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Gounardes: I like bikes

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State Senate candidate Andrew Gounardes wants to see more bicycles in Bay Ridge — setting the wheels in motion for a showdown with Republican state Sen. Marty Golden, who opposes bike travel on major thoroughfares.

Gounardes, an attorney and member of Community Board 10’s Traffic and Transportation Committee, says he regularly cruises Southern Brooklyn on his two-wheeler and wishes that Bay Ridge’s sparse bicycle routes were linked to trendier, bike-friendly Park Slope, Cobble Hill, or Prospect Heights.

“I’d like to see the bike lanes that are better connected to the larger network,” the aspiring legislator said, pointing out that the area’s two main bike lanes on Shore and Colonial roads are barely linked to the Seventh Avenue route that feeds into Sunset Park. But the Seventh Avenue route only leads bikers to Windsor Terrace and Prospect Park South, Gounardes claims.

Improving Bay Ridge’s bicycle access would bring more business to the neighborhood, the candidate added.

“People could come here to go to a restaurant or a bar,” said Gounardes.

Yet the Eagle Scout slammed on the brakes when asked to speculate on where bike lanes should be placed, claiming that he would need to gauge Department of Transportation data and levels of community support before he would make a single suggestion for Golden’s district, which includes Dyker Heights, Bensonhurst, Manhattan Beach, and Marine Park.

Golden fought the creation of a bike lane on Bay Ridge Parkway last year and has criticized the city’s attempts to put bike lanes on major avenues.

Golden campaign spokesman Ray Riley blasted Gounardes’s lane plan, claiming that Bay Ridge couldn’t safely accommodate an increase in cycling traffic.

“Where would he like to install bike lanes to make this work — Third, Fourth, or Fifth avenue?” Riley said, referring to the neighborhood’s busiest boulevards.

Business leaders also flatlined Gounardes’s bike dreams.

“People getting dressed up and riding a bike to go to dinner?” said Fifth Avenue Business Improvement District president Jim Clark. “I just can’t see it.”

Robert Howe, the president of the Third Avenue Merchants and an avid bicyclist, was also skeptical.

“I don’t know if people would want to go to a bar and have a drink, then ride a bike back home,” he said.

Yet Councilman Vincent Gentile (D–Bay Ridge), who led the charge against a city plan to put a bike lane on Bay Ridge Parkway, defended Gounardes’s plan.

“Anything that will bring people to Bay Ridge to shop and go to restaurants is a good thing,” Gentile said. “We need all the help we can get from anywhere.”

Reach reporter Will Bredderman at (718) 260–4507 or e-mail him at wbredderman@cnglocal.com. Follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/WillBredderman
Updated 5:00 pm, June 15, 2012
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Reasonable discourse

Or from Yellow Hook says:
By all means, tie more streets in knots for bikers to blow lights, intimidate pedestrians, and ride on the sidewalk when they want.

Let's catch up to Amsterdam and reward a crowd that flaunts the conventions of civility because they are saving the earth !
June 15, 2012, 7:10 am
Dom from Bayridge says:
cmon. Another ridiculous piece by BD. gounardes and golden really have an interesting campaign going down here and this is how you choose to intro it?

get out of our neighborhood or start writing about what matters to us, not whatever zinger you can get.
June 15, 2012, 8:12 am
S from PPW says:
I own a car, but wouldn't drive to Bay Ridge because parking is a pain all over Brooklyn - it's not worth it to move my car just to go to dinner when I can eat nearby my house.

I live near Prospect Park and if there was a safe way to ride my bike to Bay Ridge and get home I'd be more likely to go there for dinner or to check out the neighborhood.

Bike lanes are good for business. Golden's spokesperson is dead wrong.
June 15, 2012, 8:42 am
S from PPW says:
By the way, I've been to dinner in Bay Ridge. People don't get that dressed up.
June 15, 2012, 8:50 am
Matt from East Village says:
Oh, please, BID dude. YES, people will get dressed up and ride their bikes to dinner. You should see 'em in Paris -- they're cruising through traffic in ball gowns and stuff on their Velib (bike share) bikes. I, for one, would love to be able to take a long ride down to Bay Ridge and see friends and eat some of your delicious food, but the lanes aren't there for it and the subway's a bummer. So I'll ride to Coney Island for Totonno's and cotton candy instead.
June 15, 2012, 8:55 am
k from Inwood says:
Amazing that too many business owners and their reps still don't see that bringing more bikes into their area is good for the bottom line. FWIW, I dress up and down on my bike, and ride to dinner, work, and to meet friends. During which I spend money and I go out of my way to note if a business seems bike friendly. If you can walk to it after you park your car, you can bike to it.

And enough with the double standards for those bicyclists that flout laws. Drivers that flout laws intimidate me much more whether I'm on foot, on a bike, or in another car. And have you ever seen a light signal that wasn't preceded by jaywalking? Don't hold cyclists to a higher standard than peds -- or, especially, drivers. Prioritize the enforcement of laws applying to those who have by far the greatest potential to harm -- drivers in their 2-ton weapons. When we've achieved zero ped and bike fatalities caused by drivers, come back and we'll talk about ramping up enforcement for errant cyclists. They might intimidate, and I hate them, but they are a nuisance at worst except in very rare cases. I'm sick of hearing about how dangerous cyclists are when speeding, distracted, or just plain aggressive drivers kill people in this city every day.
June 15, 2012, 9:07 am
Mike from Bay Ridge says:
Clark and Howe live in the dark ages. Yes, people ride bikes to bars and restaurants. Yes, this actually happens in real life. I think Clark and Howe are used to being in bed by 8pm after enjoying the early bird special at the Vegas Diner.

I love how they act is if riding your bike to a bar or to dinner is such an outlandish idea. Further proof of how out of touch Golden and his posse is.
June 15, 2012, 9:15 am
Joe from Crown Heights says:
People still don't get that if you don't build bike infrastructure for normal everyday courteous safe bike riders to tool around on, the only cyclists out there will continue to be the uncivil crowd that doesn't care if there are lanes or not. Bike lanes are not a concession to the renegades out there now, they are a concession to the civil cyclists who aren't on the street riding in Bay Ridge today because it's too dangerous and there's nowhere for them to go. You don't often see a parent with two kids in tow or a couple dressed up for a nice dinner blowing through red lights and intimidating pedestrians, but that crowd isn't going ride 3rd or 5th Ave without a halfway decent bike lane.
June 15, 2012, 9:23 am
Shirley from Brooklyn says:
“I don’t know if people would want to go to a bar and have a drink, then ride a bike back home,” he said.

Can Howe be any more clueless? Do you know how many people are going to a bar, having a drink (or two or three or four) and then DRIVING back home?

Drink and ride a bike and you're mostly a danger to yourself. Drink and drive a car and you're definitely a danger to EVERYONE ELSE.
June 15, 2012, 9:26 am
Kyle says:
↑ ↑↑↑↑↑ what she said !!!!
June 15, 2012, 9:37 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Shirley, Shirley, Shirley,

Who is the designated driver on your bicycle built for two?

4 people in a car, one designated driver.

When will we see Andrew Gounardes on his bike?
June 15, 2012, 9:42 am
SJ from Sunset Park says:
I live in Sunset Park, and I often ride my bike to dinner out - in Park Slope, because it feels convenient and safe. Imagine if I had a bike lane to Bay Ridge - I would absolutely ride my bike there for dinner.

Also - the drinking-out-thing will be wonderfully serviced by the bike share (when we eventually get it in S. Brooklyn). You pick up your citibike, ride it to the bar, have some drinks and then take a cab home. Perfect.
June 15, 2012, 9:50 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
" You pick up your citibike, ride it to the bar, have some drinks and then take a cab home. "

Just like having mama pick up our toy when you are done.
June 15, 2012, 9:53 am
Caveman Golden says:
Carrrrsss good. Bikes baaaaaadddd. Grrrrr.
June 15, 2012, 10:25 am
Jacob from Clinton Hill says:
I ride my bike to work and to restaurants all the time, because it's the quickest and cheapest way to go. When I bike, I have more money to spend on food or shopping, since I don't have to pay for parking, gas, or transit fare.

I'd bike to Bay Ridge if there was a safe way to get there. However, it seems like the businesses there don't want my money, so I'm happy to take it elsewhere.
June 15, 2012, 10:31 am
ty from pps says:
Or - are you actually this much of a douchebag ALL the time? Or just on here?
June 15, 2012, 10:37 am
Dave from Park Slope says:
Ty, it's a safe bet that Or is a douchebag 24/7/365.
June 15, 2012, 11:14 am
Bklyn biker from South Slope says:

I second what Jacob and K have said.
I ride out to Karam and century 21 all the time -when I feel like braving the Bay Ridge drivers who mostly seem drunk or mentally deranged.
June 15, 2012, 11:25 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
The road to Utopia is on bike path, that somebody else pays for.

Tough when your fallacies are underlined isn't it?
June 15, 2012, 11:27 am
boof from brooklyn says:
Even better -- with bike share you can bike to the bar drink 15-40 drinks, then call a cab home. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF BIKE SHARE. Use a bike once then forget about it.
June 15, 2012, 11:38 am
Chris from Bushwick says:
It's not even worth arguing with you, but I guess you still haven't gotten the memo that drivers don't pay for bike lanes any more than cyclists do, and cyclists don't pay any less for street repair than drivers do. Gas taxes don't pay for upkeep of city streets.
June 15, 2012, 11:48 am
Gary from Park Slope says:
Whose fallacies? Bike owners pay taxes and 80% of the cost of bike lanes comes from Federal funds and they are relatively cheap to begin with.
June 15, 2012, 11:49 am
ty from pps says:
Funny -- last time I checked, I pay a lot of local taxes. (income tax, sales tax and property taxes, indirectly through my landlord) The roads are paid for by ME. I am happy the roads are being configured in a way that reflects the needs of a city and the wishes of the taxpayers that pay for the roads.

Who are these "somebody else pays for" people?
June 15, 2012, 11:49 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Ty - other people?

Look no further than Gary above and his "federal funds"

That's the magic room full of money in Washington!

Work on that reading comprehension!

The road is already there. Go pedal on it. It will be safer if you have a light at night, and obey the lights when they turn red.
June 15, 2012, 11:53 am
Jym from PLG says:
• I get dressed up and bike to dinner all the time. Wake up to reality.l
June 15, 2012, 11:54 am
ty from pps says:
Or -- you are painful. I would LOVE to make a laundry list of the things in your life that "someone else pays for"
June 15, 2012, 12:01 pm
BklynE from Bay Ridge says:
Wow, Or from Yellow Hook, you certainly seem to have some Oedipal issues. No, it's not "Just like having mama pick up our toy when you are done" (by the way, "our" toy...projecting much?). It is being a responsible citizen versus not jumping into a car that could kill the inebriated driver, pedestrians, you and and, yes, even "mama."
June 15, 2012, 12:06 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Why are Or's comments not valid especially since he posts so many of them? We should not reward cyclists with bike lanes to restaurants even if they will spend money there because everyone knows its easier to ride close to where you live. Why should I pay for a bike lane I never use? I don't pay for public schools I don't use and I don't pay any money to the fire department if I don't have a fire. You cyclists all want to flout the laws but you don't want to get jobs or pay taxes.

By the way, you bike zealouts are all alike. I wouldn't be surprised if Mark Gorton pays you to post comments here supporting bike lanes because every poll shows that few people support bike lanes. The Daily News commenters are not like you guys here since they don't like bike lanes and pedestrian plazas.
June 15, 2012, 12:15 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
Brooklyn E -

It's easy to bike to work when you are an armchair psychiatrist.
June 15, 2012, 12:35 pm
Jane from Bay Ridge says:
Marty Golden is a miserable old man who really needs to not be in office if Bay Ridge is ever going to reach the 21st century. I live in Bay Ridge, do not have a bike pr a car, but it would be nice to have the option of bike lanes since I'm much more likely to ever buy a bike than a car. Also, it would be great if there were less cars in Bay Ridge, since I'm tired of hearing people do nothing but complain about parking.
June 15, 2012, 12:46 pm
ty from pps says:
I wish the real Tal would just post things like that... it's much more straight forward.
June 15, 2012, 12:49 pm
James from Bay ridge says:
Grew up in bay ridge and never learned how to drive (most of my friend didn't either), so its always walk, bus, train, or bike for me. Now that I live in bed stuy, it would be nice to bike there once in awhile, to see family. I used to see bikes going down 5th ave and 86 st quite often in the morning on the way to work or at lunch time for deliveries.

either way, i cant wait to return to my district to vote for anything that is not marty golden.
June 15, 2012, 1:12 pm
BrooklynDeBased from Bay Ridge says:
Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Brooklyn Paper headline : "GOLDEN WINS BIG"
You read it here first.
June 15, 2012, 1:25 pm
BklynE from Bay Ridge says:
Not an armchair psychiatrist nor a registered one, Or from Yellow Hook . . . just observing the obvious. Plus, BrooklynDeBased? It might (god forbid) say "Golden Wins", but it ain't gonna be "Big"...
June 15, 2012, 2:10 pm
TG from Parl Slope says:
Hmmm I wasn't aware that drinking and riding a bike was allowed! I am assuming your brain makes an exception for bike riding!
June 15, 2012, 2:24 pm
EG from Bay Ridge says:
Golden is a close-minded bigot who is part of an OLD generation, and he does not represent the current Bay Ridge, only a tiny fraction that's being replaced by a younger, more diverse and more open-minded population. Enough with this dinosaur and his 1960s view of the neighborhood.
June 15, 2012, 2:42 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First off, knock it with the impersonations, because I wasn't even online at that time, and I know that it was you ty seeing how you are complementing it. Let's be honest here for a second. Would it really be good to have bicycles go through an area where there are a lot of businesses especially with all the trucks and vans loading things to help the stores and restaurants constantly? That is sort of a hazard right there. Also, reducing lanes on a major thoroughfares can actually make them have more traffic not less due to placing bike lanes. Don't forget that many of the merchants tend to either oppose the bike lanes or just happen to be skeptical about them. Still, those that oppose this such as Golden and others like myself don't deserve to be given personal attacks, because you guys had your say on this, so let us have ours'. Nevertheless, I still don't see why just having cyclists following the traffic laws is such a big problem for all of you cyclists. Is it really hard, or do you just make it sound hard? Of course, you will probably never answer on that.
June 15, 2012, 2:48 pm
Ahab from Bay Rij says:
Holy God people in this neighborhood are stupid...
June 15, 2012, 3:06 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- It was me because I commented on it?

You really need to up your anti-paranoia meds. Did you get hit by another golf ball?
June 15, 2012, 3:39 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brroklyn says:
Gary,
Bike lanes are cheap only because you are riding on the shoulders of giants. You are using existing infrastructure that was built primarily for automobiles. When you do your calculations you must include everything it cost to put the road the there the first place. If you were to build a bike lane from scratch you would have to acquire the property, the bridges, the tunnels, the roadbed the paving, the maintenance etc and so forth. They only appear "cheap" because you are painting lines on existing infrastructure. The subway is cheap too as long as you don't have to dig tunnels, lay track, build trains and so forth. Bike lanes could not exist unless the automobile paved the way.
June 15, 2012, 4:41 pm
SwampYankee is talking out his *ss again from Brooklyn says:
Build primarily for automobiles? Really Swampy? Let's see, the automobile goes back about a hundred years, only really became common in the 1950s. The streets of Brooklyn go back almost two centuries. Why don't you keep your fat trap shut from now on, sh*twit, because everytime you open it you embarrass yourself.
June 15, 2012, 5:17 pm
scott from park slope says:
SwampYankee, no, the streets here were not built primarily for automobiles. They were built for horse and carriages, and later adjusted for streetcars along the major avenues. So it's really the cars that could not exist unless horses had paved the way.

Road use evolves. Last time it was the advent of cars, which crowded out streetcars entirely. This time we're talking about a narrow strip of street and a little paint that doesn't preclude cars at all. And every time I weigh that fact against all the many benefits of better bike lanes for cyclists, drivers, and pedestrians alike I am compelled to say, "Good Christ, would you ativistic knuckledraggers quit your whining?! GTFO and move to NJ or the Bonneville Salt Flats if you worship cars so much."
June 15, 2012, 5:26 pm
Jim from the ridge from Bay ridge says:
Bicycles ? How about horse and buggy? Or
Sleds and Huskys? How about pogo's sticks?
I drive for a living around Brooklyn and I see
bicycle lanes all over but i hardly see them
being used except for an occasional delivery
person. Does it make sense to tie up all
these traffic lanes and obstruct delivery of goods?
Were are not in Seattle, or china. Next we will
be sending smoke signals and hanging are
laundry on clothes lines. Going backwards?
June 15, 2012, 5:32 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Scott,
So the BQE had horses on it? The GWB was built for horse? There are a hell of a lot more streets in the City then there were when there were horses. 2 million people a day commute by car. A fraction by bicycle. If we stopped all automotive traffic in the city the city would financially die in a week. Stop all the bike traffic and we have a shortage of baristas and someone gets their coffee late. Yes, you would like to paint us all as knuckle draggers but cyclist are a tiny minority of commuters, that is just the facts. I know you want the facts to be different, but they are not. You could close every single bike lane in the city and ban bicycles from city streets and the city, and it's economy would not even blink, most people would not even notice. Try the same thing with motor vehicles, the city dies. This is true, you know this is true
June 15, 2012, 5:35 pm
ty from pps says:
Jim -- (1) Plenty of people in Brooklyn hang their laundry on clothes lines. (2) You're and idiot. (3) What travel lanes are being obstructed by bike lanes??? (4) You're an idiot (5) Why do you 'hardly see them being use' but I see them used all the time? I rode to meet a friend in Bed-Stuy, and I made a conscious note of bikes. In the 5 miles or so (through Flatbush, Lefferts, Crown Heights, Bed-Stuy), I saw a bike on almost every block and sometimes a few.

Of course this was 6:30 on a Wednesday evening -- must be "Bike Hour" or something, right?
June 15, 2012, 5:40 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- WHO THE F*CK IS SAYING STOP ALL AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC IN THE CITY?!?!?!?! Seriously, Shut your stupid f*cking face.

The bike lanes are not making it harder to drive in the city. The other CARS are doing that.

Maybe all the people that ride bikes should get a car. And everyone who walks should get a car. How about that? Please tell me how making it LESS attractive to ride a bike will help you and your damn car?!? I own a car. I would LOVE IT if everyone had nice routes to ride their bikes. So, get this, when I need to drive my car there are FEWER CARS on the rode! Yeee haw!

Swampy, you are such an ignorant tool.
June 15, 2012, 5:45 pm
ty from pps says:
1,000,000 additional people in NYC in the last 20 years. Another 1,000,000 in the next 10 years.

Yes, you're right. We should do nothing to enhance our transportation infrastructure. The 1956 model is perfect!

AARGH! You are STUPID. Swampy, Why don't you go live with Tal Barlizai in his dad's basement in Pleasantville. You can drive to Red Lobster together.
June 15, 2012, 5:47 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
In all honesty, I have never seen the reason why there has to be bike lanes when all cyclists need to do is just follow the traffic laws. It's such an irony that many bike zealots claim that a bicycle is a vehicle, but they don't want to pay for the same way all other registered motorists pay, which includes licensing, registraition, and insurance. Also, they keep on acting as if the traffic laws don't even apply to them as if they are some kind of resistance group. The truth is that there are many who see through them, and the attitude that bike zealots display really just creates enemies rather than allies, especially with the fact that they refuse to compromise. I wouldn't be surprised if Gounardes is being funded by Mark Gorton while many on Streetsblog are making personal attacks at Golden. Unfortunately, smear campaigning can only go so far these days, and many will look at what the candidate can do, not at slamming the other to cover up their own problems, plus I doubt that his support for bike lanes alone will help him when there are more major issues than this.
June 15, 2012, 5:49 pm
ty from pps says:
Jim -- By the way, what does your comment "Were are not in Seattle" mean anyway?

New York City can't be like Seattle? What is particular about Seattle that is so different than Brooklyn? Have you even been to Seattle?
June 15, 2012, 5:51 pm
Rob from NY says:
1/3 of the country's adults are obese. A chunk more are overweight. If bike lanes can help avert this public health disaster -- which we are paying for in higher taxes and higher healthcare premiums -- bring 'em on.

As for customers for businesses, you can fit 10 bikes into 1 parking space. That's 10 customers. It is why once bike lanes are put in, retail does better. Watch: once BikeShare rolls out, retailers will be begging for stations in front of their stores.
June 15, 2012, 5:51 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- "I have never seen the reason why there has to be bike lanes when all cyclists need to do is just follow the traffic laws."

You will never understand if you NEVER listen. For the love of God, Tal, this has been explained to you 10,000 times.

It's about safety and visibility -- creating a defined space on the roadway for vulnerable users... i.e., those not wrapped in 2 tons of steel. It's not about whatever fiction you've created in your dense, pudding-filled skull. Have you ever been on a bike?
June 15, 2012, 5:56 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklny says:
Rob from NY,
Next time you need a firefighter or an ambulance they should send a bicycle. That computer you are using? How did that get to the store? The groceries in the supermarket? Did they brink them in by bicycle? The construction materials that build the roads and the very building you live in? The fuel that heats your home? every crumb you eat come off motor vehicle. The clothes on your back, any medicine you take, the refuse from the front of your house. Motor vehicles. Look around and think what life would be like without motor vehicles. If that's the kind of would you want to live in move back to the wilderness. You live in a fantasy world. Might as well ride your unicorn
June 15, 2012, 6:05 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sorry ty, but I am not bought by your statement, and your personal attacks are part of the reason that I can't take you seriously. You and your friends still haven't given a good reason why bicycles should be exempt from all traffic laws other vehicles are required to follow as well as why they shouldn't have to pay when others are paying penny out of pocket to do that. Either way, major thoroughfares are known for getting a lot of traffic, and that has primarily to do with the loadings from trucks and vans. If they are unable to do that because if the bike lanes prevent them, it will hurt the merchants there and will look bad for business. In reality, a lot of bike lanes do go unused compared to many loading zones that are used almost daily and even frequently.
June 15, 2012, 6:09 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- You continue to be an ignorant douche.

What are roads for?

(1) Health and Safety Vehicles
(2) Commercial Vehicles
(3) Public Transportation Vehicles
(4) Personal Vehicles

IN THAT ORDER.

Who has EVER suggested Motor Vehicles should be banned from the city streets?!?!?!?!

You know those pedestrian plazas, the ones I'm sure you despise because they are ruining the city... Guess what is allowed to drive on them??? (1) Health and Safety Vehicles and (2) Commercial Vehicles. Can commercial vehicles make deliveries to Times Square 24/7? Nope. Why should they? The merchants don't want deliveries at 2:00pm either!!! (And if they need an emergency box of whatever... guess what? They walk the block with a hand truck! Oh the humanity!)

Not everyone can drive a car. There isn't room. A HUGE portion of the cars on the roads in this city are people that *choose* to drive... not because they have to, but because they want to, they prefer to. Bicycle lanes and, God Forbid, dedicated lanes for public transportation are GOOD for the city. Simple as that.

I know I'm not going to convince you of this -- you're waaaay too much of an ignorant douche. And even if you were convinced, you'd never admit it.
June 15, 2012, 6:44 pm
Billy says:
Yes this is the typical GOP "They're coming for us!" rallying cry. It's demagoguery 101. Marty Golden is an embarrassment. Like the guy said before, he is a dinosaur who wants to turn the clocks back to the Triassic period.
June 15, 2012, 6:51 pm
ty from pps says:
And Tal -- you're just really not very smart. I don't even think you're intelligent enough to be called ignorant -- being ignorant presupposes the capacity to not be ignorant.

I hope you recover from the golf balls you seem to be hit with regularly. Perhaps you should just stay in the basement of your dad's house.
June 15, 2012, 6:53 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, I believe you misread what SwampYankee was talking about. He was mentioning why motor vehicles are still needed in this day in age no matter how much some tend to despise them. Making a city like NYC a car free city is nothing but a fairy tale at best. There is a reason why the city has loading zones that are in affect for most of the day during the week, so they can occur at anytime that day, and much of them are done by either trucks or vans. BTW, utility workers or other repair men cannot carry all their things they need to help with your problems at home via bus or subway, so they need at least a van for that. The most I see bicycles are for making small food deliveries to peoples' homes or being used to pull a pedicab, but nothing else that is major comaped to what he mentioned. Unless you can find a way to have the bicycle do all of these, the motor vehicle is here to stay. Just to let you know, nobody is forcing you to drive a car, so you need to loosen your tin foil hat on that one.
June 15, 2012, 6:57 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
ty,
you make it easy because you are quotable. I told you this internet thing is not for you. You continue to fail at basic facts. Tonight, lets use you ranking and I will point out where you got it exactly wrong:

You ranked vehicle usage in this order

(1) Health and Safety Vehicles
(2) Commercial Vehicles
(3) Public Transportation Vehicles
(4) Personal Vehicles

You see the problem here.....no? OK got pull your pinhead out of the sand and look at ANY STREET IN THE CITY. What vehicle's in do you see the most of? Personal Vehicles!!!!!! yes Personal Vehicles are the #1 vehicle in the city. The others are not even close. Yet you have them ranked 4. You see Ty, when you deal with facts you come up woefully short. You have failed to provide a factual analogy. Wrong again Ty wrong again. Next time sketch it out with crayons SLOWLY and then come back and post a reply. Sheesh....It's like a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent
June 15, 2012, 7:05 pm
ty from pps says:
WOW! Swampy, perhaps you are as dim as Tal.

I said, "What are roads FOR?" That's not ranking of vehicle usage. That is ranking of what the roads are for -- the PURPOSE of the roads.

I did not say, "What is the ranking of vehicle frequency?"

Did I?
June 15, 2012, 7:15 pm
ty from pps says:
And CHRIST ALMIGHTY, Tal, can you not read ANYTHING without putting it through your pudding-filled dumb filter??!

(Here's a hint... What is #2 on my list???)
June 15, 2012, 7:17 pm
ty from pps says:
Definition #3

for [fawr; unstressed fer] preposition
1. with the object or purpose of: to run for exercise.
2. intended to belong to, or be used in connection with: equipment for the army; a closet for dishes.
3. suiting the purposes or needs of: medicine for the aged.
4. in order to obtain, gain, or acquire: a suit for alimony; to work for wages.
5. (used to express a wish, as of something to be experienced or obtained): O, for a cold drink!
June 15, 2012, 7:21 pm
Other other Michael from Bay Ridge says:
Everyone knows they don't have things like computers, food, medicine, clothes, or construction materials in Copenhagen or Amsterdam. Both cities burned down because no emergencies vehicles could get anywhere thanks to all the bikes.
June 15, 2012, 7:22 pm
ty from pps says:
Other other Michael --
I hear they send e-mail by bike in Copenhagen. And everyone just forages for food. I think they've turned to cannibalism.
June 15, 2012, 7:25 pm
SwampYankee from runined Brooklny says:
Ty,
Who, precisely, assigned you to decide "What the roads are for"? The facts remain hugely, crushingly against you. The roads are for cars. lots and lots of cars. No matter what you think, Yy or do, tomorrow, when you wake up, the roads will be full of cars. next week, next year .....cars. and there is nothing you can do about. you cna continue to squeal like the —— you are, but pull your head out of your ass and look on any street and what do you see? no, no....stop looking at the little boys.......thats better...you see millions of cars. roads full of cars, highways full of cars. Facts are troublesome things TY, but its a car eat bicycle world
June 15, 2012, 7:26 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy --
You *do* know that the roads and highways in and around Copenhagen, Paris, Amsterdam, London, etc. etc. are ALSO filled with cars... lots and lots of cars. Right?

Do you know the difference? There is ALSO a bicycle infrastructure. There is also an infrastructure that give priority to public transportation.

I know, it's terrible. Remember when (60 years ago) the streets were dominated by trolleys and horses. No one thought that would change either. The good thing is that you'll be dead in a couple years. So, you won't have to suffer the indignity of seeing bicycles and bus lanes.
June 15, 2012, 7:31 pm
Mike from Bay Ridge says:
Tal, you should ride a bike. You need the exercise, you'd be healthier and you'd be happier.

OR, you should ride a bike. I'm not sure anything would make your grumps any happier, but with your attitude about alcohol, cars, and refusal to acknowledge anyone's views but your own, I sure don't want you behind the wheel of a multi-ton vehicle!
June 15, 2012, 7:31 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Swampy, do you know who decided what the priority should be? The basic logic behind public funding.

(1) Health and Safety Vehicles
(2) Commercial Vehicles
(3) Public Transportation Vehicles
(4) Personal Vehicles

If you notice, this list goes from GREATEST common good to LEAST common good. See how that works?

It's taxpayers who fund the roads and transportation infrastructure. My priority list? It's the way it SHOULD be. However, we have been prioritizing private vehicles for decades now. How is that an appropriate use of public funds????
June 15, 2012, 7:36 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Well like I said Ty, I'm a City official and I think differently and the difference is.....I get a vote as to the "common good" and the use of public funds. You don't . If I haven't thanked you for my salary, pension and medical thank you. BTW, good vision and dental too. Looks like I need a dental implant. You will pay for that too. City benefits rock
June 15, 2012, 7:48 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- Since you're so influential... you're doing a very poor job preventing the bicycle network spreading.

By the way -- City "officials" come and go with administrations. You are more likely a city worker... and you are told what to do by city officials. Oh, and your dental implant doesn't cost me anymore than if you didn't get a dental implant. It's called insurance.

Do you honestly think you're going to get a reaction from me about paying city workers well and providing them with good benefits?? Is that what you're trying to do? Just because you, as an individual, I find repugnant and should be sodomized with a bicycle handlebar, I actually think most a well-compensated workforce is an appropriate use of public funds.

Oh, and I'm glad a bunch of those city workers are part of the DOT laying down paint, bollards and curbs for bike lanes!!!
June 15, 2012, 8 pm
ty from pps says:
(by the way -- I actually do "get a vote" -- if you only knew... )
June 15, 2012, 8:04 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty,
Good job your bike lanes did in preventing a young lady being killed this week no? I do believe that the truck driver was completely exonerated. Good thing those bike lanes were there. maybe she should have rang her bell before she ran into the truck. The motor vehicle always wins
June 15, 2012, 8:12 pm
ty from pps says:
Wow, you are just a sad sad man. You're right, the motor vehicle usually does win. 134 pedestrians were killed last year along with tens of thousands of injuries... caused by cars.

I hope you get hit by a truck.
June 15, 2012, 8:29 pm
mike from GP says:
Ty and other folks who get it. Forget Tal, Swamp, Or, etc. They are not worthy of being engaged, and I'm afraid you guys are are not doing much to convince them. Let them stew in their silliness by themselves.
June 15, 2012, 8:44 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, ty, you really need to chill and lay off the personal attacks. I didn't call anyone who disagreed with me the names you used. There is NO call to stop bicycles from being on the road let alone reducing their numbers. As I have stated numerous times, I have nothing against those that like to ride bicycles, it's the attitude they display that I hate. I am so tired of their demand for so many lanes that go unused most of the day and the money spent for it when there are more important things it can be used for like helping with public schools and hospitals. BTW, I am still waiting for what you think about the elderly person that was killed by a cyclist over in SF, but I guess you just don't care or don't want to talk about it especially since Streetsblog didn't cover that at all. Either way, I don't think that Gounardes will win just on bike lanes. How did Newell do against Silver with his support for congestion pricing? Even other politicians that most of you Streetsbloggers despised won their re-elections. If Gounardes wants to win, he will have to do more than just have bike lanes, because if he doesn't, they will just stick with Golden.
June 15, 2012, 8:59 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- No I don't. I'll lay off the 'personal attacks' when you start being smart. I'm tired of you being dumb. When you stop being dumb, I'll stop killing the elderly with my bike.
June 15, 2012, 10 pm
ty from pps says:
(Uggh... why am I doing this...)

Tal -- The cyclist that killed the old woman in San Francisco... he's being charged with and tried for vehicular manslaughter. Totally appropriate.

What's your point, exactly?
June 15, 2012, 10:02 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
SwampYankee, I know you struggle through life with the cranial capacity of homo erectus, but New York City predates the invention of the automobile by about, oh, 300 years. All those streets that you zoom around in your Escalade were built for horse-drawn vehicles, not cars. Even bicycles pre-date cars on the streets, so by your logic you should be railing against the dirty smoking hulks that have usurped space from good old, traditional means of getting around.

Also, no, if all cars were suddenly banned in NYC (which no one who supports bike lanes is pushing for) it would not economically die. That would only happen if the subways and buses shut down, because that's how the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers get around. 70% do not even own cars. Even those who do mostly take the MTA. What it would mostly mean is the entitled city workers, of whom you have told us you are one, would have to take the MTA like everyone else because you wouldn't be able to use that free parking space your job gives you any more. Compare the difference between post-911 and the transit strike a few years back. Now, I realize with your 750cc brain pan you can scarcely remember further back than the last flea you scratched, so I'll help you out--after 911 they banned cars from downtown. The city continued to function with public transportation. During the transit strike, the whole place shut down.

Now, with the expanded bike lane network the number of people getting around that way has been growing robustly. According to the city, ridership doubled between 2009 and 2011. So, if that trend continues (despite proto-hominids like you) the bike network is actually a hedge in the infrastructure against disruption in either auto or public transportation. That's a good thing for anyone who really cares about the economic vitality of the city.

Alas, I predict I and all the other readers here will instead be treated to your learned response (by homo erectus standards) of "REEAaargh!!!!" and hurling your feces against the screen.
June 16, 2012, 12:22 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
SwampYankee, I do have to hand it to you, I didn't think anyone would ever displace Tal as the acme of rectal-cranial inversion in Brooklyn, but you are really giving him a run for his money. You probably take the crown on a technicality since Tal doesn't actually live in Brooklyn. Then again, maybe that gives him more points?
June 16, 2012, 12:27 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Scot,
Would they be stocking the supermarket shelves from the subways or the buses? Would we grow our own food on organic roof top gardens? You need motor vehicles to deliver and distribute EVERYTHING. I woke up this morning and guess what? The place is still full of cars and trucks! I'm sure time will prove you correct but the trend of automobile ownership is not slowing down. Keep wishing upon a star, but when you walk out you door this morning you will see a hell of a lot more cars than bicycles. And that will be true every day for the rest of you life. You know this is true. And Ty, people do get killed by cars and trucks. But if you are speeding down a hill, don't stop, and crash into a truck. You will die. And it will be your fault. Just like it was the womens fault this week. Investigation complete. Women blew into an intersection occupied by a truck. Her fault. A tragedy, but of her own making. Cyclist intelligence at it's finest
June 16, 2012, 5:08 am
ty from pps says:
Scott -- You're right. I think Swampy has knocked Tal out of the top spot.
June 16, 2012, 7:56 am
Old time Brooklyn from Slope says:
You guys really need a life or a gf - worse than schoolyard bs. If you need a bike lane to show how pretty you are - so be it. If I have to get somewhere pronto i'm going to drive through it.
I have been riding a bike in the streets of Brooklyn over 50 years and and rarely had a problem. You do not need dedicatred lanes to get around - you just need to be aware.

Mazel tov
June 16, 2012, 8:11 am
ty from pps says:
"If I have to get somewhere pronto i'm going to drive through it."

And you wonder why cyclists want/need protected bike lanes from douchebags like you...
June 16, 2012, 8:26 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
It's cherry season and Ty is picking cherries again!
June 16, 2012, 9:46 am
ty from pps says:
Hi.
June 16, 2012, 11:33 am
Old time Brooklyn from Slope says:
Ty

I truly have decided youre a putz. You do not need a special lane for special people - you just need to watch where and what you are doing. I could always toss some carpet tacks in the lane but I dont want a flat. lol you can kiss my WASC a-- (white anglo saxon Catholic) or kiss my car door lol

Mozel tove peztela :)
June 16, 2012, 1:04 pm
ty from pps says:
Hello.
June 16, 2012, 1:06 pm
Whatever from Greenpoint says:
Oh Tal, back to your stupid circle arguing that makes you sound like a middle school kid.

It's always the same BS with you on commenting on any bicycle story:

"Why can't cyclist just follow the rules?"

Then it's pointed out to you that you're the only one in this whole city that sees every cyclist not following the rules. So then you'll go, "well I'm not against bicycles, I just don't know what they can't follow the rules." That's when you sound dumb BTW Tal just to point out the obvious.

So once again we are left here on the comments section with your grand wisdom of arguing just to argue.

So one more time and maybe read SLOWLY Tal so your reading comprehension can digest this:

Just because there is one or more ——s on a bike not following the rules doesn't mean most bike riders don't follow the rules.

You logic you spew time and time again can be frame your argument for every element to this city.

"Why are all sports fans dicks and yell at inanimate objects in the bar?"

"Why are all smokers ——s and not obeying the no smoker rules?"

"Why are all Tal's stupid?"

Oh, wait, I have nothing against sports fans, smokers or Tal so stop putting words in my mouth!

Tal, bike lanes are for safety reasons, not to reward what you constantly think is bad behavior by bicyclists. It's about saving lives. Just because you follow the rules on a bike in a car lane, doesn't mean some —— in a car isn't going to hit and kill you. It's not the bike rule breakers being killed, it's the car rule breakers in most cases. So once again, bike lanes are a good thing, they save lives.

The more I read the comments section on this website, the more I think SwampYankee and Tal are the same person with split personality disorder.

June 16, 2012, 4:15 pm
Boris from Bay Ridge says:
It's just a bike lane (or two) that we're talking about, what's the big deal? They are a nice amenity, and if it slows down some jerk driving to his tanning appointment, even better. Slower traffic equals safer streets. Since the 68th Prec. has essentially made a decision to ignore moving violations by cars, I'm in favor of this.
June 16, 2012, 4:21 pm
Or from Yellow Hook says:
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/3/web_cyclist_2011_1_28_bk.html

Darwin Award!
June 16, 2012, 4:38 pm
ty from pps says:
Or -- comment?
http://fortgreene.patch.com/articles/no-injuries-after-car-crashes-into-brooklyn-hospital-center
June 16, 2012, 4:49 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
So, this morning I had business on the Lower East Side. Traffic was light so I had a half hour to kill. Went to McDonald's on Essex, grabbed a cheap cup of decent coffee and walked over to the Williamsburg Bridge exit plaza. You know, the one with the nice barriers to protect the cyclists? So I stared to count cars. Between 8:15 AM and 8:30 AM I counted over 450 cars coming off the bridge and ZERO cyclists. This was a nice, bright, warm Saturday morning. no cyclists, hundreds of cars and trucks. Cycling fans, please explain why bike lanes were built? I did not see any cyclists. Even if I saw one, it would have been 450 times as many cars as cyclists. It's a car eat cyclist world and I just presented you with real, actual, numbers. Please explain
June 16, 2012, 4:59 pm
ty from pps says:
Hi Swampy.
June 16, 2012, 5:26 pm
ty from pps says:
You can see the bike path here... No bikes, eh?
http://nylivecam.com/Williamsburg-Bridge.php

You're really a tiresome person.
June 16, 2012, 5:29 pm
ty from pps says:
Manhattan Bridge - Brooklyn Side.
http://www.nyctmc.org/google_popup.php?cid=425
June 16, 2012, 5:35 pm
ty from pps says:
Look... There are almost no cars on the Belt Parkway!! Why did we spend all that money if no one is using it!

http://www.nyctmc.org/google_popup.php?cid=139
June 16, 2012, 5:38 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Yup, Clear as a bell. Hundreds of cars for every cyclist. It seems cyclists are getting wayyyyyyy to much space considering their numbers. This was your point? See for yourself. Again, the idea of debate is to refute my point with superior, factual observations and cold hard facts. You show my a live video feed that proves my point. Hundreds of cars for every cyclist. And this is a Saturday. You are outnumberd hundreds to one. Once again, you fail at the internet. Freeze a frame, count em up, post the frame that shows more cyclists than cars. Asking you for facts pedo-boy.
June 16, 2012, 5:43 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- YOU are the only one that is engaging in this strawman argument. Yes. There are more cars on the roads than bikes. WHO EVER DISPUTED THAT?

You're such a dimwitted douche.

(You should also look... the Williamsburg bridge has FOUR lanes for the cars. Who is getting across the bridge faster... the cars or the cyclists?)
June 16, 2012, 5:49 pm
ty from pps says:
(P.S. It's not "hundreds of cars for every cyclist." And exactly how does "And this is a Saturday" magically not apply to bicycles too????)
June 16, 2012, 5:51 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty, again, you make my point. The cars are moving too slow because the cyclists have all the room! Since so very, very, few people are using the bike lanes it would make sense to pave them over and make room for more cars! You have perfectly illustrated the situation of the "entitled" cyclists! they are given everything at the expense of others. Thanks for your help
June 16, 2012, 5:53 pm
ty from pps says:
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH! Yes. You're right. The elevated section of the bridge would add 1 lane for cars AND collapse from the weight... well done SwampDouche.

I'm assuming that last comment was tongue-in-cheek... I mean, it had to be, right?

What about all of those underutilized sidewalks? Those should be roads too. Imagine how much faster traffic would be if there were no sidewalks? I can see the street outside my house -- not a single person using the sidewalk, but there were just 3 cars. I'm writing the mayor to get this fixed!
June 16, 2012, 5:57 pm
ty from pps says:
Hey, Swampy, I have a good example for you.

Ocean Avenue in Flatbush. Ever been? I drive on it all the time. They reduced the road from 4 lanes to 2. (Don't worry, no bike lanes) Guess what?! The traffic flows BETTER and faster with fewer lanes!

Oh God! How could that be!?!?!?
June 16, 2012, 6:01 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty,
Know a thing or two about engineering and construction. I think the bridge would hold an additional lane or two of traffic. The only limitation is the ability of the bridge to withstand the weight. The rest is just design and construction details. A decent engineer could work out the particulars in a few hours. As most hipsters have liberal arts degrees this is way beyond your understanding. Perhaps can talk art history? Whats that paying now a days? Barista wages? Now go off to bed, you have a big day of kick ball with the other sissy's tomorrow
June 16, 2012, 6:39 pm
ty from pps says:
So it WASN'T tongue-in-cheek... wow! You have DEFINITELY outranked Tal. Man o' man.

Do you honestly think the reason there aren't more lanes for cars on the bridges and roads is because of bicycles?!? Let me ask more directly... You think it's the bicycle lane on the Williamsburg bridge that is preventing another car lane?

Janette Sadik-Khan has only been around for 5 years. Why weren't all of these extra lanes built before? God knows we've needed them for years, right? I mean, it's just a simple engineering issue. Right? You'd think the East River Bridges and Tunnels would all be at least 12 to 14 lanes wide. Add another level. You could have 24 lanes of cars on the bridges. And you'd just have to demolish 30% of the buildings in the city to widen all of the roads. But think of all the cars!!

Oh God, you are dumb. I'd be really surprised if you have a degree -- any degree... high school diploma even... GED? You know a thing or two about engineering and construction? I bet you do.
June 16, 2012, 6:51 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
yup, know engineering, and City government. not only do I know that the bridge is strong enough to hold more car lanes, I know that your saint, Janette Sadik-Khan, is REQUIRED, to submit her resignation when the next mayor takes office right? She, and Bloomie, will soon be gone. Better hope you don't get Kelly. I don't think he likes your type
June 16, 2012, 6:57 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- you have proven over and over you know very little.

Oh, don't get me wrong, you THINK you know all sorts of things. You and Tal are cut from the same cloth. Your pudding-filled skull and lack of almost any capacity for rational thought is just adorable.

I'd love to know what city agency you work for. It would increase my respect for the agency knowing how well it operates IN SPITE of you being on the staff.
June 16, 2012, 7:05 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way... from the Daily News. Sorry.

"While Kelly’s approval rating in his current job remains high, if he ran for mayor as a Republican next year, Quinn would romp 48% to 33%, the survey by Quinnipiac University, released Thursday, found.

The popular top cop also lost out to 2009 Democratic mayoral candidate Bill Thompson — 46% to 34% — and to Public Advocate Bill de Blasio by the same margin."
June 16, 2012, 7:08 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brroklyn says:
Well Ty I am going to help you out. If you would like to know what agency I would for you could narrow it down to 3 or 4 by figuring out what I was doing on the LES, on this particular date, at that particular time. Maybe a thousand City employees were in the zip code for something. If you know anyone in City Government they can probably help. Last clue, Kelly would be a disaster for me.
June 16, 2012, 7:21 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Eariler today, I saw several cyclists near Citifield when going to the Mets game not following the rules. A number of them just blew through a red as well as making a right turn from the left lane. Another one rode on the sidewalk. Last time I checked, this was all against the law. Again, there are cyclists that believe that they are above the law. For the record, it's only the bike zealots I call out, not the ones that behave responsibly. If any of you responsible cyclists believe that the bike zealots are wrong, like those on Critical Mass, then call them rather than remain silent or rush to their defense. I have been known to call out reckless drivers, not stand by them. BTW, I only mentioned that event in SF because it was to show that people can be killed by bicycles as much as you don't believe it. As usual, Streetsblog didn't even bother to mention it as an entry nor was it in their Weekly Carnage, because my guess was to show that bicycles can do no evil hence only say it when motor vehicles can do it, which is probably why they called Nancy Gruskind a lunatic when she talked about how to make bicycles better after her husband Stuart was killed by a messenger cyclists. As for SwampYankee, I don't know who he is, and he is not my alter ego either, but I am sure he will tell you that as well.
June 16, 2012, 10:57 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Tal,
You spell check before you post. Thats the difference. The cyclists just can't believe that there is more than one person in the city who thinks that bike lanes have gone to far and that the vast majority of cyclists break the law every single day. I have offered the challenge before and I offer it again. Go to any light on Court street, watch for an hour, and over 25 cyclists will blow through a red light. I'm not talking yellow light. Red light. You might see a single car push a yellow light, but you will rarely see a car blatantly blow a red light. Until cyclists start to obey the law I won't take them seriously. They —— all day about jay walkers, but in the next breath they tell you how may have been killed by cars. Well if they are jay walking how can cars be blamed They want it both ways. Relax, this was the bicycle mayor, for all the good he has done he was off base here. The next mayor will have different priorities. I took a walk a few blocks to get the papers this morning. Dozens, and dozens of cars.....and empty bike lanes. The numbers speak for themselves. Nobody else takes the cyclist nuts seriously, why should you?
June 17, 2012, 7:38 am
ty from pps says:
I'm glad you two have found each other. It's a big, lonely world... but you've found your soul mate. It's a thing of beauty.
June 17, 2012, 7:53 am
Mike says:
OMG Tal! A few days ago I saw three SUVs try to get around traffic congestion by driving on the sidewalk on Flatbush Avenue! If car drivers would just follow the law, they wouldn't need special lanes. Right, Tal?
June 17, 2012, 8:18 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
"In the next breath they tell you how 'may' have been killed by cars." Oh, the irony. SwampYankee writes a love letter to Tal complimenting him on how he spellchecks his posts and how that makes him superior to those who don't worship cars, and yet forgets to spellcheck his own post.
June 17, 2012, 8:21 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Right Scott, the 2nd to penultimate internet recourse of those who have lost an internet argument. Spell check. The only think left is calling me a Nazi. So, Scott, Mike, Ty do you swear that you never go through a red light? Care to take me up on my Court Street challenge? Do you see the irony in the Court Street Challenge? You see, the streets parallel to Court Street on each side have bike lanes. Court Street does not have a bike lane. Guess which street is most popular with Cyclists? This makes no sense. The city gives you nice bike lanes and you insist on using the one single street without a bike lane and breaking the law on it! Its thinks like this that prevent cyclists from being taken seriously. So guys, you never go through red lights right?
June 17, 2012, 8:36 am
Mike says:
SY, when you're on foot, do you ever cross the street against the light when no one is around?

I personally don't tend to ride on Court Street, but I'm sure many cyclists have destinations on or near it. Jay Street theoretically has a bike lane, but the markings are gone and the crazy entitled drivers have turned that street into a double-parking free-for-all. Parts of Henry have a bike lane that tends to be a good option; other parts don't, because drivers were aghast at the prospect of losing some parking on a street that's barely wide enough to fit a truck down the middle when both sides are parked on.
June 17, 2012, 8:38 am
ty from pps says:
Swampy and Tal -- I don't really want to continue with your circular arguments that MISS THE POINT entirely. I know it's fun for you to to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again, but it doesn't make it a valid argument.

Put a cop on Court Street and hand out tickets. What is your point? (They should also look at the rest of Court Street for a thousand other traffic violations too)

Hmm... wait... maybe you have a point. Since drivers are honking their horns, making dangerous lane changes, etc. on the Williamsburg Bridge -- maybe THAT'S why there aren't more lanes, right? If all bicyclists don't follow the rules, they shouldn't get bike lanes. If all drivers don't behave, they shouldn't get more car lanes. Or parking... I guess that's why they are getting rid of parking minimums too. If you don't behave, you don't get roads or parking!
June 17, 2012, 9:07 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
OK, we have lots of car blame, but as usual, the cyclist run around. WAH WAH.....It's the cars fault I run red lights. Do you, or do you not run red lights? Just yest or no. Can you cut your BS for one second, and answer a simple question? Yes or No, do you run red lights?
As to me crossing against light? No, I do not. Much to dangerous and I rarely on a street where no one is looking. Busy neighborhood. So, your turn.....do you run red lights?
June 17, 2012, 10:28 am
ty from pps says:
Swampy --
Personally? I run every red light I can find. In my car. On my bicycle. I run red lights... I run over pedestrians... I have even been known to throw my bicycle at baby carriages.

Wait -- Didn't I say ticket cyclists for running red lights? (And ticket ALL traffic offenders) Yes, I think I said that.

Your ENTIRE argument has been, and I paraphrase, "Bike lanes are a reward for bad behavior" combined with "There are no bikes... well, except when there are too many."

Almost all of the comments above are a counterpoint to your fallacious argument. If roads and infrastructure was only provided to those who are 100% well-behaved, there would be NO ROADS. Transportation infrastructure is provided to improve the efficiency and safety of the users. Period. Your lame argument doesn't hold water but you keep repeating it over and over again.

Do you think bike lanes increase or decrease safety for cyclists? for pedestrians? (Before you answer, try looking at the actual statistics -- and not just NYC, since I'm sure you think there is an evil conspiracy here.) Vast increase of cycling in the city. Injuries and accidents related to bicycles have remained relatively flat. This ratio is called the "Cycling Risk Indicator" by the DOT -- "The decrease in the Cycling Risk Indicator from 397 in 2000 to 115 in 2010 represents a 71% decrease in the average risk of a serious injury experienced by commuter cyclists in New York City." Hmm... interesting.

Nothing to do with bike lanes, right? (I can predict what you *want* to say in response to this... it will be interesting to see if you actually say it.)
June 17, 2012, 11 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty, Please point out where I said:
"Bike lanes are a reward for bad behavior"

waiting........Can't find it? Because I never said it.
What I did say is: Almost all cyclist routinely break the law and run red lights. Cyclists will never be taken seriously until they start obeying the law. You do not obey the law and you blame others for your bad behavior
you are a child.
June 17, 2012, 11:19 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Now Ty, its a nice day out and I'm going out for a run. I suggest you put your tampon in and head off and play kickball with the other ladies
June 17, 2012, 11:21 am
Or from Yellow Hook says:
"Bike lanes are a reward for bad behavior"

That would be me.

Who won at kickball, or did everybody get a prize?
June 17, 2012, 11:52 am
ty from pps says:
Cars will not be taken seriously until they start obeying laws.... speeding (40 mph on residential streets -- even faster on bigger roads), U-turns, not signaling, double-parking, aggressive behavior, etc. etc. etc.

134 pedestrians were killed last year along with tens of thousands of injuries... caused by cars.

When will we start taking cars seriously???
June 17, 2012, 12:10 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Swampy, I'm glad you added misogyny to your list of delightful qualities. You are really a model citizen.
June 17, 2012, 12:11 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, I can say pretty much the same thing about bicycles. A lot of times they disobey traffic lights and signs, and they tend to ride on the sidewalk. There are a lot of them who just use the bike lanes as their get out of traffic laws free card. Truth is, many of the bike lanes go unused while the traffic lanes are used by motor vehicles constantly. I won't deny that bike lanes were around before JSK, because I remember reading on the NY Times that go back as early as Koch, but even then, there were those who were concerned about cyclists that were flouting the laws, so he renedged on making protected bike lanes that he originally promised. Even though bike lanes decrease safety for cyclists, they don't for pedestrians, especially with those crossing on the walk signal while a cyclist came up on them, though some went on them wrong way. Just because cyclists don't kill or injure a lot, doesn't make them any less dangerous.
June 17, 2012, 12:29 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Are you just cutting and pasting?
June 17, 2012, 12:33 pm
Moshe from Bay Ridge Heights North says:
As I am in constant need of hipster target practice, I agree that Bay Ridge needs more bike lanes in order to build up my car-side-swipes on the skinny jeans sect. I'm currently in last place in my Hipster Road Kill league & every little bit will help.
June 17, 2012, 1:33 pm
Dan from Prospect Hts says:
Moshe -- In your minivan?
June 17, 2012, 1:46 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
So another cyclist died yesterday. He go doored in Queens. Handlebar went right through his jugular vein and he quickly bled out. Yes, the cyclists will say the guy that opened the door was 100 % at fault but the NYPD didn't see it that way. A tragedy, entirely preventable. You see, this was on Union Turnpike. A busy, narrow street. It was decided not to put a bike lane there because there was no room. to narrow, to much shopping, too much traffic. It would not be safe to put a bike lane here. So DOT put a bike lane just one single block over. But the cyclist knew better. He was smarter than the urban planners. He did not want to go a SINGLE BLOCK OUT OF HIS WAY to use the bike lane. He wanted to bike on one of the busiest thoroughfares in Queens. Was it legal to bike there? Yes, yes it was. Could the guy opening his door have been more careful? Perhaps. Would the cyclist be alive if he had just used the bike lane the city so thoughtfully provided? ABSOLUTLY!! Blame the victim you say? Perhaps. I say blame Darwin.
June 17, 2012, 6:21 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
SwampYankee, I do give my condolences to that cyclists who died after being doored, but he could have slowed down when approaching. Why is it so hard for cyclists to reduce their speed when coming into busy areas. I have driven on lots of city streets all over boroughs, and on many of those local streets, you just can't floor the accelerator. However, I don't go fast in such areas myself. Also, I don't go fast when I see a stop sign or red light either when approaching them. Honestly, there have been times when cyclists actually didn't even use their own bike lanes despite being there for them. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone here who slams me on this probably doesn't follow the rules themselves, which may explain their defensive or even hostile attitude. Of course they won't condemn the cyclist in SF who hit an older person, because their goal is to show that everyone except cyclists can kill people, not the other way around, so they will either just give him a slap on the wrist or just shove it under the rug, which is pretty much what Streetsblog did on that.
June 17, 2012, 7:53 pm
Krusty Pieeye from Dyker Ridge Heights Hills North Hookwick says:
I am officially starting a campaign to create unicycle lanes in Bay Ridge. Clowns throughout the area are victims of the prejudice & hatred from the nazi car drivers & socialist bikers who refuse to acknowledge the unicycle community.How much longer must, we, as clowns, suffer from this indignant, racist behavior from the holier than thou 4-wheel megalomaniacs?
Howard Golden, are you feeling me?
And I don't mean feeling me in a homosexual way, but in a defiant exercise of my clown rights, way.
June 17, 2012, 8:04 pm
Ronald Trump from McDonald Avenue Heights says:
I'm selling "Air Bicycle Rights" in case any bicyclists want to lock in great rates before The Jetson technology hits Bay Ridge in 2013. Contact me at: idiscoveredconeyislandeventhoughivebeenlivingherefor3monthscantbelievetheseidiotnativesn
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June 17, 2012, 8:13 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy -- I just want to ask you a simple question. Are there no car doors on streets with bicycle lanes?

That's all. Just answer that question.
June 17, 2012, 9:16 pm
ty from pps says:
Something I've started trying to get in the habit of doing...

A Simple Tip for Drivers
Occupants of any vehicle should check rearview mirrors, open traffic-side doors slowly, and be on the lookout for oncoming cyclists. But mirrors have blind spots. Here’s a really simple tip that can get drivers in the habit of looking over their left shoulder as they open a car door:

When exiting a vehicle on the traffic side, use your right hand to open the door.

It’s easy and only takes a second. As drivers reach for the door handle with their right hand, they naturally turn their heads to the left. By the time a driver has sufficiently rotated to open the door, he or she is in an excellent position to scan for closeby cyclists. Look through the passenger window, open the door slowly, and be sure the coast is clear before opening the door all the way.
June 17, 2012, 9:21 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
SwampYankee, we're going to have to coin a new Internet term just to cover you. Too precious. I pointed out the irony of you faulting others for their failure to spellcheck their posts, using a post that you had failed to spellcheck. And then you, without a shred of self-awareness, say that those who fault others' lack of spellchecking have conceded the argument on the Internet. Hahaha. I think I will dub you, and those like you, Recursive Idiots. IE: you fault the failure to spellcheck, whilst failing to spellcheck, which leads you to fault the failure to spellcheck, whilst failing to spellcheck, which leads you to fault the failure to spellcheck, whilst failing to spellcheck...

Now, chew and digest.
June 18, 2012, 1 am
Scott from Park Slope says:
Protected bike lanes go a long way toward eliminating dooring as a threat to drivers and cyclists. The shared lanes don't work nearly as well for anyone because drivers double-park in them all the time, which forces cyclists out into the car lane where drivers aren't expecting them. And the chance of getting doored is nearly as great for the cyclists as a street without any lane.

Protected lanes keep the two modes of traffic, with their radically different speeds and physical masses, safely separated. And the safer people feel on bikes, the more who will choose to bike instead of drive for many trips. That's fewer personal cars on the road and less traffic for those who still need to drive, whether for work or pleasure.

Fewer cars on the road also means lower gas prices for drivers; less wear and tear on the roads which means a smoother ride for drivers; and generally much lower stress and risk of road rage.

As a cyclist, I say I hope they put a network of protected lanes all over the city because I'd like for my kids to be able to bike safely, too. As a pedestrian, I'd rather contend with bikes than cars. As somebody who has to take the subway & bus, it would be fantastic if half the people in every car rode a bike instead so I could get a seat. As a driver, I say it would be fantastic to have one quarter the vehicles on the road so I could get around better when I have to drive.

The utility of protected bike lanes is an undisputed win for everyone in this city trying to get from point A to point B, no matter how they need to travel.
June 18, 2012, 1:17 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklny says:
Ty,
On 73rd avenue, the parallel block, car doors are not an issue because there is no parking, stopping , standing allowed. No cars, no cars doors. A safer choice. The DOT bike map recommends that particular route. so, a simple anser to your question is, no, no car doors
June 18, 2012, 4:38 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Ty,
you ask when cyclist will take cars seriously? A good point. They don't but they should. Many cyclists begin to take cars seriously just a few milliseconds before they hit one. I am sure the women killed in Brooklyn took that truck seriously just as she was plowing into it. I am sure the guy killed in Queens took cars seriously as he was bleeding out from the neck. You stated the case perfectly. Cyclists don't take cars seriously even though cars can, and do , kill them (usually though no fault of the car). It's like not taking vaccines seriously. Do so at your own peril.
Again, I must remind you, you are not good at this internet thing. When having a debate you are supposed to counter my points, not re-enforce them.
June 18, 2012, 5:12 am
ty from pps says:
Wow, Swampy. You are a douche bag. If you spent as much effort having rational thoughts instead of twisting and turning to score points (including jumping to the opportunity to try to score points off a tragic death), you might actually be a contributing member of society.

I hope you enjoy your fantasy world.

In the meantime, take that Hint to Drivers. It saves lives.
June 18, 2012, 7:43 am
ty from pps says:
Tip for Drivers... whatever it was titled.
June 18, 2012, 7:43 am
Safe Driver from Brooklyn says:
The cyclist "did not want to go a SINGLE BLOCK OUT OF HIS WAY to use the bike lane."

And the driver did not want to wait a SINGLE SECOND TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE.
June 18, 2012, 9:44 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Safe Driver. Me too. Also a safe driver. Never had a single ticket. Neither parking or moving. Clever statement: "And the driver did not want to wait a SINGLE SECOND TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE." So clever that now the cyclist is magically Alive!!!!! just kidding, it didn't help a bit. I think the cyclist may have had just a bit more to lose when he choose to ignore the bike lane and cycle on a street so dangerous as Union Turnpike. riddle me this super genius, Why should the city continue to build bike lanes when cyclist routinely do not use them and considerably choose more dangerous routes? Please make tour response witty enough to bring the dead cyclist back to life.
June 18, 2012, 10:43 am
Deborah from SE Portland, OR says:
I have to chime in here to say that when safe and effective biking facilities are present, biking to and fro for both hi and low-brow evening entertainment is not only feasible, it's preferred!

It is FAR easier to have a beverage at a neighboorhood outing or gathering and feel safe riding home on low traffic neigboorhood streets. Additionally, I often find that I can only tolerate a number of my nicest dress and shoe options when biking, because it allows for less walking and delivers you directly to your destination. Most cities suffer from parking shortages that require atleast a couple blocks of walking in heels that can be uncomfortable. We bike to activities at a leisurely and carefree pace when attending evening activities, so a nice dress or high heels don't get in the way of the movement. For over 5 years now, my husband and I bike to all our dates. It's often the only time I can wear a number of my more uncomfortable, yet stylish shoes. And my husband and I are not in the minority here in Portland. Almost all our friends and coworkers also meet us out at local establishments where their mode of transportation was by bike. Here it is FAR easier to get on a bike than to hop in the car.
June 18, 2012, 12:54 pm
ty from pps says:
Swampy --
I really am wishing the worst for you. Simple as that. I hope you get injured and permanently maimed. I don't care what causes it.... car, bus, bicycle, bullet, knife, tree limb, anything. I don't want you to die. I want you to be seriously injured so you suffer for the rest of your miserable life.

That is all.
June 18, 2012, 1:05 pm
Sheri from Bay Ridge says:
There are so many reasons to extend the bike lanes to Bay Ridge! The great biking in Bay Ridge is one of the reasons I moved there and I LOVE IT - we have quiet streets, gorgeous bike routes in the park, along the water and under the bridge. However, the honeymoon is over once you hit Owl's Head Park - and then it's basically a death trap until you get to Park Slope. This effectively isolates Bay Ridge and everything south of Park Slope to all those who enjoy cycling. There are a lot of people who would love the peace and quiet of lovely Bay Ridge if only they could easily get there to ride! I keep telling my friends to come down from Wburg and Park Slope, but they see it as so far away that it's practically inaccessible (I disagree, clearly). If we could all ride a safe, efficient bike lane I can almost guarantee all the hipsters from up north would be coming to enjoy the scenery and spend their money in the Ridge.
June 18, 2012, 1:39 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sorry ty, but your group has no right to tell others what they should or shouldn't do until your group actually practices what they preach. If following rules are so important, then why don't you do that as well? Since when does riding a bicycle make you exempt from the rules. If bicycles are to be treated as vehicles, then they must behave the same way and pay the same way to, not get special treatment. The truth is that when cyclists tend to flout the laws, they are placing themselves into harm's way. There is a reason why it's a bad idea to place bike lane on major thoroughfares, and just the traffic on there alone states that. Unfortunately, for this candidate, he already has a lot of opposition from the local merchants, who also find it a bad idea, so he will lose if his platform is only on bike lanes.
June 18, 2012, 3:46 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Hi. Careful, I'll put a hex on you too.
June 18, 2012, 3:53 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Nice try ty, but threats don't work on the Israelies, they just don't.
June 18, 2012, 4:01 pm
No Bikes in Bay Ridge from Bay Ridge says:

Bike riders in Brooklyn are the worst cyclists out there. Cyclists in Manhattan are a lot more aware of traffic and traffic rules. In Brooklyn, many cyclists ride down the center of and don't signal. The worst thing is that they don't follow the traffic signs or lights. Let's have them take a test of get a riding license. The city can charge $15 - $20 and make money on this deal well.
June 18, 2012, 4:13 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal, it's spelled Israelis.

I wasn't really threatening you, Tal. My momma taught me that it's not nice to threaten the mentally handicapped. It's not your fault you aren't the sharpest pair of safety scissors in your playroom.

Try not to get hit in the head by another golf ball.
June 18, 2012, 4:15 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, it still doesn't give you the right to launch personal attacks or even wish the worst for someone. Again, if Gounardes has nothing good to offer for the community besides bike lanes, he won't win the elections. Many of the business leaders there oppose the bike lanes, so they will most likely go for the other guy, which happens to be Golden. Also, to say that opponents of bike lanes are backwards, that is completely false. Many of them offered streets that weren't as packed as the major thoroughfares, but to you bike zealots, you only want it wherever you want them to be with no compromises whatsover. This is exactly why you guys will lose in the end, and the attacks on those who just have concerns are the reason why Streetsblog and their followers have so many enemies as they resort to black listing whoever doesn't share their side. Seriously, this us vs them just doesn't work.
June 18, 2012, 5:26 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- There must be another stream-of-consciousness paragraph of wisdom in you... please share.
June 18, 2012, 6:32 pm
Del Unser from Under the Coney Island Boardwalk says:
In the words of the late Rodney King: Can't we all just get along?
Angry drivers,douchebag bicyclists,dwarves,unichs,toaster ovens, juice machines, juice heads,skinny pants guys,hipsters,hiphoppers,yuppies,yippies,chimpanzees,
Squeegee's,communists,egg cream drinkers,garbage men,
Old Chinese ladies,iguanas,strippers,prostitute hot dog ladies & aliens? (not the illegal ones, the ones in space, who I guess, technically are illegal, but the green skin & big eyes crack me up, so they get a free pass to be ——s)
June 18, 2012, 8:54 pm
Bayridgelady from Bay Ridge says:
I hope that this comes through. It would help businesses around here and it's a pleasant and healthy way to get around. I rode in the Ridge some years and sometimes treated aggressively by some drivers, not many but still upsetting, I was riding properly and stopping at lights like a car does, not risk driving around or anything. I think we need it for safety as well and let cars have their rode and ours, well ours. I was hit by a car, changed my life, I mean serious injuries. I think for several good reasons, we need the lanes if it's at all possible here.
July 20, 2012, 3:48 pm

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