Kings Bay Y head attacked at Barclays

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A pro-Palestinian protester punched the director of a prominent Sheepshead Bay Jewish organization in the face outside of an exhibition basketball game at the Barclays Center on Wednesday night, according to police.

The attack came at 10 pm, after an exhibition game between the Brooklyn Nets and Maccabi Tel Aviv, a professional Israeli basketball club. Palestinian-rights activists unfurled Palestinian flags inside the arena during the game, kicking off a confrontation that spilled outside, according to police, and left Kings Bay Y head Leonard Petlakh with a broken nose, according to the Y. Petlakh was with his kids at the game and accused the attacker and his allies of racism cloaked in political hostility, calling them “vile anti-Semitic hooligans masquerading as anti-Zionists.” He said he hopes his children learn from the experience — and pledged that they will sign up for the Israeli army one day.

“I am upset that my children witnessed this unprecedented violence,” he said in a statement. “But I hope it sends a strong message to them to stand up for their values as proud Americans and as those who will eventually volunteer to serve in the Israel Defense Forces.”

When the pro-Palestinian agitators unfurled the flag in the stands, Petlakh’s group was nearby and someone he was with snatched it away, police said. The subsequent face-off prompted security to kick out everyone involved, according to the NYPD. Then, in the plaza in front of the Rust Bowl, a man hauled off and hit Petlakh, fracturing his nose and leaving a cut that required eight stitches to close, a Kings Bay Y spokeswoman said.

Assembylman Steve Cymbrowitz (D–Sheepshead Bay) also called the incident an anti-Semitic attack and said police and security stood by and let it happen.

“It’s terrible that Leonard’s children had to witness their father being brutally attacked,” said Cymbrowitz in a statement. “And it’s equally outrageous that a violent display of anti-Semitism wasn’t stopped before it got out of control.”

The Police Department’s Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the assault, a police rep said.

The game was preceded by a reception hosted by a group supporting the Israeli army to honor soldiers wounded during the recent war in Gaza.

Pro-Palestinian protesters were a vocal presence outside of the arena and during the game.

One group that organized a demonstration outside of the arena denounced the attack.

“Jewish Voice for Peace deplores the violent incident at last night’s Nets and Maccabi Tel Aviv basketball game at Barclays Center,” said Naomi Dann, a spokeswoman for Jewish Voice for Peace. “We send our sympathies to Leonard Petlakh.”

Dann said none of her organization’s members were in the arena, and that protests out front ended peacefully about two hours before the incident occurred. Pam Sporn, who was part of the Palestine contingent out front, said she was sexually harassed by Israel supporters as the crowd broke up.

“Three young men with Israeli flags harassed us and said that we ‘need Israeli d---,’ ” she said in a statement.

Cymbrowitz insists that cops and Barclays security dropped the ball in keeping the feuding factions apart.

“Given the advance notice, both the NYPD and Barclays should have been ready with enough personnel and security measures to keep the protesters apart from the attendees and avoid even the possibility of violence,” he said.

Police described the suspect as a man standing 5-feet-8 and weighing around 160 pounds. He was wearing a Nets T-shirt with “BK” spray-painted on the back, cops said.

The Barclays Center and the Nets declined to comment on the assault.

Reach reporter Matthew Perlman at (718) 260–8310. E-mail him at Follow him on Twitter @matthewjperlman.
Updated 10:17 pm, July 9, 2018
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ty from pps says:
Of course the knee-jerk response from the politicians is that this was an "anti-Semitic attack." This certainly couldn't be related to a hundred years of political and cultural hostility -- just looking at the modern era of the hostility, even though it goes back much much further.

Nope. It's "anti-Semitic." That's the go-to line. So cheap.

And trust me, if the reverse were the case, any "racist" or "hate crime" rhetoric would be similarly ridiculous.
Oct. 9, 2014, 12:52 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, Maccabi Tel Aviv had nothing to do with what just went on in the Gaza Strip last summer. They are just a sports team and nothing more. I won't say the protesters were anti-Semitic, but they are probably pro-terrorist considering how much they turn a blind eye to their heroes known as Hamas. As usual, the such anti-Israel groups stage a protest on anything that is Israeli even if they have nothing to do with the government of Israel. Would anyone like it if an American team was protested just because of what went on in Iraq and Afghanistan despite having nothing to do with those issues. How about protesting a Russian team after what went on Ukraine? If you feel that such a thing like that would be overreacting, then you should know how Israelis feel when this happens to them.
Oct. 9, 2014, 2:20 pm
Anthony from Queens says:
Speaking of knee-jerk, this demonstrates perfectly what we're dealing with in the Middle East and now, unfortunately, here too: Primitive uncivilized neanderthals who, without applying a modicum of thought or reason, perpetrate crime, unprovoked violence and thuggery.

And at a Nets game, no less... These people have no shame
Oct. 9, 2014, 3:02 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
It is absolutely anti-Semitic. The whole of the Palestinian "struggle" against Israael is motivated by anti-Semitism. Palestine could have a state tomorrow if that's what they wanted. But that's not what they want. They want to drive the Jews out of the Middle East. This is openly stated in the constitution of Hamas. The majority of Palestinians voted Hamas into power in Gaza. This incident at Barclays is exemplary.
Oct. 9, 2014, 4:28 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
And incidentally the "knee-jerk" response is not to defend Israel. Far from it, the knee-jerkers on this issue are the legions of useful idiots in the West who line up behind the fascist organization called Hamas.
Oct. 9, 2014, 4:32 pm
Barry from Flatbush says:
A pox on both your houses.
Oct. 9, 2014, 5:59 pm
jay from nyc says:
No one should be throwing punches, no one should be stealing flags, no one should be sexually harassing people.
Every single person in this article is a horrible bag of recessive garbage that show nothing but the worst of what we are as a species and they ALL belong in prison.
If any of their defenders on this board, and I am calling out the entire board here, don't see that, then you are nothing but an enabler of this kind of crap and are only slightly less horrible.
Oct. 9, 2014, 6:30 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Jay, the issue is not symmetrical. The preponderance of hatred belongs to the Muslims, it just does. The Jews have hatred as well, but mostly it has been Muslim hatred of Jews that has inflamed the Levant for over a hundred years. So save your platitudes and read some history.
Oct. 9, 2014, 6:42 pm
old timwe brooklyn from slope says:
Tal and Chooch are very correct - long live Israel!!!!!
Oct. 9, 2014, 8:23 pm
jay from nyc says:
Choock, I don't give a toss about crack pot theories, or which religion is more bigoted, and I live in Brooklyn NY, not the screwed up stupid middle east,, and I gave no platitudes, I said everyone in this article belongs in jail, what about that do you not get?
Throw all of these bums in jail. period. Or is your argument that the jews in the article should not be in jail but the pro-Palestinians should be in jail because you believe the Muslims are worse than jews?
If that is your argument, then you may as well just p*** on the U.S. Constitution.
Oct. 9, 2014, 8:26 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Settle down, jay. The only person who "belongs in jail" is the sociopath who broke someone's nose. And seeing as it was a hate crime, that will be some time in jail.

My argument, jay, is that while there are certainly Jewish religious crackpots in Israel, they neither represent nor reflect Israeli society at large. And in no way are they able to run roughshod all over the country forcing their mental illness upon people at the point of a gun ... as Muslim religious crackpots are doing right now in a few other countries in the Middle East.
Oct. 9, 2014, 11:49 pm
The Green Devil from Bensonhurst says:
I love how this guy gets punched in the nose and acts like it's the Holocaust ("this unprecedented violence) and talks about shipping his spawn off to Israel to join the Israeli army. There they will get to murder thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians, avenging their daddy's broken nose, but that won't be "unprecedented violence". Thankfully for these Junior League Zionists, seeing their daddy's nose broken will harden them to the future sight of destroyed Palestinian hospitals and the corpses of dead Palestinian babies.
Oct. 10, 2014, 3:08 am
The Green Devil from Bensonhurst says:
I love how this guy gets punched in the nose and acts like it's the Holocaust ("this unprecedented violence) and talks about shipping his spawn off to Israel to join the Israeli army. There they will get to murder thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians, avenging their daddy's broken nose, but that won't be "unprecedented violence". Thankfully for these Junior League Zionists, seeing their daddy's nose broken will harden them to the future sight of destroyed Palestinian hospitals and the corpses of dead Palestinian babies.
Oct. 10, 2014, 3:09 am
The Green Devil from Bensonhurst says:
I love how this guy gets punched in the nose and acts like it's the Holocaust ("this unprecedented violence) and talks about shipping his spawn off to Israel to join the Israeli army. There they will get to murder thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians, avenging their daddy's broken nose, but that won't be "unprecedented violence". Thankfully for these Junior League Zionists, seeing their daddy's nose broken will harden them to the future sight of destroyed Palestinian hospitals and the corpses of dead Palestinian babies.
Oct. 10, 2014, 3:10 am
steve from downtown says:
Chooch, articulately written. Well done.
Green Devil, you're either very misinformed, or bigoted. Go to Gaza, enjoy.
Oct. 10, 2014, 4:11 am
Jay from Nyc says:
Again cooch this is brroklyn, not isreal, so your entire "argument" is totally irrelvant and is nothing more than stiring up raci
Oct. 10, 2014, 6:11 am
bkmanhatman from nubrucklyn says:
man I don't care. Just get the Shromin in the area to beat some heads...meh.
Oct. 10, 2014, 7:56 am
Local Resident from Prospect Hts says:
This is exactly what the neighborhood said would happen with this stupid arena. Ratner and his partners should be held responsible for all the havoc this thing has brought, and pay for the security instead of expecting the local police to act as their private army. You make a mess, you pay to clean it up.

And they want to bring the Democratic Convention here? Really? You can't even keep the peace at a basketball game, or with a bunch of kids last week!
Oct. 10, 2014, 8:32 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
HA! So now we have the slopeheads of Brooklyn actually mimicking the most fatuous hipster politics. Dude! If you think the Isreali army "murders innocent Palestinian civilians," then get yourself a tattoo and a goatee and join the drum circle in Union Square. Actually the Israeli army TELEPHONES homes and schools in Gaza in advance of a strike. Hamas embeds its operations among civilians, and openly applauds the "martyrdom" of its own civilians. Israel uses underground bunkers to protect its civilians. Hamas uses underground bunkers to store weapons.
Oct. 10, 2014, 12:07 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
For the record, I don't hate Muslims as a whole, just those that actually commit terrorist acts along with those that condone and harbor them. Unfortunately, there are not a good number of Muslims to call them out especially when so many of them either act silent or rush to their defense. I hope one day, there will be a large number of Palestinians that will rise up to both Hamas and Fatah and claim that terrorism isn't part of the solution but rather the problem and that peace is much better choice considering that terrorism got them nowhere. However, many of those who believe are in hiding because they are afraid that they will get killed if they ever do just like the 18 Palestinians that were killed by Hamas about a month ago just for the claim that they were collaborating with Israel. Also, many pro-Palestinian protesters I have seen and heard of are never calling for peace but for more terrorist attacks. It's sad that Pamela Gellar has been attacked for placing anti-terrorist ads for being called an Islamophobe when she was really just being against the terrorists hence the term anti-jihad. Another thing was that an Arab banker has been placed on trial that his bank was actually funding Hamas, which is illegal since it's against international law to harbor terrorists. Still, neither Maccabi Tel Aviv or the Friends of the IDF have anything to do with what just happened in the Gaza Strip, which shows that they will just hate anything that has the name Israel next to it. As for the IDF, they did set up field hospitals during the attacks to help the Palestinians, which for some reason they don't get any access to the hospital that they have in the Gaza Strip in that Hamas uses it more as their military base, and only their members get any medical treatment while the rest is left out, plus many Israeli hospitals have treated Palestinians over the years and free of charge as well. Overall, I could never understand why pro-Palestinians (aka pro-terrorists) are crying foul about attacks that their favorite terrorist group started by firing a bunch of qassam rockets at innocent Israeli civilians that lead to all of that.
Oct. 10, 2014, 2:56 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Good to know you are on pamela geller's side Tal, especially as Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps. She has taken a strong pro-Israel stance to the point of being sharply critical of Jewish liberals, and my source for that is directly from the Southern Poverty Law Center who monitors hate groups like the Klan. Now I guess we know what you are rally about Tal, or are you just ignorant of these things Tal?
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Oh and Tal, apparently you were not paying attention to much of anything, as a MUSLIM just won the Noble peace prize TODAY.
As for why you can't understand why Palestine is P****ed off at Israel, its because they had their land that they were living on taken form them and never been financially compensated for it at fair market value, been forced onto land that is not capable of supporting the population, does not have water, have been deprived of all their rights, are under a blockade and have more of their land taken illegally with expanding settlements and are completely shut out of the political process. The fact that you don't get that also speaks to what you are Tal.
Enough with this two state crap, one state for all with equal voting rights for all of them.
In the meantime, instead of arguing about a stupid country overseas that lives off of USA welfare, lets focus on the actual incident that is the subject of this article which occurred in BROOKLYN NY, USA.
Oct. 10, 2014, 5:54 pm
JAY from NYC says:
here is some more on your hero Pameal Geller Tal.

Geller has promulgated some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories found on the extreme right, including claims that President Obama is the love child of Malcolm X, that Obama was once involved with a "crack whore," that his birth certificate is a forgery, that his late mother posed nude for pornographic photos, and that he was a Muslim in his youth who never renounced Islam. She has described Obama as beholden to his "Islamic overlords" and said that he wants jihad to be victorious in America. In April 2011, Geller accused Obama of withholding evidence in the then-upcoming trial of accused Fort Hood mass murderer Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

Geller uses her website to publish her most revolting insults of Muslims: She posted (and later removed) a video implying that Muslims practiced bestiality with goats and a cartoon depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammad with a pig's face (observant Muslims do not eat pork). Geller also has denied the genocide of Bosnian Muslims by Serbian forces in Srebrenica – calling it the "Srebrenica Genocide Myth," even though the Serbian government itself issued a state apology for the massacre. She wrote, "Westerners are admitting to their role in something that didn't happen, and digging their own graves."

Geller will ally with virtually any individual or movement that expresses stridently anti-Muslim sentiments, no matter how otherwise repugnant. As a result, she has frequently rubbed shoulders with elements of white radicalism. In 2009, Geller was invited to address the German far-right organization Pro Köln [Cologne], described as a successor group to the neo-fascist German League for People and Homeland. Pro Köln at the time was under investigation by the German authorities because of its defamation of foreigners and suspected violations of "human dignity." As of early 2011, Pro Köln was officially deemed a right-wing extremist group by the German authorities.

Geller is an enthusiastic fan of Dutch anti-Muslim extremist Geert Wilders. He was charged in 2009 with hate-incitement in the Netherlands, but not convicted. She invited Wilders to speak at the June 2010 "Ground Zero Mosque" rally. In June 2010, Geller spoke at an event in Paris put on by the Bloc Identitaire, which opposes race-mixing and "Islamic imperialism."

Geller invited the notorious British anti-Muslim group English Defence League (EDL) to her September 2010 anti-mosque rally in New York. The previous May, a report by the British newspaper The Guardian revealed the EDL as thugs who hold anti-Muslim protests intended to provoke violence. Because of its racism and history, the EDL's leader, Tommy Robinson, was denied entry at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York and sent back to England.

Yet Geller described the EDL in May 2010 as "courageous English patriots" when the group mobilized popular anger to oppose the construction of a mosque in the town of Dudley, near Birmingham, England. "There is nothing racist, fascist, or bigoted about the EDL," she wrote. In February 2010, she wrote in her blog, "I share the E.D.L.'s goals. We need to encourage rational, reasonable groups that oppose the Islamisation of the West."

In February 2011, she spoke favorably of Soviet leader Josef Stalin's forced relocation and genocide of Chechen Muslims after World War II, arguing – wrongly – that they were allied with Adolf Hitler. Historians say Chechens were fighting to preserve their own freedom and culture.

Geller's incendiary rhetoric and readiness to deny civil freedoms and the presumption of innocence to Muslims hasn't prevented her from gaining a measure of mainstream acceptability. In late March 2011, she was even invited by the Alaska House of Representatives to testify on a proposed anti-Shariah bill.

Geller's anti-Muslim stance has also drawn the admiration of white nationalist and even neo-Nazi proponents on the extreme right – a rather remarkable feat, considering she is Jewish. She has been the subject of positive postings on racist websites such as Stormfront, VDARE, American Renaissance and the neo-Confederate League of the South.

Geller was one of several prominent anti-Muslim activists cited by the Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik in the manifesto he posted online hours before killing 77 of his countrymen, mostly teenagers, at a left-wing youth camp in August 2011. In the wake of the attack, Geller downplayed the influence of her views on Breivik, making much of the fact that his screed had only mentioned her by name once. This conveniently ignored the manifesto’s dozen citations of her blog and 64 mentions of her SIOA partner, Robert Spencer. At the same time, Geller couldn’t help displaying some sympathy for Breivik’s actions against the young multiculturalists. “Breivik,” she wrote, “was targeting the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims.”

Despite Geller’s willingness to publish outright lies (such as her baseless theories about President Barack Obama) and align herself with European racists and fascists, she likes to present herself as the voice of reason, unfairly tarred as an extremist. In an October 2011 appearance, she told an audience that she is only “painted as a racist, Islamophobic, anti-Muslim bigot” because her enemies want to silence her. “You’re demonized, you’re marginalized, and you’re rated radioactive,” she complained.

In January 2012, Geller formed Stop the Islamization of Nations (SION), a new international organization, with herself as executive director. SION joins SIOA with the European anti-Muslim group that inspired it, Anders Gravers’ Denmark-based Stop the Islamization of Europe (SIOE). The new organization intends to create a “common American/European coalition of free people” to oppose the advance of Islamic law.” It will also publicize the names of politicians, activists and others who promote the alleged Islamic agenda in the West.

Geller, however, found herself meeting resistance not just from the supposed “leftist, Islamic alliance” and the “complicit and dangerous” media she detests. In February 2012, she had to fight to get a spot at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington, D.C., presumably because she had become an embarrassment. Infuriated and defiant, she said that CPAC’s “puppet-master” leaders had “abandoned conservative principles,” while ignoring the threat posed by Islamic extremism. And in June, the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles, bowing to a growing chorus of criticism, canceled a planned lecture by Geller just hours before it was to be delivered. Geller reacted to this new slight by making references to the Holocaust: “Jewish leadership is on the trains and thinks we will go quietly.”
Oct. 10, 2014, 5:58 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I find a lot of what you said about Geller to either be false or taken out of context. Since when is placing a banner that calls for the end of terrorism being against a whole group? The only way that can be true is if that said group actually does support terrorism of their own kind. There was a group that tried to take her to court known as CAIR, but they decided not to especially when she can easily expose them for who they are. Meanwhile, most of the Palestinians don't support Hamas, but they remain silent because they don't want to get killed by them. As for that so-called land grab by the Jews in 1948, that was found to be false countless times over, but people like you continue to ride that myth, and the only land they actually took was the land they originally had in the partition along with what they won after wining a war your Arab buddies started in the first place, and the same went with what was won in the Six Day War. How about the US gives back what was taken from Mexico during the Mexican War or from Spain during the Spanish-American War if you believe that taking away land from others is so wrong? Better yet, give whatever property you back to the Native Americans. because they were there long before Europeans even knew about the Americas. More importantly, understand that the last attacks on the Gaza Strip only happened after you Hamas, your favorite terrorists, launched a barrage of qassam rockets, which was the same thing that launched such operations in both 2008 and 2012. Try looking at the causes rather than the effects for once. Getting to the protests, that rabbi didn't snatch anything from those pro-terrorist supporters, someone else did. Either way, that didn't mean that he deserved to be punched in the face, and this is going to be seen as an assault whether or not this is a hate crime.
Oct. 10, 2014, 7:48 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Well said, Tal.
Oct. 10, 2014, 10:07 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
The memorable line is that Islamopbobia is a word invented by fascists, and used by liberals, to manipulate morons. The fact is that Islam has a fundamentalist problem far in excess of that of any other religion on earth. And this is not a fringe problem. Appreciable majorities in Muslim countries around the world, in poll after poll, support things like the death penalty for heresy or other offenses to Islam. And the millions of reasonable and peace loving Muslims that useful idiots like Ben Afleck keep telling us about, have been remarkably tepid about resisting what is patently a worldwide surge in Islamic fascism. The fact that some bozo at a basketball game can just skullcock someone like this, is a testament to the reach and virulence of this hysteria.
Oct. 10, 2014, 11:56 pm
Jay from Nyc says:
Well Tal anytjing you disagree with you "find false" the info on geller js from tje SLPC websjte, word for word and all they do is monitor hate groups, they are basically THE authority on sucj matters so much so that the fbi consults with them so if I have a choice to belive an organzation that is dedjcates to ending ravism which the fni relays on or you Tal its a pretty obvious choice.
Second people lived on the land before Isreal was onvented and werekicked off that land and have never been compensated and that is a fact. In additiom Isreal contuines to expand illegal settlments taking more land third, yes the us took land in war,as far as the indiams go there is pretty much no one ledt to give the land back to ut at rkot your argument is that because the u.s. did something wroing a 150 years ago thay serves as the bais for Isreal doing wrong nkw and doing wrong everyday. Your argument is the same argument china uses to justify jts illegal occupation of Tibet, and its crap
Oct. 11, 2014, 5:45 am
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Where is the outrage over the land you are living on that was stolen from the American Indians?
Oct. 11, 2014, 8:30 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Jaysus Jay, will you learn to spell. And your intellect is a mess. Jewish people have been settling in the Levant since the 1870s. And that's just the modern era. There is also an ancient history of Jewry in the region. The 1870s Jay. This is the time of the Indian Wars on the Great Plains of North America. This is when Europeans settled land belonging to the Indians. So let me ask you, Jay, where is the ancient Eiropean history in the land of the Lakota? Or for that matter, where is the ancient Muslim culture in India before 700 AD? But I don't expect you to know these things. You should just get yourself a tattoo and a goatee and join the drum circle in Union Square.
Oct. 11, 2014, 8:51 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Sorry, European is the correct spelling. And of course, to qualify, there is no Muslm "culture" or history prior to about 600 AD. But you get my drift. IF we are judging a peoples' right to their land by the measure of an historical claim to it --- and this is already a dubious measure and a specious judgment --- but IF that's the game you want to play with Judaism in Israel, you will lose.
Oct. 11, 2014, 8:58 am
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Sorry, "Muslim"
Oct. 11, 2014, 8:58 am
old time brooklyn from slope says:
well said chooch (as obnoxious as you can be)

Jay - are you giving up your space to the Lakota - nawww didn't think so - keep those standards high and double. Israel - the only nation not allowed to defend itself.
Oct. 11, 2014, 2:59 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, since when is calling out Islamic terrorists being against Muslims as a whole? All she said in those ads was to put an end to that, but I guess they do condone terrorism. A lot of what you say about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict seems to be said by a revisionist of some sort. BTW, you can you ever prove to me that Palestine was ever a nation of its own prior to the Israeli War of Independence? What was their government like or even their currency let alone their capitol? Let's not forget that Judaism predates Islam by at least a millennium, and it's the Old Testament that says that Jerusalem is the holy city for the Jews while the Koran never says this for the Muslims, but states Mecca countless times. Another thing is that it's Jews who face Jerusalem when praying whereas the Muslims face Mecca, which shows who it's really a holy city to. Before you bring up the Dome of the Rock as claiming where Mohammed rose to heaven, historians have found no evidence or traces the he even reached it especially when most Muslims didn't even cross the Jordan River until long after his death making that place only a victory Mosque, but there is evidence that it was built on the Temple Mount, which is a holy site to the Jews where Abraham was going to sacrifice Issac. More importantly, Jerusalem wasn't even a provincial capitol when the entire land was being colonized between the Romans and British. Overall, the so-called Palestinians may have lived there for some time, but they never were a nation of their own prior to the independence of Israel. As a matter of fact there were also Jews who lived there for centuries known as the mizrachi as well as throughout the region especially if you saw the documentary, The Forgotten Refugees. If a right to return should exist for the Palestinians, who really left on their own at the time of the Israeli War of Independence, then how about for the Jews who were really kicked out of the rest of the Mid East and left for Israel due to persecution? Then again, some or just have too much of an anti-Israel bias to answer that.
Oct. 11, 2014, 4:46 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Interesting points, Tal, some of which I agree with, some of which I do not. Almost all of which, unfortunately, fall time and again on willfully deaf anti-Semitic ears.

I think old time brooklyn from slope nails it in a way that cannot be ignored. Namely, what right does Jay have to live on Indian land here in North America? Is he an American Indian? Does he have an ancient connection to America that predates the European conquest? No, he's a knee-jerking flunky for the jihad who should grow a goatee and get a tattoo and join the drum circle in Union Square.
Oct. 11, 2014, 8:25 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
Let's not forget the Brit occupation of Northern Ireland.
Oct. 12, 2014, 9:22 am
Bill from Forest HIlls says:
Place "Jewish Voice For Peace" and all the other organizations which were responsible for this attack on the list of hate organizations. They should not be allowed to protest at Israel or Jewish events as they are hate organizations.
Oct. 12, 2014, 3:01 pm
Bill from Forest HIlls says:
"Jewish Voice for Peace" which is organized this hate rally against a basketball team from Israel and is responsible for this hate crime is the same organization which used gestapo tactics to deceit to bully their way into the Friends of IDF offices and engage in hate crimes. This group needs to be investigated and placed on the hate crimes list. They are not "voices for peace"
Oct. 12, 2014, 3:09 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Chooch, there will always those that will continue to ride the myths aimed at Israel no matter how many times they have been debunked. Some even try to deny the fact that Hamas wants to kill them and even make that clear in their own charter. BTW, Hamas isn't just against Israeli Jews, they are against all Jews and will make sure that every last one of them is gone. A number of their sympathizers or apologists actually act as if Hamas has halos and can't do any wrong. Even worse, a group known as the Boycott Divistment Sanctions or BDS always continues for boycotts on Israel even though their claims are baseless and that they act silent on countries that do far worse crimes than what Israel does. Fortunately, many of their attempts have failed, because most saw through those ideas. I just hope that the academic boycott on Israel fails at CCNY, though it probably will. Still I don't understand why those pro-Palestinian groups were protesting Maccabi Tel Aviv when they were playing exhibition games against both the Cavs and the Nets when they had absolutely nothing to do with what's going on there. The same thing when being aimed at the Friends of the IDF especially when they aren't associated with the actually military. As for Bill, I do agree on that, and many pro-Palestinian groups that I know of almost never advocate for peace, but rather call for more terrorist attacks especially if some of them is holding a sign reading death to all Jews or even in some cases a model of a qassam rockets for more to be launched. Let's not forget that every time Hamas agrees to a truce or cease-fire, they just use it as a chance to reload for more attacks in the near future rather than actually talk peace, which can just end it all right there.
Oct. 12, 2014, 8:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Just one other thing to get off my chest, the reason why I have been known to be very sensitive on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn't just because I was born in Israel, but also because I have family living there, and I hope that they don't get killed in the attacks by from what others call freedom fighters or the resistance movement even though that's not at all what Hamas is really doing for their goals.
Oct. 12, 2014, 8:59 pm
The Chooch from The Bohemian Magic Show says:
Agreed, Tal.
Oct. 13, 2014, 1:38 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I have asked many in the past proof to give the Israel shows apartheid, and many have either never answered back or sounded defensive. Where is this group when Hamas launches qassam rockets at innocent civilians? Why no outcry there. Perhaps a counter group should be formed with both Israelis and Palestinians to free Palestine from its real oppressors known as Hamas and Fatah, who run the autonomy there. On may claim that hating Israel is not being anti-Semetic, but I have heard many statements at Israel that happened to be anti-Semetic. This is like trying to deny that anyone who hates the WNBA is sexist despite the number of sexist remarks aimed at that league, and there are a lot of them, but that's besides the point. Let's not forget that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran, and Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, are known Holocaust deniers, plus Iran tends to host the annual Holocaust Deniers Convention. If that's not anti-Semetism, then I don't know what is. If you want real discrimination, go to the rest of the region especially in countries such as Iran and Saudia Arabia where Sharia Law is in their actual laws. Also, gays are much more welcome in Israel than anywhere else in the region, and if the Palestinians, know you are gay, they would kill you, while in Saudia Arabia, you would get beheaded for such. As for using the claim that Israel is much more oppressive because of the numbers, many tend to fail to see what really went on, and that is the fact that Hamas has a history of placing their own people into harm's way by either using them as human shields or by placing bases into densely populated areas, which makes for good PR moves. . Just saying that Palestine was an independent nation before the Israeli War of Independence alone is a total lie, because between the Romans and British, Palestine, which was actually given the name by the Romans, was never its own country but under a series of empires, so they never had their own country, and the closest was just a puppet government that was subordinate to that ruling empire. Another commonly repeated myth is the claim that Jerusalem is a holy city to the Muslims and that Mohammed rose to heaven there, when not only the Koran never stated that, but there was never any proof that Mohammed ever reached Jerusalem let alone left the Arabian Peninsula as historians have traced his routes. What really bothers me is that this group keeps shouting about how they claim Israel mistreats the Palestinians, but doesn't even speak about how their own autonomy in both the West Bank and Gaza Strip is doing that, not to mention always throwing them into harm's way. Keep in mind that a number of these group have a history of trying to fund Hamas through shadowy organizations like the International Solidarity Movement, who has not just been known for funding Hamas, but was also known for hiding some of the terrorists in their offices back in Israel. Last time I checked, aiding any terrorist groups is a crime against all international laws. Seriously, if there really are those who preach non-violence or happen to be moderate on this very conflict, then I would like to see them using it to stop Hamas from doing any further attacks where it should belong, otherwise they are nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing. As for the statement that I am just a rediculous clown, I take great issue with personal attacks, which I consider to be a hit way below the belt, and even below the likes of you, Ty. I am tired of the lazy arrogant bikers getting away with so many tax breaks making those drivers some struggling with a lower income pay more.
Nov. 26, 2014, 1:08 pm

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