brings life to parkslope.. I've been in parkslope 34 years.. i know everysingle block u guys live in... that area has been dead for the longest time... and actually.. before all u guys moved in... there were gangs...everywhere... so thanks for moving in and cleaning it up.... sad to see u r affraid.. of a lil bar/garden with some music... i can bet u havent' even been there... to judge... The worst is to judge before seeing..... and with Ed big time..i agree.. .u want quite... get the heck outta ny.. Only quite place in ny is gated community or upstate... If you thought parkslope was for Quiteness u r dead wrong.. Parkslopes nick name is Lil Manhattan... by the way i'll see u guys..there cause i'll be playing the music... wink.. Parkslope baby... oh anon... u should thank them by the way cause yes...that does..bring u r property up.. along with the new Nets Stadium... .and Redhook Piers being built .. but u wouldnt know about that.. Cause u r just Brand New to the area.... Move outta of ny folks..if you want quite.... I heard florida...has good side street for bikeriding..... oh and i think..the real rapest..is you anon.... since it's all you talk about.. i'd be careful with this guy... folks...anon the rapest...
July 24, 2012, 11:32 am
4everbrooklyn from parkslope says:
20th st homeowner... another idiot... First off who were u talking to .. that told you.... they want to get p***Y from drunk white women with tatoos...... guys a dummy.. .hey did you speak to the white women... who told you they want spaniards with tats also..... or did you speak to the black people who wanted chinese drunk women... u know always a race card somewhere.....people go to look for something... fun, relaxation, company.... now u r maddd cause they drink..and look for a lil booty here and there... .. are u a mormon.... another..one.. get outta ny... u guys...got the wrong info..... when they told you about parkslope...
July 24, 2012, 11:40 am

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